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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Samwise on July 13, 2003, 04:28:32 AM
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I\'m in a phase where I read a lot. I\'ve read 5 books these past two days... well, right now I\'m reading a book about the human brain.
I just read this tidbit and thought it was so amazing that I\'d share it with you. Perhaps you already knew, perhaps you didn\'t.
Since the topic as such is useless when you\'ve read what I wanted to say, I\'m gonna delete it in a day of two. Yeah, I just love deleting my own threads. ;)
Anyway, here it is. Did you know that there are more possible connections between the cells in one human brain than there are atoms in the entire universe? That\'s a staggering high amount...
That concludes the useless knowledge for today.
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Not to stray from the subject of book reading, but it is pricisely what you just said about the human brain that makes my faith in creation rather than evolution so much stronger. I find it virtually impossible to think that something so incredibly complex, something so incredibly unique could just some how evolve over time from nothing. Even Darwin had qualms about believing his own theories because of just how complex the human eye and brain are.
Anyway, jump over my pathetic post if you think im stupid.
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Upsss... that\'s an huge cypher... are you sure it is that way Sammy? It sounds a little big amount of connections.
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Where is Bossieman when you need him? ;)
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It is correct Adan. And in the nine months to you\'re born the brain produces 100,000,000,000 nervecells.
Racer, actually the brain has evolved over 500 million years. In the beginning it was quite simple (as seen in Crocodiles and the like). In the beginning there was just the reticular activation system (direct translation :p). Then 250 million years later the limbiesqe system was added (again, direct translation - dunno the correct English terms). 200 million years ago a new structure - the \'bigbrain / (neo-) cortex\' was added (the grey braincells).
And so on. So I put my faith in evolution. :)
Another question - had God created us - would be -> why make us so complicated? I mean, with his abilities he could just make us solid inside. Why make us prone to diseases, weaknesses etc?
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If something is true is that human body is the most perfect machine.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Another question - had God created us - would be -> why make us so complicated? I mean, with his abilities he could just make us solid inside. Why make us prone to diseases, weaknesses etc?
Because if we were all immune to illness etc then the world would be massively over populated.
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Originally posted by Kurt Angle
Because if we were all immune to illness etc then the world would be massively over populated.
Still doesn\'t make the question any less valid. God - the almighty - surely would have the ability to do something about that if he wanted.
Think of all the billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions of things "God" would have to do/create at once (well, seven days then ;)). It\'s easier for me personally to accept, that it was all due to evolution. Of course the basics, the corner stones so to speak, would have to be there in the beginning. But then it could evolve and be more and more advanced during billions of years.
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I don\'t understand, how if everything in this entire universe came from a single cell, that the mutations would do different things. Like X into XY, then XY changes to XZ, so you know have both XY and XZ cells, that these two different cells could go into different things cosidering they are both from X. Your not adding anything else, just X.
You talk about God as being bound by physicalities. He is not bound by time. Sure, the Bible says it took 6 days to create everything, but that is in Earth time. God created time. Just because he is God doesn\'t mean he just does it all at once. He is a craftsman, and took his time to perfect what he was creating.
I dunno, this whole billions years thing seems so far fetched its crazy. The Earth is not that old, and either is this universe.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
I dunno, this whole billions years thing seems so far fetched its crazy. The Earth is not that old, and either is this universe.
yeah right, and the bible theorie is not far fetched! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Samwise
Another question - had God created us - would be -> why make us so complicated? I mean, with his abilities he could just make us solid inside. Why make us prone to diseases, weaknesses etc?
Thats because everything is a part of God.Not just humans.
Besides humans can develop the ability to self heal themselves or even others.
Chi Kung masters are the best examples.
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Another question - had God created us - would be -> why make us so complicated? I mean, with his abilities he could just make us solid inside. Why make us prone to diseases, weaknesses etc?
If you were a game designer Sam, would you make your main character immune to all enemies ? since you are the creator, why would you care to make it immune, just dont create anything that could arms in anyway your main character ?
If god truely exist, he isnt the Holy pure light everyone think he is.
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If you are a Superman how are you going to know if you are mentally strong?How would you know if you have the barins to protect yourself?Its like an overprotective child.Doesnt know the world, doesnt know any danger, doesnt know anything.Its weak mentally and spiritually.
Negativity and Positivity both are needed for a human to become perfect.
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Well, I think you guys misunderstood what I was trying to say.
He could make us solid and simple and still able to catch diseases etc. The diseases part was not my point, it was just something that seemed logical.
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
I dunno, this whole billions years thing seems so far fetched its crazy. The Earth is not that old, and either is this universe.
The universe is not billions of years old? When I say the basics should evolve over billions of years, I\'m talking about something like The Big Bang... not saying that it\'s the one and only answer - the truth - but I do believe everything evolved over millions and billions of years.
But Racer, how old would you estimate the universe, the earth and the human race to be?
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Besides humans can develop the ability to self heal themselves or even others.
Chi Kung masters are the best examples.
When a Chi Kung master can help you to cure a terminal cancer, an AIDS patient or even the hungry in Africa, please, tell me.
PD: I practice Chi Kung-.
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Well if humans have been civilized for more than 2000 years why did god not have people write about his bible then and his creations? Why isn\'t it the Romans or the Greeks who at the time were so intelligent not write the bible? Why did it have to be the Jewish people if everyone is gods people? Why is it that we have New Testament and an Old Testament? Why couldn\'t Jesus have come sooner?
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Well if humans have been civilized for more than 2000 years why did god not have people write about his bible then and his creations? Why isn\'t it the Romans or the Greeks who at the time were so intelligent not write the bible? Why did it have to be the Jewish people if everyone is gods people? Why is it that we have New Testament and an Old Testament? Why couldn\'t Jesus have come sooner?
Are you asking yourself or are you expecting an answer? :confused:
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A little of both, you criticized my posts twice now, you trying to make me feel dumb???
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Originally posted by mjps21983
A little of both, you criticized my posts twice now, you trying to make me feel dumb???
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I\'m sorry, I didn\'t mean to attack you personally. I just question things I find odd. You\'re were just unlucky to be the one giving me some odd things to question. ;)
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I\'m sorry I came across odd, the post wasn\'t quite well thought out more of a ramble at the spur of the moment. I would like answers to the ?\'s but they were more to make people think than anything else
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Originally posted by Adan
When a Chi Kung master can help you to cure a terminal cancer, an AIDS patient or even the hungry in Africa, please, tell me.
PD: I practice Chi Kung-.
Chi Kung not only cures but it also prevents.I ve heard that through Chi Kung you can cure yourself from cancer.Now if you let the cancer develop then you are more likely to die.If your Chi Kung is developed enough it will cure you before the cancer is developed or even prevent it.
I dont know about Aids though.And hunger is not a disease.Also you wouldnt ask that question if you know the principle of Yin and Yan.
There are tenths of thousands of volumes about the usage of Chi Kung written through dynasties regarding curing specific illnesses, vivification etc and they are written in arcane.If Aids existed hundreds of years ago I beleive a specific Chi Kung exercise would have existed to cure it.
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I personally feel that both the entire universe and the human race is around 10000 years old.
I base this on both my belief in creation and the speed at which the sun is slowly burning away.
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Can you show me those calculations Racer? Would be an interesting read.
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I\'d have to look. The sun is slowly burning itself away, and at the rate that it is supposedly burning now, the sun would have been so large (its shrinking as it burns) that it would have been far too close to the earth for it to support life.
The sun apparently only has about another 2000 burning years left before it stops. Could be BS but the facts seem very probable, i\'dd have to find a source.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
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The sun apparently only has about another 2000 burning years left before it stops. Could be BS but the facts seem very probable, i\'dd have to find a source.
err a couple of billion years if i remember right.
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Man Racer, you lose more credibility with every post. The sun is only 10,000 years old and it only has 2,000 more years. My oh my.
I guess I have a new quote.
If I could go find that whole Dinosaurs rode on the arc I\'d have the best sig of all you dweebs.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Anyway, here it is. Did you know that there are more possible connections between the cells in one human brain than there are atoms in the entire universe? That\'s a staggering high amount...
One thing though....
And no I didnt read the thread to see if anyone said the same so...
If no one exactly knows how far the universe stretches, than how would they really know this info?
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The brain...what Awesome design!
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Originally posted by videoholic
Man Racer, you lose more credibility with every post. The sun is only 10,000 years old and it only has 2,000 more years. My oh my.
I guess I have a new quote.
If I could go find that whole Dinosaurs rode on the arc I\'d have the best sig of all you dweebs.
At least I have the balls to come out and say what I trully believe regardless of what anyone else thinks.
If the earth is really millions of years old, as is the sun, then the sun would have been touching the earth if it was still in the same rotation alignment. At the rate that the sun is shrinking, its virtually impossible for the earth to be old because of this.
I\'ll have to search for some sources, but believe what you want.
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Just as when the Israelites were in the wilderness...God did not let their clothes wear out...so He has no problem in keeping things from wearing out, even the sun.
And dont forget there are suns much larger then ours....
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Originally posted by Clowd
Just as when the Israelites were in the wilderness...God did not let their clothes wear out...so He has no problem in keeping things from wearing out, even the sun.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
At least I have the balls to come out and say what I trully believe regardless of what anyone else thinks.
If the earth is really millions of years old, as is the sun, then the sun would have been touching the earth if it was still in the same rotation alignment. At the rate that the sun is shrinking, its virtually impossible for the earth to be old because of this.
I\'ll have to search for some sources, but believe what you want.
Err, the sun hasn\'t changed size in regards to age. The sun has been burning debris from space; it never started of larger, then been getting smaller.
It\'s has been burning of space crap, and now is running out because it\'s got nothing to burn off, so it\'s burning out itself. so it\'s starting / going to get smaller, then it\'ll get larger and cook everything from the earth to mars, then die itself.
gezzzz.
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Originally posted by luckee
If no one exactly knows how far the universe stretches, than how would they really know this info?
I guess they could make a reasonable estimate taking the outermost star clusters into consideration and the rate of which the universe expands, etc. etc. I\'m not a scientist, but I don\'t think it\'s completely impossible.
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
I personally feel that both the entire universe and the human race is around 10000 years old.
Ok... that\'s certainly a way\'s off from what I believe. :) I respect your opinion nontheless. But here\'s what I believe:
- the universe is ~14 billions years old (give or take a few billion years)
- the Earth is ~4-5 billions years old
- the oldest found species of homo sapiens are 50,000 - 100,000 years old.
How do I figure this? Well, the universe thing can be estimated by various calculations. But recently an international team of astronomers performed a unique measurement. They measured for the first time the amount of the radioactive isotope Uranium-238 in a star that was born when the Milky Way was still forming. It is the first measurement ever of uranium outside the Solar System. This method works in a way similar to the well-known Carbon-14 dating in archaeology, but over much longer times. Ever since the star was born, the Uranium "clock" has ticked away over the eons, unaffected by the turbulent history of the Milky Way. It now reads 12.5 billion years. Since the star obviously cannot be older than the Universe, it means that the Universe must be older than that (http://www.eso.org).
The Earth thing... again it can be measured in different ways. One way is to look at the oldest formations of rocks and minerals. There have been found rocks as old as almost 4 billion years. Hence the world would be at least 4 billion years old...
The human race age... one way of finding out could be looking at the oldest known bones found. These go about 100,000 years back.
So that\'s how I figure what I do. :)
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God made man in His own image. God probably did make a being more perfect than us, but who knows.
This is why we aren\'t solid state inside, also why we are suscestable to diseases and such.
There is a religious explanation for everything, not saying you have to believe it, but don\'t write it off without hearing someone religious at least explain their point of view to you.
Eric Jacob
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Clowd, prove to me that god won\'t let the sun wear out.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
There is a religious explanation for everything, not saying you have to believe it, but don\'t write it off without hearing someone religious at least explain their point of view to you.
I try to keep an open mind, I really do. That\'s why I wouldn\'t say I\'m an atheist anymore, but rather agnostic.
But I have yet to hear something really convincing from religious sources. It\'s always a question about faith, and that\'s not really something you can use to argue with since it\'s a personal thing and probably means something different to different people.
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I had never heard too many nonsenses in a single thread...
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
I\'ll have to search for some sources, but believe what you want.
Good luck...
I have a much easier time believing many years of science than a book written by a bunch of dudes high on shrooms. :wave:
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What I want to know is who came up with the count of how many atoms are in the universe and how can he prove it.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
What I want to know is who came up with the count of how many atoms are in the universe and how can he prove it.
Emperor tell me, what are more? The number of hairs in your head or sand grains all over the earth? I can tell you that sand grains, and I have not count your hairs. Sometimes the difference is so big in number that isn\'t necessary to count the parts.
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This about it, you have one cell in your brain. It is sitting next to countless other cells and connected to all of them. Multiply that by billions and billions of cells and that is nuts.
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Originally posted by Adan
Emperor tell me, what are more? The number of hairs in your head or sand grains all over the earth? I can tell you that sand grains, and I have not count your hairs. Sometimes the difference is so big in number that isn\'t necessary to count the parts.
The hairs on my head and the # of grains on the whole Earth is a finite number. Prove to me the universe is finite. I don\'t claim to know the # of cells in a human brain but I neither do I claim to know where the universe begins and ends so I can\'t use that a measuring stick. So tell me, which is greater, that which is finite or that which is infinite?
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
The hairs on my head and the # of grains on the whole Earth is a finite number. Prove to me the universe is finite. I don\'t claim to know the # of cells in a human brain but I neither do I claim to know where the universe begins and ends so I can\'t use that a measuring stick. So tell me, which is greater, that which is finite or that which is infinite?
So you believe space is infinite? :confused:
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Personally I think so, yeah. But even if it wasn\'t it would be hard to say x > space when we don\'t even know the value of space.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
Personally I think so, yeah. But even if it wasn\'t it would be hard to say x > space when we don\'t even know the value of space.
As I said before, I don\'t think it\'s impossible to estimate the number, or at least enough to say X > Y. But what do I know.
EDIT: Of course, that assumes you believe space is finite, like I personally do.
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Did you know?
2000 proteins serving serving as enzymes are needed for cell’s activity. What are the chances of these being formed at random?
1 to 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...all the way to 40,000 zeros.
And I\'m the one who has faith in my beliefs? Obviously yours must be much more to believe in those odds.
By the way, that number is more then the atoms in all the universe cliche
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Clowd, do me a personal favor and never, ever post in any topic I create.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Did you know?
2000 proteins serving serving as enzymes are needed for cell’s activity. What are the chances of these being formed at random?
1 to 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...all the way to 40,000 zeros.
And I\'m the one who has faith in my beliefs? Obviously yours must be much more to believe in those odds.
By the way, that number is more then the atoms in all the universe cliche
Yeah, it\'s a lot easier just to believe some dude did it.
Don\'t know how it happened? Ah, then a God must have done it. THat\'s the only "reasonable" explanation.
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Originally posted by Samwise
But I have yet to hear something really convincing from religious sources. It\'s always a question about faith, and that\'s not really something you can use to argue with since it\'s a personal thing and probably means something different to different people.
Thats because religion is realised with the current state of consiousness(thats why questions rise) and they are trying to teach us through it rather than guide us to the higher consiousness in which we will understand the truth.
Religion isnt just faith like "I have faith in God, I must go to the church, pray etc".We do these acts passively but we never communicate with the universal mind.