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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Cerberus on July 15, 2003, 03:41:40 AM
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You dirty old man!! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3067517.stm)
I\'m quite shocked, this is almost litterally on my own doorstep, virtually within spitting distance......no more than 2 miles away. There are tv crews around, helicopters buzzing overhead from time to time.
This is how it is being reported locally.
You dirty, DIRTY old man. (http://thisisleigh.co.uk/lancashire/bolton/news/NWNEWSTOP0.html)
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They don\'t even know where they are now, they thought they\'d gone to Paris CDG Airport but now they don\'t have a clue.
It looks like a case of liar meets liar, his parents were under the impression she was 19 and hers thought he was a lot younger.
Although with the recent rise in paedophillia it wouldn\'t suprise me if it was all his evil doing.
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What\'s the problem to run away with your beloved?
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Originally posted by Adan
What\'s the problem to run away with your beloved?
Um... he\'s more than twice her age (and she\'s just 12). At 12 you\'re hardly capable of making a decision like that.
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I would think it was quite obvious when her actually met her that she would be under age. Why didn\'t he just walk away?
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Originally posted by Green Meanie
with the recent rise in paedophillia it wouldn\'t suprise me if it was all his evil doing.
The world is crawling with scum.
:mad:
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^dude u quoted yourself lol...
as for topic people like that disgust me both the girl and that guy.
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If both are in love i can\'t see the problem. Has anybody ask her if loves that guy?
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Originally posted by Adan
What\'s the problem to run away with your beloved?
Hahahaha... Adan you rock.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Hahahaha... Adan you rock.
Any serious grammatical mistake?
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It wrong, plain and simple. He\'s a sad bastard and she\'s just asking to get somebody locked up.
Wonder if he knows what happens to kiddy fiddlers in prison!
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Originally posted by Adan
If both are in love i can\'t see the problem. Has anybody ask her if loves that guy?
Adan, she\'s 12, and he\'s 31...... That is the problem. As soon as he touches her, it\'s paedophillia, and there is NO way that paedophillia can be classed as acceptable, in any way shape, or form.
In the UK, it is illegal for anyone under the age of 16 to commit acts of a sexual nature with another person, whether that other person is 31, or 13.....it\'s just plain and simple wrong.
I think the age of consent is even higher in the US, which makes it even more clear as to whether he is right or wrong. There are no two ways of painting this one, he IS wrong, and he WILL be punished.
And as for him not knowing about her being 12, and her not knowing him being 31, all I can say about that is.......... BOLLOCKS!!
If you have seen a pic of this kid, you will, or at least should be able to see that she is quite obviously a minor.
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He\'ll get his bits chopped off and flushed down the toilet in prison, in the Jail food chain kiddy-fiddlers are bottom of the food chain, even rapists can look down on them.
And Adan, it\'s wronger than 1 + 1 = 465.213, the only \'big L\' thing involved here is LAW.
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ahhh! I didn\'t know that sexual relationships in between old and children are banned there... here you can have relations with a 13 or 12 or whatever age, agreeing both sides to have it.
Well, then this guy will have a problem. Another point will be to guarantee he had had sexual contact with her.. what would happen if she only stays with him, without sex?
I don\'t like that law... but the world is this way.
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If he just stays with her but doesn\'t have sexual intercourse then her dad will probably just hit him.
Never mess with an angry parent, they\'re harder than most people.
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It seems media is giving this more importance than should have.
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The larger the worlds population gets the more pervs come out of the wood work.
Adan, you don\'t see anything wrong with a 31 yr old man having a relationship with a preteen girl? That is sick. Granted back in the Middle Ages such things were common, but our society has frowned upon such things for the past 100 years.
I have to agree with green about what will happen to this freak in jail... what is wrong with people? Along with this story, some guy in NH (most likely) killed his kids because of a custody agreement where he had the kids 60 percent of the time!!! WTF...
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You\'re speaking about sexual relationship, jail, punishment, anormal situation, sick... any of you, any of the press, any can guarantee they are having or had sexual relations? If not, this is absurd.
Of course it is not a normal situation. We use to be with people of same age, with same hobbies, etc... but we don\'t know the situation of this girl. Girls use to mature much before boys. I guess that this girl may be a matured chick. Perhaps she has many problems at home and knew this guy (we DONT know this guy, perhaps he is much more kindness than any around here) and fell in love. Perhaps this runaway is only a prank of a girl and a dummy guy that doesn\'t know the problems that it may bring.
But until there is crystal clear evidence that this guy had sex contact with her, it\'s a silly matter.
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I can -sorta- see adans point here, but not in this situation. I personally do not agree with the law in the US where someone who is 19 cannot have a legal sexual relationship with someone who is 17.....
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In Texas the legal age for sexual relations is 17, so it\'s all good around here.
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Adan when you have a daughter and she is 12 would you be happy if she flew off to another country to meet a 31 year old man? What else do you think he could possibly want with her?
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Love doesn\'t have an age limit!
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Love doesn\'t have an age limit!
That comment to me, suggests that you have a thing for "granny-flaps"
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Nah I was being sarcastic. This is obviously not love, just a dirty man trying to get middle school sex.
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Originally posted by Adan
ahhh! I didn\'t know that sexual relationships in between old and children are banned there... here you can have relations with a 13 or 12 or whatever age, agreeing both sides to have it.
Well, then this guy will have a problem. Another point will be to guarantee he had had sexual contact with her.. what would happen if she only stays with him, without sex?
I don\'t like that law... but the world is this way.
I think I could probably guess where they are. :)
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I don\'t like that law... but the world is this way.
Dude, you must be one sick man. She\'s basically still a young girl, if that were my daugter I\'d shoot the m\'fer. Then I\'d lock the chic up till she was 18
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I just think Adan meant people should have the freedom to choose who they love, despite there age... i sort of agree with that...
But i do not think 12 year olds and 31 year olds is anywheres close to being acceptable.
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Adan, how could a 31 year old love a 12 year old? Seriously...
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He must have a tiny penis.
This is a totally sick individual, but this happens all the time. It\'s just that this is an international incident.
You\'ll be hard pressed to go to many trailer parks here in FL and find a 12 year old virgin.
"Do you french kiss?"
"Daddy says I\'m the best"
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
I just think Adan meant people should have the freedom to choose who they love, despite there age... i sort of agree with that...
But i do not think 12 year olds and 31 year olds is anywheres close to being acceptable.
Exactly. I repeat: This situation is not normal, is not good, but you\'re talking as a fact that this guy ONLY wants SEX with her. He will probably but we can\'t ensure that.
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An Update.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3071717.stm
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Aparently, she is back in the UK, and is in the "company" of Greater Manchester police.
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Excellent, stick her in a tower and don\'t let her grow her hair!
Not sure about him, he may have just been taken for a mug, although at first glance, his history makes him seem like a dirty paedophile.
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I still don\'t know what are they charging him with.
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As she\'s a minor he\'d probably have to have permission of the parents.
Kidnapping most probably.
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Kidnapping maybe? Come on, the girl is a minor and the she was in his custody... to me that is kidnapping regardless of whether she went willingly or not.
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:laughing: Sorry Green that wasn\'t directed at your post you posted at the same time I did.
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She wanted to stay with him, that\'s not kidnapping.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
:laughing: Sorry Green that wasn\'t directed at your post you posted at the same time I did.
I was thinking that if I rearranged my post it would be worded just like yours, or vice-versa.
:laughing:
Glad to see my mind was working correctly though.
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Originally posted by Adan
She wanted to stay with him, that\'s not kidnapping.
It doesn\'t matter whether she wanted to stay with him or not, the fact is this..... She is stilll a minor, therefore, she is not in a position to be responsible for her own decisions.
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Originally posted by Cerberus
She is stilll a minor, therefore, she is not in a position to be responsible for her own decisions.
It\'s incredible the limits that our society has reached.
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Better safe than sorry, I\'m getting tired of hearing how kids have gone missing on the news, you just know that they\'ll be found in a field or some waste ground in a couple of weeks.
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Originally posted by Green Meanie
Better safe than sorry, I\'m getting tired of hearing how kids have gone missing on the news, you just know that they\'ll be found in a field or some waste ground in a couple of weeks.
You are absolutely spot on, that comment summerises why it is wrong for this sort thing to be happening. Kids that age won\'t know of the dangers posed by running away with strangers, especially ones that are much older, and who are completely unkown to the child.
Adan, have you never heard of the Moors murderers?
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I\'ve never heard about that but I must agree in this last point.
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Good to see she has been found safe.
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Wow Adan, kids in Spain must act much older or something because a kid under 16 could easily be persuaded to do something like this if they were brought up wrong.
It may just be the way you are brought up in Spain, but you simply don\'t mess with kids in the states. They will throw the book at you no questions asked.
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This is true what Vid said, I personally for one think once you hit the age of 14 you are responsible for your actions, you are in school and at home why not when you want to run out with some strange older man? The thing is these little girls are most likely looking for something they don\'t have at home and thats most likely a great father figure, so they search else where.
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I see video, I see...
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apparently the girl has been found and returned to her parents, i dont know what happened to the guy tho.
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Originally posted by Tyrant
apparently the girl has been found and returned to her parents, i dont know what happened to the guy tho.
He has been arrested in Germany.
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Adan, you ever dated a 12-year-old? That is past the age of 13.
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Originally posted by Adan
It\'s incredible the limits that our society has reached.
What do you mean?She is immature.She is a minor.She is not mature enough to know whats good or bad for her.She cant understand if someone wants to take advandage of her.And becuase she is still a kid she can easily become a victim.She can be easily manipulated by a 31 year old and take decisions which actually arent hers but his.
So yes.He has kidnapped her and manipulated her.Even if he didnt manuipulate her thats still a kiddnapping.He knew she was a kid, he knows a 12 year old girl cant take logical or right decisions for herself, and he ought to inform her parents.He also lied by saying that he thought she was a 19 year old.
I mean its obvious by a mile she is atleast 5 years younger than that.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Adan, you ever dated a 12-year-old? That is past the age of 13.
I never dated any.
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Just an odd point.
A friend of mine met this girl and they started talking on the phone. She talked a lot of sexual shit and according to him, she sounded like she had experience and she looked every bit of 17. He was 23, for the record. Anyways, they went out and when he started to do his thing with her - she asked him if she could tell him something. She then proceeded to explain that she was almost 13, but not quite. Of course, he freaked the hell out and turned the car around and took her home and never spoke to her again.
My point? I can see how some people get tricked . I know for a fact, women now\'a\'days look a lot older than they are. Bewteen his story and my own experience in misjudging a woman\'s age (clarifcation: I say that, as in, looking at a girl, thinking she is hot and wanting to approach, only to hear her speak / or go find her dad and realize she is about 13).
Now if he knew she was 12 - then I say there is a problem. However, if he didn\'t, then I say she is the problem . *shrugs* She doesn\'t look all the young to me, infact I would of guessed her for around 15 years of age.
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I got told recently that the average age that girls in the US lose their virginity is 12
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There is no doubt girl\'s mature faster than boys, sexually. The thing is - are they responsible for their actions at that age and can they really know what they are doin\'? Maybe they are and maybe they do know what they are doin\', but the point comes back, that the older and supposed more "responsible" party should have the moral and respect to say NO .
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Now if he knew she was 12 - then I say there is a problem. However, if he didn\'t, then I say she is the problem . *shrugs* She doesn\'t look all the young to me, infact I would of guessed her for around 15 years of age.
I don\'t care how old she is. It\'s just not normal to take someone from their home and runaway. If I had a daughter she would go nowhere with anyone I didn\'t meet first.
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I got told recently that the average age that girls in the US lose their virginity is 12
*Points to mtv, girls gone wild, and lack of parenting*
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It is a changing of time. It use to be males was the sexually aggressive gender. Over time that has changed and women are more sexually aggressive and less is thought about it, as opposed to before.
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average age 12? show me a source. No way. I would imagine that most kids are about 15. Or a good many of them. If the average is 12 then that means there are an awful lot of 9 year olds riding the pony.
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Im sure it\'s not twelve, but i imagine it being very young, probley about 15, but still i believe way too many girls lose it before they should....
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Well heck, I was 15 too. So was my chicky.
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As usual I\'m above-average. :D
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Yeah, i think that, some ppl can be smart enough when they are 14 or 15, but , a lot of girls lose it before then, and i just think a lot of girls are influenced by other things that influence them to be more sexual befrore they are ready. such as our whole society :P
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Hey Boys are just as impressionable. I mean think about how many Boys at that age are talked into doing things they shouldn\'t... This is why they are all Minors. They are easily impressionable, and can be swindled into doing many things because of the pressures of going through Puberty, trying to form their own identity in the world, etc. They are on the verge of being Adults and having the understanding of right, wrong, etc, but it is still when they are more easily swayed.
Losing one\'s virginity to someone more your age is also a little more understandable as I am sure most of us were at that point (are at that point, unsure of ages). It is going to happen in this day and age, and there isn\'t a whole lot anyone can do about it. Usually when you lose your virginity (boy or girl) to someone of comparible age, you are both feeling awkward, trying to understand the impulses that your body is now feeling, etc. Someone who is an Adult and going after minors are using the child\'s lack of experience and preying on their new found urges. They use the minor\'s puberty against them and prey on their emotions, etc. That is why it is bad.
Not all 12-16 year olds (younger and older) are into that and most are very mature, but it is still something that when in a vulnerable state they can make choices that once more mature would never make.
That is why it is illegal in many places to use kids and teens in that manor if you are older.
Brad
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Girls are more impressionble, because society makes them want to be perfect, so they look for the affection of the oppisite sex at a young age, and do things they may not want too to be appreciated....
just a theory :P
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Originally posted by videoholic
If I had a daughter she would go nowhere with anyone I didn\'t meet first.
My thoughts exactly, I couldn\'t agree more
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If I had a daughter, I would pull the scare tactic with my buddy Ryu (ala Bad Boys 2 style) on any boy who comes to date my daughter. :) ...seriously I would.