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Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: FifaSeriesFan on June 27, 2003, 09:43:25 AM
"The findings were kind of a surprise. One might have expected to see more impairment of higher mental function," said Dr. Igor Grant, a UCSD professor of psychiatry and the study\'s lead author. Other illegal drugs, or even alcohol, can cause brain damage.

His team analyzed data from 15 previously published, controlled studies into the impact of long-term, recreational cannabis use on the neurocognitive ability of adults.

The studies tested the mental functions of routine pot smokers, but not while they were actually high, Grant said.

The results, published in the July issue of the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, show that marijuana has only a marginally harmful long-term effect on learning and memory.

No effect at all was seen on other functions, including reaction time, attention, language, reasoning ability, and perceptual and motor skills.

Grant said the findings are particularly significant amid questions about marijuana\'s long-term toxicity now that several states are considering whether to make it available as a medicinal drug.

In California, growing marijuana for medical purposes is legal under a voter-approved law.

The UCSD analysis of studies involving 704 long-term cannabis users and 484 nonusers was sponsored by a state-supported program that oversees research into the use of cannabis to treat certain diseases.

Anecdotal evidence has shown that marijuana can help ease pain in patients with diseases like multiple sclerosis or prevent severe nausea in cancer patients, but the effects have yet to be proven in controlled studies, Grant said.

The UCSD research team said the problems observed in learning and forgetting suggest that long-term marijuana use results in selective memory defects, but said the impact was of a very small magnitude.

"If we barely find this tiny effect in long-term heavy users of cannabis, then we are unlikely to see deleterious side effects in individuals who receive cannabis for a short time in a medical setting," Grant said.

In addition, he noted that heavy marijuana users often abuse other drugs, such as alcohol and amphetamines, which also might have long-term neurological effects.

Some of the research studies used in the analysis were limited by the numbers of subjects or insufficient information about factors like exposure to other drugs or whether participants suffered from conditions like depression or personality disorders.

"If it turned out that new studies find that cannabis is helpful in treating some medical conditions, this enables us to see a marginal level of safety," Grant said.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: mm on June 27, 2003, 10:26:29 AM
tell that to tommy chong
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: kopking on June 27, 2003, 10:43:35 AM
no lie, my dad when younger looks just like tommy chong, ill try to find a old pic, and scan it, and he smokes just like him too, and my mum....lol
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: videoholic on June 27, 2003, 10:53:15 AM
Doesn\'t say anywhere who spondored the research.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: luckee on June 27, 2003, 11:21:01 AM
It usually doesnt vid.


Anywho..this info has been around for years and no one will listen to it, so yet another study that wont do anything unfortunatly.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: mm on June 27, 2003, 11:29:27 AM
heavy pot usage will make you stupid, just like any drug or even alcohol

that can\'t be contested
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: Coredweller on June 27, 2003, 11:35:28 AM
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Originally posted by mm
heavy pot usage will make you stupid, just like any drug or even alcohol

that can\'t be contested
Actually that seems to be exactly what this study is contesting.  :)

I too know people who are/were potheads, and are somewhat stupid.  Maybe we should consider... they could have been like that before the pot.  Or, like the article says, they could have been taking other stuff too.  I know Tommy Chong certainly sampled more drugs than just marajuana.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: CHIZZY on June 27, 2003, 11:37:31 AM
I am living proof that pot is A-OK for your brain.

OK, so I\'m an idiot...
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: Kurt Angle on June 27, 2003, 11:55:37 AM
Who the hell is Tommy Chong?
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: Ginko on June 27, 2003, 12:05:38 PM
I\'ve seen proof.  One of my classmates would smoke before, during, and after school every single day.  I don\'t think there was ever a time I had seen him that he wasn\'t high.

Anyway, now he can\'t remember names and it\'s extremely difficult to hold a conversation with him.

Memory loss will make you stupid...
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: Big Log on June 27, 2003, 12:11:36 PM
Cheech and Chong!!!  Up in Smoke!!  Freaking classic.

I\'m not even three and I\'m hizzy to the Chongman.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: EmperorRob on June 27, 2003, 03:38:23 PM
Well this "study"/smoking was done in California.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: Coredweller on June 27, 2003, 04:00:37 PM
See, don\'t say we never did anything for ya.  :)
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: mm on June 27, 2003, 04:14:42 PM
im not saying pot is bad, just more than "moderate" usage is
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
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Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: SirMystiq on June 27, 2003, 10:11:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ginko
I\'ve seen proof.  One of my classmates would smoke before, during, and after school every single day.  I don\'t think there was ever a time I had seen him that he wasn\'t high.

Anyway, now he can\'t remember names and it\'s extremely difficult to hold a conversation with him.

Memory loss will make you stupid...


It was probably b/c he was high at the time.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: luckee on June 28, 2003, 02:21:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by mm
im not saying pot is bad, just more than "moderate" usage is


Just like excess of damn near anything in life is bad for a person. :)
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: ddaryl on June 28, 2003, 03:49:11 PM
Not surprised

been doing it since I was 14

I\'m 34

Recently went back to school after I was laid off from Boeing

So far after one year my GPA is 3.97



I also did a research paper for psychology on medicinal marijuana. There was a test done in Europe. I believe England. They researched individuals who smoked pot sometimes, all the time, never, and a few who did and quit.

IQ scores for those who smoked 5+ joints a day had a decrease in IQ. (No surprise here. If you\'re smoking 5+ j\'s a day then your obviously not spending much of your  time excersing the mind)

Those who smoked less then 5 joints a day to occasionally actually had a 5 point increase in IQ

Those who did and quit maintained status quo

all the above situations were compared to those indivduals who never smoked mj.


I can go on and on about the BS the Gov feeds the masses in its "War on Drugs"

I do agree that narcotics (cocaine, heroine, methaphetamine) are very dangerous and should remain illegal, but soft drugs of organic nature should be tolerated and decriminalized.

Fact !!! Alcohol is more dangerous in short and long term effects then mj is.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: ddaryl on June 28, 2003, 03:54:11 PM
Quote
Originally posted by luckee


Just like excess of damn near anything in life is bad for a person. :)


Too much of everything is just enough !!!!


Naw , anybody obsessed with anything is going to cause damage to oneself. Heck there are a few people around here with damaging video game habits.


Take to much aspirin over a lifetime and you might get sever ulcers.

Drink too much, eat too much, smoke too much, jerk off too much.

the list goes on
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: Living-In-Clip on June 28, 2003, 03:55:58 PM
I rather be on the road with someone high, because that man is goin\' be goin\' as slow as possible..As opposed to the man who is drunk and is speeding and can\'t walk a straight line.. That\'s just my two cents.

I don\'t smoke pot, but I see no valid reason not to make it legal.

You can say it\'s bad for you, but so is smokin\' and that\'s legal.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: ddaryl on June 28, 2003, 04:00:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ginko
I\'ve seen proof.  One of my classmates would smoke before, during, and after school every single day.  I don\'t think there was ever a time I had seen him that he wasn\'t high.

Anyway, now he can\'t remember names and it\'s extremely difficult to hold a conversation with him.

Memory loss will make you stupid...



Sounds like your friend here was doing the classic 5+ joints a day routine.

Thats a damaging habit. But since your friend is so young I have to believe he has his hands in harder stuff. 5+ joints a day would take 20 + years and probably more then that to have that kind of effect.

Heck Keith Richards had a lifetime of major abuse to get like that, your friend smoked pot during his high school years and he has the dialect of Ozzy Osbourne (another lifetime abuse award recipient, and awesome musician)

Has to be the harder stuff.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: Skyrider666 on June 28, 2003, 04:50:38 PM
How did Chong Die??

I\'m going down town,gonna see my girl.Oh Yeah
Gonna sing her a song.
Gonna show her my ding dong.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: Coredweller on June 28, 2003, 06:06:23 PM
What are you smoking?  :laughing:

Tommy Chong ain\'t dead, man!  If he were, there would be a massive worldwide outpouring of grief!  :)
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: Lord Nicon on June 28, 2003, 10:14:18 PM
I studied this as well and yes i have smoked the chiba and not that often. Actually, i think people are mostly against it because it is labeled as a drug and it is a "gateway" drug. Alcohol is basically still considered a drug but isnt displayed or advertised as one. I mean it kills braincells. Thats what alcohol does. Smoking too. I think its the fact that weed gets you out of it quicker and say you spend 50 bux on a quarter ounce. If you are responsible enough, it will last you, (depending on wether or not you are a lightweight etc). Alcohol first and formost is a downer if you put it in a category and alcohol can make ones mood worse. Violence can also be provoked where weed is exaclty the opposite, (unless you are just a cranky ass smoker). That said i do find certain things wrong with weed as well as anything else, but under certain regulation i belive it would fine. As for responsiveness, I belive that smoking 5 times a day is rediculous. Its reckless and retarded. Its like being drunk 2/3 of the day. But if its clean weed then it isnt that bad in the right hands.

Smoking and driving of course would be illegal and smoking in the household etc and carrying weed would be leagal. If companies produced it then it could bring more money into the country and maybe they could ban the independent selling of it. Of course if they raise the prices then thats not kool.

W/E I have talked to much and wasted my time. I just think that people make it out to be worse than it is but responsibility is important.

Ok Im done.
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: Skyrider666 on June 29, 2003, 04:23:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Coredweller
What are you smoking?  :laughing:

Tommy Chong ain\'t dead, man!  If he were, there would be a massive worldwide outpouring of grief!  :)


Well what happened to him then?
Title: Study: Pot Doesn\'t Cause Permanent Brain Damage
Post by: mm on June 29, 2003, 05:01:53 PM
he\'s been making movies (squirrel master in half baked) and even was on "that 70\'s show" for a while