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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: GmanJoe on May 27, 2003, 04:53:09 AM
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http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/0126.htm#1
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/99007.htm
Neon
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Impreza
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Neon
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Impreza
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Neon
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Impreza
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Neon
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Impreza
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OWNED!
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Yes indeed. Dodge needs to add more structural rigidity. Subaru makes all their cars ready for world rallying. Even the Legacy but especially the Impreza. Thus the slightly bruised crash dummy. Though the last pic does concern me. I might add a cushion there.
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I know which one I\'d want to be in. Subies and Mitsu\'s have got some of the best safety results.
Neons are smaller then Impreza\'s though.
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is it fair to compare a 2002 impreza with a 2000 neon?
i would think that the new neons would have better safety measures.
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Don\'t count on it. :p The article states that it\'s 2000-2003 Neon. Apparently there was no improvement.
Oh...and I made a mistake. That\'s not a WRX. It\'s naturaly aspirated Impreza. They, too, get the same hard shell as the WRX.
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I\'m pretty sure the 2k WRX has side airbags but doesn\'t look like they went off in that pic.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
I\'m pretty sure the 2k WRX has side airbags but doesn\'t look like they went off in that pic.
I made a mistake and thought it was a WRX. That\'s a regular 2.5 Impreza TS.
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I fixed the title so you don\'t have to answer that 50 times.
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Thank you, Vid!
BTW....you had a post here about a $20,000 BMW "paint" job. But it\'s not really paint. What is it?
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If I was in a high speed crash I\'d take the scooby every time.
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More than likely though you\'d rather be driving the Neon because in the Impreza you\'d probably be driving faster. ;)
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Give me a Volvo anyday...
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Why do they do these tests?
Its basically likle saying- yeah, its okay if your crash, you\'ll probably survive.
Its interesting really though, seeing how little imporvements can save you from having your brain turned into soup.
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I odnt know why they would be compared in the first place.
Anywho..that may be a 2000 neon as I know for a fact that 2001\'s+ have side impact airbags.
Another thing about crashes in neons. My first one held up pretty good when I was run off the road at 40 mph into a concrete wall head on. I walked away only with a slightly hurt head and chest(probably the airbags) and shaken for 20 secs.
O yea..j00 want saftey mang? Check out Vulva..errr.. Volvo
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Yeah a close firend of mine just got hit in a geo...storm i think? And he was going about 30 and the woman that hit him was going maybe 30 and she didnt look while she was trying to turn and flipped him.:laughing:. He was fine but the car was turned to $#!t. Yeah those damn amercan cars. The will never get it right.
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Originally posted by Bozco
More than likely though you\'d rather be driving the Neon because in the Impreza you\'d probably be driving faster. ;)
Don\'t know what you are talking about huh? ;)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Thank you, Vid!
BTW....you had a post here about a $20,000 BMW "paint" job. But it\'s not really paint. What is it?
Nah, it was paint. People were trying to get the paint code to see if they could recreate it for cheaper. Not sure if they were successful. I need to go do a search.
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Originally posted by luckee
I odnt know why they would be compared in the first place.
Anywho..that may be a 2000 neon as I know for a fact that 2001\'s+ have side impact airbags.
Side impact bags aren\'t very good at preventing injury to the knee, as demonstrated. I think Volvos, Mercs and BMW have airbags that deploy around the knee area now. I think.
Oh, and they were compared because the NA Impreza and Neon are comparable to each other. Fortunately for Impreza owners, the car gets the same structural rigidity as the WRX.
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SEe, thats while you will never see me owning an American car... Thats just terrible
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Originally posted by kirath
SEe, thats while you will never see me owning an American car... Thats just terrible
So a Neon is the definitive American car?
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A typical American car. So....yes.
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I\'m a typical American, and I would never, ever plant my ass in a neon.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
A typical American car. So....yes.
You are crazy if you think the neon is the typical american car.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
A typical American car. So....yes.
Just like the Impreza is your typical jap car.
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Originally posted by luckee
You are crazy if you think the neon is the typical american car.
What is it? Is the quality sub-par? Above average? What sort of quality does this Neon make as "unsual"? The round headlights?
And yes, Bozco, my car is a typical Japanese car. And look at it compared to the typical American car. Which would you drive? Did you know that the resale value of American cars are extremely low compared to the average (or typical) Japanese import? Did you knwo that the average life span of an average American car is significantly lower than the average Japanese cars?
I do give the domestic pickups the nod over Japanese pickups. But I don\'t drive trucks.
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Ha - Gmanjoe and I agree - I would give the upper hand to domestic trucks over Japanese trucks. But I don\'t drive an truck either.
Very few american cars instill in me any type of confidence or desire to own one. I\'ve owned domestic cars in the past and they were terrible. Here is a list of what I\'ve owned so far.
Bronco II
Oldsmobile Cutlass
Mecury Cougar (I did love this car though, so chill and comfortable)
Nissan Pathfinder
Audi A4
Overall the best vehilce I\'ve owned I would have to say the Nissan. It was well built, easy to work on, parts were available (and cheap) - but everybody has a different experience. One may get a perfect car while, same year, make, model - someone else will get and have nothing but trouble. So I am not saying one car is better over another, just from my personal experience I would not own a domestic car.
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Yeah i dont know. All around i think imports are better but there are very snazy american cars but none are your everyday car. American cars imo last longer than imports though and can brave the elements way better. Plus since i live here they are easier to take care of. American cars generallt have no finesse and guzzle gas. And on a mod note, they are not that great. But i guess street racing is more of a japanese scene thing. Dragging alone is kinda... meh. Right now i have a 2001 subaru outback (hatchback).
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
American cars imo last longer than imports though and can brave the elements way better. Plus since i live here they are easier to take care of. American cars generallt have no finesse and guzzle gas. And on a mod note, they are not that great. But i guess street racing is more of a japanese scene thing. Dragging alone is kinda... meh. Right now i have a 2001 subaru outback (hatchback).
About your comment about American cars lasting longer than imports, puhlease :
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=29834
Do you know how many recalls Ford of America has had in the past three years? Too many.
And I\'m not sure what you meant about the street racing comment. Japanese and European cars are more suited to circuit track racing and not drag racing.
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Look at the last time america was making *real* cars. The 60\'s and 70\'s. Some will also argue the 50\'s, so I guess 50\'s-70\'s.
Now look how many you see running around today. And no, not just ones with total resto\'s either.
Now how many toyos from the 60\'s or nissans from the 70\'s do you see running around?
So I\'m also going to jump in the boat with nicon and say that american cars last longer.
Imports are more reliable though. :D
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Datsun (now Nissan), Honda, Subaru and Toyota didn\'t have that many (if any at all) imports in the 60\'s and really didn\'t get popular until the late 70\'s during Carter\'s administration (OPEC crisis). There are still a few Subaru 360\'s running around from the 60\'s. I did have a Datsun 210 from 1979 but sold it a few years ago.
70\'s model Toyota Carolla\'s in Asia are still running around. My brother\'s \'75 Lancer is still being used by my cousins in the Pacific. Same engine but with a rebuilt tranny, of course.
My dad\'s Ford Maverick broke down in the highway with only 500 miles on the odometer.
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Your point? My aunt bought a 7series bimmer 2 years ago. It broke down on her 4 days later. That can happen to any new car.
fine...late 60\'s and all through the 70\'\'s. There were alot of imports sold here during those years.
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Originally posted by luckee
Your point? My aunt bought a 7series bimmer 2 years ago. It broke down on her 4 days later. That can happen to any new car.
Yes it can but more than likely, in an American car. Come on, why would so many Americans have this feeling against domestic cars?
Reliability, craftsmanship, quality, longevity = Import cars > domestic cars.
I\'ll take the average import over any averge domestic any day.
luckee, I suggest wearing knee pads in your Neon. :p
And there weren\'t THAT many imports in the 70\'s compared to the 80\'s, 90\'s and today.
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And where do you live GMAN? See i live in chicago, one of the most out of wack cities for weather. Trust me, Its snowing one day and 75 degrees the next. When i look around and see the ratio of old imports to old domestics, domestic cars simply out do imports. Sure imports may be more reliable in some cases, but domestics are cheap and easy to get fixed. Its easy to see these things and imports may be hot but in the long run, the caddies etc. will be the ones still here from the same decade.
On note of your link: If they made crappy cars then they must have been doing something right with the older cars cause even the crappy ones are still here.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Yes it can but more than likely, in an American car. Come on, why would so many Americans have this feeling against domestic cars?
Reliability, craftsmanship, quality, longevity = Import cars > domestic cars.
I\'ll take the average import over any averge domestic any day.
luckee, I suggest wearing knee pads in your Neon. :p
And there weren\'t THAT many imports in the 70\'s compared to the 80\'s, 90\'s and today.
More than likely nothing. If a problem is going to occur within one month of any new car, it\'s a crap shoot as to if it will be a domestic or import.
Reliablitly, craftsmanship, and qulaity yes...
longetivity-no..I though we just went through this.
I would as well. That choice also depends on my intentions with said vehicle.
And yes, quite a bit were out and about. If you were older, you would know. Hell, I was born in 78 and I still have noticed how many were sold vs. how many were/are on the road.
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You live in Florida. A retirement state for old folks who need big American cars that are putted around like golf carts. Obviously, where you live, the rate of domestics/imports will favor domestic. Go to California.
And I am older. And yes, we did go through the fact that imports last longer than domestics. Mercedes has a number of cars in the US with close to or over a million miles. BMW and Toyota will outlast any American car. Hell, which cars break down more often? American? How the hell do you think it\'s gonna last longer? You said it yourself! RELIABILITY!
Sheesh! You\'ve been sniffing too much nitrous.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
And where do you live GMAN? See i live in chicago, one of the most out of wack cities for weather. Trust me, Its snowing one day and 75 degrees the next. When i look around and see the ratio of old imports to old domestics, domestic cars simply out do imports. Sure imports may be more reliable in some cases, but domestics are cheap and easy to get fixed. Its easy to see these things and imports may be hot but in the long run, the caddies etc. will be the ones still here from the same decade.
On note of your link: If they made crappy cars then they must have been doing something right with the older cars cause even the crappy ones are still here.
I live in a similar city to yours. Your city is fairly close Detroit, so...DUH! There\'s gonna be more domestics! And since this is America, there will be more domestic cars! DUH! Jeez! Why are you even arguing? You have no case!
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personally i love American cars/SUV\'s the only things that would take me away from American cars is an Aussie car (*points to avy and last link in sig) or a German car.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Mercedes has a number of cars in the US with close to or over a million miles.
I know GMC has atleast one, and IIRC Ford might have one too :)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
You live in Florida. A retirement state for old folks who need big American cars that are putted around like golf carts. Obviously, where you live, the rate of domestics/imports will favor domestic. Go to California.
And I am older. And yes, we did go through the fact that imports last longer than domestics. Mercedes has a number of cars in the US with close to or over a million miles. BMW and Toyota will outlast any American car. Hell, which cars break down more often? American? How the hell do you think it\'s gonna last longer? You said it yourself! RELIABILITY!
Sheesh! You\'ve been sniffing too much nitrous.
I\'ve only lived in florida for about a year and a half. And there are wayyyy more imports than domestivs down here. Try again. The only mercedes that still roll with no probl.(older ones that is) are the diesels. Got any clue how many american diesels are capable of those same numbers?
Reliability and longetivity are connected, but loosely and are different things. I\'ve already agreed that imps are usually far more reliable, but they usually dont last as long..simple fact.
I dont screw with nitrous and havent for 5 years. Havent used it *recreationally* since 92\'
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Originally posted by luckee
I\'ve only lived in florida for about a year and a half. And there are wayyyy more imports than domestivs down here. Try again. The only mercedes that still roll with no probl.(older ones that is) are the diesels. Got any clue how many american diesels are capable of those same numbers?
Reliability and longetivity are connected, but loosely and are different things. I\'ve already agreed that imps are usually far more reliable, but they usually dont last as long..simple fact.
Fact?
You mean to tell me, that an unreliable American car will outlast a reliable import without a rebuilt engine or transmission? Without a premature breakdown of its clutch?
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GmanJoe not to go off topic but you sound like someone from nasioc or i-club...hehe
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The only good thing about current domestics is Corvettes and Cadillacs. :p You just can\'t find those kinds of cars anywhere else in the world.