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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: luckee on May 12, 2003, 10:26:45 AM
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Summary, 2 drivers/racers are being charged with the murder of 2 drivers/racers that were killed in a street race in San D. The 2 drivers are being held liable because they both new that racing on public streets was/is inherently dangerous. The prosecution wants to make an example out of the 2 on trial. In the past month, 16 people have been killed in San Diego alone in street racing accidents.
My thoughts: I think that if you die doing something illegal, its your own ****ing fault, you took a risk and lost. To blame it on somebody else is weak. The bottom line is the people that are now dead made a stupid decision.
Ok class. Discuss.
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Are you saying there were four cars involved? Or are two people in one car being charged with the deaths of two people in another car? Do you have a link to the story?
I don\'t think a murder charge will hold up, but maybe they might get \'em on manslaughter. You must admit that the other participants in the race contributed to the event. You can\'t have a race with only one car. I guess I\'m against charging or convicting them of murder because it would set a bad precedent.
Street racing goes on all the time, and unless the police are willing to enforce laws against racing MUCH more strictly, you can\'t start charging people with murder when something goes wrong. I don\'t want the police to start enforcing the laws more strictly like in Vancouver, so I\'m against this. It\'s like two people doing drugs together... What they were doing was illegal, so if one of them ODs, can you charge the other one with murder? I don\'t think so.
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Originally posted by luckee
My thoughts: I think that if you die doing something illegal, its your own ****ing fault, you took a risk and lost. To blame it on somebody else is weak. The bottom line is the people that are now dead made a stupid decision.
Ok class. Discuss.
problem is is that innocent people are being hit, not just the people racing are dieing. Why people just dont go to Qualcomm stadium where it is legal is dumb, but i guess they want the adrenaline rush er something.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
problem is is that innocent people are being hit, not just the people racing are dieing. Why people just dont go to Qualcomm stadium where it is legal is dumb, but i guess they want the adrenaline rush er something.
I am speaking specifically about this case, not one with different circumstances.
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If you hit someone and kill them, than yes, a murder charge is needed.
However, if you are at event, even if it\'s illegal and you got four people racing...One car crashes (with two people in it) and they both die. Whose fault is that? Not the other cars. Both was doin\' something highly illegal. The car that wrecked, knew of the risk and had willingly done the act.
I look at it like this. Say someone buys a gun...And then shoots themselves. Who is responsible? I say the person who shoot theirself.
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i think they should all be arrested for stupidity
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Agree\'d it\'s stupid and I see nothing wrong for gettin\' them for illegaly racing, however to come up with something like a murder charge is downright igornant.
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why not?
there were an accessory to murder
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I don\'t see how they killed the person. Granted, they was alll racing - but the it was by choice. The deceased was not forced to race. They choose to. Personal responsiblity goes along way, in my opinion.
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personal responsibility is the key, even though some responsible are dead.
I could understand if they killed innocent bystanders, but it\'s like myself and one of you sitting down to play russian roulette. Say you lose, should I be held responsible?
Hell, a kid down here 6-7 months ago was street racing and wrecked. Guess who the victim was that he killed. His mother. I dont even think he got hit with murder.
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The thought that you killed your mother, due to being a reckless teenager will haunt him for the rest of his life and rightfully so.
P.S - If anyone gets hit with a murder charge due to street racing, it should be someone who hits an innocent person, such as their mother.
*shakes head*
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my only prayer is that it kills the "street racing" fad
if i see one more stock honda CRX with tinted windows, stickers all over it, and a hole drilled in the exhaust pipe to make it sound like shit, i will vomit
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I would agree with you about street racing mm as I hate the cars that todays generation uses. The only problem with street racing is that it isn\'t a fad. This generation uses civics, and other asian cars - while my generation used Mustang GT\'s and IROC\'s. The generation before me used Chevelles, GTO\'s, Cameros, Mustangs, etc...
It is almost a part of growing up... I remember racing a guy in an IROC in a commercial park back in 86 and his buddies made the finish line right before a 90 degree left hand turn. I didn\'t know this until I was about 50 yards away. Since my 86 Mustang SVO didn\'t have ABS I started to pump my breaks and barely skidded around the turn - meanwhile the IROC goes sliding past me - all four tires streaming smoke and hits a 10 inch curb. The car stalled as he had hit the breaks so hard. Needless to say no damage to my car, but the IROC was screwed - 2 flat tires, missing front spoiler, air leaking out of one of the back tires and god knows what kind of suspension damage.
Luckily no one was hurt except for the IROC.
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Theirs nothing like watching 2 monstrous V8\'s racing eachother on a drag strip. :D
personally i love the speed and exhilaration of racing down a long and highway, but i\'ve only done this once and as a passenger with the highway almost entirely empty.
as for topic i dont think that the 2 guys should be blamed for the death of the others, when someone does something as reckless as race on street roads and then end up killing themselves the only one to blame is that person alone.
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how?
would they have been racing if there wasnt a car next to them?
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Take it to the track as they say. I agree with mm, get them on stupidity.
I can\'t tell you how many times I have some dude in a fast and the furious car clone rev his engine next to me at a light. I just let them go. My life and the life of the people I could kill is far more important than bragging rights.
Ace
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Here is the article: http://www.courttv.com/trials/dragrace/background_ctv.html
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Originally posted by luckee
I am speaking specifically about this case, not one with different circumstances.
according to the article there was an innocent driver killed. but i agree that the kid that died drag racing had personal reponsibility over his death