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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: ##RaCeR## on August 04, 2003, 04:54:43 AM
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Anyone seen this piece of sh!t that was directed by Larry Clark? Its been banned in almost every country including the UK and Australia (first film in over 30 years to be rejected censorship for a film festival, let alone wide release), and I\'m pretty sure no ones picked it up for distribution in the US.
It revolves around 3 different friends of Ken Park, a teen who kills himself at the local skate park. Its basically full of child porn, incest and murder. It has absolutely no plot, and makes no sense, other then implying that no one remembers who you are once your dead.
Anyone think this is creative license gone too far?
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all of larry clarks films are pieces of shit
kids, another day in paradise, bully, etc
the man should be barred from filmmaking
he is a pedophile and his films show that
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Never heard of him or his films ....and from the looks of things i don\'t want to.
So I am banning you and racer from ever telling me. ;)
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and how exactly did you see it racer if it was banned
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
other then implying that no one remembers who you are once your dead.
Hehe, makes me want to see it already. I\'ve only seen Kids from his hand, so can\'t really comment on him as a director. I like diversity though and I think we need anti-Hollywood blockbustes too. Perhaps it\'s just the European art snob side in me talking.
Then again, I\'m the same guy who wants to see The Brown Bunny because Chloë Sevigny performs onscreen fellatio.
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vincent gallo did brown bunny, reason enough to watch it
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Originally posted by mm
vincent gallo did brown bunny, reason enough to watch it
Heh, he also apologized for making it.
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It has not been banned here.
Sounds like crap so I wont see it.
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I had a friend in high school that though "Kids" was the greatest movie ever. He had the big ass movie poster on his wall and everything.
I thought it was one of the crappier movies I\'d ever seen.
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Sounds like shit to me.
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I\'ve got another couple of points.
1) Creative license can never go too far. If you think that you might as well be living in a facist country (well, with your government banning and censoring stuff it seems you already do).
2) Censorship = suckage. Why should any adult not have the option to watch (or read etc.) whatever he damn well pleases? Censorship is simply stupid by nature.
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The only one of Clark\'s films I\'ve seen is "Kids," and I hold a grudge against him for that alone. It was skillfully made, interesting, shocking, but when I think about the message behind it, it really filled me with rage. The US has been developing an unwritten cultural policy of scapegoating children for everything that\'s wrong with our society. Then this nimrod comes along to perpetuate the myth by making a fictional story in the guise of "reality" style filmmaking. I remember most viewers at the time were suckered in by it, thinking they were seeing some great TRUTH, when in fact they were just being manipulated. I\'m not saying Clark had some hidden agenda, just that he\'s as ignorant as the rest of the unthinking terrified masses in this country.
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I saw Bully a few nights ago.
Disturbing. Not a movie I\'d ever want to see again.
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Gman, Ken Park is like Bully, just another step up in terms of indecency.
Ken Park is available from numourous internet and P2P sites.
IMO, I don\'t think this kind of thing should have been banned at the Sydney and Melbourne film festivals. Film festivals are pretty big over here, and it gives new talent a place to showcase their work. If it had of been viewed here, it would have just proved what a whack job Larry Clark is and how he needs to be locked up for good. Artists, no matter what kind, should have a place for people to view their \'art\'. Its disgusting, but art is supposed to envoke emotion, and thats exactly what its done to me.
This movie is seriously disturbing. You see a boy skate to his local skatepark as the beginning credits roll, he is listening to some pretty heavy music. He sits down in the middle of the park, gets a camcorder out of his bag and places it facing him, then pulls a gan out and shoots himself in the head. The viewer see everything, the massive explosion that comes from the other side of his head, and they then have the nerve to show it again in slow mo.
Seriously, one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen, because it portrays suicide as something that you just go and do when life gets crappy.
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Alright Racer, now I\'ve seen this movie.
I\'m still puzzled as to where all that shocking imagery is. :)
I\'ve read about all the nudity/sex etc., but the truth is you hardly see anything \'shocking\'. The only thing is the guy jerking off, but other than that is was pretty tame. You don\'t see any actual oral sex nor penetration. It\'s all implied.
As for the suicide - have you seen Full Metal Jacket? The suicide in that is much more graphic (or at least I remember it that way).
As for the movie itself - I don\'t think it was half bad.
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I guess I\'m in the minority because I actually liked "Kids" and "Bully".
The fact that "Bully" was based on a true story made it that much more interesting to me. Those kids were ruthless. In a lot of movies, murder is such an easy thing for the stars to do. I like how "Bully" shows the kids planning the murder like its an easy Hollywood production before they are faced with the reality of it.
"I have no legs. I have no legs." :D
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Samwise, whats shocking is not the actual nudity or sex itself, but the way its implied. The way his father so tenderly strokes his 15 yr old sons leg hair before reaching out and touching his dick, its just sick.
The autoerotic asphyxiation scene was also pretty creepy. Kids die from doing these kinda things, and by the amount that kid came, I can see kids all across town trying it out.
It was just a twisted film. It didn\'t (IMO) make any sense, and it was just creepy because it revolved around kids.
Samwise, freaking hell, you see a kid eat out his girlfriends mum.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Samwise, whats shocking is not the actual nudity or sex itself, but the way its implied. The way his father so tenderly strokes his 15 yr old sons leg hair before reaching out and touching his dick, its just sick.
The autoerotic asphyxiation scene was also pretty creepy. Kids die from doing these kinda things, and by the amount that kid came, I can see kids all across town trying it out.
It was just a twisted film. It didn\'t (IMO) make any sense, and it was just creepy because it revolved around kids.
Samwise, freaking hell, you see a kid eat out his girlfriends mum.
And you don\'t think these things really happen?
I think it\'s important to open your mind once in a while (or preferably all the time). The movie is not unrealistic! That\'s the whole point! It is of course dramaticed to fit in a movie perspective.
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Samwise, freaking hell, you see a kid eat out his girlfriends mum.
Yeah, I liked that scene too. ;)
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I know that these things happen, but thats the point, they shouldn\'t happen! Kids shouldn\'t have to go through with this. Just because it happens doesn\'t make it right.
It was gritty, disturbing, and certainly struck a chord within me (which is exactly what art is supposed to do), I just think its so tacky. Do people really need to see this sort of stuff just to say "hmm, that was entertaining"? Its art for arts sake. The movie had no plot or good moral value at the end, it left the viewer feeling sick, it did for me anyway.
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shocking, disturbing and considered utter trash by the general public.....I must see this movie.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
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I know that these things happen, but thats the point, they shouldn\'t happen! Kids shouldn\'t have to go through with this. Just because it happens doesn\'t make it right.
It was gritty, disturbing, and certainly struck a chord within me (which is exactly what art is supposed to do), I just think its so tacky. Do people really need to see this sort of stuff just to say "hmm, that was entertaining"? Its art for arts sake. The movie had no plot or good moral value at the end, it left the viewer feeling sick, it did for me anyway.
That\'s the thing. I don\'t think it\'s entertainment, but rather it makes me think. And isn\'t that what art should strive for? If I wanted brainless entertainment I\'d watch the latest stupid Hollywood blockbuster.
Imagine having a father like that no-good white trash beer-drinking dad. Yuck.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
I know that these things happen, but thats the point, they shouldn\'t happen! Kids shouldn\'t have to go through with this. Just because it happens doesn\'t make it right.
It was gritty, disturbing, and certainly struck a chord within me (which is exactly what art is supposed to do), I just think its so tacky. Do people really need to see this sort of stuff just to say "hmm, that was entertaining"? Its art for arts sake. The movie had no plot or good moral value at the end, it left the viewer feeling sick, it did for me anyway.
People shouldn\'t get commit murder; but It happened in just about every movie this year but Seabiscuit and Finding Nemo.
Is it the realism that you had a problem with? Would you rather he implied that all that bad stuff was happening? Do you think it would have had the same effect on the audience? I\'m sure he wanted you to be disturbed by what you were seeing.
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Gohan, I was maily disturbed by the fact that it wasn\'t seen as being negative. It was like it was totally okay for the father to be molesting his son, that is was ok for this guy to kill his two grandparents in the nude and then go and jack off afterwards.
It didn\'t have a moral to the story or anything. Have you seen it?
If not, I suggest you have a look before commenting further.