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Man Gets Life in Prison for Spitting
Thu July 3, 2003 07:53 AM ET
OKLAHOMA CITY (Reuters) - An Oklahoma man arrested on suspicion of beating his wife faced year in prison and a fine. But when he spit in an arresting officer\'s face, he got a life sentence instead, officials said on Wednesday.
John Carl Marquez, 36, was convicted of "placing bodily fluid upon a government employee," a felony that can carry a life sentence because of the possibility of transmitting a potentially deadly disease.
State judge April Sellers White sentenced Marquez this week even though Marquez and the officer tested negative for any communicable disease.
Marquez also was convicted of assaulting a police officer, and a jury recommended the maximum sentence because he had previous convictions.
Marquez, arrested several months ago, could have received one year in prison and a $3,000 fine for wife beating, according to the Creek County court clerk\'s office.
His lawyers said they plan to appeal.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=3032296
Let me get this straight. I can go kill someone and maybe get 15 years, but if I spit in a cops face in the heat o f the moment, I get a life sentence?
Further proof the US system is going down the toilet.
Thoughts?
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I saw it yesterday in a mexican channel (Primer Impacto) and I must agree with you in that the USA system is pathetic.
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That\'s pretty stupid, it\'s not as though he jizzed on him.
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and even if he did..life????????
WTF is wrong with this picture. :(
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#1 thats not the US system, thats the oklahoma system
#2 spitting in someones face is attemped homicide
someone spits in my face? kill him
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mm, if the president of USA allows to keep under arrest a man who spites to a policeman in one of his states, that\'s not the Oklahoma law, but the USA law.
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so, how did the president get involved in this?
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The guy was prosecuted in a state court for breaking a state law. It doesn\'t have anything to do with Federal law or George Bush. This is particularly true, given that Bush is always arguing for shrinking the Federal government and increasing state\'s rights and responsibilities.
With that shift in responsibility comes some risk, because you put more power into the hands idiotic state legislatures that pass absurd unconstitutional laws. Reactionary governors appoint underqualified state judges who like to like to hand out maximum sentences because it makes them look like they\'re "tough on crime." The real fault in this case however was the jury. The defendent probably couldn\'t afford a good attorney, so he couldn\'t afford the time to do a good jury selection. The jury hears "wife beater" and "previous convictions" and "assaulting a police officer" and they think this is their one opportunity in life to GET EVEN WITH THE BAD GUYS. So they give him life.
That\'s the way our justice system works now. Juries hand out sentences not based on what you actually did in this one situation, but what you did before (and were already punished for) or what they think you\'re going to do in the future. It\'s all driven by fear, packaged and hyped on the evening news every night.
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Life might be harsh but the scumbag is a wife beater and probably has other little gems on his record.
Ace
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You guys are passing judgement and all you know is this one small part of this mans life. This guy could have a huge rap sheet and they may have been trying their hardest to find something to pin on this guy to get him more than just a wife beating charge. When this occured they jumped on it.
Don\'t just assume the guy only hit his wife and spit on a cop.
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You\'re talking about prosecution and I\'m talking about sentencing. I think it\'s fine to prosecute someone on a lesser charge if you can\'t get them on a greater charge for some reason. But you\'ve got to sentence them based on the crime you\'re charging them with. You can\'t charge someone with jaywalking and then give them life in prision because "oh yeah, we know you did that murder too."
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Originally posted by Coredweller
You\'re talking about prosecution and I\'m talking about sentencing. I think it\'s fine to prosecute someone on a lesser charge if you can\'t get them on a greater charge for some reason. But you\'ve got to sentence them based on the crime you\'re charging them with. You can\'t charge someone with jaywalking and then give them life in prision because "oh yeah, we know you did that murder too."
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Originally posted by mm
#1 thats not the US system, thats the oklahoma system
#2 spitting in someones face is attemped homicide
someone spits in my face? kill him
Wonders what world mm is from. Someone spitting in your face is deserving of death? I do believe G.W. and you would get along well. Shoot first, and too dumb to ask questions later. :burn:
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could you do a better job then GWB? no, then STFU please
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Originally posted by mm
could you do a better job then GWB? no, then STFU please
Thank you for your typical response mm. ;)
Seriously, the U.S. is a strange place anymore. It is filled with idea\'s like this when our prison system is overcrowded to the point where they are releasing true criminals.
Dude would have got less time if he had killed his wife. There is somthing wrong with a system that allows this Bullsh*t.
So far as his wife. If she was beaten by him on a daily basis. Well that is her own fault. I believe in all this equal rights stuff. She is not a weaker sex. They are in the military killing people. Thus she should have the gonads to get her lazy a** up, and get out of that house. Lord knows she would have come out on top in Divorce court.
Last thought. People that are braggadocios tend to be pussy\'s in real life, and would not kill someone that spit in their face. IMHO
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Originally posted by mm
could you do a better job then GWB? no, then STFU please
My dog probably could..........What job is GWB doing? For him the war in Iraq is over, done for, does that mean everybody over there is happy? Aren\'t soldiers still dying? But who cares right, Saddam and the "threat" have been eliminated so the war is over for him. So please stop with the "put yourself in somebody elses shoes(GWB)" crap b/c I roach can rule better than he has.
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I agree with capcom. Women this days have so many freaking rights, but they never take advantage. Divorce who always gets the kids? Who gets half the money? If there is some girl that is getting beat every day of her life and she doesn\'t do anything about it, she deserves to be beat. Unless shes "in love" with him and "can\'t live without him" like so many wifes that get beat tend to use as an excuse.
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:rolleyes:
(i wanted to use the mega one)
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I am amazed by the ignorance that anyone has. You have to be ignorant to support any remote idea that someone can go to jail for spitting on a cop. I can see some jail time and a fine, but come on, a life sentence? Give me a frickin\' break and don\'t even try this "he\'s a wife beater" thing. People make mistakes and they recover from them. It\'s possible he made a mistake and in the heat of it spit on a cops face...So, we sentence him to life, while other people are getting 10 - 15 years for actually KILLING someone? Seriously, the US justice system is messed up and people who support that are messed up in the head.
And don\'t try the "well..he may of had a rap sheet..etc". If they couldn\'t charge them for the others - then there is no reason to go looking for the most trivial reasons. It\'s complete and utter bullsh!t.
You guys are passing judgement and all you know is this one small part of this mans life. This guy could have a huge rap sheet and they may have been trying their hardest to find something to pin on this guy to get him more than just a wife beating charge. When this occured they jumped on it.
Don\'t just assume the guy only hit his wife and spit on a cop.
And by this quote, you are assuming he did have a huge rap sheet . It makes no difference. We can\'t go grabbing people up for lesser charges, just because we lack enough evidence to charge them with actual harmful crimes .
#1 thats not the US system, thats the oklahoma system
#2 spitting in someones face is attemped homicide
someone spits in my face? kill him
You missed something. It\'s a deadly weapon when used against a goverment employee . If I spit on your grave - it would not give you any legal right to kill me. No, self defense would not work.
Do you think that spitting is actually attempted homicide? Give me a freakin\' break!
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If I have AIDS and I spit in your eye, is that an attempt to kill you if I know full well what I am doing? You bet it is!
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first of all no woman should ever be hit and not there fault god
guys what would you do if your sister was be hit by her boyfriend
are going say it her fault because she love him come on some
woman are scare to leave their husband or boyfriends because
there afraid they will get kill or kids get hurt you do know when
guy beating his wife or girlfriend they them that will kill them if
they leave them . oh the guy who spit cop was stupid but come
on he doesn\'t ned life in prision it just show you that cops can are above the law
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The HIV virus is not transmitted by saliva, so no, it\'s not attempted murder.
Also for you individuals who are arguing that it\'s the woman\'s fault when her husband or boyfriend beats her, I suggest you revise your opinions. You\'re displaying a remarkable level of youthful ignorance. The only way you could hold this view is if you\'ve never seen a real case of domestic abuse, never met the victim, and basically don\'t have a fricking clue what you\'re talking about.
Should you ever get a girlfriend, and tell her your views on this subject, I guarantee you will catch hell. Women understand it, and the only ones who don\'t are 1) Boys (probably you) and 2) adult male abusers. I\'m hoping you are #1, and not #2.
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OK then what if I decide to squirt you with AIDS infected blood?
Are you talking to me about my views on wife beaters? I think it\'s clear that I think this type of individual is lower than scum.
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2nd part wasn\'t for you, Ace. It was for two people above.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
2nd part wasn\'t for you, Ace. It was for two people above.
Whatever happened to personal responsibility? If I were in a relationship where on a weekly basis I caight my wife trying to cut my schlong off. If I chose to stay, then I would be paid for.
If I have AIDS and I spit in your eye, is that an attempt to kill you if I know full well what I am doing? You bet it is!
There are tons of sick people out there, and it has never come up. So my guess is you would be sol if you got spit on.
Also for you individuals who are arguing that it\'s the woman\'s fault when her husband or boyfriend beats her, I suggest you revise your opinions. You\'re displaying a remarkable level of youthful ignorance. The only way you could hold this view is if you\'ve never seen a real case of domestic abuse, never met the victim, and basically don\'t have a fricking clue what you\'re talking about.
I\'m sorry, but I am 30, and have gone through my first Divorce.
No woman is trapped in a relationship. The only thing trapped is the children. I have 0 pity for anyone that stays around where they are beat. Heck the female in the above story could have been just as guilty as he was. I have seen lots of females fist fighting with their husband. With them the instigators in the entire affair.
By most current laws you can go to jail if you break your own property while angry. It is considered a threatining act. My guess would be that you are in your early to mid 20\'s, and have been in a idealistic college enviroment. I felt the same way as you when I was younger.
One last thought. Let\'s say he was beating her, and they have children. Should she be held accountable in any respect if he did this on a daily basis, and he ended up seriously injuring the kid? She had the power to stop the crime before it ever happened. If I were in a jury I would throw the entire lot of them in jail.
Are you talking to me about my views on wife beaters? I think it\'s clear that I think this type of individual is lower than scum.
I hate those guys also, but you know what. It still comes down to personal responsibilty. Do it once shame on you. Do it twice shame on me.
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Funny you mention that capcom b/c that is all I hear politicians..soapbox standers and the general public talk about..but probably only 20% actually take in their own accountability.
I feel that ANY aggressor..male or female desereves what they get.
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Originally posted by luckee
Funny you mention that capcom b/c that is all I hear politicians..soapbox standers and the general public talk about..but probably only 20% actually take in their own accountability.
I feel that ANY aggressor..male or female desereves what they get.
So what about the military? What if dude was a vietnam vet, and it f*cke*d him up in the head? There are a lot of what if\'s.
I don\'t mean to get off subject to far, but I see no politician or a high percentage take accountability for anything. I am fat because McDonalds made me fat. I have lung cancer because some big corporation tricked me into smoking.
A thought about cops. If you so much as touch them it is assault. If they ram a toilet plunger up your a** ,it is a slap on the wrist. I am sure some of you all remember this from N.Y.
I have 2 sisters. If anything they tend to be the aggressors, but if their husband\'s beat them. I would tell my sisters to get out of the relationship or don\'t say a word to me about this anymore.
So far as politicians taking responisibit for anything. Well that is a joke. Our entire political system can be a joke at times. You are told to go out and vote for change. I\'m sorry it is not a change if you have to choose from politicians that are hand picked by the representing parties.
What I am trying to say is that there is alot that we as individuals can do little about. Not being able to get up, and leave an abusive spouse is not one of them.
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Capcom..what I mean by that is this.
We are a fairly civilized society in the states. So it is quite reasonable to assume that there is very little reason for anyone to hit anyone during an argument.
So with that said, if a wife wants to cold cock her husband, she should expect the same.
Just like with rape. If a man get 20 years for rape. Id like to see additional court hearings somehow to figure out her accountability. like if said man didnt know the women at all and approached/raped her in a parking lot at night..give him that full 20.
If the chick is playing with his little guy and getting him hard, just walks away and the guy forces himself upon her. I think he should get 13-15 and she takes the remiander. Just b/c she knew what she was doing. Im not saying it is right to take it, but sometimes it isnt that clear cut. Just like in abuse cases.
Of course we will never see anything like that hear and alot of bugs would have to be worked out even it it ever did. But I like the theory.
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Personal responsablity means nothing in America. We look for the easiest possible way to convict people.
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Wow... then coughing on someone while having the flu is assault, no?
*rolls eyes*
This whole thread is ridiculous....
And I can\'t believe some people here actualy believe this Bullshit. Thats why our country is so F\'d these days.
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Thank you.
It is beyond ignorant to think that spitting on someone is attempted to murder or assault with a deadly weapon. But, there are always blind sheep that will follow anything the goverment does and this is just another example of that. Grasping at straws to justify the goverments actions.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Thank you.
It is beyond ignorant to think that spitting on someone is attempted to murder or assault with a deadly weapon. But, there are always blind sheep that will follow anything the goverment does and this is just another example of that. Grasping at straws to justify the goverments actions.
You know guys, just because there are differing opinions than yours does not make those people with those opinions morons.
Now get closer so I can spit in your face! :) ;)
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The HIV virus is not transmitted by saliva, so no, it\'s not attempted murder.
oh, i guess it\'s impossible for the guy to have a sore, or a cut in his mouth
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I am amazed by the ignorance that anyone has. You have to be ignorant to support any remote idea that someone can go to jail for spitting on a cop. I can see some jail time and a fine, but come on, a life sentence? Give me a frickin\' break and don\'t even try this "he\'s a wife beater" thing. People make mistakes and they recover from them. It\'s possible he made a mistake and in the heat of it spit on a cops face...So, we sentence him to life, while other people are getting 10 - 15 years for actually KILLING someone? Seriously, the US justice system is messed up and people who support that are messed up in the head.
And don\'t try the "well..he may of had a rap sheet..etc". If they couldn\'t charge them for the others - then there is no reason to go looking for the most trivial reasons. It\'s complete and utter bullsh!t.
And by this quote, you are assuming he did have a huge rap sheet . It makes no difference. We can\'t go grabbing people up for lesser charges, just because we lack enough evidence to charge them with actual harmful crimes .
You missed something. It\'s a deadly weapon when used against a goverment employee . If I spit on your grave - it would not give you any legal right to kill me. No, self defense would not work.
Do you think that spitting is actually attempted homicide? Give me a freakin\' break!
I am not assuming he has a huge rap sheet. I am saying that you guys are passing judgement on this like he really just spit on a cop. He could very easily have a long rap sheet, but nothing major that they could put him away with. Finally they got this one charge they could do and they jumped on it.
A long time ago I was on a jury where I guy died when he was beat up by a group of people. The dude on trial admitted to the cops to throwing one punch. The guy who died passed away in the hospital after a few days of trying to make it. Well since the guy died from the beating we gave the defendant life in prison.
We didn\'t want to do it, but it was the law. It seemed harsh for the one crime, BUT this was a known drug peddler. I\'m sure if I looked up his wrap sheet it was probably quite lengthy. The guys name was James Threats. It was kind of funny because the Prosecution called him like it is spelled and the defense pronounced it like Threets.
What I am saying is that the judicial system is horrible. People get so many chances. Violent people are violent people. This guy thought nothing of beating the shit out of someone. I don\'t want him on the streets. That could have been me. It could have been anyone of you. Do I feel bad about giving him life even though he only admitted to one punch? Not at all. Hell, he\'s probably already out and that was only 6 years ago.
And you know what, we put that guy in jail when Clinton was in office.
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Originally posted by videoholic
I am not assuming he has a huge rap sheet. I am saying that you guys are passing judgement on this like he really just spit on a cop. He could very easily have a long rap sheet, but nothing major that they could put him away with. Finally they got this one charge they could do and they jumped on it.
A long time ago I was on a jury where I guy died when he was beat up by a group of people. The dude on trial admitted to the cops to throwing one punch. The guy who died passed away in the hospital after a few days of trying to make it. Well since the guy died from the beating we gave the defendant life in prison.
We didn\'t want to do it, but it was the law. It seemed harsh for the one crime, BUT this was a known drug peddler. I\'m sure if I looked up his wrap sheet it was probably quite lengthy. The guys name was James Threats. It was kind of funny because the Prosecution called him like it is spelled and the defense pronounced it like Threets.
What I am saying is that the judicial system is horrible. People get so many chances. Violent people are violent people. This guy thought nothing of beating the shit out of someone. I don\'t want him on the streets. That could have been me. It could have been anyone of you. Do I feel bad about giving him life even though he only admitted to one punch? Not at all. Hell, he\'s probably already out and that was only 6 years ago.
And you know what, we put that guy in jail when Clinton was in office.
You sound remarkably close to an Uncle of mine. The jury including him decided to send a guy to jail. They all agreed he was innocent, but they all figured he was guilty of somthing else.
I am sorry, but deciding to send someone to jail is a serious matter. I do not care if he had a rap sheet 5 miles long. Convict someone of real crimes, and not erroneous crimes.
Videoholic to me this thread says that it would be safer for me to come into your house, and brutalize one of your family members. Yet I would get less time for that than spit on some cop.
The punishment should fit the crime.
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Originally posted by Capcom
Videoholic to me this thread says that it would be safer for me to come into your house, and brutalize one of your family members. Yet I would get less time for that than spit on some cop.
The punishment should fit the crime.
Do you not read my posts??????
That is not what is being said at all.
What I am saying is that this guy could have been avoiding the legal system for many years. Doing lots of crap, but nothing major. Finally they got something that, as bogus as it is, actually is a felony and they can nail him for it.
Of course brutalizing someone\'s family is worse than spitting on a cop, but this guy has brutalized his wife and that is only worth a year? Give me a break. Not a whole lot of first timers are beating their wives. This guy more than likely has a history and that is why they jumped on this charge.
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The above post is all hypothetical of course. :)
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I do read your posts. The point I so poorly made was that there should be no loopholes for D.A.\'s or cops to exploit just because they think someone deserves punishment. I could care less if he had a rapsheet. If you get right down to it. I seriously doubt you go an entire day without breaking some sort of law. Does that mean that someone should use that against you if they fill you have gotten away with somthing. Or better yet they just don\'t care for you.
A police officer can arrest you for assault if you so much as touch their godly attire. Thus I am not sure this individual was of the worst sort of people.
Or how about this analogy videoholic. Do you speed in your car? Do you think that since someone is prone to speed they should when they are finally caught. You should be given a ticket to encompass all the speeding you have, or might have done without being caught?
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Well your analogy is stupid because I am talking about the guy getting caught for numerous things. Getting caught, but nothing bad enough to put him away for any length of time. If he\'s a wife beater then he won\'t get much time.
If I get a ticket for speeding I just say to myself, "At least he didn\'t catch me the other day when I was going 115." and if I get caught speeding numerous times then yes, my penalty increases because they take my license away.
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What I am saying is that this guy could have been avoiding the legal system for many years.
Well your analogy is stupid because I am talking about the guy getting caught for numerous things.
Your own words.
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Its crazy to me when I read something that says a woman/man in an abusive relationship deserves what they get for not leaving or that a woman who is raped should get some of the jail time because she may have brought it on herself.
If a woman had consentual sex with a man and then called rape afterwards then she should DEFINATELY get some jail time. However, even if she went to a guys house at 3 in the morning in a bikini with a box of condoms and lube, if she said no before they had sex then she meant no. If a dude thinks that he has to rape her because she got his dick hard then he can\'t control himself and needs some time in the clink.
As for abusive relationships. I have seen a couple and its not always as easy as you think it is to just walk away. Sometimes it is easy and the woman is too blinded by love to go; but other times there are a lot of factors that make a woman to scared to leave(thinking that her situation would be worse if she left than if she stayed).
Thats like saying that someone who was robbed should get some of the jail time because they had so much money and flaunted it at their attacker or that they should not have been in the situation so its their fault.
When it comes to the main topic I can(kind of) see why they would have this law in place. It is possible to get a disease from someone spitting on you if the conditions are right. I think that this ruling pisses a lot of people off because the idea of getting life in prison for spitting on someone is hard to wrap your mind around.
Its kind of like giving someone life in prison for throwing water baloons that could have had some contaminated water in it or executing someone for blowing in someone\'s face because they could have been blowing anthrax.(stupid analogy, I know.)
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I see you dont seem to be a proponent of accountability.
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Originally posted by Capcom
What I am saying is that this guy could have been avoiding the legal system for many years.
Well your analogy is stupid because I am talking about the guy getting caught for numerous things.
Your own words.
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I use the word Avoid in the wrong context and you pick it apart. You know exactly what I mean. I stated my thoughts a couple times already. He is avoided getting a stiff penalty on priors is what I meant. BUt I think you knew that. Or at least I hope you did.
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Originally posted by luckee
I see you dont seem to be a proponent of accountability.
The victim should be held accountable for a crime perpetrated against them? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
I am all for accountability when it comes to frivolous lawsuits like suing a restaurant for making you fat or because you spilled some coffee on your crotch. There is no reason someone should be held accountable for another person\'s inability to control themselves.
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Originally posted by Gohan
The victim should be held accountable for a crime perpetrated against them? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
I am all for accountability when it comes to frivolous lawsuits like suing a restaurant for making you fat or because you spilled some coffee on your crotch. There is no reason someone should be held accountable for another person\'s inability to control themselves.
So what about in WA months ago when a women raped a man who was passed out and impregnated herself. Friends even testified against her saying that she planned on doing this.
Yet this women did not goto jail and even worse than that is she won another court case so the guy she raped would have to pay child support.
Some moron judge/jury allowed this shit.
As far as abuse is concerned..what is the difference between me..200 lbs hitting you and a 250lb female body builder doing the same? Im sure she would do more damage than me, but you would still not hit her? I think not.
I repeat..ANYONE that strikes ANYONE should be prepared and expect the same.
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Originally posted by luckee
So what about in WA months ago when a women raped a man who was passed out and impregnated herself. Friends even testified against her saying that she planned on doing this.
Yet this women did not goto jail and even worse than that is she won another court case so the guy she raped would have to pay child support.
Some moron judge/jury allowed this shit.
As far as abuse is concerned..what is the difference between me..200 lbs hitting you and a 250lb female body builder doing the same? Im sure she would do more damage than me, but you would still not hit her? I think not.
I repeat..ANYONE that strikes ANYONE should be prepared and expect the same.
I am amazed by that story. I believe you in this day and time anything is possible. What a sad state the legal system is in.
Edit: I would not hit her if she was a bodybuilder. I could not even outrun her.
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That\'s nothing. On Spanish Tv there is this one court show. The judge is some feminist bitch. Today there was a case where to guys sued this girl because they payed her money for the baby she was supposed to be having. See, this lady told those two men that she was pregnant and they gave her money for the baby and stuff. So it turns out that she wasn\'t pregnant and she got fake prenancy papers and all that good stuff. She even admited it to the judge. But she said "But you gotta help me judge, you know how we women get mistreated all the time....." because she over heard the two guys talking about that she was only a bet. They bet 500 bucks to whoever got to sleep with her the fastest. So she did that for revenge. She got 1, 500 dollars from it. So the judge called the guys "dogs" and what not. And she didn\'t make the girl give them their money back.
It\'s wrong what the guys did, but the girl had no case. She got fake papers to fool them, and she even admitted it. The judge to me just let her win because she "feels" what the girl feels.
I hate that show. Can the judge even do that, u know insult people?
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http://kmed.com/script/headline_newsmanager.php?id=177818&pagecontent=weirdnews
This kid should get life with no parole. Hell, she could have been allergic to milk.
Actually for real something should be done about this kid. I mean what a punk. You let a kid get away with treating a bus driver like this and what\'s next?
Parents today suck.
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Can\'t do anything about bad kids. Here in the UK, since all the crap with the European Court Of Human Rights kicked off you can\'t do anything at all. You\'ll soon not be allowed to slap your own kids for misbehaving, teachers have got no leverage and the police tell them off for being bad but can\'t lock most of them up. All the time the kids know exactly what\'s up.
Although the ones that do get locked up get sent on £2000 holidays to Africa etc!!
Kids need a bloody good whack sometimes, little sods, I really hate kids. I\'d love to see the surprised look on these sh*ts faces when someone properly sparko\'s them with one hit one day.
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If you raise your kid correctly and make him realize life is based on cause and effects then you shouldn\'t have to smack your kid.
From very early I have never let Logan win anything. If I tell him to stop doing something, if he does it one more time he knows he will be punished.
The other day we were at our neighbors and Logan was pushing a cart around Flintstones style. Well he kept bumping into their screen door. I told him if he hit it one more time then I was taking it away. He hit it one more time and I took it away. He cried for :10 seconds and told me he was sorry. From that point on he never got within 3 feet of that screen door.
Logan knows that if he does something wrong and if he already knows it\'s the wrong thing to do then he will be punished. This is why I have an amazing child. He very very rarily does anything wrong and he has never done anything terribly wrong. If you stick to your guns and don\'t let them run your life then you will win. But you have to start very early.
Kids are wonderful. Ooops, I meant to say kids can be wonderful.
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But what\'s the next step if they defy everything you ask of them, no point asking again really if you\'ve already repeated yourself.
You seem quite lucky that you have a child that will do what you ask (eventually).
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first off the guy should\'ve not spit on a cop, he\'s lucky he didnt do it around these parts, hed get the crap beat out of him (if he\'s lucky that is), still its disgusting how hitting his wife would only get him a year in jail whereas spitting on cop gets him a life sentence.
and as for that report about the kid throwing milk, they should make an example outta him and let all the stupid asswipe punks out there know that their shitty behaviours will not be tolerated.
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I agree with all of you. There are some kids this day that act like they\'re the toughest thing at 9 years old. Two days ago I was driving down Ross. There was a group of little 10-12 year old kids walking the opposite way I was driving. There were 4 people in the car. My friend David, my g/f, my g/f\'s friend, and my g/f\'s friend\'s boyfriend. So anyways, the I stopped at the stop sign and the stupid brats started acting like if they wanted to fight, you know like they get some seizure and start rocking their heads back and forth. So my g/f\'s friend\'s boyfriend gets out the car and the little brats actually think they can take him on, sure they talked lots of smack but they talked it while walking away. Also, a few days ago my cousin\'s dad sent him to jail. Why? B/c he decided he was going to steal his mom\'s jewelry and his dad\'s guns and sell them for 500 dollars. My uncle also sent his girlfriend(who lives with them) to jail for being part of the whole operation. First off he\'s only 17 and his girlfriend is already living with him in his PARENT\'S house. He needed the money to buy a car after he wrecked his Cadillac that his dad BOUGHT for him, and after he wrecked the Mercedes which was his DAD\'S. He is the only child, get\'s anything he wants yet he decided to throw away his life like that. What really sucks is that my mom is so influenced with what my cousins do and she automatically thinks that I might do the same thing. So it\'s hell for me when I want to go out. It\'s more hell for me since now shes bitching about me getting a car.
Lot\'s of kids this days deserve to get hit. I don\'t think the government should allow abuse, but I also think the government shouln\'t allow kids to act like assholes.
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Originally posted by Green Meanie
But what\'s the next step if they defy everything you ask of them, no point asking again really if you\'ve already repeated yourself.
You seem quite lucky that you have a child that will do what you ask (eventually).
Well it hasn\'t ever come to that. Certainly he has pitched fits before when he didn\'t get his way, but as long as he isn\'t sitting on a fire or a tiger is about to eat him, I just let him cry. He realizes now that crying gets him absolutely no where. So he does it only for a short period of time now.
But if it came down to it I\'m totally up for spanking his booty. I\'ve slapped his hand before, but nothing hard. Just to get his attention. Hopefully I have done my job early well enough so that he will know that later in life he will think twice about doing stupid things, for example throwing stuff on a bus driver.
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i think parnet should spank their kids when they acting like
little brats that wrong with this world kids think they can way with acting like little brat because they that if moms or dads spank them they can call the cops and get their parnet in trouble
which govorment needs to my their own business ...but no women deserve to be hit
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Originally posted by sabrina
...but no women deserve to be hit
Then no woman should hit a man.
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Holy shit, Luckee I and agree on something.
Oh yeah, we also agree on the length of my penis. Sorry about that. You\'ll walk normal again soon. :ghey:
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Give me f**king break. If you women want equal rights, then you get everything that comes with them. No man should be hit either.. However, if a woman hits a man, then I think if she gets smacked, she has it coming to her. Just as if a man smacks a woman, she has the right to hit him. Equal rights, baby.
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I wouldn\'t hit a chick even if she hit me. I\'d have to be really pissed off to throw down.
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why don\'t I ever see a women collecting garbage? nuff said IMO
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Wha...? Where do you live??? There are so many female custodians where I work...
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Give me f**king break. If you women want equal rights, then you get everything that comes with them. No man should be hit either.. However, if a woman hits a man, then I think if she gets smacked, she has it coming to her. Just as if a man smacks a woman, she has the right to hit him. Equal rights, baby.
I agree with that in theory, I\'ve seen blokes hold back from hitting a woman when he\'s getting a real beating when you can see that she really just needs a good punch.
In practice I couldn\'t bring myself to do it though, we hit too hard and would probably cause more serious damage than hitting another man.
My sister and I had a huge argument a few years back and she said some really nasty things, I found out later she was trying to provoke a reaction and get me to hit her, she said I was lifeless and wanted me to do anything but sit there, get stoned and take shit from people!!
I\'ve never been in that position with a non-family member so I can\'t really say how I\'d react, I think I\'d feel pretty bad personally if I reacted in that way, but if someone wants to hit back and doesn\'t feel bad then.......