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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: fastson on July 28, 2003, 03:42:34 AM
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..if this is true?
Do people want to be fed with false info?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html
Makes me wonder if "source criticism" exists in Fox News little world.
Doesn’t objective media mean anything? Now I know why my social studies teacher told me they should not be taken seriously.
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Well after working in the news business for 7 years, I\'ll tell you that news organizations don\'t make stuff up. Except for the chosen few who are highly unethical and don\'t deserve to be a journalist.
What happens is that they are all in a fight for the same story With this they want to run every little thing they hear about. Problem is that if they wait until the tip is justified or verified then it could very well be "too late" and the competition has already run it.
With this you get miss information. This is the penalty for having cometing independent news agencies battling.
If the media was run by the government then no one would know anything so what would you rather have? It\'s a double edged sword.
Another thing the media does which is very damaging to credibility is they blow shit out of proportion. It is very annoying. I\'ve had reporters before presenting the story as if it\'s the end of the world when really they just installed a new street light.
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Originally posted by videoholic
What happens is that they are all in a fight for the same story With this they want to run every little thing they hear about. Problem is that if they wait until the tip is justified or verified then it could very well be "too late" and the competition has already run it.
With this you get miss information. This is the penalty for having cometing independent news agencies battling.
True.
But Fox News seem to be EXTREME in reporting every tiny big of ("positive") news (true or not true), and their objectivity seems to have taken a vacation.
As it says on the site: "Since the Iraq conflict began on March 20, Fox News has been on a mission to legitimize it. "
If the media was run by the government then no one would know anything so what would you rather have? It\'s a double edged sword.
What do you mean?
We have it like that here. Three channels that everybody with a television set and a antenna can watch. Two of them are owned by the state (owned as in "public service" - SVT 1 and 2), but the government does not control what they air, and it is absolutely forbidden to control/interfere what the News air.
Another thing the media does which is very damaging to credibility is they blow shit out of proportion. It is very annoying. I\'ve had reporters before presenting the story as if it\'s the end of the world when really they just installed a new street light.
Hehe, I agree.
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Dead On
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i trust the news we get as much as i trust organized religion. you have to take in a lot of it and then stuff it through a big bullshit filter. titrate that shit down and then make your best guess at what really happened.
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I trust Fox News more then I do with CNN. Now, blowing stuff out of proportion, that is a problem with the media in general (laci Peterson case. Who the FREAKING cares?). But the thing about Fox News is, they do it with giving BOTH sides of the story (you can argue they are giving the conservative side more sway, which I will not argue. Just that, if you actually WATCH CNN [more on this in the next paragraph]...). Doesn\'t mean that Fox News isn\'t bias (all networks are). Or, dare I say it, too "pro-American". But compared to the other networks...it is more "fair and balanced".
Second, CNN isn\'t innocent either. This is the channel that ADMITTED, that to keep an office in Baghdad, it allowed Saddam to do anything it wanted while CNN looked the other way. They also allowed to have their OWN workers tortured, and did nothing about it. After basically breaking the trust of the American people with stories like these, CNN has, for the most part been EXTREMELY anti-American in its reporting. Now, there is NOTHING wrong with reporting bad news about Americans in Baghdad (or bad news about the US in general). Yet, WHERE is the other side of the story? Where are the stories about Americans building schools and helping children have a better life? All we hear from CNN is how much the Iraqis hate Americans. Which is funny since, many polls done in Iraq shows that MOST Iraqis are glad that Americans are there and that life IS better. Fair and balanced?
And even with all that, even CNN is being critized as being too "conservative" or "flag waving". Makes you wonder what fair and balanced means to some people.
And again, the problem with the news in general, whether it is Fox News, CNN, New York Times, whatever...is not only what they decide to air, print, or talk about, but also what they do NOT tell you. You should be critical of anything you hear or read.
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Originally posted by Simchoy
All we hear from CNN is how much the Iraqis hate Americans. Which is funny since, many polls done in Iraq shows that MOST Iraqis are glad that Americans are there and that life IS better. Fair and balanced?
Wouldn\'t the poll results be kind of skewed? Its doubtful that they polled all Iraqi citizens. Thats like me going into a southern baptist church and having a poll on abortion.
The people who are not glad to have US in Iraq are too busy throwing grenades and shooting our troops to fill out happiness polls.
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Normally, I\'m critical of polls, and I\'m still am. But since these polls are coming from sources that are EXTREMELY crtical of the war, CNN or even the BBC, I tend to believe that, at the very least, MOST Iraqis are greatful for what the Americans have done.
Now, obviously NOT every Iraqis think Americans are great (espeically the one killing our soldiers) but to protray it like EVERYONE hates us there (like what CNN is doing) is just as "unfair" and "unbalanced" as what people are accusing Fox News as being too "pro-American".
It should be also pointed out that, CNN reporters, as well as BBC reporters, they like to sit in their nice hotels while anti-American factions in Iraq perade in front of them. In fact, there are even reports that CNN even KNOWS when the next anti-American protest happens because...the organizers call them up so that they can come. And again, the people protesting are all the same people. But CNN never tells you that part. Its another case of, its not only whats reported that should be critized, but also, what is NOT reported.
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I\'m sure they are extremely grateful, in 110 degree weather without eletric most the day. I know I\'d be happy with American\'s.
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I\'d rather have no electricity than no electricity in a cell with my nuts in a vice because I didn\'t agree with the Baath party.
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Originally posted by videoholic
I\'d rather have no electricity than no electricity in a cell with my nuts in a vice because I didn\'t agree with the Baath party.
Yeah your right vid I mean Iraq is such a nice place now.
I mean now you don\'t have to worry about Saddams Secret police dragging you away to be beaten or killed.
Its just a rampant lawlessness & corruption of the country and the total incompetence that is the American Occupation attempts to “rebuild” the country (r/e steal the oil) ;).
You see…..
Getting thrown in a cell and having 240 volts sent through your nuts by Saddams Secret police DOWN 100%
Being beaten and left for dead by an armed mob because all social amenities and civil structure has crumbled due to the war UP 800 %
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For all this oil talk, if I don\'t get cheap gas soon I am going to be really pissed at you guys for getting my hopes up.
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Originally posted by Ace
For all this oil talk, if I don\'t get cheap gas soon I am going to be really pissed at you guys for getting my hopes up.
its ok ACe you can sleep better tonight because all oil pipe lines /buildings and infrastructure was not only treated carefully during the conflict, but extra attempts where made to protect them after the “last bullet” was fired in the “war”.
While on the other hand Hospitals/ water & power plants where left totaly unguarded and resulted in either loss of stores or total loss of property due to damage from looting.
yup it sure was a Fair and Just war :rolleyes:
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The war was a success and it\'s going well now. No matter how much you say the opposite it will not be true. Sorry, I don\'t buy it unless I see proof.
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Oh I forgot this . . . :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ace
The war was a success and it\'s going well now. No matter how much you say the opposite it will not be true. Sorry, I don\'t buy it unless I see proof.
Going Well ?
53 DEAD US Marines since "victory" was Declared Bush.
Still No WMD found
Rising level of tension in the country
Possible return to Islamic radical fundamentalism
Tony Blair and New Labour future on a knife edge
yeah your right things are going great :rolleyes:
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:soapbox:
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I was in Atlanta last week and thought it was funny that they have two HUGE FOX billboards right outside CNN center. I wonder if CNN did the same thing to FOX.
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Originally posted by ooseven
Going Well ?
53 DEAD US Marines since "victory" was Declared Bush.
Still No WMD found
Rising level of tension in the country
Possible return to Islamic radical fundamentalism
Tony Blair and New Labour future on a knife edge
Yeah, those wmd are right in the open. ooseven, you don\'t think when the war started, Saddam didn\'t stash them in the desert? It pisses me off when people say the war was a waste because WMD are not found. The wars been over for only a couple months. IT TAKES TIME TO FIND THESE THINGS. As for the country tension, that too takes time to fix. Iraq won\'t be back on its feet for another few years. Seriously, it pisses me off when people beccome too impatient about this. People don\'t realize that all these modifications and searches take time. It doesn\'t happen over night.
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This was in the newspaper today.
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Text reads: "Christopher Coffin is one of the 293 allied who have died in Iraq. He died on 30th June, when the war already was won."
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I wonder why they don\'t post all the pics of the people who they saved by going to war. Or even the people that were released from the prisons that were in their for insane reasons.
Or go the other way. Wonder why they don\'t post the pics of the people that either died or raped at the hands of the regime that these men toppled.
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First, anyone hear about the barried jet planes they RECENTLY found in Iraq that happened? If it took them this long to find something THAT big in the desert, try finding viles, or even drums, of WMD in the desert.
Second, when it concerns the power situation...have you ever asked yourself, were there power there in the first place? Getting power back on is a little hard when there are areas that didn\'t have power in the first place now is it? Certain questions...people seem to convienantly not answer that question.
Third, lawlessness. What lawlessness? Sure, you may not have complete order like you did in Saddam\'s day, but what would you rather have? Absolutely no freedom to do anything for order or a freedom from the fear but with some "lawlessness"? I don\'t know about you, but I would rather have freedom then having to fear being raped, tourtured, or even murdered in order to have "order". Is Iraq a nice place? No. But what did you expect right AFTER the war ended? Instant peace and prosperity? :rolleyes:
Fourth, protecting the oil infrastructure and other government buildings. Well, first, if the oil infrastructure goes, where will the Iraqis get the money to rebuild their nation, and even rise up from the poverty that was inflicted on them by Saddam? Second, the government buildings...you need those documents in order find those WMD. If the USA loses those, it would make it even harder to find those weapons the people on the left are bitching about. Of coarse, I guess that would be the point since they never like the war in the first place. Third, limited resources...you CAN\'T have soldiers in every place protecting everything. You have to priorities. Also, like it or not, the war wasn\'t about helping civilians (maybe the positive after effect, but not the main reason) but finding those WMD. That gets priority first, then helping the civilians (which speaking of that...I will touch on this issue a little later).
Fifth, our soldiers being killed nearly everyday now. Unfortuenetly, until we get the police going again, it forces our soliders have to be the police force. Or do you want us to simply leave the nation and let the Iraqis fight it out? I\'m fine with that...but of coarse, that won\'t be right since...it would simply be wrong to let them deal with their own problems. But unless you have a better way of helping our soldiers while sill helping the Iraqis, I\'m all for it.
Sixth, the news coverage. As I have stated in this thread, its not simply what is being told that is missing in the coverage, but also what is NOT being told. How come you never hear the stories about the soldiers rebuilding schools, hospitals, and helping the people of Iraq get back in its feet? All you hear is how horrible the war is going from the media types. Fair and balanced? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by videoholic
I wonder why they don\'t post all the pics of the people who they saved by going to war. Or even the people that were released from the prisons that were in their for insane reasons.
Or go the other way. Wonder why they don\'t post the pics of the people that either died or raped at the hands of the regime that these men toppled.
They have already done that before.
The article is about the deaths of soldiers who died after Bush\'s Mission Complete speech (not all killed by enemies, some by accident´, some shot or blown up by friendlies.)
It also says: "According to terror-expert Magnus Ranstrop, professor at S:t Andrews University in Scotland, many al-Qaida inspired foreigners have flooded Iraq with the only purpose to kill as many western soldiers as possible.
- They\'re trying to make "thousands of wounds". Their purpose is to kill so many soldiers which will create a new Vietnam-syndrome in Iraq which will make it politically impossible for Bush and Blair to keep troops in the country."
Hmmm..
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Originally posted by videoholic
I wonder why they don\'t post all the pics of the people who they saved by going to war. Or even the people that were released from the prisons that were in their for insane reasons.
Or go the other way. Wonder why they don\'t post the pics of the people that either died or raped at the hands of the regime that these men toppled.
Cant speak for everyone, but I know I speak for alot.
We dont give a fukk about them, only our own. The whole reason we shouldnt have gone over there. Fukk them......
Yea, I know I was real eloquent, but it basically sums it up.
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I don\'t even think those people had a chance to be photographed. I mean, if you had a picture of yourself then you had to be pretty high class as an Iraqi.
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Originally posted by Simchoy
First, anyone hear about the barried jet planes they RECENTLY found in Iraq that happened? If it took them this long to find something THAT big in the desert, try finding viles, or even drums, of WMD in the desert.
Second, when it concerns the power situation...have you ever asked yourself, were there power there in the first place? Getting power back on is a little hard when there are areas that didn\'t have power in the first place now is it? Certain questions...people seem to convienantly not answer that question.
Third, lawlessness. What lawlessness? Sure, you may not have complete order like you did in Saddam\'s day, but what would you rather have? Absolutely no freedom to do anything for order or a freedom from the fear but with some "lawlessness"? I don\'t know about you, but I would rather have freedom then having to fear being raped, tourtured, or even murdered in order to have "order". Is Iraq a nice place? No. But what did you expect right AFTER the war ended? Instant peace and prosperity? :rolleyes:
Fourth, protecting the oil infrastructure and other government buildings. Well, first, if the oil infrastructure goes, where will the Iraqis get the money to rebuild their nation, and even rise up from the poverty that was inflicted on them by Saddam? Second, the government buildings...you need those documents in order find those WMD. If the USA loses those, it would make it even harder to find those weapons the people on the left are bitching about. Of coarse, I guess that would be the point since they never like the war in the first place. Third, limited resources...you CAN\'T have soldiers in every place protecting everything. You have to priorities. Also, like it or not, the war wasn\'t about helping civilians (maybe the positive after effect, but not the main reason) but finding those WMD. That gets priority first, then helping the civilians (which speaking of that...I will touch on this issue a little later).
Fifth, our soldiers being killed nearly everyday now. Unfortuenetly, until we get the police going again, it forces our soliders have to be the police force. Or do you want us to simply leave the nation and let the Iraqis fight it out? I\'m fine with that...but of coarse, that won\'t be right since...it would simply be wrong to let them deal with their own problems. But unless you have a better way of helping our soldiers while sill helping the Iraqis, I\'m all for it.
Sixth, the news coverage. As I have stated in this thread, its not simply what is being told that is missing in the coverage, but also what is NOT being told. How come you never hear the stories about the soldiers rebuilding schools, hospitals, and helping the people of Iraq get back in its feet? All you hear is how horrible the war is going from the media types. Fair and balanced? :rolleyes:
Nice reply. Although the only thing people will probably have to say back to you is that you spelled course wrong. :)