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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Kurt Angle on July 19, 2003, 03:30:30 AM
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Well in America anyway ;)
A new bill proposed in Congress on Wednesday would land a person in prison for five years and impose a fine of $250,000 for uploading a single file to a peer-to-peer network.The bill was introduced by Reps. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) and Howard Berman (D-Calif.). They said the bill is designed to increase domestic and international enforcement of copyright laws.
Link Here (http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,59654,00.html)
We must have lot\'s of criminal\'s on this forum if this is true :p
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Stupid assholes.
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^ agreed, asswipes think they can control everything.
/me goes to upload some files.
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I turned my shit off, and haven\'t downloaded shit since Thursday, after hearing about my dad\'s friend at work getting his cable turned off because of the subpoenas going out, I can\'t live wihtout cable.
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Next year KaZaA and programs like it will be forbidden in my country.
Good luck I say, in a poll in the biggest newspaper in my country, ~80% said they did not care and will continue to use KaZaA.
As will I! :)
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Whoopee. It\'d actually kill you all to buy an actual cd, wouldn\'t it?
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Whoopee. It\'d actually kill you all to buy an actual cd, wouldn\'t it?
Because all Kazaa is good for is downloading music, right? :)
What about pr0n! Pr0n pictures, pr0n videos!
Besides, Kazaa is good for sampling music and deciding whether or not to buy a CD (and let me tell you, CD\'s are becoming ridiculously expensive here ~ $20+).
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Originally posted by Samwise
Besides, Kazaa is good for sampling music and deciding whether or not to buy a CD (and let me tell you, CD\'s are becoming ridiculously expensive here ~ $20+).
agreed i got sick of buying 20$ cd\'s only to end using them as coasters (it costs much more if i want some hard to find albums, especially death metal bands) .
so what harm does it coz if i download one song or a program, its not as if the companies are loosing anything, i wouldnt have both those products any ways unless i liked them offcourse.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Whoopee. It\'d actually kill you all to buy an actual cd, wouldn\'t it?
Yes it would. Especially considering most artists put only maybe 10 tracks or so on a CD and expect me to pay 20 dollars for that crap.
I\'m downloadin music off Kazaa until they handcuff me.
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And hopefully that will be rather soon. :)
If you want p0rn. Newsgroups are the best place. Everyone knows this. Sheesh.
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The fact is the music industry (just addressing that issue) is doing this to themselves.
- They fight "compilation" technology, whereby you could legally buy a mix-cd of say 15 songs for 30 bucks (you choose the songs, of course).
- They put rediculous rules on LEGAL online downloading (mp3s downloaded for instance, even though you might pay a dollar for a track, can only be listened to 10 times, then delete themselves)
- CDs get shorter and more expensive at the same time.
- Sites offering 30 second previews of tracks have been cutting back big time, now you might only be able to hear a couple of the tracks (usually the singles anyways). Sometimes the first 30 seconds give a totally wrong impression of the track.
The fact is, I spend a lot of money every year on DVDs and CDs.... but for that money, I expect value. After buying a few CDs with literrally 1 good song on them, I started downloading whole CDs. What I don\'t like, I delete..... If I like 3 or more songs on a CD, I usually buy it. The fact is, without MP3 downloads, I would have retreated into only buying a few CDs a year, from the bands that I already like, or have heard a lot of songs on the radio from. If they stop me from downloading music CDs, they\'re going to loose money.
Kazaa and other peer-to-peer groups have nothing to fear because quite simply it\'s not up to them to police how people are choosing to use their software. There are SO many legitimate uses for peer-to-peer sharing that it\'s crazy to say that it can only be used for piracy.
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I use kazaa, I download some songs (Barley any really..) And usualy go out and buy a CD from that band afterwords.... But im not a big kazaa user.
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I use WinMX to download music after they screwed up Napster. The sad thing is I download music all the time, but if they make it so I can\'t, I\'m still not going to buy cds.
They\'re overpriced and generally crappy. Downloading is no risk.
Oh yeah, and that depression thing, wonder if that affects sales of overpriced, crappy merchandise? Hmm...
Lower the price on cds and I will buy more. Make download programs illegal and I\'ll become a bigger radio fan... that, and learn to use my CD burner more often.
-Eik
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And hopefully that will be rather soon. :)
If you want p0rn. Newsgroups are the best place. Everyone knows this. Sheesh.
Awww... cry me a river buddy. You think makin file-sharing illegal is gonna put an end to piracy?
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It won\'t do a darn thing. People have been doing it for as long as I can remember. I remember having a 1200 baud modem d/l crap on boards. My 300 baud just wasn\'t fast enough :)
The is no way they can do anything other that scare people. There are 3.5 million people on Kazaa. Good luck in fighting that mess. Not only that, but is it fair to only enforce it against americans when the whole world does it?
What they really should do if they want to enforce it is somehow make a cap on the bit rate below 192. Then when you burn a CD of songs you like and it sounds like shit you will be enticed to buy the CD.
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Piracy was before file sharing programs.. It will continue LONGGGGGGG after.
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I think file sharing can actually do some good for new and unkown bands. Its a way of getting their music out to people that generally wouldn\'t buy a certain type of music yet still may be interested in listening to it.
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The bill will not pass b/c the penalty is too stiff. It makes p2p a felony. Fritz Hollings can\'t pass this by himself.
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I wouldn\'t mind paying per song when downloading... something like Apple has now, but there is no way I am going back to buying CD\'s where I only like 2 or 3 songs at the most.
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What is this "newsgroup" you speak of?
Please enlighten me. :D
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I\'d like to know too
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Find a Usenet server. Search for the right words. Bingo.
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The iTunes route is what we should have had as soon as music sharing became popular. $1 = 1 song that\'s yours to burn or whatever that way you get the songs you want and even if the song sucks, you only lost $1, much better than losing $20 for 10 songs that are absolutely horrible. iTunes for Windows -- November. I\'ll download it and use it, even if as just a software utility for my iPod.
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I think I have downloaded 20 songs or so since Napster etc.
Who\'s waiting for their subpoena? :)
RIAA\'s evil subpoena plan takes effect
"Bwahaha," say RIAA officials
By Tamlin Magee: Monday 21 July 2003, 09:37
THE RIAA, in yet another bid to cripple the wallets of anyone sharing mp3 files over p2p networks, is now doing as it promised it would: forcing ISPs to get harsh on p2p users.
The board has issued subpoenas to ISPs in the US which will force the ISPs to identify any customers who are using p2p networks, such as Kazaa or Grokster. Apparently, 75 subpoenas are being granted every day, and the RIAA has already issued a stonking 871 subpoenas.
According to Nielsen/NetRatings, there has recently been a very sudden drop in the number of users on file sharing networks: Kazaa in march had 17.4 million users, but over the space of 3 months it\'s traffic from home reached approximately 14 million, which is a decline of 20 percent or so.
Users who are found to be sharing a significant number of mp3 files could very well be in for penalties ranging from $750 to $150,000 for "damages." Quite a bit more than a price of a CD, I\'d say.
In related news, Boycott-RIAA has called for anti-RIAA rallies, following the introduction of the \'Author, Consumer, and Computer Owner Protection and Security (ACCOPS) Act of 2003\' bill, which, bluntly, makes it possible for file sharers to be thrown in jail. µ
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Well, I never share anything. I just download. :)
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Originally posted by Samwise
Well, I never share anything. I just download. :)
Me too!
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Originally posted by Ryu
The iTunes route is what we should have had as soon as music sharing became popular. $1 = 1 song that\'s yours to burn or whatever that way you get the songs you want and even if the song sucks, you only lost $1, much better than losing $20 for 10 songs that are absolutely horrible. iTunes for Windows -- November. I\'ll download it and use it, even if as just a software utility for my iPod.
Apple made a smart move w/iTunes. Hey will your iPod play .ogg files and mp3s or just .aac?
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I don\'t know about ogg, but all I upload to the thing is MP3\'s through my firewire card.