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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: FifaSeriesFan on May 15, 2003, 02:10:25 AM
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I\'ve just got Enter The Matrix for PS2 yesterday and I\'ve been playing it thoroughly and I gotta say one thing - WOW!
Larry and Andy Wachowski have really worked hard on this game and it shows right from the moment you boot up your machine right up to the moment you snap a guys neck or wall kick a SWAT team member.
The Focus bar as you all know,slows time down and enables you to dodge bullets,run faster,jump higher and makes the moves look even cooler!
I\'m currently halfway through this game as Niobe.
Enter The Matrix is massive!
You have to own this game cause you\'d have to be insane not to.
The only criticism is that it can get repetitive,but you forget that cause no matter how much you see the moves,they are still cooler than a polar bear on an iceberg in the north pole.
I haven\'t piloted the Nebucadezzar yet but I have been on one driving mission and it\'s very remenisent of Driver and the driving missions on Agent Under Fire and Nightfire.
The Hacking system looks great,and it can get tedious,but underneath all the glamour it\'s just a fancy cheat system.
although I haven\'t found out how to unlock the new moves yet.
The different weapons are great as they are great when used in different situations or some are better used in certain places than others.
The start of the game sees you being introduced to the games main Characters Niobe, Ghost and Sparks (Niobe and Ghost\'s technician) then as you progress further you meet new characters like "The Key" and Persephone etc
Overall this game has a great soundtrack, a fantastic control system which is easy to use, although you can get confused when in a difficult situation.
I\'d give it 9/10 because although it\'s a game that everybody should own,it has it\'s niggles here and there but you don\'t care cause it\'s just so cool and fun to play.
Graphics 10/10
Sound 9/10
Longevity 9/10
Gameplay 9/10
Coolness factor (hey it\'s The Matrix remember?) 10/10
Overall - 90%
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perhaps it\'s just me, but i found it quite boring
like i was "playing a movie"
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Originally posted by mm
perhaps it\'s just me, but i found it quite boring
like i was "playing a movie"
well you were cause it syncs in with The Matrix Reloaded.
but I know what you mean.The thing is,because The Matrix is such a cool movie and a great licence,the video game had to live up to fans of the movies expectations and voila!here we have an ass kicking,bullet dodging,neck breaking game which looks and plays great.
Shame you couldn\'t be Neo or Trinity though.
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ummm, perhaps i should mention i thought the matrix was pompous filmmaking at it\'s finest
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Originally posted by mm
ummm, perhaps i should mention i thought the matrix was pompous filmmaking at it\'s finest
The Film(s) are also, Special effects whoes......
if it wasn\'t for Bullet time and the nice shoot out at the end of the 1st film... it would suck monkey nuts !.
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Originally posted by ooseven
The Film(s) are also, Special effects whoes......
if it wasn\'t for Bullet time and the nice shoot out at the end of the 1st film... it would suck monkey nuts !.
No it wouldnt.Personally I would have liked it even without the bullet time
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Which version is supposedely better, PS2 or XBOX?
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the PC version
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The game looks like crap. (graphics)
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Originally posted by Unicron!
No it wouldnt.Personally I would have liked it even without the bullet time
Ditto. I really love the story behind all of it and it just gets deeper. I really thought i was going to be let down by reloaded but i was in awe towards the end. Seeing the movie made me want the game even more and it seems that the game was taken quite seriously from what i have heard, wich is great. It is true that the matrix has tons of CG etc. but the actors really had to do some training. I do enjoy the CG but i dont need it to like it.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
The game looks like crap. (graphics)
the Matrix parts look superb (i was supprised at the speed and Frame rate of it)
Driving sections look like a cheap version of Driver... might be good though.
And the Nebucadezzar sections look like a cheap version of the death star escape in Rouge Squadron 2 for the Nintendo Game Cube… but without the excitement or flash graphics.
in short the non matrix parts are just to brake up the game a little and should effect the over all score of the game.
but still the chance to play the matrix part might make this a good buy, Esp the drop kicking a swat member and grabbing his shotgun and then blasting him with it ability looks nice.
Strange i am far more excited at the thought of playing the game than watching the film... i must be odd :(.
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I just got the game today and it is not bad at all. Just got to drive the car for the first time. Bullet time is good when you bounce off walls while kicking someones head in. :D
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Originally posted by ooseven
Strange i am far more excited at the thought of playing the game than watching the film... i must be odd :(.
Yes i think you are quite odd. ;). A friend of mine got the game today and hes not going to let me crack it open to play till he sees the movie. We are going to see it tonight and play the game after. This will be my second time seeing it but it should still be great.
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well, i played thru a few levels this afternoon
i would have given Oni better rankings than this
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Well post why mr.negative...
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Originally posted by mm
well, i played thru a few levels this afternoon
i would have given Oni better rankings than this
You have got to be kidding? ONI!? :laughing: Thats pretty harsh.
I played it and i love the fighting system. Kicking an agent\'s ass is just bliss. I bagged 2 of them in the game so far. Im playing as both ghost and niobe and im a little further with niobe. For some odd reason i like her a tad bit more. Plus i like driving the vehichles. The game though moves a bit faster than i expected and it looks like its in x2 mode or something. Anyway the bullet time rules and doing a cartwheel wile shooting or running on walls and then blasting a swat guy and then droping another. Sweet. The game at times looks pretty decent but on other occations looks really nasty. They say they incorperated good cameras etc. but its just ok. The fighting is what keeps me playing, and it does a damn good job.
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mm is right... this game sucks... I had the PC version and traded it in for GTA Vice City PC version. The graphics aren\'t that good, the camera sucks, the driving part sucks...
Are you sure you guys aren\'t buying into the hype on this? It really is quite bad... I rank it up there with Blade 2 in stinkiness.
About the only good thing is the "extra" hour of movie content. :(
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
mm is right... this game sucks... I had the PC version and traded it in for GTA Vice City PC version. The graphics aren\'t that good, the camera sucks, the driving part sucks...
Are you sure you guys aren\'t buying into the hype on this? It really is quite bad... I rank it up there with Blade 2 in stinkiness.
About the only good thing is the "extra" hour of movie content. :(
Nope no hype for me. I didnt even buy it. My friend has it and to me i think it is alright. The graphics are not good but i could care less. Doesnt really matter
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I\'m gonna have to check this out for myself. Some people say it\'s good and some say it\'s total crap :confused:
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I have found a bug in the game yesterday, I somehow got stuck and the character was running on the spot and wouldn\'t move. I had to reload the level.:(
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When you play Ghost, I found that Naomi can\'t drive worth a crap LOL. She hit everything from other cars to walls and then finally managed to get stuck underneath an overpass. I had to reload a level as well. To me it seems the game was unfinished.
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Originally posted by ooseven
The Film(s) are also, Special effects whoes......
if it wasn\'t for Bullet time and the nice shoot out at the end of the 1st film... it would suck monkey nuts !.
LMAO
well I\'ll admit the special effects are awesome, and I love special effects in movies !!!
but the storyline and the premise of the game is genius !!!!. I find the plot, the setting and the back story to the Matrix to be one of the greatest !!
We all have opinions and tastes but the Matrix is top notch in my book
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I find the plot, the setting and the back story to the Matrix to be one of the greatest !!
what a pity, i guess you\'ve never seen metropolis, or tron, or one of the dozens of movies that the matrix ripped off
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Tron?You said TRON?The only common thing the Matrix has with Tron is that a couble of humans got themselves transfered into a computer.
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oh no, you seemed to have missed a great deal (or never saw tron)
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Originally posted by ddaryl
LMAO
well I\'ll admit the special effects are awesome, and I love special effects in movies !!!
but the storyline and the premise of the game is genius !!!!. I find the plot, the setting and the back story to the Matrix to be one of the greatest !!
We all have opinions and tastes but the Matrix is top notch in my book
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i find it repulsive that you guys think the matrix has such a great plot, and backstory.
fritz lang would vomit if he had to sit thru the matrix reloaded
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Originally posted by mm
oh no, you seemed to have missed a great deal (or never saw tron)
I saw it.Could you please tell me what was so deep about it?
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deep?
you\'re the one saying matirix didnt borrow any ideas from tron, or any other film. allow me to waste 5 minutes of my time....
agent smith?
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spacefire.com%2Ftron%2Fpics%2Fsarg.jpg&hash=6b81eda471d6a8730e6d3f6f7645cd72e184e3c0)
the sentinels?
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tron-movie.com%2Fproduction%2FRecognizer%2FMagi%25206.jpg&hash=a9f96eeaeb73af4eb7c152708b48b43ef6d6d894)
the oracle?
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tron-movie.com%2Fproduction%2FDumont%2FPeter%2520Lloyd%25203.jpg&hash=b8f73219542fac6b6b6dc4122b7e48ff1d242d31)
neo and trinity?
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tron-movie.com%2Fcards%2F47.jpg&hash=a39c25808725e090fc485375124e865927289c46)
the "training program"?
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spacefire.com%2Ftron%2Fpics%2FDiscsOfTron.JPG&hash=8ac40e8e10f8df4799be8365771445699f3a6355)
how about the motorcycles?
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gerf.org%2F%7Enixon%2FTron1.jpg&hash=5ff9d6a04cbd2ff430046c65d95a88dfa437451b)
lemme know if you need any more "deep" comparisons
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The Matrix is a good film, mm, no matter what you may think of it.
I am a follower of the belief that an average of over 1000 votes or more (from a score out of 10, or something similar) is the truth:
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0133093
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Deep comparisons?Thats the surface.You can make comparisons with other movies as well,Darth Vader anyone(every movie should have a main bad guy)?Luke and Princess Leia(whatever)(almost every movie must have a main good guy and main good gal)?Joyda or Obi Wan(how many movies have a wise old man that predicts someones destiny: oracle)??What about the last Star wars of the first trilogy:the return of the jedi(the part with those anti cravity motorcycle-like vehicles??
Perhaps Star Wars is a rip off of Tron or the opposite?
The Matrix is the movie that sets one thinking, its got philosophy,, similitudes with ancient mythology, questions of everyday life, our consious and our existence etc.
It also brings back the thought of:God creates human. human betrays God, Human creates machine, machine betrays human and rules over humanity.
No its not just a movie with great effects that has a few similarities with a few other movies.
Plot isnt just the peripheral general looks of a movie.
If it wasnt for the deep plot thats when it could have been a somewhat rip off of Tron.
Perhaps u watch a movie just for its effects?
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Perhaps Star Wars is a rip off of Tron or the opposite?
actually, since you mentioned it, star wars is a rip-off of a film called "hidden fortress" by akira kurosawa. watch it, you might tear yerself away from what hollywood and MTV feed you for a few hours
how on earth can you put "matrix" and "deep plot" in the same sentence?
please do not speak to me about how i watch my cinema, it\'s disgusting
echo, yer gonna take the opinions of a large group of pre-teenagers that post thier favorite film on a web site? please.....
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Originally posted by mm
echo, yer gonna take the opinions of a large group of *edit*people*edit* that post thier favorite film on a web site? please.....
Yes, I am. It\'s an average, both from idiots who rate films far too low, idiots who rate films far too high, and smart people who rate films as they should. An average of that = how good the film really is.
And The Matrix received 89887 votes. An average of that is very accurate.
It\'s a good site and it\'s accurate in almost all cases.
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the matrix is an incredibly popular film for various reasons, cimema mastery is certainly not one of them
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Originally posted by mm
the matrix is an incredibly popular film for various reasons, cimema mastery is certainly not one of them
Your opinion = Matrix is not cinema mastery
The majority of opinion = Matrix is cinema mastery
Conclusion:
You and those who think the same as you lose. :D
It\'s a simple fact: The general concensus is that The Matrix is a very good film, for many reasons. It\'s got amazing action sequences, cool effects, a good story and a deep meaning behind it. You may not see this, but most people do.
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sigh.... it really is no use to argue good cinema with people who have little idea. the majority of people who go to the 300 movie cineplex have NO idea that films existed before star wars and indiana jones
honestly, look at the Wachowski brothers past work. Bound? Assassins? some impressive work there :rolleyes:
"the matrix has you" is thier slogan. should be "the matrix has your creative thought and expectations". sad to see you fell for it
it saddens me that you guys probably have no idea who Fritz Lang was...or Werner Herzog...or Ingmar Bergman....or Toshiro Mifune...etc
seems like if DMX, or Jet Lee, or Keanu Reeves, or Vin Deisel, or Ben Affect isn\'t in it, people couldnt be bothered. and god forbid a film contains subtitles! :eek:
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Look what you guys did, got mm all worked up.
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Originally posted by mm
sigh.... it really is no use to argue good cinema with people who have little idea. the majority of people who go to the 300 movie cineplex have NO idea that films existed before star wars and indiana jones
honestly, look at the Wachowski brothers past work. Bound? Assassins? some impressive work there :rolleyes:
"the matrix has you" is thier slogan. should be "the matrix has your creative thought and expectations". sad to see you fell for it
it saddens me that you guys probably have no idea who Fritz Lang was...or Werner Herzog...or Ingmar Bergman....or Toshiro Mifune...etc
seems like if DMX, or Jet Lee, or Keanu Reeves, or Vin Deisel, or Ben Affect isn\'t in it, people couldnt be bothered. and god forbid a film contains subtitles! :eek:
So you\'re saying you\'re one of few who sees The Matrix in its true light? The majority of people are too stupid to see that Matrix isn\'t that good? A bit high and mighty, don\'t you think? You\'re right, they\'re not....
I can\'t turn you, you can\'t turn me. We have different OPINIONS on this film, let\'s just leave it at that.
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high and mighty?
nope, a film culture afficianado is what i am
again, i\'m sorry you can\'t recognize good cinema. really, i am
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Ok fellas. Having seen films like tron and the likes i can tell you truthfully that the matrix is definately not 100 % original and they even admit to having such influences. This is obvious. Its just like video games. One cannot create the most original piece of gold out of thin air. As all of us film folks know today there arent too many original films or ones that are exceptionally good. The Matrix, in MY OPINION, is a pretty good revival. Does it do the best job? Probably not, but the fact is that it has multiple original aspects and some people like it and some people dont. It is not a comlete rip off and its not the greatest film you will ever see, but opinions are opinions and thats the bottom line.
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good enough for me
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Hey now, Bound was pretty damn good ;)
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Thank God someone else like\'s \'The Hidden Fortress\' around here also. Tho\', I prefer Seven Samurai.
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The Bottom line is,is that no matter how much The Matrix rips off any genre or style of fighting etc it does it well.
I wouldn\'t complain if I was Andy or Larry cause the money is just rolling in.
I guess The Animatrix is gonna get slagged off for being a wannabe Final Fantasy:The Spirits Within is it?
I\'ve finished and swapped the game now anyway and I enjoyed it so the fact of the matter is,is everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I\'ve seen Assassins and Bound and I gotta say Gina Gershon was great in Bound,and stood out for me.
The Matrix doesn\'t have a huge deep and meaningful storyline but it makes you think and then it hits you with some action,which I enjoy.
DMX? Nope, stick to your music and Def Jam Vendetta.
Jet Lee? He\'s cool,but he\'s not exactly an all round great actor.
Keanu Reeves? He\'s a good actor but his voice is too quiet and before anybody says anything,I liked most of his work before The Matrix.
Vin Diesel? Great in Knockaround Guys,but still has an accent like he has testicles stuck in his throat.
Ben Affleck? Superb in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back,both as Holden McNeill AND as himself at the end. He\'s slowly getting better.
Anyway,no pun intended,but I\'m gonna stick by my guns and even if I do get slagged off,I gotta say that The Matrix is great filmmaking and Joel Silver has redeemed himself with this trilogy.
Anybody who wants to slag off the game,then go back to playing Max Payne if you don\'t like it.
I personally thought it was groundbreaking and took fighting and shooting to a new level.
The driving was just another driving game,and piloting the Logo was nothing special,but overall,even if you stripped it of all it\'s hype it would still be one of the best games this year.
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Originally posted by Echo
Yes, I am. It\'s an average, both from idiots who rate films far too low, idiots who rate films far too high, and smart people who rate films as they should. An average of that = how good the film really is.
And The Matrix received 89887 votes. An average of that is very accurate.
It\'s a good site and it\'s accurate in almost all cases.
~:laughing:~
Could it be that most of them votes are from fans who vote more than once, online polls are not a clear indication of anything substantial.
in other words internet polls are as reliable as a United States Presidential election in Florida.
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Hey now, Bound was pretty damn good
actually, only about 12-15 seconds of bound was any good
you know the scene :P
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True mm... still worth seeing Jennifer Tilly and Gina Gershon together ;)
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Movies rip of movies... Who cares, it\'s been done sense the start of film time. Tron most likely ripped of something else. Blade Runner seems to get ripped off quite a bit. It doesn\'t matter...
The effect labelled "Matrix effect" was in the movie "Lost in space" as the effect for when they go to hyperspace or whatever the hell it\'s called before matrix was released. It was probably in another movie before then too. It will always be this way.
It\'s hard to do what\'s already been done before.
I personally liked the second matrix better (mainly for the MA) but scenes were drawn out to long. Which got tiresome, I\'ve seen the first matrix so many times it now bores me.
The game i\'ll be getting tomorrow hopefully. I\'ll give my opinions on it after i\'ve played (completed) it.
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Blade Runner seems to get ripped off quite a bit.
Ridley Scott would kick yer ass for that
blade runner is THE epitome of sci fi cinema
do androids dream of electric sheep?
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I think you failed to get my point...
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I hate the fact that in films like Deuce Bigalow,Scary Movie,Charlies Angels,Kung Pow and Shrek that they have to take the piss out of the bullet time effect...it was funny at first but not now.thats why Larry and Andy have decided to do things in this movie that can\'t be copied.
The Matrix = Blade Runner Clone...err...NO I\'m afraid it isn\'t.
The Matrix = Successful Action Kung Fu Movie...YES
Why does eveyone think The Matrix is aimed at The MTV Generation?
I like good movies...and I like The Matrix for it\'s complex storyline and great fight scenes...plus Laurence Fishburne really does stand out as Morpheus.
It\'s like for example, I love Peter Jackson\'s early stuff, 20 years before The Rings trilogy.
all you guys can sit behind your pcs and slag off and compare The Matrix to every sci-fi movie going,but it doesn\'t change the fact that for every 100 of you who DO slag it off,there\'s 200 who will love it.
I loved watching The Matrix,and the bullet time or special effects just made it better.
So please stop saying they MAKE the film,because it does have a decent plot behind it.
If you don\'t like it then don\'t watch it.
I for one,believe it will go down in history,not just for it\'s success,but because Larry and Andy Wachowski have really pushed it beyond the limits,considering they weren\'t your Ridley Scott or Steven Spielberg prior to The Matrix.
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Originally posted by FifaSeriesFan
The Matrix = Blade Runner Clone...err...NO I\'m afraid it isn\'t..
Yeah your right its a rip-off of Red Dwarfs "Better than Life"
Better than Life >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Matrix
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fifaseriesfan, so yer a fan of bad cinema eh?
it\'s ok, the matrix was targeted at people like you
please enlighten us on what the wachowki brothers did that was so groundbreaking
lemme ask you this...was the blair witch project such a success because of film techniques and special effects or was it just HYPE
are you familiar with the phrase "pop culture"?
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Originally posted by mm
fifaseriesfan, so yer a fan of bad cinema eh?
it\'s ok, the matrix was targeted at people like you
please enlighten us on what the wachowki brothers did that was so groundbreaking
lemme ask you this...was the blair witch project such a success because of film techniques and special effects or was it just HYPE
are you familiar with the phrase "pop culture"?
Before I watched the Matrix I knew almost nothing about the movie.The only thing I knew about the movie was some original effects I happened to watch accidentally from a movie program.
So no way I was affected by any form of hype.Actually I began hyping the movie to my friends after I watched it because I liked it so much.:rolleyes:
And it was the plot.The effects, fighting scenes of the movie and the general idea of humans ruled by machine etc arent enough to make me like a movie.Because it wasnt just that.These were there just to spice it up and add style as well to create a motive for the plot.
Sorry if the only thing you experienced from the movie was the surface of the plot.
BTW: You like playing the prescient arent u?:)
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humans ruled by machines?! what a novel idea! :eek:
prescient? not really
i\'m just an advocate for good cinema this time,and neither of the matrix films fits that bill
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Originally posted by mm
humans ruled by machines?! what a novel idea! :eek:
prescient? not really
i\'m just an advocate for good cinema this time,and neither of the matrix films fits that bill
As I said earlier this was to create a motive for the plot :mad:
You are the most stubborn person I ve ever met you know that:)?(and most surely many members of the forum):D
Perhaps good cinema is according to ur personal tastes.Oh well mine and others\' opinion doesnt count then:D
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plain and simple, the matrix is pop culture
consider me, in all things, the anti-pop
it\'s not that yer opinion doesn\'t count, it\'s just misguided
go watch blade runner and tell me it wasn\'t a better film
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Bladerunner is a great film, way head of it\'s time. It was a flop at the cinema when it was first released too.
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Originally posted by mm
plain and simple, the matrix is pop culture
consider me, in all things, the anti-pop
it\'s not that yer opinion doesn\'t count, it\'s just misguided
go watch blade runner and tell me it wasn\'t a better film
I did watch blade runner.Some years ago.Great movie.I dont find it logical to compare Matrix with Blade Runner though.Each of those two films were great with their own distinctive style and plot.
(I still remember the neon sign with the Attari logo on it:))
My opinion was misguided by whom, by what?
:confused:
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by popular media, as stated above
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Originally posted by mm
humans ruled by machines?! what a novel idea! :eek:
No that wouldnt be it. This is just an aspect to the movie. The movie is about the Matrix hence the title. That was the novelty. Like i said earlier this of course could have had many ideas behind it, borrowed or stolen, based on what side you take. This concept of novelty isnt even all there is too it and i hold no side. I give with you guys. :sconf:
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Originally posted by mm
again, i\'m sorry you can\'t recognize good cinema. really, i am
There you go again. All high and mighty, thinking you know better than everyone. Just because I like stuff you don\'t like doesn\'t mean I don\'t recognize good cinema.
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actually, yes it does
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Originally posted by mm
actually, yes it does
That HAS to be sarcasm, unless you actually believe you\'re better than everyone.
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better? never said i was better
i just know good cinema when most people wouldnt
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Originally posted by mm
better? never said i was better
i just know good cinema when most people wouldnt
But you\'re saying you know better than me (and you don\'t even know me or what I know about cinema) just because I think differently of The Matrix than you. And when you say that it seems that you\'re saying you\'re better.
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it\'s not a matter of liking the matrix or not, it\'s thinking thats it\'s more than it really is...mindless fun (aka bad cinema)
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Whats good cinema mm? I want facts, not your opinions...
I want to know what makes good cinema and what you have to support the idea. Also why you\'re more right then anyone else and why.
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oz hasnt known good cinema since Gallipoli back in 81
why do you think every aussy film star leaves oz once they get a little fame?
not like the aborigines are gonna pump out good cinema
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Oh come on now mm, Yahoo Serious and Crocodile Dundee were great :rolleyes:
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Still didn\'t answer my question. Maybe u can\'t.
If Aussies cash in on American dollars. More power to em. How did these uneducated Australians get into such American cinema magic?!?!
Maybe the Americans need someone to teach em how to act or somewhere to learn how to act ey.. what, all this time you thought mel gibson learnt how to act in america and nicole kidman was a american.
Yea, we do make shitty movies.. But america tops that 100 fold.
:)
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mm your knowledge of Australia doesn\'t surprise me.
Little to none.. Mostly none. Abbos came from America u say. Buahhahahahahahahaha ohh "wipes tear"
And i guess u think the african americans come from sweden ey. lol
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when did i say abbo\'s came from the US? everyone knows your predecessors came out of the jungle, duh :)
it saddens me that you guys probably have no idea who Fritz Lang was...or Werner Herzog...or Ingmar Bergman....or Toshiro Mifune...etc
..you\'re part of the "you guys" group souly
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Yea i am, and do i care... nope. Will i ever care. Nope. Why, cause in the end the australians will still be getting paid the biggest wages and the ones that aren\'t australian. Are most likely australian taught talents too. ;)
This (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=28911) Page ring any bells. Sending any more abbos here mm.
You raped any games lately too? BUHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!
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biggest wages to aussies? pffft, that must be after the currency conversion. you guys still using wood chips to barter for goods?
bro, i understand your australian, but you\'re gonna have to speak in somewhat coherant english sentences if you want me to respond.
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uh-huh.. Good reply. :rolleyes:
Well, if i\'m not coherant enough for you. Don\'t reply. "Waits for reply"
Atleast we know what bartering is.
Robbed any stores lately?
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good :)
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indeed.
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Originally posted by mm
by popular media, as stated above
I ll quote myself.
Before I watched the Matrix I knew almost nothing about the movie.The only thing I knew about the movie was some original effects I happened to watch accidentally from a movie program.
Never heard any comments or saw a trailer of the movie before I watched it at the cinema.I only saw some footage accidentally that lasted a few seconds.I wasnt planning to see it either.My friends wanted to see it and so I went too.
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Originally posted by mm
it\'s not a matter of liking the matrix or not, it\'s thinking thats it\'s more than it really is...mindless fun (aka bad cinema)
Why should you be more capable of seperating good cinema from bad cinema than me, or anyone else for that matter?
In the end it\'s all down to the individual. A good film to one person can be crap to another, and crap to one person may be the best film ever for someone else.
You may consider The Matrix a bad film, but that\'s your opinion. Allow the rest of the world to have their own, please.
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have your opinion, i don\'t care.
people that are cultured in cinema know what\'s good and what\'s not
but do yourself a favor, seek out the directors i listed
turn off MTV and go rent "seven samurai - kurosawa" or "nosferatu - herzog"
you might realize something, or...you might not
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Originally posted by mm
have your opinion, i don\'t care.
but do yourself a favor, seek out the directors i listed
turn off MTV and go rent "seven samurai - kurosawa" or "nosferatu - herzog"
you might realize something, or...you might not
MTV? You draw conclusions. You do not know me, and yet you draw conclusions about my character and my knowledge?
You need to stop thinking that you know better, because there is the possibly that you are wrong.
Originally posted by mm
people that are cultured in cinema know what\'s good and what\'s not
Not true. People that are cultured in cinema have just as much a chance of being wrong as everyone else. And how do you then explain that many people who are cultured in cinema think The Matrix is a good film?
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MM why don\'t you stop being such an arrogant MOFO?
have your opinion, but respect others\' too!
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Anyway, back to the topic of this thread... the game got less than stellar reviews from IGN and Gamespot. Bad graphics, bad AI, bugs... its all in the reviews...
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Just like every other game based off a movie or tv show.
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regardless of what you guys think, or say
i know good cinema, no matter if i like the film or not
"magnolia" for example. i frickin HATED it, but it was great cinema
so, unless you guys have seen any films by the directors i listed, please go right ahead and spend 8$ for spoon fed crap. plenty more where that came from.
matrix = targeted for MTV generation
when someone calls the matrix the best film ever, or a masterpiece, or even just good cinema, it\'s insulting
they just have no clue
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Originally posted by mm
regardless of what you guys think, or say
i know good cinema, no matter if i like the film or not
"magnolia" for example. i frickin HATED it, but it was great cinema
so, unless you guys have seen any films by the directors i listed, please go right ahead and spend 8$ for spoon fed crap. plenty more where that came from.
matrix = targeted for MTV generation
when someone calls the matrix the best film ever, or a masterpiece, or even just good cinema, it\'s insulting
they just have no clue
Your idiocy infuriates me to the point where I can\'t type properly.
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The Matrix is the most over rated movie ever. Good action and entertainment but nothing more. It wouldn\'t make my top 100 movies of all time list that\'s for sure. The plot is silly and Keanu Reeves can\'t act if his life depended on it.
Blade Runner on the other hand is on my top 100 movie list.
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Originally posted by mm
i know good cinema, no matter if i like the film or not
Everyone can make mistakes, and face it, that\'s just what you\'ve done. The Matrix is a good film, the majority of people think so. Both "MTV peeps" and the more intelligent ones, and respected film critics among them. The Matrix is a good film, you just can\'t see it.
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Have\'nt been here in quite some time - good too see that mm is a critical as always! Keep up the good work old friend.
I came here just for this thread, considering you can\'t find a good review these days without paying for it, psx2central still had the better reviews anyways.
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sorry, echo...yer out on this one
the matrix is HEAVILY over rated, and only loved by the MTV crowd
the real film lovers would turn elsewhere for sci fi
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hey mm, can u pm me a list of these film, cos you have got me intrested, and i wanna go find them and watch them too
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this list is for everyone. the following films are REQUIRED viewing for anyone who considers themself a "movie fan"
"seven samurai 1954" - Akira Kurosawa. If you can\'t find it, break down and get a film called "the magnificent seven" with Yul Brynner. It\'s an american remake as a western (all the great westerns are remakes of japanese films), but still a great film. my favorite film of all time....
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.umich.edu%2F%7Eiinet%2Fcjs%2Ffilms%2Freviews%2Fpics%2Fsevensamurai.jpg&hash=e476198901e5456008761ef73c8d56a35fc8884e)
"yojimbo 1961" - Akira Kurosawa (remade as a "fistfull of dollars" with clint eastwood, and then again as "last man standing" with bruce willis)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fia.imdb.com%2Fmedia%2Fimdb%2F01%2FI%2F44%2F26%2F10m.jpg&hash=008cfa8588bdb972c8d95e67f112cc8ce596a1ff)
"sanjuro 1962" - Akira Kurosawa (remade as "for a few dollars more" with clint eastwood)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fia.imdb.com%2Fmedia%2Fimdb%2F01%2FI%2F59%2F73%2F30m.jpg&hash=4a31cfec0d12466ceba9aea0a69a5299283f6bb3)
"metropolis 1927" - Fritz Lang
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"rear window 1954" - Alfred Hitchcock
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"blade runner director\'s cut 1982" - Ridley Scott
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"the seventh seal 1957" - Ingmar Bergman
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watch these (if you can, half of them are 50 years or older and subtitled), and then get back to me and tell me the matrix is such a great film...
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Hell yeah. Seven Samurai was a good movie. Didnt see the western remake. I have blade runner on DVD, seen yojimbo and heard about metropolis. Everything else i havent even heard of.
Not a big Terentino fan?
For some reason I like Aurdey Hepburn a lot. :)
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Originally posted by mm
sorry, echo...yer out on this one
the matrix is HEAVILY over rated, and only loved by the MTV crowd
the real film lovers would turn elsewhere for sci fi
A few things:
The Matrix is a good film. It is not only loved by the MTV crowd.
STOP ACTING AS IF YOU KNOW EVERYTHING!! You don\'t!
I\'m going to stop arguing now, no matter if you continue or not. I\'m tired of this and I won\'t bother trying to convince you. The following words will be my last on the subject:
During this argument of ours I have not seen you back your case in any way, except with your own word on it. I however have pointed out that the majority of people like the film,it got a good score at IMDB (which is, as I have figured out in the years I\'ve been visiting it, a very accurate site) and that respected film critics (which I\'m assuming some of them are film buffs / \'cultured in cinema\') have given the film good scores.
Now let\'s stop this. The people on this board deserve better than to have to suffer our constant arguing.
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mm must think all critics are right. Sense they are cultured in movie cinema. Why else do they get paid. If not, you\'re totally contradicting yourself...
Anyway,
I\'ve been playing the pc version of "Enter the Matrix" for about 1 to 2 hours.
I got to say, It\'s indeed a poorly made piece of crap. It\'s so repetitive the novelty disappears after the first 5 minutes. Then it’s mindless repetitive fighting. It\'s got SHIT load of bugs, including texture problems and blocky ness.
The controls are lame and so is the bland graphics. The sound has cut out on me once so far. When going into "focus mode" the game really goes strange, seems to lag. Maybe they should have learnt how to do it right and got help from 3drealms and used the Max Payne bullet time effect.
Only good thing is the fighting techniques and special moves. Nothing like taking on 6 guards and kicking arse. Sometimes the fighting can look really great. Other times it can look totally lame.
I finish everything i start. But i doubt i\'ll ever play it again. Unless some good mods come out, if any.
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i don\'t think all critics are right
i do know, however, more about culture cinema than both of you put together.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
mm must think all critics are right. Sense they are cultured in movie cinema. Why else do they get paid. If not, you\'re totally contradicting yourself...
Anyway,
I\'ve been playing the pc version of "Enter the Matrix" for about 1 to 2 hours.
I got to say, It\'s indeed a poorly made piece of crap. It\'s so repetitive the novelty disappears after the first 5 minutes. Then it’s mindless repetitive fighting. It\'s got SHIT load of bugs, including texture problems and blocky ness.
The controls are lame and so is the bland graphics. The sound has cut out on me once so far. When going into "focus mode" the game really goes strange, seems to lag. Maybe they should have learnt how to do it right and got help from 3drealms and used the Max Payne bullet time effect.
Only good thing is the fighting techniques and special moves. Nothing like taking on 6 guards and kicking arse. Sometimes the fighting can look really great. Other times it can look totally lame.
I finish everything i start. But i doubt i\'ll ever play it again. Unless some good mods come out, if any.
Now i remember when (about 2 years ago or so) we had X box fanboys saying that this game was going to be a X box exclusive years ago, and how it was going to destroy anything on the PS2.
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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Originally posted by mm
i don\'t think all critics are right
i do know, however, more about culture cinema than both of you put together.
"bows to the oh holy one. Please my lord.. Teach me all that you have to offer" :rolleyes:
Your "my dick is bigger then your dick" analogy is getting old and boring, talk to me when you have something descent to say. :)
Please, try not to contradict yourself again.
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glad to see you didnt contest
everyone has forte\'s, and mine is cinema (and computers). i\'m sure your knowledge on your ancestral abbo\'s in your country is outstanding and i wouldn\'t think of arguing that
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Fortes are one thing... Facts is another, facts based on opinions cannot be ones forte. It\'s arrogant to believe so... Ones opinions are only that, opinions. They are no more right or wrong then anyone else’s. If anything was to judge what good cinema is. It would be the amount of money and screenings the movie gets... The many outweigh the few... I don’t think you know any better then I mm. Naming movies and directors shows intelligence in movie making. Not if a movie is good or not. That’s totally an opinion. That can never be changed by ones believes.
Like I said, if a critic who has done Schooling on movie history and all of the other crap. Was to say a movie sucked, when you say it is the best movie ever. Does that make you wrong? I guess so, since they are more educated in cinema. If they were to follow your rules that is ;)
Take the matrix 2 for example. It may not be good cinema to one person. But to 10x it is. So which is the more right? One critic says it’s the best movie, another says it’s the worst. Again, who is right? You can’t answer it because it’s an opinion based answer. Nether of them are right or wrong. It’s opinion. Only fact can be based on what is... Ticket sales and screenings are what movies get based on. If it’s a flop it doesn’t sell. If its not, it does... What will truly show how well people like Matrix 2 or any other movie will be the DVD/Vhs sales imo.
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If anything was to judge what good cinema is. It would be the amount of money and screenings the movie gets
sorry, i stopped reading right there. you\'re a fool
spiderman was the fastest selling movie ever, need i say more?
go back to your MTV
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Shame, cause i explain a little more after that.. That dvd sales truly show how popular a movie is. Wether u like spiderman or not doesn\'t matter. If it did well it must have been for a reason, Hype doesn’t last forever. Not everyone will see a movie that all their friends say is shit. Personally I didn\'t see spiderman till it came out on dvd. All my friends said it was shit ;)
But to you and me spiderman is lame. To other people it’s the best movie ever. Why are we more right? Is it because more people say spiderman is shit? If so, guess that means your wrong about matrix 2. Sence more people say its good.
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we are more right to say spiderman is FAR from the greatest movie ever, because we (*cough* I) know better
DVD sales are spurred by advertising and cost. if DVD\'s cost 80$, would they sell so well?
honestly bro, watch 1/2 those movies i posted and get back to me
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If spiderman sold for 5 bucks.. Would u buy it? It cuts both ways.
If dvd had a 80 buck standard people would buy them..
People buy 50 doller games.. Including you right. When you buy them. Do u buy crap or good games?
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[sarcasm mode]
pffft yeh Spiderman was a pure work of art :rolleyes:
[/sarcasm mode]
i mean i just lost count of the time i saw a mistake or even the God Damn Boom Mic .. and that was when i saw it for the first time at the theater.
Soulgrind = Lover of the Over Rated Movie !
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were did i say i love spiderman?
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i can see what mm is saying, and i did enjoy the matrix, but it was not a great movie..... most peep are taken just by the special effects etc... and it is not deep
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
were did i say i love spiderman?
well your the one saying sales & box office takens = quality.
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no, I said if anyone was going to judge what is good and bad it would have to be based of sales. Simply because you can\'t judge facts on opinions. Like i said. Some people hate spiderman, while others like it, people and critics alike. Who is right? Good or bad, it\'s all opinions.
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it\'s not good cinema, even the most idiotic of critics couldn\'t say it is and keep thier respect
it\'s like a pastry. appealing and pleasant, but no real substance
how can you compare game sales to DVD sales? honestly bro, your trolling at this point to save any grace of an argument you might have never had
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mm why you taking on this battle?! You know its lost, but you continue to truck on. I use to get mad for the same things and try and correct people. But if you truely understand these MTV kids, then you know its a lost cause. Granted, there will be a few who wake up from the Matr....MTV and realize what a good movie is.
But like everything else on MTV, its entertainment. You need to understand that most thing do have a value. I realize that your main argument is that The Matrix is not a stellar or the greatest movie ever created. BUt it is entertaining. It is very succesfull and fullfilling that nitch. Like most of the music (if any) on MTV sucks, because I\'ve realized they are entertainers and not artists. So now, its all good, I don\'t get worked up over it.
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If anyone is trolling it\'s you!
say whatever you want, but it won\'t change the fact that your arguments are based on opinion, and nothing else!
I\'m not saying I think matrix 2 is a really great movie, but, like soulgrind rightfully states, it is a huge succes (probably), which makes it a well made movie.
whether you like it or not, is not the real question here. What\'s important is what the majority of people think of it.
and....please.....stop acting as if you\'re some kind of movie god, cause you aren\'t!
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agreed kirath
someday, they will realize they lost thier creative thought and imagination for something more than special effects, bullet time, and a marilyn manson soundtrack
i pity people who watch a movie just to be entertained, like soully and echo. it\'s what they programmed themselves to expect. i can\'t blame them tho, they have short attention spans, and movies like spiderman, and the matrix appeal to them
movies like "the seven samurai" are in no way entertainment, they\'re an experience. shame on anyone who cannot recognize the difference
politepet, i\'ll add you to my collective list of who know less about culture cinema then me, thanks
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Its ok mm. I finally understand were you are coming from. Being a uneducated movie critic and all. You must be right, I guess those critics that did get a education in cinema history and all the other bs must be wrong in their opinions if they don’t meet yours. I’m sorry I ever doubted your opinions. lol yea, right. Grace of aguement.. You have none what so ever. Your whole argument is based on opinion. That\'s no bases for anything.. It\'s lame to even think you had one to begin with.. PROVE me wrong man. Show me why you are right, and everyone else that\'s ever liked a movie that you don\'t is wrong..
PROVE IT.
Until you prove anything I’m not replying. Take it how you will. Think you\'ve won on opinions i don\'t care. I\'m not debating over your opinions anymore. It\'s a waste of my time. How a person thinks they\'ve won a debate on their opinions alone is so sad. It\'s quite pathetic really. Good cinema is in the eye of the beholder. People will like what they like, not what they are told to like. When you grow up a bit, you\'ll realise everyone’s idea of good cinema is different. You do not set the standard for good cinema.
I\'m not debating on whats good or bad cinema. That is ones opinion which cannot be debated. I\'m debating on why your idea of good cinema is the right one over everyone elses..
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mm I think your being too cynical though and making it appear you are an elitist by trying to seperate yourself from others. The comfort should come from the fact that you know the difference, not from trying to get others to see you point of view.
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i am an elitest, i earned that right when it comes to culture cinema
I can choose what is good cinema and what isnt because I learned what is classified as good cinema. UNLESS, you have seen a broad range of films designated as "classics", please STFU and return to the matrix discussion in off-topic. just because you saw matrix 2 and thought it was a great film, gives you no right to throw yer 2 cents in
soully, please leave your insecurities and ineptitude out of discussions, it\'s pathetic. it\'s always "prove this" and "prove that" with you. :rolleyes:
bottom line, and last time i will say it. if you have not seen the films i mention repeatedly, please STFU, you have NO clue about good cinema. you have no comparison.
take comfort in knowing? there can be no comfort when i go to the independant theatre by my house, sit down for a film, and then watch 3/4 of the people walk out and demand thier money back cause they didnt know the movie was subtitled. makes me wanna spit on them for thier lack of culture and acceptance
how many times do i have to see "matrix r0x0rs!", or "lord of the rings is the greatest film evah!!!" before i wanna vomit
again, i am an elitest. agree or not, i am very knowledgeble on the film industry and history (foreign and domestic). it\'s been over a 20 year effort, more than most of you have been alive.........
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1 final reply.
It\'s always prove this and prove that with me because you never prove anything. You base everything soley on your opinions. Why should anyone see the movies u listed, you do not set the standard in good movies, All though you\'d like to think so.
I still can\'t understand how u claim what is good and bad cimema from your opinions. It\'s just so stupid. You don\'t know what i like, or the rest of the world population likes. You can\'t tell people what they should and shouldn\'t watch, simply because you like or dislike a movie. No matter what crap you come out with, it\'s always your opinions... Claim them as facts if u want. If it makes you feel better.
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admit you\'re scared or too immature, or just simply lazy to watch the movies i listed.
you have no other reason, or excuse
there\'s your proof (as usual)
actuall, at this point in time, yer probably afraid to watch a film like "the seven samurai", and say "mm was right, that was an experience"
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Sure I’ll watch them. Hey, i may even like them... But i may not too.
Does that mean I’m wrong, or to young to know any better...
Nope. It just means I know what I like and no one will change that. :) You let critics and other people dictate to you what to like all you want mm.. But i won\'t. After i watch them, i won\'t be telling the person next to me that they are wrong in the choice of movies they like, or that they don\'t like good cinema. I have enough sense to know it\'s personal preference.
There\'s a PC patch out for ETM.
Get it here (http://www.atari.de/products/pc/enter_the_matrix/downloads/matrix_any152.zip)
Seems to solve a lot of texture issues (flickering etc)
Apart from that i can\'t tell what else has changed.
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wow, I just realized how shalow this conversation was/is. I thought mm was actually making a valid point and not being some whinny bitch fanboy..
mm, just because people don\'t understand the base for your opinions does not give you the right to shit on them. You just made me realize that your arguments have no merit just by the way you respond to people. Granted, maybe you do have some knowledgable insight, no one cares! They way you come across with such information shows your ignorance and just how shalow you are. Its a shame too, because I\'ve seen all ALL of the movies you\'ve listed, I consider myself to have a good understanding of what good cinema is, but unfortunatly we have zealots like you who try to act allmighty. You got a fed a little bit of knowledge and now take that limited expereince and try to impose it on all around you.
smarten up
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i don\'t believe you\'ll watch then, don\'t bother trying to humor me. If you don\'t like them, you don\'t recognize good cinema, it\'s as simple as that. does that make me a better person? never said it did, it just means your missing out. NOONE dictates me me what is good, it\'s YOU guys that let it happen. you don\'t see me mentioning IMDB\'s ratings, do you?
does the ETM patch add any instance of fun gameplay that was missing?
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Originally posted by mm
i don\'t believe you\'ll watch then, don\'t bother trying to humor me.
I\'ll watch them, it may take me some time because i\'ve got other things to do besides watching TV all day.
If you don\'t like them, you don\'t recognize good cinema, it\'s as simple as that.
Again, posting your opinion as fact. Don\'t tell me what is good and bad cinema. I\'ll make that choice myself thanks.
does that make me a better person? never said it did, it just means your missing out. NOONE dictates me me what is good, it\'s YOU guys that let it happen. you don\'t see me mentioning IMDB\'s ratings, do you?
Yea, if u did they\'d be pretty low eh. ;)
does the ETM patch add any instance of fun gameplay that was missing?
no, but improves on whats already lacking in gameplay. I don\'t enjoy flickering textures in any game.. do you? I finish everything i start. Seems only smart to patch bugs and improve the gameplay.
The patch wasn\'t just intended for you. it was for all the people that have the game.
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Again, posting your opinion as fact. Don\'t tell me what is good and bad cinema. I\'ll make that choice myself thanks
ok, lemme ask you this
all else aside, how can you make that choice if you don\'t have a comparison?
ex. if a person hasn\'t seen metropolis, blade runner, and tron, how can they say matrix 2 is such a great movie? are they comparing it to the 1st one? comparing it to xmen 2?
it\'s like walking into pizza hut, and claiming they have the best pizza. when clearly, there are dozens of lesser known shops around for much longer that have much better pizza, but the person didn\'t know about them.
i\'m hesitant to use the term ignorant, but it\'s the beginning of it with most people (not necesarrily you). it would be like me entering into a automotive discussion on what cars are better over the years. i have little concern and knowledge of the subject, so i wouldn\'t even get involved
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You suck dude, I just lost all respect I had for you, and although you probably couldn\'t care less, I advise you to read: \'two concepts of freedom, by sir Isaiah Berlin.
maybe than you\'ll understand your own ignorance!
cause no matter how hard you enlighten us with your \'almighty knowledge of movies\', it still remains just YOUR opinion......
please, I dare you to state, that your arguments aren\'t based on solely your opinion!
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politepet.....nevermind, i lost all interest. even soully is more interesting than anything you might have to say on this subject
umm, how come i havent seen anyone (politepet especially) listing any other movies to watch that could be examples of good cinema? oh yeah......
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Thats it - I\'m calling it - CRIPPPPPPPPPPPLE FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in this corner, weighing in at a hefty 255 pounds (including the chair)
MM!!!!!(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ljp.clara.co.uk%2F6music%2Ftimmy.jpg&hash=acbeac4c548f8560861da35eb5750a954644d48d)
and in this corner, weighing in at just 75 pounds!
§ôµÏG®ïñD!!!!!(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eddog.com%2Fmyruin%2Fpics%2Ftairrie-south-park.gif&hash=ad880708f1e4a6b5b82c39855599087d2ae7d7e6)
ROUND 3, FIGHT!!!
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nah, i like soully. he has a certain way of "almost" frustrating me, in a humorous way
..and i don\'t mean to sound rude, but in your sig it should read precipitate, not parcipitate. unless, of course, it was intentional
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Think of it this way, are people to eat 30 types of pizzas before they know they hate pizza. Don\'t think so. I don\'t have to eat every mc donalds item on their menu to know it\'s all crap, but if the person next to me loves mc donalds. More power to them. :)
A person doesn\'t need to watch 30 movies of a certain type to know if they like 1 certain movie or not. You don\'t need to compare movies to know what you like. it\'s like eating something for the first time. You don\'t have to eat it 30 different ways to know it tastes like crap.
Like i said, i\'ll watch the movies. If i don\'t like certain ones. That doesn\'t make me wrong. It\'s my own preference.
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Originally posted by mm
politepet.....nevermind, i lost all interest. even soully is more interesting than anything you might have to say on this subject
umm, how come i havent seen anyone (politepet especially) listing any other movies to watch that could be examples of good cinema? oh yeah......
because that would just be opinion! duh!
you\'re missing the point man!
I\'m not saying you\'re wrong, when you state (for instance) matrix 2 sucks, but it doesn\'t rule out the fact that it is your opinion.
I\'m okay with you disliking it, but you really shouldn\'t feel bigger than someone who does like it.
If people like a movie, it is a good movie ( to them)
oh, and another thing, in what way, does watching a certain movie, make another movie less good!
It might not be original, but it doesn\'t make it less enjoyable!
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soully, what people like and what is good cinema ARE OFTEN TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!
i\'ve been saying this, ad nauseam
and your macdonalds analogies make no sense. now, if someone ate at many different fast food chains (burger king/wendy\'s/jack in the box), and then decided macdonalds was the best (or worst), then what do we have? a frickin comparison! :eek:
sigh, i never said anyone is wrong for not liking certain movies
there is a problem, however, with not recognizing good cinema, and claiming a pop culture movie as such
as long as we can all agree that "glitter" isn\'t good cinema (or at best, is a piece of shit), then everything is right with the world (sorry #racer#)
oh, and another thing, in what way, does watching a certain movie, make another movie less good!
It might not be original, but it doesn\'t make it less enjoyable!
i meant no disrespect bro, but please, i beg you...watch a few of the films i listed, and perhaps you\'ll see what i\'m pleading. you might realize that hollywood has been in a steady decline for the past 20 years. you\'ll recognize these fast food movies that they puke on us. you might be inclined to visit an independant theatre and watch a foreign film that doesnt include shooting people, or high speed car chases, or big explosions
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agreed! :)
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lol. Dood, they don\'t need to eat at all these places to know what they like. Comparison is what makes a person know good cinema is for themselfs.. Not everyone else. You can\'t tell others what is good cinema from your comparsions and experience. They don\'t have the same "TASTES" as you. It\'s like you telling me mc donalds is better then burger king, and if i like burger king over mc donalds. I don\'t know what a good burger is etc... it just doesn\'t work. Even if you\'ve had 100 different types of burgers then me. If i have 100 burgers too, my opinion will still be different.
Yes, glitter is a lame movie imo. But that\'s all it is, my opinion.
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Originally posted by mm
i do know, however, more about culture cinema than both of you put together.
I said before I was going to stop, and I am, just a few last words:
You don\'t know us (well, at least you don\'t know me). I could just as well know 10 times more about culture cinema than you. But even if I did it wouldn\'t matter. You knowing more about films doesn\'t make you more capable of judging quality than anyone else.
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i\'m not arguing that
i\'m saying for any person to decide what is and isn\'t good, must have a comparison
how can someone say if a movie is good or not, if they don\'t have a valid comparison?
how can someone say if a fast food joint is good or not, if they don\'t have a valid comparison?
so therefore, a person CANNOT say the matrix or macdonalds is good cinema or good fast food, if they don\'t have a valid comparisons. how are these comparisons achieved? ahhhh yes......
actually echo, it does. like i said, noone else is suggesting films, and still noone has.
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i just feel the need to quote myself, because this statement sums up my whole argument, and fortunately, it cannot be refuted
i\'m saying for any person to decide what is and isn\'t good, must have a comparison
how can someone say if a movie is good or not, if they don\'t have a valid comparison?
how can someone say if a fast food joint is good or not, if they don\'t have a valid comparison?
so therefore, a person CANNOT say the matrix or macdonalds is good cinema or good fast food, if they don\'t have a valid comparisons. how are these comparisons achieved? ahhhh yes......
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Originally posted by mm
i meant no disrespect bro, but please, i beg you...watch a few of the films i listed, and perhaps you\'ll see what i\'m pleading. you might realize that hollywood has been in a steady decline for the past 20 years. you\'ll recognize these fast food movies that they puke on us. you might be inclined to visit an independant theatre and watch a foreign film that doesnt include shooting people, or high speed car chases, or big explosions
that\'s totally besides the point
perhaps if I watched them, I would agree with you, that they are good movies, but it still doesn\'t change the fact that it would be our opinion, thus it not being fact.
IMO we don\'t even have a real discussion here, it\'s just that we interpretate differently. You speak in a \'negative freedom\' point of view, while I speak in \'positive freedom\' :eek:
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agreed! :)
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Originally posted by kopking
i can see what mm is saying, and i did enjoy the matrix, but it was not a great movie..... most peep are taken just by the special effects etc... and it is not deep
Huh?Perhaps you didnt get the plot.Me and many of my friends didnt like it just by special effects.:mad:
No it wasnt the setting either.It wasnt the basic idea of humans being ruled by machines in the future and living in a fake reality.
Originally posted by ooseven
[sarcasm mode]
pffft yeh Spiderman was a pure work of art :rolleyes:
[/sarcasm mode]
i mean i just lost count of the time i saw a mistake or even the God Damn Boom Mic .. and that was when i saw it for the first time at the theater.
Soulgrind = Lover of the Over Rated Movie !
Atleast Spiderman is one of the best superhero movies.Thats why it was such a success.
Now as a movie compared with any other movie.....its not that great.
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i would argue many other reasons on why it was a success
something tells me batman didnt have a 100 million dollar advertising budget behind it
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Perhaps that was the reason Spiderman was a success.But Batman movies sucked anyways.
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BLASPHEME!
tim burton should kick your ass for that comment
batman is the greatest super hero film
the sequals...well.....ermmmm...yeah
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Originally posted by mm
BLASPHEME!
tim burton should kick your ass for that comment
batman is the greatest super hero film
the sequals...well.....ermmmm...yeah
What was the first about?
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about?
"ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
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The one with Joker??
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Yeah, Jack Nicholson plays the Joker in the first one. The first Batman movie is actually quite good. The others are terrible though.
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Originally posted by mm
i\'m not arguing that
i\'m saying for any person to decide what is and isn\'t good, must have a comparison
how can someone say if a movie is good or not, if they don\'t have a valid comparison?
how can someone say if a fast food joint is good or not, if they don\'t have a valid comparison?
so therefore, a person CANNOT say the matrix or macdonalds is good cinema or good fast food, if they don\'t have a valid comparisons. how are these comparisons achieved? ahhhh yes......
You were assuming we hadn\'t seen any of the great classics, Tron, Bladerunn, 7 Samurai.... Assumptions can often be deadly....
Originally posted by mm
actually echo, it does. like i said, noone else is suggesting films, and still noone has.
Suggest films? Why? Why would that make my argument more valid?
Ah, whatever, I\'ll go along with it:
Noi the Albino (Nói albíonói)
Angels of the Universe (Englar alheimsins)
The Sea (Hafið)
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like i didnt see that one coming
picking some recent local films
easy for an icelander, eh? :)
youll have to look deeper on my list aside from tron and bladerunner, they were/are popular films, including seven samurai
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So much LOVE.
"hugs all around"
Peace and harmony "smokes some weed"
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you mean "smokes some braincells"
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Figure of speech. I don\'t smoke dope.. I sniff paint ;) j/k
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Wow. two pages have been written since ive been away (about 2 days or less). Geeze, i can feel the love here. Why argue over such petty bulls***? Ok i totally understand were mm comes from cause in certain ways i have been in his shoes (film critic and classic lover) but we all have our opinions dammit and if you cant respect that (even if they may be wrong) then i think you all need to take a bottle of zoloft/prozac and .... well you know what to do with it. Some people i know can be obnoctious mm and it pisses me off sometimes but hey, do you really think you will get to them? Honestly? I dont mind. I take everyones opinion into consideration, but w/e this isnt all about me. So i leave you with this. Adieu
Didnt i say was going to stay out of this a long time ago? Oh well *shrugs*
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Originally posted by mm
like i didnt see that one coming
picking some recent local films
easy for an icelander, eh? :)
youll have to look deeper on my list aside from tron and bladerunner, they were/are popular films, including seven samurai
I still don\'t understand why I should name some movies. To show I know something about good movies?
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good movies do not always equal good cinema
i\'m sorry you fail to recognize the difference
no matter to me either way
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All I gotta say is...
The Matrix\'s action scenes were mediocre...
Pfffffftttt
Anyone who thinks they were great must get their action only from Van Damme and Stallone...
Look to the Far East for what an action movie should be...
Liked that shoot-out in the high rise?
Watch John Woo\'s Hard Boiled and the climactic hospital shoot-out...
The kung-fu scenes?
Like hearing Roseanne singing the national anthem...
Get someone whose forte is what you\'re attempting...
Get a real martial artist, please...
Some people are wowed by the special effects and story and proclaim it to be such a great action movie...
Yuen Woo Ping was wasted...
And Crouching Tiger\'s kung fu scenes sucked...
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As for a list of movies...
Action - Gun
John Woo\'s Hard Boiled, The Killer
Action - Martial Arts
Jackie Chan\'s Wheels On Meals, Dragon\'s Forever
Jet Li\'s Once Upon A Time In China series, Fist of Legend
Almost anything that stars any combo of the Seven Brothers from the Peking Opera School - Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, Yuen Biao, Yuen Wah etc.
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nice list ashford. i own them
and if we\'re talking eastern cinema
don\'t forget about gordon liu in "shaolin master killer"
:)
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Wheels On Meals - Pretty silly movie but those action scenes...
Dragons Forever - More believable story but once again, those action scenes...
Anyone seen Project A? That is the movie in which Jackie Chan suffered a nasty fall from a clock tower and landed right on his head...
Yet another silly movie but you don\'t watch action movies for the story and plot...
And one of Jet Li\'s first - Kids From Shaolin
You\'ve got a bunch of cute kids, each with more skill than the whole cast of The Matrix, combined. Great fun if you can stand the nauseating cute factor...
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Originally posted by mm
good movies do not always equal good cinema
i\'m sorry you fail to recognize the difference
no matter to me either way
I sure hope that was not a reply to my post, because if it is then you\'ve clearly lost your mind as it has nothing to do with what I wrote.
Edit: Read it better. You still didn\'t answer the question, though.
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Originally posted by Ashford
All I gotta say is...
The Matrix\'s action scenes were mediocre...
Pfffffftttt
I found the action scenes to be very good. Equilibrium\'s action scenes piss all over them from a great height, though.
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yer joking right?
the "gun fight" at the end was laughable, among everything else that lame movie. christian bale is THE worst actor ever. as if reign of fire wasnt bad enough
clerics?
/me vomits
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Whatever. So you don\'t like it, but it\'s a good film: The average of about 3000 individuals says so.
And the gun fight at the end (where they were trying to get a shot at the other while keeping the other\'s gun away) was amazing. IMO, of course.
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I\'m with MM on this one, equilibrium was a really stupid movie.
the storyline sucked total ass, and while the action scenes were sometimes quite spectacular, they are totally overdone. Did the hall shootout scene at the end remind anyone of a certain movie? (lmao)
still, even if the fighting would\'ve been good, everything else about was total crap.
please note that this is just my humble opinion. If you think otherwise, good for you! :)
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Movies i like
From the east.
Dragon lord.
Armour of god.
Project A and A2
Drunken master
Police story series
Enter the dragon
Game of death 1 and 2
Way of the dragon
Fist of fury
Manga vids Like Ninja scroll. Fist of the north star i didn\'t like.
Seen some old jet lee movies. Can\'t remember the names.
Didn\'t like black mask though.
Storm riders. Liked it purely for the Martial arts and special effects.
West.
Original Star wars
Back to the future series Can\'t get enough of em.
Indiana Jones series.
Blade Runner
Lethal Weapon series.
The negotiator
Original Terminator.
Rush hour 1 and 2.
The Art of war.
Only van damme movie I ever liked was Blood Sport.
Can\'t think of anything else.....
Good or bad cinema. I don\'t care. I know what i like. Thats all that matters. :)
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nice pop culture list you got there
watch much MTV growing up?
do you rezalize that they made martial arts movies without jackie chan and bruce lee?
are you even familiar with the term "independant cinema"?
now, i like some bad movies myself, but come on
at least you reconfirmed everything i\'ve been saying this entire thread
oh, and equilibirum REALLY sucked, next you\'ll be claiming existenz was such a great movie
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
West.
Original Star wars
Back to the future series Can\'t get enough of em.
Indiana Jones series.
Blade Runner
Lethal Weapon series.
The negotiator
Original Terminator.
Rush hour 1 and 2.
The Art of war.
Only van damme movie I ever liked was Blood Sport.
Can\'t think of anything else.....
you would be as well as renaming yourself Generation X and be done with it.
/me thinks solly got this part of the list from the MTV to 20 movies :laughing:.
Originally posted by mm
oh, and equilibirum REALLY sucked, next you\'ll be claiming existenz was such a great movie
oh Godyou said existenz now that is filming pomposity at it “finest”. ;)
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MTV, I\'m in aus man. I don\'t get mtv. What you think Clint eaatwood isn\'t pop culture? or blade runner for that fact.
Even if i listed Jet lee movies galore. You\'d come out with some bullshit about that too. It doesn\'t matter what i list mm, you\'ll always have some bullshit thing to say. What ever MA movie u list is probably classified as "pop culture" where they come from anyway.
Please, again. Define what is bad. Not what you think is bad. But what\'s proven to be bad as a standard in cinema..
Here, i\'ll get into older movies eh
The Great Escape ~ loved that movie
Dirty Dozen
Bridge on teh river kawi..
Flying Tigers
Purple Heart.
Zulu
The Last Dragon.
etc etc.
It\'s not hard to list old movies i\'ve seen. That doesn\'t make me any more right or experienced then the next person. Its gonna always be my personal opinion on what\'s good and not.
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you like alot of shitty movies, if your comfortable with that, then i guess so am i
soully, oz has no concept of pop culture
it\'s jet li :rolleyes:
and he has made films that don\'t have DMX in them
you listed art of war with wesley snipes, need i say more?
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Originally posted by mm
it\'s jet li :rolleyes:
and he has made films that don\'t have DMX in them
HAR HAR!!!! :laughing:
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Originally posted by mm
you like alot of shitty movies, if your comfortable with that, then i guess so am i
soully, oz has no concept of pop culture
it\'s jet li :rolleyes:
and he has made films that don\'t have DMX in them
you listed art of war with wesley snipes, need i say more?
so what? Yea i love jet li\'s old movies.. Nothing like running on swords to know ones great at martial arts eh ;)
He\'s name is lian ji li. Get it right. I\'ve never bothered to see how he spells he\'s "pop culture" name. So the **** what..
I\'ve seen plenty of he\'s old movies and new. I just can\'t remember the names of them. Only one i remember was black mask, although new and it SUCKED like all he\'s new movies, the one, romeo must die etc.
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it\'s ok soully, i understand your frustration
if you really saw them, and really liked them, you would remember
NOONE watches "fist of legend", or "once upon a time in china", or "the legend" and forgets
oh, and it\'s Lian Jie Li
nice copy and paste
:laughing:
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U go on about pop culture. Yet you have no problem calling lian ji li by he\'s pop culture name. There\'s a MTV generation in japan/china too u know ;) Hmph.
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;)
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sigh.....
you make me feel old
like i\'m running a playground here
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More like, the bully on the playground.. Your way, your rules... ;)
Got a question for you.
Do u think these movies are pop culture.. Just so i have a understand on your idea of the MTV generation flicks.
The Great Escape
Dirty Dozen
Bridge on teh river kawi
Flying Tigers
Purple Heart.
Zulu
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soully, i give up
your such a child sometimes, it\'s no use trying to help you
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I\'m just asking a question man..
What about blade runner.. MTV generation?
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too late bro, just go watch some of the original films i mentioned, and my only thought is that you may appreciate what the directors tried to accomplish
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sigh.... I just want to know what your idea of pop culture is. So i know what to compare movies too. Listing a few movies doesn\'t tell me what your idea of pop culture is. It tells me a few movies that you say are not.. Now, i can hardly compare other movies to them can i. I may after all, compare a pop culture movie to a non pop culture movie without even knowing it... Otherwise i could list a pop culture movie like blade runner without even meaning too.
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my sentiments exactly
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So enlighten me to a broader range of movies. Sense all of the movies i\'ve list after the westen ones are MTV gen movies, Great escape etc etc in your opinion.. So I can have a clear understanding of what pop culture is.. and what is not. The first list i made wasn\'t my idea of classic cinema. It was my idea of good cinema. Anyone can list old b grade movies. if they aren\'t b grade, and they\'re on DVD.. Guess what, it\'s because they are popular. Hell, DVD is the MTV generation media, is it not..
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hey fun boys get a rooooooooooooommmmmmmmm ;)
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why, so you can watch?
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Curses ! … me secret is out
/me Storms off to the suggestion forum so that he can insist that we have our very own GAY BAR sub forum :p
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He loves to watch.. Why else do they call him 0_0seven. Dirty bastard.
Gay bar would be pointless. Only racer and samwise would hang out there.
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you didnt know we already had one?! oops.....
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Originally posted by JP
Yeah, Jack Nicholson plays the Joker in the first one. The first Batman movie is actually quite good. The others are terrible though.
The one with Joker is the only batman movie I liked too.Great movie.You are right about the others.
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Originally posted by mm
...next you\'ll be claiming existenz was such a great movie
How dare you utter the words \'existenz\' and \'great\' in the same sentence!?
Next you\'ll be claiming The Lord of the Rings films aren\'t that good.
You still haven\'t answered my question.
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actually, i fell asleep during the fellowship of the ring and never had the desire to see the twin towers
two reasons:
a. i\'d rather read the books
b. bad taste and dead alive
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Dead Alive is absolute genius.
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indeed, which steers me away from watching the action figure/videogame/funmeal commercial that is labeled Lord of the Rings
anyone remember this phrase?
"space balls - the flamethrower. merchandising!"
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Of course the books are far far better than the films could ever hope to be, but the films are still good.
Don\'t judge a film by the director\'s past work.
You still haven\'t answered my question, mm.
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What happened to this topic? I hate sorting through 6 pages looking for discussion about the actual game. :(
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I wonder...
Do most people who think The Matrix was such a great action movie also think Wu Tang Clan is a hip-hop group?
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For a list of all HK movies, go here...
http://www.hkmdb.com
Search by actor, title, and even collaborations...
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Watched Matrtix Reloaded yesterday.
The 3/4 of the way the story pprogressed I didnt like it as much as the first.But the story was generally great.
What I noticed is that the Matrix is not the movie for evreyone.Even if many understood the ending, the syllogistic meaning of the movie is something 90% of the people who have seen the matrix didnt understand or realise or find such thoughts stupid.
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Finished Enter the Matrix.
You get a little Trailer for part 3 of the movie. If anyone wants to see it i\'ll capture it and post it. Sense the vid has no sound in the FMV directory. I have to capture it to get the sound. :/
The game does pick up alittle when your fight these vampire things.. That\'s about it.
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Gosh I hate playing the game before seeing the movie...
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Fist of fury
That movie ****ing rocks- Im gonna watch it now...
BTW: Why was this moved to offtopic?
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Looks like the topic of the thread went........ you guessed it, "off topic" :laughing:
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WOW this thread has sure went off topic. I can\'t see how you guys were debating this long over it. I get into the same type of arguments with my mom as you did with MM soul.
I just don\'t see how a single person can tell you what is good and what is bad. I mean the matrix is not good because it took parts from other movies. Everything is a copy nothing is original.
Everything has been taken from something. And Watching 50 thousand old movies won\'t make me think matrix sucks either.
MM no matter what the subject is. You think your better and wiser than everyone else. That is all you do. It\'s kind of sad when your that selfish and self-centered.
How is that you don\'t RESPECT other opinions, but everyone is supose to RESPECT yours. If you don\'t like the matrix that is fine, but how your going to tell people they are not intellegent because they like it. OMG you who call be childish should grow up yourself.
I don\'t like those lord of the rings movies and thats my opinion I can\'t tell millions of people there stupid because I feel it\'s not good cinema:rolleyes:
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i must say i watched matrix reloaed this saturday, and to be honest, i wish i hadnt, imo, the film was crap, it was all up its own a$$, and the action scenes where all to over the top... this is really one of the most dissapointing films ever
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Well, I OWN Tron, Osamu Tezuka\'s Metropolis, and The Matrix.
I DON\'T think that any of them are a rehash of another, though if you want to find common elements, you can (especially if your looking at "bad guy" "good guy" type elements). What I can say, mm, is that you shouldn\'t judge the matrix based on the past work of the brothers (ie, assasins). The godfather series were all written/directed by the same guys, and we know how they stack up. The director of tron did other movies... all crap.. and now he\'s filming a sequel to tron - maybe a gem, maybe just a crappy sequel.
I think that you should take off the blinkers that you wear coming into a regular hollywood movie that pre-concieve that the movie is going to suck, because amidst the crap that hollywood churns out these days, there are movies that are just excellent.
The Matrix was one of them.
The Matrix reloaded was not.
Other excellent (hollywood type) movies: Fight club, Signs, Dark City, Gladiator, Ghost in the Shell.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and IMHO, your cynical movie-world view is what is preventing you from finding and enjoying some very good movies.
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I\'m goin to pretend that I didn\'t read someone saying Spiderman was a success and Batman "sucked".
Because, if I did - I\'d probably have to go apeshit and start cussing everyone in random spurts.
BURN! Batman (1989) was one of the greatest flicks!
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
You get a little Trailer for part 3 of the movie. If anyone wants to see it i\'ll capture it and post it. Sense the vid has no sound in the FMV directory. I have to capture it to get the sound. :/
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Yes ... do that soully so that i can delete said post and for the Admins to ban you under copyright issues :D.
You MTV Loon you ! ;)
or you could do what any normal Human could do, and thats to go to the official site and view it there.
if you want it then try the Zion switchboard, they have it over there too.
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that\'s nice. :)
Copyright issues on a trailer that\'s available on the net. :rolleyes:
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yeah but the capture from a licenced game is the issue. !
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Explain to me how capturing to "video avi" format from a game is illegal. I\'m not talking away any sales they make, nor am i taking away any future sales. Do people pay to see the trailer at the offical site. It\'s not like I\'m giving out free versions of the game. Its a capture from a video game running a trailer. I highly doubt you could get in trouble for freely distributing a trailer that\'s already available on the net. The other ingame movies i could understand. They are giving away things that people buy the game for. But a trailer... Come on
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Unfortunately hollywood has been going nuts about trailers. Most trailer sites have been forced to remove direct-download links, and you have to goto sites to see game/movie trailers.
They claim the reason behind it is that they want to track how many and who watches the trailers (you often must accept non session cookies to watch on sites), but that\'s just bull$(*#. It\'s crazy, but it\'s technically no longer allowed to have downloaded trailer collections.
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Originally posted by mm
have your opinion, i don\'t care.
people that are cultured in cinema know what\'s good and what\'s not
but do yourself a favor, seek out the directors i listed
turn off MTV and go rent "seven samurai - kurosawa" or "nosferatu - herzog"
you might realize something, or...you might not
MM < Comic Book Guy
Also, The Original Matrix oozed class, Reloaded oozes lard and human shit from every orifice.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Explain to me how capturing to "video avi" format from a game is illegal. I\'m not talking away any sales they make, nor am i taking away any future sales. Do people pay to see the trailer at the offical site. It\'s not like I\'m giving out free versions of the game. Its a capture from a video game running a trailer. I highly doubt you could get in trouble for freely distributing a trailer that\'s already available on the net. The other ingame movies i could understand. They are giving away things that people buy the game for. But a trailer... Come on
Like FatalXception said, Hollywood are going nuts over the whole rights over trailers.
plus if you read the manual that came with the game, and look under the licence section (the legal part) you will find that they take a down view on ripping images, concepts or even material from their product.
As for images and videos on the net... well for the most part the main sites have to ask for permision to publish materials from the rightful owners.
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Originally posted by mm
oz hasnt known good cinema since Gallipoli back in 81
Actually there have been quite a few really solid Australian movies released since them, some quite recent, too.
I recommend you see Rabbit Proof Fence (if you haven\'t already) if you can get your hands on it. :)
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alright, i won\'t give out the trailer. Even though i doubt they would care. It\'s like taping a show on tv.. Illegal, but they don\'t stop it. :)
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i dont know if anyone else mantioned this but the best part about this game is the hot lezbo action woohoo!!!!!
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I\'m goin to pretend that I didn\'t read someone saying Spiderman was a success and Batman "sucked".
Because, if I did - I\'d probably have to go apeshit and start cussing everyone in random spurts.
BURN! Batman (1989) was one of the greatest flicks!
Are u refering to me?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by mm
sigh.... it really is no use to argue good cinema with people who have little idea. the majority of people who go to the 300 movie cineplex have NO idea that films existed before star wars and indiana jones
honestly, look at the Wachowski brothers past work. Bound? Assassins? some impressive work there :rolleyes:
"the matrix has you" is thier slogan. should be "the matrix has your creative thought and expectations". sad to see you fell for it
it saddens me that you guys probably have no idea who Fritz Lang was...or Werner Herzog...or Ingmar Bergman....or Toshiro Mifune...etc
seems like if DMX, or Jet Lee, or Keanu Reeves, or Vin Deisel, or Ben Affect isn\'t in it, people couldnt be bothered. and god forbid a film contains subtitles! :eek:
Wow. Damn man, Im really really sorry but I don\'t find movies from back in the day interesting. Or movies Nobody has heard of. I mean have you ever watched "Los cien" GREAT mexican movie. It\'s got everything you ever wanted. But you can\'t compare low-budget films or imports or movies that came straight out to dvd\'s to something like The Matrix. Fact is the movies nobody has heard of are better than any movie out there. Except they don\'t get all the hype.
In the other hand, Matrix was off the hook. I HATE star wars. I\'ve never watched Tron. Why would I compare it to those? If you go to the movies and watch a movie expecting it to be better than a movie you tought it was great, sorry, it\'s not gonna happen. You got to go to the movies, and watch it for what it is, not a sequel or prequel or copy cat. But a whole DIFFERENT movie all together. NOTHING is original, I bet there are old people that can call the movies you like a bunch of crap. The thing that makes the Matrix so great, at least to me, it\'s that it\'s able to make me think about it and it connects to what im interested in. You know questiong faith and messing around with hot girls. Fighting. Cars. and of course sex. The EXCELLENT story is a perk.
Anyways, Bruce Almighty was off the hoooook!!
and LIC
BATMAN WAS OFF THE HOOK!!! I HAVE ALL THE MOVIES!! THE LAST ONE BLOWED BIG COCK THOUGH!!!
The Batman Series(except for batman and robin) is one of the BEST movie series EVER. YES I SAID EVER!!!
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The thing that makes the Matrix so great, at least to me, it\'s that it\'s able to make me think about it and it connects to what im interested in. You know questiong faith and messing around with hot girls. Fighting. Cars. and of course sex.
would you mind telling us your age? nevermind, i proabably wouldnt believe you anyways
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fifaseriesfan looks up at the sky :rolleyes:
and prays to god for this war to end.
I only made one little comment on the game and I didn\'t expect it to become such a HUGE argument!
I suppose though if you can\'t take the heat,then get out of the kitchen.
but my point is,everybody has different opinions,so why slag them off?
it\'s like for example I\'ve seen the original japanese versions of The Ring,but everybody just goes on about how the american version is SO good and SO scary!yet it isn\'t a patch on the originals.
The point about The Matrix,is that it has touched people and it\'s a film that will go down as a classic,whether real movie fans or "the MTV generation" as mm puts it bluntly watch it,and the fact is,I don\'t care what people say cause I enjoyed Enter The Matrix and The Matrix Reloaded,so I don\'t give a f**k about all your brainwashing opinions.
I respect your opinion mm,don\'t get me wrong.
at least if I walked up to you in a video store and you worked there and I asked which films you\'d recommend,then I\'m sure I\'d be taking home some great films,but I do like my hollywood blockbusters and nothing will change that.
You watch what you wanna watch guys,and I\'ll watch what I wanna watch.
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No, You\'re wrong.. You\'ll go straight to hell for all your opinions....
/me talks to mm...
"Sorry my lord. They won\'t convert to the dark side. I\'ve tried so hard.... But your bias and self centred opinions don\'t work as facts with them. Please my lord... Spare me......"
I found 1 good thing about enter the matrix... the cheat system.. thats about it imo. :)
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
No, You\'re wrong.. You\'ll go straight to hell for all your opinions....
Maybe I will,but to be honest I\'m going there anyway so all you Matrix haters don\'t even have to remind me.
hide behind mm...look I don\'t give a shit cause to be honest when I did the trade for this game was it YOUR money being handed over? NO it wasn\'t,was it YOUR Playstation 2 it was being played on? NO it wasn\'t.
I respect other people\'s opinions,don\'t get me wrong,but for ****s sake man,why get so worked up over a movie?
you claim to hate it yet can\'t stop dicussing it.
"This is a site full of militant movie buffs: sad bastards who live in their parents\' basements, downloading scripts and trading what they believe to be inside info about movies and actors they despise yet can\'t stop discussing. This is where you go if you wanna hear frustrated would-be filmmakers mouth off with their two-bit, arm-chair- director\'s opinions on how they all could\'ve made a better Episode One."
- perfectly defined by Ben Affleck (Holden McNeill) in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
and I\'m not talking about me,just for the record.
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You haven\'t been following the whole thread. It was sarcasm dood. :)
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If anyone read anything about Platon\'s or Socrates\' philosophy, about Taoism, Budhism etc and spend a lot of time tryng to realise the idealism and the spirituality or even some scientific theories about humans\' existence and behavior he/she would have appreciated more the plot of the Matrix.
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Originally posted by mm
would you mind telling us your age? nevermind, i proabably wouldnt believe you anyways
Im 16. I don\'t know what my age has to do with anything though. Unless your thinking:
"Ohh My God, this childish goon. I understand, I wouln\'t expect much from a lesser mortal. I think he was trying to be sarcastic and just playing around, but my super human senses and my over-the-top expertice on cinema doesn\'t allow me to accept this kind of comments. He sucks. I rule."
If that\'s the case, then.........you\'re weird. I was just playing around.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
You haven\'t been following the whole thread. It was sarcasm dood. :)
I know,but everyone has been getting so worked up over nothing.
thank god none of you guys took this onto a battlefield,it would be like a full scale war.
oh well,carry on arguing children.I\'m having fun reading all your opinions...not that I have a problem with any of you.
:hat:
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I\'ll add my opinion, having not seen any of those old movies mm mentioned because I\'m too busy watching shitty ones in theaters. ;]
I liked the first Matrix a lot and watched it twice to fully understand it. To me it was a new idea and I liked the way it was realistically presented. I believed it could happen. And the way he used his mind to stop bullets was awesome to imagine.
But the second one, I think they got carried away. Guys jumping on cars and cart-wheeling through ball rooms, it went from being real to me, to being cartoony for the sake of cartoony.
I\'d say the whole plot of Matrix 2 and how it added to the original could have been conveyed in about thirty seconds of storytelling. Hopefully the third will clear up some plot holes like who the hell is a keymaker, and more specifically, does it really matter.
The car chase scene seemed pretty pointless as did a lot of the scenes looking back on it. He hit a truck with a sword, by the way, heh.
So in a lot of ways I can see why someone might not like Matrix 2, or especially rank it among cinema\'s greatest.
I\'ll still stick up for the first one though. That one didn\'t seem so cliche to me, but from what I\'ve read, maybe it\'s all been done before too.
Having said that, I\'ll see the third one, cuz dammit, I want to know how the second one ends, heh.
Oh, and as for the game, I\'ve heard a lot of mixed opinions from gamers, online media, and the press, but I was still interested in it. Course, I just read Spiderman is $20 now, so I think I\'ll get that instead. :)
-Eik
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Spiderman was a decent game, save for Mcgquire\'s voice acting and the inside levels. That is the two things that killed the game for me.
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i finished spider-man in 3-4 days(rented). was a good game but way to quick and i didnt have any want to play it through a second time.
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SpiderMan for the DreamCast was a ton better. Based off the animated series - near perfect gameplay and tons of extra\'s. I played it to death and consider it one of the top superhero games, right up there with Batman:Vengence.
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i thought the spderman the movi game was not good, tobys voice is annoying, and just thought it was flawed.... but the one based on the cartoons, on ps1 and dc, they where excellent
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just got it for da box. Fun game, certain aspects of it are annoying, such as driving with ghost, but fighting agents and vampires more than make up for the short comings. The Kung Fu and gun play is quite diverse for a game of this genre, and nothing is more fun than judo tossing an Agent off a sky scraper (I honestly have played that level for 4 hours straight, and had a ball)
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Does anyone who has the PC version have their game crash when you get to the Truck scene?
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I rented it....Im glad I didn\'t buy it. It was the SHIT at first. But I beat it and it got boring. But its off the hook for the first or second time through though.
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I\'m playing through with Niobe now. However, I must say the ending is the suxorz. I mean what the hell, no climactic final battle? Bastards
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Finished it with both niobe and ghost.. Only the mansion section of the game was fun to me, and fighting the main characters, trinity and that other dood. (can\'t remember he\'s name) That\'s about it.