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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: luckee on June 18, 2003, 09:27:50 AM
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http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2274456/detail.html
Teen Fatally Shot, Abandoned In Front Of Home
Suspect In Custody
UPDATED: 4:32 p.m. PDT June 17, 2003
LOS ANGELES -- Authorities arrested a Rowland Heights man Tuesday for the fatal shooting of a 15-year-old boy who was with a group of people allegedly trying to steal a tire and rim from the suspect\'s car.
The car owner was booked at the Los Angeles County sheriff\'s Walnut Station and held without bail, said Deputy Alba Yates. The man\'s name was withheld.
Investigators said he caught Andrew Rocha and three others trying to steal the tire and rim just before 11:15 p.m. Monday.
"The owner, while armed with a handgun, confronted the males, and a shot was fired while he was trying to apprehend the males," Yates said.
Andrew, who had recently finished the ninth grade at John A. Rowland High School, was found dead in the back seat of an abandoned gray, late-model Ford Mustang. It was parked on the front lawn of the boy\'s home in the 18600 block of Barroso Street. A large hole had been blasted into the back window at head level.
The dead boy reportedly had gone out last night with several people. It was unclear whether any of them would face immediate charges.
The dead teen\'s uncle, Sergio Rocha, sobbed Tuesday over the loss of his nephew.
Rocha said Andrew had recently helped him move into a new home. He said Andrew\'s father dropped the youth off last night, then got word about 45 minutes later that a shooting had occurred.
"He\'s a good kid, good family," the uncle sobbed. "(I) can\'t understand why. Why would somebody do something like that?"
Thoughts? I\'ll post mine when I get a bit more time.
*EDIT* This might belong in current events, so mods if you feel to, just move it for me please. :)
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The more kids that are killed while stealing rims means less stolen rims.
Moral of the story: Don\'t steal rims.
How many people would still try something if they knew that the person would open fire on them?
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You lead the life you choose.
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Opportunity Risk???
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Thank God no one has come on and said, "Poor boy. He didn\'t know what he was doing. So sad to see him go."
Horse kaka.. How much you want to bet this isn\'t the first time he\'s tried to steal rims.
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I like how his uncle said he was a good kid. I don\'t think so.
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He is now.
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Occupational Hazard. Punishment doesn\'t exactly fit the crime, but getting shot at is a risk you take when making a living by stealing.
"An armed society is a polite society"
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He knew the risk. He paid the price and while it may of been an expensive price, he still paid.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Thank God no one has come on and said, "Poor boy. He didn\'t know what he was doing. So sad to see him go."
Horse kaka.. How much you want to bet this isn\'t the first time he\'s tried to steal rims.
if anybody does come and say that we should bitchslap them.
"Rocha said Andrew had recently helped him move into a new home. He said Andrew\'s father dropped the youth off last night, then got word about 45 minutes later that a shooting had occurred.
"He\'s a good kid, good family," the uncle sobbed. "(I) can\'t understand why. Why would somebody do something like that?""
my gawd what a f\'n clich\'e.
the only thing that annoys me about this story is that the other guys were not shot.
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You mean people got away? Dang, well hopefully after seeing their buddy die maybe they will rethink their ways.
Either that or they will hate even more and make sure they take a gun when they go out stealing.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Thank God no one has come on and said, "Poor boy. He didn\'t know what he was doing. So sad to see him go."
Horse kaka.. How much you want to bet this isn\'t the first time he\'s tried to steal rims.
luckee hasn\'t posted his thoughts yet and I have a feeling... ;)
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Nah, he\'s a tuner. He\'s probably rolling on some dubz right now.
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Anybody tries to steal my rims will be shot in the knee caps, then the elbows and then the balls. Then I\'ll cut him up....alive.....and feed the alligators in Florida with it.
Or I\'ll call the cops. :p
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I see enough ppl have said something.
This is my take.
While he knew he could have been severly ****ed up as the case is...I have no sympathy for the kid.
As for the owner of said car,rims, and gun...he deserves every bit of those 7 years.
As for the facts I have picked up on this, the guy was in no inherent danger. A shot in the air would have stopped the kids just as easily as the shot to his head.
rimsa and tires are NO reason to take a life. Hell I just had my radio stolen a few days ago. If I caught them, sure I would beat their asses. Hell, Id probably have one of my guns with me. But in no way would I take their lives over the shit.
If he was in my house or creeping around my windows, he would probably have gotten more than one in the head.
So my next question is this....
For those that say he deserved it..I\'ll just go ahead and assume you have never EVER stolen ANYTHING in your lives at all. Otherwise you will be a hyporcrite. Im also willing to bet that maybe one or two other ppl in here have never honestlystolen a thing.
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what is/are rims?
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You start with stealing rims, then your stealing cars. Then you are taking people\'s cars at gun point.
Sucks for aomeone to die, but hey, he chose to steal. They do far worse to people in other countries so whatever.
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if you wanna steal something, you have to face the consequences, being either beaten up in jail, shot or what ever.....
he took the risk, the risk did not pay off
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Never stolen one thing in my life.
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me either, dunno if thats to be proud of or not???
well i guess i have kinda, but not on purpose, ive bought say a £ 10 phone voucher, but they gave me 2.... or one time i bought a mag ( ops2 which is £5.50), and lots of other stuff, s n crisps, pot noodles, choc, drink etc, and it came to about £4
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Originally posted by videoholic
You start with stealing rims, then your stealing cars. Then you are taking people\'s cars at gun point.
Sucks for aomeone to die, but hey, he chose to steal. They do far worse to people in other countries so whatever.
The what? Murder for no reason...Serial killing?? Eating ppl?
Next you will be spewing the mary jane propaganda being a gateway like I see you did above.
politepet...rims as the are often refeered to are just wheels for a car. Most only call them rims when someone has bought a set of aftermarket ones, usually coupled with expsensive tires as well.
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Originally posted by politiepet
what is/are rims?
rims are hubcaps aren\'t they? either that or there just the alloy part of the wheel (which would mean you\'d have to steal the whole thing/wheel).
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hubcaps are exactly what they are. A cap that fits on your wheel. It\'s what many low budget cars have. Basic no big whoop wheels and then covers.
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so the guy was stealing hupcaps or alloy wheels?
he deserves to get shot if he was stealing hubcaps.
=loser.
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Well if the guy knew he was in no danger at all. I don\'t think he should have killed the boy.
I mean you never know you look out and see someone stilling your rims whos to say they don\'t have gun. That is a risk you take with stealing.
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Kill someone because he was stealing rims???Its like sentencing someone to death for stealing.What age are we living?The Cowboy age?
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I kind of agree with lukee but I would have done it a bit different.
If I caught somebody trying to steal my car, I will grab my USP and yell "freeze or I\'ll fire", if he freeze then I\'ll tell my mom or someone in the house to call the cops, if not I\'ll "shoot to stop" I do not want this kid to run away free as he might come back to try to steal my ride again. And remember don\'t do this if your the only one in the house that knows how to fire a gun. You need at least someone else there to back you up in a situation like this ( maybe that\'s why I train my GF and mother to at least know how to make some decent shoots)
Lukee\'s right, it doesn\'t justify in killing somebody just for some rims, but it does to me at least to keep him off the street, again meaning shoot to stop. Not shoot to kill.
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I agree the guy overstepped his bounds with what luckee pointed out. But the dude shouldn\'t have been stealing them in the first place so I don\'t feel sorry for him.
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I suppose breaking and entering is not grounds for shooting the intruder as well.
And should the criminal hurt himself stealing my rims, I would probably be responsible for it if he pulled his back muscle.
Have I ever stolen anything in my life? Well....let\'s see. I took a mint on the way out of a restaurant. I think that was free. Um...oh yeah, I bought a jacket for 80% off. It was a STEAL!
If you were stealing food, that\'s one thing. But to steal rims? Nope. You will pay dearly. Comes with the territory, boyz and goyles. When you steal, don\'t expect luckee to be there to wag his finger at you as he says "That\'s a no no!". More than likely, you\'ll meet someone like me who\'ll bash your skull in with a sledge hammer. You\'re stealing from me. My hard earned property? God be with you if I catch you.
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Originally posted by luckee
"The owner, while armed with a handgun, confronted the males, and a shot was fired while he was trying to apprehend the males," Yates said.
Andrew, who had recently finished the ninth grade at John A. Rowland High School, was found dead in the back seat of an abandoned gray, late-model Ford Mustang. It was parked on the front lawn of the boy\'s home in the 18600 block of Barroso Street. A large hole had been blasted into the back window at head level.
It doesn\'t seem that the guy tried to kill the kid. It seem\'s to me that the guy most likely took a wild shot at the car as it was driving away. The blasted out back window give\'s me that idea. I don\'t think the kid should have died but I don\'t feel sorry for him or his family...
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I don\'t like how the media makes the kid out to be an innocent victim, but on the other hand he didn\'t deserve to die for what he did, but in the spur of the moment type thing the guy probably shot at the kids not trying to kill them but merely harm or stop the kids from stealing his wheels. Question is what would you have done if the kid was stealing your wheels that you paid 2 large a piece for
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Viewing the US from across the pond we get the impression that there is a very large gun culture and just about every house has a one (at least).
That makes anyone stealing just stupid and they deserve everything they get, the thieves are Americans so they should know the territory and know that this gun culture not only brings weaponry, there are people connected to the end of each weapon just waiting to justify their purchase.
F*ck em, he broke the law and got killed then there can be no complaints. If he didn\'t break the law at that point then he wouldn\'t have been killed, it\'s entirely his doing.
We have a quote file here in my office to write down choice statements that just come out sometimes, here\'s one from the archives.
"I wouldn\'t shed a tear if all car thieves were killed on live television,.............I\'d give my left knacker to see it again".
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Originally posted by mjps21983
I don\'t like how the media makes the kid out to be an innocent victim, but on the other hand he didn\'t deserve to die for what he did, but in the spur of the moment type thing the guy probably shot at the kids not trying to kill them but merely harm or stop the kids from stealing his wheels. Question is what would you have done if the kid was stealing your wheels that you paid 2 large a piece for
If I paid 2 large for each wheel it definately justifies a shooting, maybe a warning shot first but only if I wasn\'t woken up at too stupid-an-hour. It depends on the circumstances which is why the thieving little sod has no grounds for complaint, you can\'t judge the mental state of the guy who owns the car so why bother pushing him?
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Originally posted by luckee
So my next question is this....
For those that say he deserved it..I\'ll just go ahead and assume you have never EVER stolen ANYTHING in your lives at all. Otherwise you will be a hyporcrite.
You are correct, I have never stolen a thing in my life, if I can\'t afford something I won\'t get it, plain and simple.
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I have the same attitude with this as I do with signing contracts. If I don\'t read the small print and end up getting screwed then it\'s MY FAULT, it\'s the same with this, just a little more extreme.
I have stolen before, small things like pick & mix from a shop, crap like that. I wouldn\'t have had any complaints had I been caught.
I just think the whole crime and punishment issue needs to be seriously looked at, we seem to live in a world where no-one is accountable for their actions, there\'s always someone or something else to blame, to almost deflect the attention away from the fact that what was happening was actually a crime. People need to sort themselves the f*ck out, grow up and stop moaning, you reap what you sow most of the time.
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Cause and effect.
It\'s not the rims that cost the boy his life. It\'s his act of stealing that led to his death.
No one is saying that his life is no more valuable than the rims. Not at all. But some people, not all, will focus on that too much. I know the media and the boy\'s lawyers will, probably the district prosecutor.
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Don\'t know who he was effin wit!
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hmmmm, I personally think no one deserves to die over stilling rims or anything for that matter, unless it\'s aggravated burglary, assault and theft or murder. To protect yourself etc.
People change; I’ve got mates that have done stupid shit like stealing cars. EVERY one of them have great jobs and are highly qualified. (Not in illegal work)
Hubs are a cost item that can be replaced by insurance. If you don\'t have insurance, you shouldn\'t have a expensive car or car with expensive parts.. The 15 year old boy did deserve punishment, but not death. He was young and stupid, but he could have changed, not everyone turns out to be killers and thieves if they’ve stolen in their childhood. To think so is pretty arrogant.
If you had a kid, that stole something so trivial. Would you want him DEAD at 15 for it?
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Life in parts of LA is quite rough. When you steal stuff from a car in LA, you are at extreme risk of losing your life should you be caught. The theives knew this and they chose to take that risk. The culture in East LA is crazy.
And why did they leave the boy in front of the house and not take him to the hospital?
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Why you ask?
Think about it...they were 15..stealing..and just had their *friend* killed. I dont think anyone was thinkly clearly, nor do I think any of them were all that bright.
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Me and a buddy of mine used to steal stuff all the time when we were younger. Looking back now I can admit that we were stupid and we were just dumbasses looking for a thrill. I like thinking that it was ages ago, but we got crazy with stealing (cars and such) in the summer of 2000. Now i\'m married and my buddy is getting married in October, we are such different people now it\'s not even funny.
We were just a couple of bored middle class kids who had nothing better to do (or so we thought) with our time than to steal and vandalize. We actually had a guy pull a shotgun on us once, he thought we were gonna steal stuff from his shop..but we just were gonna stop by to see how much it cost to fix my car. I feel bad for that kid dying over something that maybe he was pressured into by his friends to do, or maybe just wanted a thrill like me and my buddy used to.
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Originally posted by Green Meanie
F*ck em, he broke the law and got killed then there can be no complaints. If he didn\'t break the law at that point then he wouldn\'t have been killed, it\'s entirely his doing.
We have a quote file here in my office to write down choice statements that just come out sometimes, here\'s one from the archives.
"I wouldn\'t shed a tear if all car thieves were killed on live television,.............I\'d give my left knacker to see it again".
So funny how you ripped the US for getting rid of Saddam who killed so many innocent people yet you think it\'s fine to kill a guy who steals rims. Beautiful.
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Originally posted by videoholic
So funny how you ripped the US for getting rid of Saddam who killed so many innocent people yet you think it\'s fine to kill a guy who steals rims. Beautiful.
Well, he was stealing. Hardly innocent. :)
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Yeah, but Saddam wasn\'t exactly innocent either. That\'s my point.
Saddam killed innocent people and he came down on us for taking him out.
This dude killed a bad kid and he\'s all for it.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Yeah, but Saddam wasn\'t exactly innocent either. That\'s my point.
Saddam killed innocent people and he came down on us for taking him out.
This dude killed a bad kid and he\'s all for it.
Ah sorry, I misread your post. Thought it was something about the US killing innocent people trying to get Saddam. That\'s what you get lurking around while being tired. :D
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You seem to misunderstand me, reasons for the Gulf War (the sequel) were bullshit, I\'m not totally anti-war, I just think it requires more justification than blatant paranoia.
Anyway, enough of that shit, we\'ve already argued enough about that and will never find a common ground.
I just think that the thieving little scrote with no respect for someone elses property paid the ultimate price, if he had not been a twat he\'d still be alive. That\'s why I say f*ck him.
Scumbags hurt in the line of scumbaggery get no sympathy.
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Dude, you need to re-read what you wrote.
"I\'m not totally anti-war, I just think it requires more justification than blatant paranoia."
Dude shot a kid stealing a rim? Kid wasn\'t coming after him, this isn\'t paranoia?
"I just think that the thieving little scrote with no respect for someone elses property paid the ultimate price, if he had not been a twat he\'d still be alive. That\'s why I say f*ck him."
Saddam stole billions of dollars in oil money. Killed hundreds of thousands of people who would even think to speak out even a peep against him. and you don\'t say f*ck him?
"Scumbags hurt in the line of scumbaggery get no sympathy."
I couldn\'t have said it better myself.