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http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php
Thursday, June 26, 2003
I Never Promised You a Ruse Garden -- A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush
June 26, 2003
Dear Lt. George W. Bush,
I hope you don\'t mind me referring to you by the only true military rank you ever achieved, that being the one from your on-again, off-again "days" in the, um, Texas Air National Guard. Ever since I saw you in that flyboy outfit, landing on that ship, I assumed you now wanted to be addressed by your military title, as opposed to the civilian rank imposed on you by your dad\'s friends.
So, Lieutenant, I was wondering, would you do me a favor?
Could you PLEASE do better than a ROSE BUSH?
I saw the guy on TV yesterday that your boys found, the Iraqi who said he had "planted" some nuclear plans in his "back yard" in Baghdad -- 12 years ago -- "under a rose bush."
Woo boy. That\'s a good one. Do you really think we are as dumb as we look? I know our fascination with "American Idol" and Scott Peterson may make us Americans look a little light in the head, but when it comes to lying to us to lead us into war, we really do demand a bit more of an EFFORT and a FOLLOW-THROUGH.
You see, George, it\'s not the lying and the doctoring of intelligence that has me all upset. It\'s that you\'ve had control of Iraq for over two months now -- and you couldn\'t even find the time to plant just a few nukes or vats of nerve gas and at least make it LOOK like you weren\'t lying to us.
You see, by not faking some evidence of weapons of mass destruction, it shows that you thought no one would mind if it turned out you made everything up. A different kind of president, who believes that the American public would be outraged if they ever found out the truth, would go to great lengths to cover up his subterfuge.
Johnson did it with the Gulf of Tonkin. He said our ships were "attacked" by the North Vietnamese. They weren\'t, but he knew he had to at least make it LOOK like it happened. Nixon said he wasn\'t "a crook," but he knew that wasn\'t enough, so he paid hush money to the burglars and somehow had 18 1/2 minutes erased from a tape in the Oval Office. Why did he do this? Because he knew the American people would be pissed if they found out the truth.
Your blatant refusal to back up your verbal deception with the kind of fake evidence we have become used to is a slap in our collective American face. It\'s as if you are saying, "These Americans are so damn apathetic and lazy, we won\'t have to produce any weapons to back up our claims!" If you had just dug a few silo holes in the last month outside Tikrit, or spread some anthrax around those Winnebagos near Basra, or "discovered" some plutonium with that stash of home movies of Uday Hussein feeding his tigers, then it would have said to us that you thought we might revolt if you were caught in a lie. It would have shown us some *respect*. We honestly wouldn\'t have cared if it later came out that you planted all the WMD -- sure, we\'d be properly peeved, but at least we would have been proud to know that you knew you HAD to back up your phony claims with the real deal!
I guess you finally figured that out this week. It started to appear that millions of us were calling you on your bluff -- those "fictitious reasons for the fictitious war." So you quickly produced this man and his rose bush and some 12-year old piece of paper and some metal parts. CNN broke in at 5:15pm and screamed they had the exclusive! "IRAQI NUCLEAR PLANS FOUND!" But a few good reporters started asking some hard questions -- and, barely 3 hours later, your own administration was forced to admit the plans were "not the smoking gun” proving that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
Oops.
Never a good idea to rely on a bush, Lieutenant.
Yours,
Michael Moore
http://www.michaelmoore.com
PS. Sorry, I still can\'t get that padded flyboy suit out of my head. I know, I need help. But when you landed on that carrier, and that banner read, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED," just what mission was that that was accomplished? \'Cause by my count, more than 50 of our young soldiers have died since you said the mission was accomplished. Anarchy still reigns, the Brits are losing kids, too, and wacko fundamentalists now seem to ready to rule the land. Women are already being told to cover their face and shut their mouths, store owners who sell liquor have been executed, and movie theaters showing "immoral" Hollywood movies have been forced to shut down. And hey, this isn\'t even west Texas! Maybe you could get back into that jumpsuit, fly over to Baghdad and land at the former Saddam International Airport, jump out and give one of those big happy waves -- under a sign that reads, "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE."
:laughing: :thumb:
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I despise you for making me click on a link that contains the words of Michael Moore.
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michael moore an attention whore
he\'s no better than the dixie chicks
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I thought it was the Chixie Dicks....
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Originally posted by fastson
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php
:laughing: :thumb:
The truth hurts huh guys?
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Moore rocks and you know it! :)
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The truth? He\'s a nut job.
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Are these statistics for real? O_O
http://www.academycomputerservice.com/economics/charts.htm
I got them from this (funny) site: http://www.awolbush.com/
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I would believe they are.
After all like L-I-C said its sad that the American people will trust a hopeless mentally retarded warmonger liar over a President that had oral sex in the oval office.
IMO
Clinton is Far > Both Bush’s put together.
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. I know, I need help. But when you landed on that carrier, and that banner read, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED," just what mission was that that was accomplished? \'Cause by my count, more than 50 of our young soldiers have died since you said the mission was accomplished. Anarchy still reigns, the Brits are losing kids, too, and wacko fundamentalists now seem to ready to rule the land. Women are already being told to cover their face and shut their mouths, store owners who sell liquor have been executed, and movie theaters showing "immoral" Hollywood movies have been forced to shut down. And hey, this isn\'t even west Texas! Maybe you could get back into that jumpsuit, fly over to Baghdad and land at the former Saddam International Airport, jump out and give one of those big happy waves -- under a sign that reads, "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE."
True That........
in fact we have lost more people thanTHE FIRST GULF WAR NOW..,.....
So much for "The war is over " :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Ace
The truth? He\'s a nut job.
why do i get the fealing that you would like to see him and people like him in Guantanamo Bay.
:moon:
I fear the day we have Ace\'s Far Right American Superpower leading the world :sconf: :sconf: :sconf:
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putting up fake stuff would make it even worse.
dumbass.
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Originally posted by Avatarr
putting up fake stuff would make it even worse.
dumbass.
It must be a British dry wit thing because i get it and find it funny.
;)
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How many times do I have to say that it was not about oral sex but about not being truthful under oath. He was the top dog when it comes to upholding the law.
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
How many times do I have to say that it was not about oral sex but about not being truthful under oath. He was the top dog when it comes to upholding the law.
Ace
yeah but it was still over oral sex and not about going to war over non exisitant WMD.
See Bigg Diff there buddy.
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No I don\'t because we know Saddam has and had WMD and an insatiable appetite to get nukes, pal.
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Originally posted by Ace
No I don\'t because we know Saddam has and had WMD and an insatiable appetite to get nukes, pal.
so your saying going to war no matter how unjust the reason is ok.
But being a lair during a witch hunt just because you where unfaithful to your wife is’nt…
Whoooooaa strange logic you have there.
Personally I know who I would have as President.
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I just gave you the justification. It is my opinion. By the way, since GWB doesn\'t send me all the top secret papers that come across his desk, I have to go with what I learn from the media. A lot of which I take with a grain of salt.
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Ace, I seriously hope you do not have kids. You do have some decent morals when it comes to other things, but I am losing more and more respect for you everyday b/c of your stance between both of these liars.
PPl like you are what keep our two party system in the shitter. Liking or disliking b/c of the group they belong to instead of what they say and do.
I say this b/c you jump all over Clintons back over a lie..a lie that he shou;dnt have been forced to tell. Yet it was ok for this idiot to lie to 265 million americans to get support for a war he knew he couldnt get unless he and his admin. lied.
The end does not always justify the means my firend.
PS, in no way is this a personal attack, but mearly an observation. No ill will intended.
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By your accusations you are telling me that I am being disingenuous. I am not! I don\'t say things I don\'t believe. If you think me an idiot for believing GWB at this point, so be it.
One more thing, if you were to hang around me, you would find out politics is not the most important thing in my life. I am generally cynical about all pols and their unending quest to be re-elected.
I have stated before, maybe not on this board, that if it comes out that GWB outright lied to the American people I will drop him like a hot rock. I do not believe this, yet!
Clinton: White House Uranium Flap Understandable
Tuesday, July 22, 2003
WASHINGTON — President Bush\'s erroneous reference to an Iraqi-Africa uranium (search) link was understandable, former President Clinton (search) said Tuesday, in part because Saddam Hussein\'s regime had not accounted for some weapons by the time Clinton ended his term in 2001.
Clinton\'s comments reinforce one of the pillars of Bush\'s defense of the war in Iraq -- that his Democratic predecessor was never satisfied that Saddam had rid himself of weapons of mass destruction.
"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for," Clinton said during a televised interview.
Clinton said he never found out whether a U.S.-British bombing campaign he ordered in 1998 ended Saddam\'s capability of producing chemical and biological weapons. "We might have gotten it all, we might have gotten half of it, we might have gotten none of it," he said.
In his State of the Union (search) speech in February justifying the planned war in Iraq, Bush referred to British intelligence reports that Saddam had tried to purchase uranium for nuclear weapons production. His administration says it now believes those reports were based in part on forged documents.
Clinton confined his remarks to biological and chemical weapons, and did not say whether he would consider credible any report that Saddam had wanted to build a nuclear weapons program.
Nonetheless, he suggested that Bush\'s mistake was par for the course -- and that it was time to move on now that Bush had acknowledged the error.
"You know, everybody makes mistakes when they are president," he said. "I mean, you can\'t make as many calls as you have to without messing up once in a while. The thing we ought to be focused on is what is the right thing to do now."
Clinton said ending tensions in Iraq should be the priority now -- another echo of the current White House\'s talking points. "We should be pulling for America on this. We should be pulling for the people of Iraq."
Clinton made his remarks as a call-in guest on a program observing the 80th birthday of Bob Dole, his rival for the White House in 1996.
Kind of takes the steam out of the Dems. I wonder why he said this.
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Originally posted by Ace
I just gave you the justification. It is my opinion. By the way, since GWB doesn\'t send me all the top secret papers that come across his desk, I have to go with what I learn from the media. A lot of which I take with a grain of salt.
Then how do you "know" that Saddam has and had WMD?
How can you...ahem...WE know that Saddam had them when the intelligence community and our own government can\'t agree on that fact?
BTW, I stopped reading that first post after I saw Michael Moore\'s name.
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"We should be pulling for America on this. We should be pulling for the people of Iraq."
I think that said it best.
I rarely talk politics in RL much either, just easier and for some reason more fun online. Well, Im glad to hear you would drop him if it were true.
I was just calling it as I understood it. :)
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Ain\'t it funny, yet very very sad, than in the last few wars GWB went into, the main targets always go missing?
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As for Clinton lying under Oath, I can take that as long as it doesn\'t mean that the lie is going to get people killed....
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
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Ain\'t it funny, yet very very sad, than in the last few wars GWB went into, the main targets always go missing?
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As for Clinton lying under Oath, I can take that as long as it doesn\'t mean that the lie is going to get people killed....
Oh but it did mean people being killed. That aspirin factory he bombed during his little scandal most certainly had people in it.
Now I don\'t think he did it to avert eyes away from him but some people do believe that. I also don\'t remember the cries of bloody murder at the time either.
Ace
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Was it really an asprin factory? I remember slick Willie lobbing some cruise missles on different occasions, but I dont know what the targets were or ended up being.
Hell I would have been fine if all this idiot did was lob some cruise missles.