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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: videoholic on August 05, 2003, 05:40:12 AM
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Ah, a couple preseason games down and the season is underway. God I hate preseason. Why can\'t they just have a couple scrimmages, boot the crappy players and lets get it on.
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Gawd, that draft is taking forever. Why didn\'t we use yahoo?
How bad did the Pack look last night? Blech.
Anyway. Go Pats.
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Yeah the draft is gonna take weeks at this rate... I was all set to go tonight, then it got pushed back 2 weeks, now this thread draft.....
I got to watch a little bit of the game last night.... I hate preseason, it\'s such a tease. Bring on the regular season!
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Yeah, why have the Draft thread if we have a draft in two weeks?
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Who knows. The keeper draft will be a yahoo one at least.
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I dunno. The only thing I can think of is that Freestylah is retarded.
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And ghey
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Bah! It\'s because everone can draft who they want. They don\'t have to worry about teh ghey autopick. I see no problem with it except that it will take some time. I didn\'t wanna set a date cuz we have 12 people, and it seemed no matter what the time or date, not everyone could make it.
So just check here everyday and it should flow nicely.
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Once everyone knows it\'s going on it will speed up. But Freestylah is still a ghey retard.
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I think one round a day should suffice.
As for the gay retard comments, I will concur.
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where the hell is m22j
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Yeah man, are you going to set a time limit on how long someone has to make their pick? Like if 12-24 hours pass and they don\'t make a pick they get whoever is the highest rated person available on the KTTL depth chart.
I know most of the people don\'t know about the draft yet, so maybe starting tomorrow or something?
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Yeah thats what I was thinking. Imagine if one guy was on a week vacation, it would really pause us... So I\'ll implement that rule... We\'ll go by the KTTL depth chart... They have 24 hours after the last pick, and this rule will be put in place the day after tomorrow, Thursday - August 7th.
I sent m22j a PM. Don\'t worry... Once everyone knows whats going on it will start flowin\'.
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piss ant
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Dance with me buff man.
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Do you realize that if everyone took 24 hours it would take over 4 months to draft.. :)
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di smells funny is up....draft bitch!
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who is Di smells funny?
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SwifDi
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yeah so i like the bears.
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no you don\'t, you\'re a Bengals fan. Don\'t hide it.
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no, swifdi is pimpin longstockings
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Damn guys I didn\'t even know that the draft was going on. But look at it now. I drafted hours and hours ago and the 4th person is still yet to draft. I still think we should just wait tell the 19th to draft on yahoo....
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sorry, I was out all day. I\'ll usually be pretty quick to respond though.
And I\'m Di Smells Funny :)
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If it appears that each pick will take 24 hours then I\'m just going to shoot myself because the world hates me.
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theomen loads gun for Vapor
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Vid makes sure the safety is off.
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just so you know, Hurricane is out of town until friday (I think)... so you might have to pick for him from the rankings.
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Mike is up. This draft is just sailin along.
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I\'m drafting for the 04 season anyway. We weren\'t planning on doing it this season were we?
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Seriously, this draft is going horribly. How bad does it have to get until we stop this insanity and just set a live draft date for late august?
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We can\'t go back now, people have already made and revealed picks, we just gotta get through this.
If things are getting really sluggish, I\'ll make a date in which we all meet here at the forums and try to jumpstart the draft. Those who miss that date will get autodrafted.
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We are only like 6 picks into the draft. I don\'t see why we can\'t just do the live draft later in Aug. Everybody that has already drafted will most likely draft the same player again......
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Fine, its settled. I\'m setting a draft date in late August. If you can\'t make it, then too bad, I\'m sorry, but this thread idea sucks.
Vid, delete the draft thread. I\'m setting a date and its in stone. Good day sirs.
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NO MORE DRAFTING
Here is the draft date set in stone, no more changes, draft time for Yahoo:
Saturday, August 23 at 7:30 pm PDT
If you can\'t make it, I\'m sorry, but good luck with pre-rankign your players and trying to get the guys you want!
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I\'ll be doing my toes that day.
BTW, I love it when I am right. Didn\'t they want to do a thread draft with the keeper league? Or did they just want us to all go into a chat room. anyway, yahoo is by far the easiest way.
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Without question. Man I\'m such a tard.
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yeah
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uh huh
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GO PATRIOTS!!!
Undefeated in 2003! Reclaim that championship!
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Nah it\'s all about them Niners. Erickson has them hitting harder then ever, I\'d really watch out for the Niner defense to come out as sleepers. They\'ve got so much speed, and if they can lay down some hits... ouch.
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You are such a homer. I on the other hand look at the NFL as a whole and I have to say the Bucs are only going to get better and I don\'t think it matters at all how good SF is, they have no freaking shot of making it out of our bay.
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I see Tampa facing a similar season to that of what the Ravens had after their Superbowl win.
Maybe some injuries, and then a gameplan the rest of the NFL can figure out.
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Well you can never count injuries into the equation because that is a huge unknown and any team would falter with key injuries.
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Also, the Bucs didn\'t do enough to beef up their offense during the offseason. You have Michael Pittman who possibly may see some jailtime, and then they pick up Thomas Jones... Jones is a mirror copy of Pittman, with less speed, more bulk. I just really don\'t like that TB offense, and don\'t think they can have another successful year only riding the defense\'s coattails.
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The offense hardly needs to score and they didn\'t seem to have too many problems scoring the end of last year. Oh and Michael Pittman had a pretty darn good Post Season so I\'ll take a clone of him if that\'s what we have to have.
The Bucs will ride the Defense again this year, but that\'s fine. The offense doesn\'t always have to be the one who scores. Thank God.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
I see Tampa facing a similar season to that of what the Ravens had after their Superbowl win.
Maybe some injuries, and then a gameplan the rest of the NFL can figure out.
The only difference is the B\'More\'s Defense was ripped apart after the season.
The Bucs have pretty much the same squad with additions that should only make them better. I don\'t know if they\'ll repeat as champs but their D is still going to be a force.
BTW, Go Pats.
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Man, that big ass DT the Patriots put at Linebacker rules.
I forget his name but he\'s frickin\' cool.
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Niners whooped ass! Even though it\'s just preseason, they did pretty well.
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Niners rawk! Their defense seems to be beefed up, and are even faster than last year.
Ken Dorsey was the man!
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Last time the Giants lost all their preseason games, they went to the Super Bowl. The moral of the story...preseason means nothing.
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Well I\'m not looking at it in that way. Preseason to me gives me a chance to see a taste of my team\'s future. I like to see the backup guys and see where we have depth, and where we need depth.
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I already know all of that about my team :p
The only thing I like about preseason is seeing rookies play. Last year watching Shockey was great. Besides that there isn\'t much of value in it to me. But hey, at least it\'s still football.
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Shockey = OVERRATED!! OVERRATED!!
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If you followed the Giants, you wouldn\'t say that. He has single handedly changed the offense. They are a totally different team with him. Never have I ever seen one player step right in and make that much of a difference. Never.
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Yeah Shockey\'s got game. He has opened up that Giants defense in so many ways, they\'re actually pretty productive now.
He\'s definately the best TE in the game right now.
But...
Julian Peterson > Jeremy Shockey
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Shockey isnt the best TE in the NFL.
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Entertain me, who is then?
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Tony Gonzalez. For now.
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yup
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Yeah, I was expecting to hear that. I dunno, I lost a lot of my awe in Gonzo when Julian Peterson made him his girlfriend.
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Shockey can do some things better than Gonzo already. He could very easily surpass him this year, but for now, I think Tony Gonzalez is still the more proven best TE in the NFL.
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Shockey had what? 2 TD catches last year?
If he has like 7 or 8 this year then he\'ll change my mind.
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Exactly. That\'s what needs to be improved. However, I think he will be better overall this year. He caught 74 passes for 894 yards last year, but 50 and 592 of those were in the second half. Since it was his rookie season, it showed that he was learning and getting better as he got used to the NFL. Because of that, I expect a better year from him this year. Also, with better chemistry with Collins, more TD passes will come. Remember, he had 7 receptions and a touchdown in their playoff game, so that shows he was continuing to get better even then.
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Can somebody send me a PM the day of the draft?
Im bad with memory.
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*cough* Kellen Winslow Jr *cough*
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Yeah, I was expecting to hear that. I dunno, I lost a lot of my awe in Gonzo when Julian Peterson made him his girlfriend.
He made Gonzo is girlfriend after he raped him every damn play, and never got called for it. Julian Peterson could quite possibly be the most overrated Linebacker in the game.
Gonzo > Shockey > Heap. Kellen Winslow Jr. will be good in time, but he\'ll pay his knocks at Miami until then.
Oh, and just so we\'re all perfectly clear: Go Chiefs :)
See Yuz.
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Is everyone ready to royally rape my team? I\'m losing Favre, Pennington, Ward, Holt and Shaun Alexander tonight....
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Omen, get into the draft room :)
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My butt hole doesn\'t feel too bad. I walked away from the draft feeling pretty confident in my team, so woot for me.
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I love mine too. Henry on the bench. YAY. Might wanna upgrade the QB though.
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I can\'t believe I forgot it!!!
I knew I would
I was playing Madden with Iraethan.
UGH!!!
But my team turned out pretty good. Let me know if anyone wants to do some trading action.
Damn Omen, you have some serious backs and QB. Ugh. You suck.
And Rod Garner has some good weeks. Had him last year.
Hope you won\'t cry starting the season o-1 at the hands of the cocky.
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I\'ll trade Troy Brown and Green Bay Defense for a top 3 Defense
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I would like to upgrade Pennington if anyone is interested.
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^^
I might deal Vick
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Make me an offer.
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Can we all put our team names in our signatures. I have no idea what teams some of you even are.
How about Brad Johnson and Christian Fauria
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Chad Pennington and Tony Gonzalez
Brad Johnson scored mucho points second half of the year last year.
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Favre is on the block to be traded
make me an offer if interested
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Awww dammit. I forgot too. Damn you Madden!!!
Time to go check out how bad my team is.
[EDIT] Well it seems like I\'ve mucked up. Trades have been accepted so things should be back in order. Sorry about not preranking my keepers.
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This thread keeps locking my computer up....
There are still quite a few descent players out there to be picked up...
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Originally posted by videoholic
Can we all put our team names in our signatures. I have no idea what teams some of you even are.
Mine is my user title. :)
And here\'s the list:
PiMpIn LoNgStOcKiNgS=SwifDi
The Osmosis Kittens=shockwaves
Nebraska Cornhuskers=ROL Jamas
Boston Massacre=Gohan
Indigo Ranchers 2.0=JBean
Team Cocky South=videoholic
The Mother ****ers=LUKE
Omens Assclowns=theomen
And Vid, I wouldn\'t be interested in that trade. I\'d prolly take Pennington over Johnson to begin with. That\'s why I took him with Johnson still on the board.
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Really? That\'s interesting. One of these days the Stigma of the Bucs having no offense will be lifted. Johnson scored some major points going down the stretch last year. I\'ll just keep him. You may want him week 4......... :)
Heck,. last years stats, Brad Johnson is better than Pennington even though he was on a completely new offense and he missed 3 games. But to each his own...
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Pennington was also in his first year as a starter and missed 3-4 games to start the season. And last year Pennington passed for more yards, ran for more yards, ran for more touchdowns, threw the same number of touchdowns, and the same number of interceptions, and had a higher passer rating...so...yeah. Pennington was actually better by the stats.
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hey shocks I meant to pull the trigger on the favre deal, but I hit the wrong button. Check your trade proposals
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Just think Pippy Longstockings the chick with red hair, and me.
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Nice dealing with ya JBean :)
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Here\'s to Favre having another glorious 16 INT season. heh
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I had no use for favre, plus him and gannon had the same bye week so I had to do something.
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No, it\'s a good trade on your part. If you need the receiver.
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I like it because I keep Pennington, who could start if he reaches his potential, but if not, I have Favre, who\'s proven and consistant.
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Ok, here are my needs and haves.
I have excess wid recievers, I\'ll trade basically any of them. What I\'d like to do is Keep Chad and TO, and trade any or all of the other along with Edge for an upgrade at RB. But I\'d be willing to trade T.O along with edge for a top 5 WR and a top 5 RB. I\'d also like to upgrade sharpe and my defense. So if someone needs a good #3 WR or a backup who\'s a top 15-20 WR and has a good Defense or TE let me know, I\'ll package Sharpe up with a WR for a top TE.
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How can you need a running back? Don\'t you have Williams and James?
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Yeah, but James is a top 10 rb, and I have too many WR\'s, so if I can ditch one or two backups and upgrade James a little, then I\'m happy.
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I have nothing for ya. Ahman Green and Eddie George are both well below your two.
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I\'d place Green above James.
Omen, let me take a look at what I can do. I\'m likely not interested in trading Gonzo like that, but I have a top defense I\'ll trade, and Henry is available too. Any of that interest you?
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I myself am very interested in Henry, but I don\'t know what i\'m willing to give up to get him.
(Holmes is not available for trade... unless somebody made a rediculous offer) :p
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what defense?
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Pittsburgh.
And JBean, if you want Henry, I would be interested in maybe upgrading one of my WR\'s to Moss. If that\'s acceptable, then we can talk.
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Gohan, what do you want for the Tampa D?
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I\'m looking to upgrade at WR. Already have Driver and Boston to give, would be willing to packae either with Aaron Brooks for a Top 5 WR. Would also be willing to trade Portis or Alexander and Brooks in a package deal that woul land me another Top 5 RB (would perfer to trade Alexander). Also looking to upgrade on Defense, just gimmie some offer, I\'m always open.
See Yuz.
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JBean, would this interest you:
Henry and Coles for Davis and Moss
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Henry, Toomer, Gonzo
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Davis, Moss, McMichael
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Not a chance.
Gonzo isn\'t gonna be traded unless shockey\'s in the deal, or it\'s a rediculous offer.
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Yeah dude, I\'m seriously considering that trade... Give me a day to think about it.
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Gohan, you smelly slut, what is it going to take to get the Tampa D?
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Originally posted by Luke
Yeah dude, I\'m seriously considering that trade... Give me a day to think about it.
I really didn\'t know which one I thought would do better, but I figured I\'d rather have shockey just because he\'s a Giant :)
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Vick, fractured right fibula. Out for 6 weeks, probably longer.
Man that sucks for whoever has him, I think theomen.
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go Tom Brady! Woot....
This sucks for me in two ways, I lose my starting QB and my second favorite team is a bit screwed now. shit
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I\'ll give you McNair, but I\'m desperate for a solid WR cuz Jimmy Smith is a druggy.
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I\'ll stick with Brady at qb for the first 3-4 weeks. But I gave you a trade offer anyways.
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K, I rejected your trade. I just want one solid WR. But thanks for being a sweetheart.
I gave the Team Cockster a trade.
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that\'s the kinda guy I am *smooches*
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I don\'t think I\'ll trade the Bucs D. They are the closest thing to guaranteed points, on my squad. I have a lot of players that could be either great or horrible.
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Ah.. Hence the reason why we drafted too early. Doh.
I\'ll go give the trade a looksy.
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Anyone notice the Madden curse? All the people on the cover of game, eddie george, daunte culpepper, marshall faulk and now Vick.
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Trade doesn\'t do anything for me other than take away my star receiver. The back is great, but I don\'t know if he\'s enough better than the backs I already have. My 4th WR sucks and for me to bring him in I\'d need something more.
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Di, Keyshawn Johnson is your 4th WR. Don\'t worry about it.
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Yeah Vapor, Keyshawn is more than adequate as a #3. I remember when he used to be touted as a #1....
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He\'s only a yardage whore, he\'ll never get me TDs, but oh well.
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*shockwaves bets he gets more touchdowns this year
A second year under Gruden will only be good for him.
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Your optimism is so sweet, i wub u shox
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:)
Just don\'t ask me what I think about the rest of your team :p
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Porter for W. Green... I likey!
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by the looks of it porter is gonna have a good year, as i\'m thinking green is too. Now i\'m gonna have the depth at RB that i\'ve wanted all along. :)
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Originally posted by shockwaves
*shockwaves bets he gets more touchdowns this year
A second year under Gruden will only be good for him.
And hence the reason why Brad Johnson is going to score way more than Pennington.
Only problem I see with Brad Johnson is if the defense plays as well as they do, they run so damn much in the second half to waste the clock. It\'s so much better when the bucs use to be down all of the time because you got all of the prevent bogus yards at the end of the game.
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well, I don\'t think you guys have to worry about running on 3rd downs, should be plenty of third and longs :D
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Sweet. Johnson will be on my bench anyway.
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Bucs will go 7-9 this year, mark my words.
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Swifdi, vapor snake, freesylah, virtually everything you said last year did not come true so I am certainly grinning from ear to ear right now.
Only thing going against the Bucs is their schedule. The Rams on the other hand. Whoo.. THey have a nice one.
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Chiefs: 12-4, AFC West Champs. Mark it down.
Ah, hoo-rah for being biased.
See Yuz.
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As much as it pains me to say this, the Rams will take the NFC. I don\'t really dislike them at all, but I would rather the Niners or Falcons took it.
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I think it will be the Bucs for now. Until I see any team have a clue against the defense it\'s just hard to bet against them.
If for some reason the defense falters this year then I would have to go with the Rams with a healthy Faulk.
49ers I don\'t think have a chance in hell.
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Niners will win the Superbowl, and go 16-0.
Quote that.
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Originally posted by videoholic
And hence the reason why Brad Johnson is going to score way more than Pennington.
Only problem I see with Brad Johnson is if the defense plays as well as they do, they run so damn much in the second half to waste the clock. It\'s so much better when the bucs use to be down all of the time because you got all of the prevent bogus yards at the end of the game.
Trust me, you don\'t want a team that\'s always behind for a fantasy quarterback. It means he\'ll force things, and have more interceptions. Just look at Culpepper, Carr, Harrington, Plummer, and others who were always playing from behind.
But take into consideration that this is Pennington\'s 2nd year as a starter. That means more than 2nd year under a new coach developmentally. Also remember that Pennington played fewer games than Johnson and yet had better stats. Add in that Pennington was the highest rated QB in the AFC, and that he plays in a passing attack that fits his strengths and weaknesses perfectly, and you have good things.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Only thing going against the Bucs is their schedule. The Rams on the other hand. Whoo.. THey have a nice one.
I can name MANY more things going against the Bucs.
1) Name the last defensive football team to repeat as champions. They just don\'t. All the great defenses are figured out sooner or later. Great defenses are always figured out. This even happened during the season last year. They had 17 or more scored on them once in the first six games, but 3 times in the last five. They also created far fewer turnovers as the season went on
2) The offense is still not great. Their running game is just bad. Pittman is not a good running back, and never will be. Alstott isn\'t enough either. Teams will lock more into the passing attack this year and that could mean more frustrations and turnovers in that part of the game. Although Keyshawn, McCardell, and Jurevicious are all good WR\'s, that is a bad WR core as a whole. They are all the same sort of posession WR\'s. None of them is a deep threat that can stretch the defense. That\'s a problem.
3) It is hard as hell to repeat in this sport. No defending champ has made it out of the first round of the playoffs in several years. Everyone is gunning for you. You\'re the team to beat, which means you\'re studied more by the other contenders. There is no team without weaknesses, and people will find them the next time around.
Originally posted by videoholic
I think it will be the Bucs for now. Until I see any team have a clue against the defense it\'s just hard to bet against them.
*cough* New Orleans *cough*
Originally posted by theomen
As much as it pains me to say this, the Rams will take the NFC. I don\'t really dislike them at all, but I would rather the Niners or Falcons took it.
I don\'t think they win it either. The team has gotten much worse. Sure the stars are still there: Warner, Holt, Bruce, Faulk...but what about the rest of the team? The defense was really bad last year, and it only got worse during the off season. They lost Dexter McCleon and Dre Bly and replaced them with Jason Sehorn for godsake. They also lost Proehl the year after losing Hakim, which leaves them much thinner at WR. I don\'t see them winning the NFC, or even their division for that matter. The Niners are a better team.
Personally, I see one of a few teams winning the NFC: Bucs, Packers, Eagles, Giants, Falcons, Redskins. Let me explain each one.
Eagles: They lost some on defense, but they are still one of the best defensive teams out there. McNabb is healthy now, and a full season of work will have him playing much better in the playoffs. If Duce continues to hold out, Buckhalter is more than enough to replace him. Also, mark this down: McNabb is still better than Vick.
Bucs: They did it last year, and have the same team pretty much. Jurevicious really emerged in the playoffs, and could contribute a lot more this year. Gruden will make sure they always have a chance to win.
Packers: They have a Pro Bowl RB, and one of the better QB\'s ever. Driver has emerged as a great WR, and the defense played well for the most part last year. If the defense can step up a little more, they have a chance.
Falcons: Everyone focuses on Vick, but look around him. Price gives him a legit #1 WR. Dunn/Duckett are decent in the backfields, and I think Duckett will be better this year. But most importantly, they have a really good defense behind all that. If they can learn to beat the Bucs, watch out. Vick will be back in time for it to still be possible.
Giants: The offense is going to be incredible this year. Barber should have been a pro bowler, and Collins is really comfortable in the offense now. Shockey and Toomer are both pro bowl calliber players as well. But think about this. When the Giants offense took off last year, they were playing with 1 WR. Their #2, #3, and #4 WRs were all injured. All are back now. Watch out. The defense is good too, and Will Allen and Peterson will only get better. The special teams is totally redone.
Redskins: There is always a surprise team, right? Ramsy will be a lot better this year, and Spurrier will do better with his game design as well. He surrounded himself with the players he wanted, and no team gained more over the offseason than the Redskins. Coles and Garner are a GREAT 1 2 punch at WR. The defense is still filled with play makers.
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I have to totally disagree with your redskins thinking, I am positive they will be 8-8 at BEST. You can\'t hinge your hope and expect to win with a very inexperienced QB and most likely no running game to take pressure off of him. I think it\'s gonna be a long season for them, plus i\'m a little biased as they are one of my least favorite teams.
GO CHIEFS!
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Originally posted by JBean
I have to totally disagree with your redskins thinking, I am positive they will be 8-8 at BEST. You can\'t hinge your hope and expect to win with a very inexperienced QB and most likely no running game to take pressure off of him. I think it\'s gonna be a long season for them, plus i\'m a little biased as they are one of my least favorite teams.
GO CHIEFS!
Just like how people said the same things before the Rams won on the inexperienced Kurt Warner and the Pats did the same with the inexperienced Tom Brady. Two of the the last four Super Bowls HAVE been won by quarterbacks with less experience than Ramsy has. As for no running game, I really do feel that Canidate will be enough to take the place of Davis. Last year, in his end of the year starts against good defenses, Ramsy looked great. The offensive line has been improved, and the addition of Coles will help a lot. I\'m not saying they will do it, but I\'m saying they\'re sorta like my sleeper team.
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The Rams will go 7-9 at best... I love that they got Sehorn! Terrell Owens will run circles around him, and gets to do it twice this year!
I do not think that Warner will ever be the same again. His confidence is shaken more than anything, he\'s struggled thus far in the preseason, and I doubt we\'ll ever see that explosive offense from the Rams we saw in their Superbowl year again. Faulk is starting to be an injury-proned back (now suffering from soreness in his knee), and he just can\'t last 16 games, he hasnt the past two seasons... I say the only legitimate shot the Rams have will be once Marc Bulger gets behind center, cuz he has the talent that Warner has seemed to lost.
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To correct your last post, Warner looked really good against the Bucs in their preseason game the other night. I think Warner could do fine this year. Preseason means nothing, and he was playing hurt all last year.
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Warner went 7-7 in the opening drive against Tampa\'s starting D, not a bad showing at all. Of course they didn\'t play Faulk, he\'s starting his decline. And to my surprise the Rams D played really well last night. I\'m interested in seeing how they do this year.
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Preseason means nothing. The Rams defense looked good last night, yes, but in preseason, anyone can look good.
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yeah I know preseason means nothing, but it can sometimes give you a good look at a player coming back from injury. Just remember the Redskins preseason last year, and look how their season went.
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One thing I love about you guys is that you are some of the worst football prognosticators on the internet. It\'s funny reading last years stuff and seeing how little that virtually any of you said panned out.
And yes, preseason means abslutely nothing. They evaluate talent. They don\'t use really any good plays. They don\'t do any game planning. It\'s absolutely useless. If the owners truely need two more home games to make ends meet then lets just make the season 18 games and make preseason 2 games. Talent in the 4th team is so diluted who cares how they perform at the end of the 4th quarter anyway.
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My picks last year weren\'t too awful. I picked both Super Bowl teams to win their divisions, more than half my playoff picks made it. My Superbowl pick was the Eagles, and they made it to the NFC title game.
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Check out the post season stuff. Actually I may not even be referring to you. I don\'t remember who said what. Other than of course the homer Swifdi who obviously predicted great things for the 49ers. Doh.. Also I remember no one giving any credit to the bucs. Every game it was just a fluke. Even though they smoked every team in the playoffs.
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The Bucs won me money in the Super Bowl. Defense DOES win championships.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
My Superbowl pick was the Eagles, and they made it to the NFC title game.
Well, you were only a year early, which isn\'t too bad.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Check out the post season stuff. Actually I may not even be referring to you. I don\'t remember who said what. Other than of course the homer Swifdi who obviously predicted great things for the 49ers. Doh.. Also I remember no one giving any credit to the bucs. Every game it was just a fluke. Even though they smoked every team in the playoffs.
Hah, well obviously I\'m gonna ride my Niners like a train. But in all honesty I watch football on Sundays from sunrise to sunset, I see players, I see teams, I see coaching. I made some decent calls last year, and although I have no proof here I told all my friends how Vick would be taken out this year.
EDIT: I\'ll do division by division like theomen-
NFC West[/color]: Niners[/color]
The Rams will not win this division. I don\'t care if Warner went 7 for 7 against the Bucs, they were primarily short dump off passes, and I\'m not convinced that he\'s back. They\'re defense is extremely leaky and the Niners still have the same offensive weapons that have proven to be consistent, and a young (and very fast) defense only getting better. The Seahawks should give the Niners a run for their money, but still have to prove they can stop the run and put pressure on QB\'s. The Cardinals are going to be the worst team in the NFL.
NFC South[/color]: Buccaneers[/color]
Bucs are virtually the same team. There haven\'t been an significant offseason events that have shown that any other team in the NFC South can take them down. The Falcons probably won\'t fall too hard without Vick, but it\'s still gonna hurt. The Saints just have to shape up that defense, and the Panthers are a mess at quarterback.
NFC North[/color]: Vikings[/color]
Possibly the worst division, the Vikings finished the season by turning heads. The defense clamped down, and the offense produced behind new star back Michael Bennett. Unfortunately the Viks will be without Bennett this year, but veteran Moe Williams has proven to be a reliable second back and Onterrio Smith is a rookie who shares similar characteristics to Bennett. The Bears won\'t go anywhere because they lack a consistent running game, and the choke-master Kordell Stewart. Lions will continue to improve, but not make much more than a dent in the NFC North. And the Packers are on a steady decline, with injury prone backs, perhaps Favre\'s last year, and a weak supporting cast behind Donald Driver amongst the recieving corps.
NFC East[/color]: Eagles[/color]
The Eagles could possibly lose Staley, but Buckhalter is just as good, if not better a back. McNabb is still one of the best quarterbacks in the league, and the Philly\'s defense is still as stingy as ever. I don\'t see the Giants repeating simliar success, they have too many holes in their secondary, and that Niners comeback just makes me wonder if the Giants ever have a game in which they\'ve "sealed the deal". Cowboys are going to be pretty pathetic, Parcells can\'t even change that; they have perhaps the worst passing game, the only light shinin from their star would be from young Troy Hambrick, besides that, they\'ll be horrible. The Redskins will not benefit from Trung Candidate and will miss Stephen Davis sooner than expected... Laverneus Coles will help, but this team never seems to be good when they\'re expected to impress.
AFC West[/color]: Chiefs[/color]
I think Vermeil is shapin this team out to be his old Superbowl Rams with a star running back, decent recieving options, and the only question mark is Trent Green. If Green can emerge as one of the AFC\'s top passers, this team will have a lethal offense. The Raiders hit their summit last season, and from here it\'s all downhill, I\'m lookin for some injuries to either Rice, Gannon, or Garner to really set their season on a spiral. Broncos will realize Jake Plummer is not the answer, and the Chargers really have to fix that secondary.
AFC South[/color]: Titans[/color]
The Titans are a good team because they\'re great in the clutch. McNair\'s experience will really take them far, and if George can stay healthy then things get even better. The Colts should be better, but still have questions concerning their secondary... Texans will enter their sophomore year as an expansion team and should show a little promise, but nothing great. The Jaguars are missing depth at WR, and Brunell is beginning to show some age.
AFC North[/color]: Browns[/color]
Announcing Holcomb as the starting QB can only mean good thigns for the Browns. Holcomb revived this offense and turned 4 regular guys into star recievers (Northcutt, Davis, Morgan, Johnson). William Green ended on a pretty good note, and should continue running like a top back. The Steelers will be good, but they have to get Zereoue in, and Bettis out. The Ravens are another mess at quarterback, and will look to ride on Jamal Lewis\' coattails... And well the Bengals should improve on offense, but their defense still needs another year under Marvin Lewis in order to show true promise.
AFC East[/color]: Dolphins[/color]
Dolphins really took it up a notch on defense by adding Junior Seau. They should be a tough team to put points up against and have the league\'s top rusher in Ricky Williams. The Jets are a mess at offensive line, and Pennington will have a difficult time staying safe in the pocket, and well LaMont Jordan and C-Mart splittin carries might either turn out to be beneficial or it could hurt, and Curtis Conway never seems to be healthy. The Bills acquired Takeo Spikes, but they still have question marks on their defense. The Patriots have a crap run game, but should be a relatively decent threat.
NFC Champ: Niners[/color]
Probably a longshot, but I never doubt my team.
AFC Champ: Titans[/color]
Pretty uniforms.
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here are my picks
NFC division winners;
Rams
Bucs
Eagles
Packers
NFC wildcard;
Giants and niners
AFC division winners;
Raiders
Dolphins
Pittsburg
Tennesee
Wildcard
Denver and Jets
I think KC could be there, but they play in a tough ass division.
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Originally posted by IareEthan
Well, you were only a year early, which isn\'t too bad.
I picked the Bucs the year before they won it all, so who knows.
And my picks:
Dolphins
Steelers
Titans
Raiders
Wild Card: Colts, Chiefs
Giants
Packers
Bucs
Niners
Wild Card: Saints, Eagles
AFC Champs: Steelers
NFC Champs: Giants (why the hell not?)
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How bout your Giants shocky?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0819/1599276.html
Now that\'s teamwork!
:p
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That\'s happened EVERY year. Remember Strahan and Barber I believe it was? I was at training camp one year when a fight broke out. It\'s nothing new.
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Thats why they didn\'t beat the Niners, ghey sex in the Racer-Shower-Wrestling in the lockerrooms!
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If there is no fight then the team isn\'t ready to play.
Game on.
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But there has to be some sort of team chemstry in which they all work as one unit, instead of a bunch of goons at each others throats. But it\'s all good in the heezy foh sheezy. Kerry Collins for MVP.
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I\'m going to the Bills preseason game on Sat. vs. St. Louis.... should be fun. I\'m bringin\' my digi cam, so I\'ll post some piccies.
Decent seats too, 60 yd line... bout 30 rows up... and -FREE! YAY!
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Take the pics quick. Although this is the third week so I guess the starters will play a full half.
Game on!!
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Originally posted by SwifDi
But there has to be some sort of team chemstry in which they all work as one unit, instead of a bunch of goons at each others throats. But it\'s all good in the heezy foh sheezy. Kerry Collins for MVP.
There doesn\'t need to be chemistry between offensive and defensive players :p
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Haha... that is true.
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But what about the sweet love making?
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Chad Pennington breaks his wrist on his non throwing hand. How crappy all the young exciting quarterbacks are falling to injuries.
Vinny Testaverde returns!
*crickets*
p.s. In a "friends" league, the guy had both Vick and Pennington, he\'s currently putting his penis into an oven.
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Vapor, did you watch the Niner game last night? Frick\'n Dorsey was the shiznit again. On that drive that Carter ran in for the touchdown on, Dorsey was sling\'n that ball pretty damn well. And Brandon Lloyd is a helluva nice surprise, he might just be the number 3 WR at the end of the season.
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Yeah, I\'m really high on Dorsey and Arnaz Battle.
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The Bills-Rams game was fun as hell...Bledsoe threw 22 for 29 for about 200+ Yds in the first half. Spikes was an animal, too..
Kurt Warner and Falk made a dent, though... they looked good.
It was the third largest pre-season crowd for the Bills, 62,280...
I\'ll post some pics when I get home from work....
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here\'s one...
ignore the big bald head....
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here\'s another... pretty sweet seats... 45 yd line, 38th row. I was
1 row in front of the owner\'s (Ralph Wilson\'s) box. The window was open, I could have hit him in the head with a hockey stick.
3rd quarter action...
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You wanna talk about a great preseeason for the Niners quarterbacks?
San Francisco’s quarterbacks did not only have one strong game in the preseason opener against Kansas City, but their exceptional play has spread throughout the entire preseason. Tim Rattay, Brandon Doman and Ken Dorsey took full advantage of increased playing time as Garcia rehabbed his injured back. Each of the backups has a quarterback rating over 100, with Garcia checking in at 97.6. As a group, the quartet has completed 58-of-84 passes for 545 yards, six touchdowns and no interceptions. The group has a combined quarterback rating of 110.5.
Talk about depth at Quarterback... I think after the Garcia-era, Rattay or Dorsey will be the next elite Niner quarterbacks of the future.
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Those pics are great Chizzy... I\'ve only been to an NFL Europe game... Hopefully one of these days I\'ll see a Niners game.
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Great seats Chizz.. I\'ve been to a ton of NFL games. SOmeone mentioned the 9ers smoking San Diego in Super Bowl 29. I shot that game on the side lines.. All I have to say in regards to the San Diego Cheerleaders is ..
DAMN!!!
Very nice.
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San Diego\'s are some of the very best, IMO...
The Buffalo Jills are pigs, compared to them...
I need a better digicam w/ a better zoom....
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I was really looking forward to the Jet\'s and Pennginton\'s second season, but it looks like that isn\'t goin\' to happen now.
:(
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Originally posted by SwifDi
You wanna talk about a great preseeason for the Niners quarterbacks?
Talk about depth at Quarterback... I think after the Garcia-era, Rattay or Dorsey will be the next elite Niner quarterbacks of the future.
I can\'t believe Dorsey was seventh round pick...yeah hes not all strong and everything but 7th round? Chris Sims and others were picked over him its just unbelieveable.
About the 49er QBs being accurate...is one of the reasons I stopped following them after Rice and Young left. The offense isnt very exciting. Deep slants across the middle etc, is not existant now. Short 5 yard tosses etc seem to dominate the passing game now, which makes for less error.
Granted this style may be more accurate and less interception prone but its rather boring for me to watch, thats how i am with most sports, I like the most exciting team, not the best.
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Erickson will change that, with his 3 wide sets and deep passes on single coverage.
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Originally posted by alliswell
I can\'t believe Dorsey was seventh round pick...yeah hes not all strong and everything but 7th round? Chris Sims and others were picked over him its just unbelieveable.
About the 49er QBs being accurate...is one of the reasons I stopped following them after Rice and Young left. The offense isnt very exciting. Deep slants across the middle etc, is not existant now. Short 5 yard tosses etc seem to dominate the passing game now, which makes for less error.
Granted this style may be more accurate and less interception prone but its rather boring for me to watch, thats how i am with most sports, I like the most exciting team, not the best.
Well im a niner fan 100%, to me it\'s just exciting watching my team win...
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Thats true... As long as those 5 yard slants, and crosses, gradually lead to a TD, then it\'s all good in the hizood. Erickson is gonna open up the offense, and there will probably be more turnovers, or more touchdowns, we\'ll see.
I think Tai Streets is gonna have a HUGE year...
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Are the redskins any good? Or do the Jets just really suck?
I\'m guessing option #2
(I gotta say though, Ramsey impressed me... at least in the first half :shy: )
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Well im a niner fan 100%, to me it\'s just exciting watching my team win...
I feel the same way watching them lose. Damn, that was great last year.
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Sunday\'s Bills game will be fun to watch. It\'s cool to play your arch-rivals for the first and last games of the season.
BTW, the jets should have brought Namath in... ;)
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Monday night game should be smoking. Bucs lost Shelton Quarles last week though so that kind of sucks. Dang bones.. Why do they brake?
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Niners will smoke the Bears.
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And the Eagles will smoke the Bucs.
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the Bills will smoke some crack, then smoke the Pats...
well, at least Travis Henry will...
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Originally posted by IareEthan
And the Eagles will smoke the Bucs.
Can I quote you on that?
Oh wait, I did.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Niners will smoke the Bears.
Didn\'t I tell you like 4 months ago that the niners were gonna lose this first game?
The bears are known for winning like, 14 out of thier last 12 openers.
Of course they then go 2-13 but still... We own that first game.
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Holy shit. They\'ve won 14 of their past 12 openers?
I can\'t say a whole lot of teams can claim that record. Looks like 9ers may have already lost without even playing.
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Just what I thought Jets lose and now everyone blames Vinney. What did he do?
Blame the Offensive coordinator for not putting faith in him, making him throw little 5 yard passes and screens that arent even enough for the first.
And dont get me started on that 3rd and 1 call that the Redskins ate up with 3 mins left.
They didnt have faith in Vinney so they ran up the gut where the Skins were waiting for them....and now its Vinneys fault...
Anyways Rams rock Warner is back; 23-26 in the preason...look for about 30 TDs, and a 65% completion percentage from the 2 time league MVP
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Good, I have him as my Fantasy QB
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Stat Tracker is sweet this year. They added a lot to it. Looks awesome. What\'s cool is you pay once and you can open a stat tracker window for both leagues. Very cool.
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Thats right I said it... 14 out of 12.
eat me.
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I just see no way the Niners can lose, barring a miracle. But we\'ll see..
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That\'s because you are a homer. You just can\'t compete with a record like 14 out of 12. Chicago already beat you guys. They are now 15 out of 12.
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thats damn straight.
serisouly man, how do you see "no way the niners will lose"
you say that about every team you like, every time they play.
Tonight, in Englewood... "THE LAKERS VS. JESUS CHRIST AND 4 OF HIS APOSTLES IN A STEEL CAGE"!!!!
Vapor kid - "I see no way the Lakers will lose"
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Freestylah said the same thing last year in the playoffs against the Bucs and still didn\'t give them respect when they got their asses handed to them. He\'s a homer.
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Tonight, in Englewood... "THE LAKERS VS. JESUS CHRIST AND 4 OF HIS APOSTLES IN A STEEL CAGE"!!!!
Vapor kid - "I see no way the Lakers will lose"
Single..Greatest..Quote..Ever!
HAHAHAH
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If the Niners lose today I\'ll ban myself from these forums for a week.
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How about if the niners lose I get to change your user name....
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Woot! 14-0 Bills so far.... :D
2nd qtr.
(c\'mon I haven\'t had any reason to be excited about Buffalo sports in a long time..)
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Take it from me. It ain\'t over till the final whistle... Oye..
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Rams lose 23-13
People may say Warner fumbled Warner this Warner that but he did a nice job considering how poor the O line was.
But the reason the Rams lost was simple.
No run game.
You can\'t expect to win when you give Faulk the ball just 10 times and make Warner throw 55 times. Makes it too easy for the defense
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Originally posted by videoholic
Take it from me. It ain\'t over till the final whistle... Oye..
mm-hmmmm....!
feels good donut.
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Sorry alliswell, but Warner is not the same Warner... I\'m not convinced to the slightest.
Oh and LUKE, 23-7 so far... Bears stinkin it up...
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Yeah... It\'s lookin\' to be another looooong season for my beloved.
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Bills shut out pats.
yay!
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Slash picked off! Returned for a TD! 30-7 in the first half!
[size=8]KILLIN IT[/size]
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Lemme just announce my official founding of the Rex Grossman fan club...
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PLAY REX GROSSMAN!!!!!!!!
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Another interception from Kordell Stewart = Another post from me!
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Your killin\' me in our keeper league game today too.
Man, I hate you.
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Yeah Luke. I think Freestylah has you wrapped up every which way.....
Bring in Rex. Kordell Stewart kicks ass don\'t he.
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Thats what they tell me chief.
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42-7, all bow down to the mighty niner defense!! Roar!
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Dang Luke you got the Bears defense? They\'ve earned you a whopping -2.00 points so far!
Man I rule.
EDIT: I love how while I was typing that, Ahmed Plummer gets another interception. Gosh I love the Niners.
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INT #3, niners D 0wnz
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Yeah, this is just pitiful.
Don\'t get too excited about your Niners there though guys.
The Bears are playing an absolutly horrible game in all aspects.
Simply pitiful
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49-7!
Man the Bears suck.
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^^
And Niners roool
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Niners will smoke the Bears.
*cough*
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Originally posted by theomen
INT #3, niners D 0wnz
Dude, Kordell is a frickin\' joke.
We\'ll see what happened when the Niners play a REAL quarterback.
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Wow Kordel may get benched like in Pitt...
I think they will give him a couple of more games though
And swifdi, yes, Warner may not be himself, but his play was decent aside his sloppy handling of the ball.
Rams never got the Giants to respect the run so they dropped guys to defend the pass without having to worry about the run which made it tough on Warner.
Simple point is , run the ball. Bulger didnt win 6 games last year by himself. Faulk averaged 130 yards rushing in all his wins. In warners losses? something like 40
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KORDELL STEWART SACKED AGAIN!
IT\'S A SACK-O-RAMA IN SAN FRAN BABY
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they\'re bring 8 on the blitz, think Kordell\'s ability to play under pressure is highly respected? Best game in a loooong time :D
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I don\'t understand why he\'s even still in the game.
Where\'s Rex godammit!
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I think they\'re trying to get him injured, that way they don\'t have to deal with the media when they bench his ass.
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Man that felt good, that Bears OT win in their last meeting left a sour taste in my mouth.
Talk about revenge!
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^^
like semen
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Shocky and I have a serious game going on in the keeper league. Should be a close one.
Brady blew nut in my other game, don\'t think I can get 40+ points to catch back up even though I still have 3 to go.
We\'ll see...
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I\'m on the verge of not only winning all my games in my 3 fantasy football leagues, but being the leading scorer in 2 out of 3 of them, and the second leading scorer in one of them.
Talk about a great football week for the FreeStylah.
*p.s. Go having Culpepper in every league*
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2nd leading scorer?
Are you talking about the keeper league? You will probably be 4th or 5th.
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Originally posted by theomen
they\'re bring 8 on the blitz, think Kordell\'s ability to play under pressure is highly respected? Best game in a loooong time :D
Since when?
Kordell has NEVER been able to play under pressure, dating back to his College days in Colorado, when Nebraska blitzed hiim every single down and he caved. Kordell = Trash. PUT IN GROSSMAN.
Oh, and Go Chiefs :)
See Yuz.
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I was being sarcastic, captain serious pants.
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I love the Bills new D... Lawyer Milloy will help us out a lot. Plus Posey & Spikes!
Also, did anyone see Lindel\'s 81 yard punt? Yikes...
:D
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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (Sept. 7, 2003) -- St. Louis Rams quarterback Kurt Warner suffered a concussion in the Rams\' 23-13 loss to the New York Giants and was to be hospitalized overnight.
Coach Mike Martz said Warner would return to St. Louis the next day.
Martz said the injury may have occurred in the first quarter when Warner was sacked in the end zone and fumbled, with the ball recovered for a touchdown by the Giants.
"He didn\'t seem the same after that," Martz said. "A lot of times he didn\'t seem to understand the plays we were calling from the sidelines."
Warner complained of an upset stomach after the game and lay in the trainer\'s room before Dr. Bernard Garfinkel, the team physician, made the diagnosis.
Garfinkel said the concussion was "mild to moderate."
Martz said Warner has had previous concussions, but wasn\'t sure how many.
Warner finished 34 for 54 for 342 yards, one touchdown and one interception. He was sacked six times and fumbled six times.
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I took bulgar in one of my leagues as a potential later. Looks like he\'ll get in there next week.
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:) NINERS RULE!!!
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Thats bad news that Warner is going down for Niners fans... Bulger is much more of a threat than Warner.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Are you talking about the keeper league? You will probably be 4th or 5th.
How do you figure? I have 95 currently... putting me in 3rd right now, however I still have Keyshawn Johnson to go, and Mason and Garner who are currently playing now. So I think I\'ll get 3rd at the lowest... I\'ll be really surprised if I fall down to your range of about 4th or 5th... Like Team Cocky is this week. :)
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Thats bad news that Warner is going down for Niners fans... Bulger is much more of a threat than Warner.
Well that may be true.... but remember we didnt see Warner at his best today, the injury happened on what, the second drive of the game for the Rams?
Warner was awesome in preason, Bulger\'s numbers weren\'t anything too big to talk about either...but that was preseason...Warner looked alot sharper then Bulger
But the deal stays the same: if the Rams dont rush Faulk 20 times next week against 49ers they will lose. Warner or Bulger. You need 3rd and shorts. About 90% of the Ram 3rd downs were 3rd and 8+. Makes it way too easy for the defense
I still can\'t believe they made him throw the ball 55 times. I guess Martz was trying to show that his Favorite QB was back, but the plan backfired
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Yeah, Chris Simms also had a great preseason. The point is, that means shit. Preseason performance is completely meaningless.
Warner wasn\'t decent today. You\'re kidding yourself if you say that. He went 34-54, but about half of those completions were screen passes and short dump offs. That practically is a running game in a lot of ways. That\'s why he had like 6 yards per reception. Four turnovers is never good, especially to just one TD.
As for abandoning the run and Marshall Faulk, yeah that was stupid, but Faulk didn\'t exactly do much to make them stay with it. Take out his one 18 yard run, and he averaged just over a yard a carry. That\'s not gonna get it done.
The Giants defense was just incredible all day. That\'s who you point to. We were all over Warner all day. We were hitting not only him, but your WR\'s like every play. I\'ll say it now, and most people know this already: The Rams are soft. They can\'t play a hard, ugly game. That\'s what the Giants do, especially on D. And that\'s why they\'ve beaten the Rams two seasons in a row.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
How do you figure? I have 95 currently... putting me in 3rd right now, however I still have Keyshawn Johnson to go, and Mason and Garner who are currently playing now. So I think I\'ll get 3rd at the lowest... I\'ll be really surprised if I fall down to your range of about 4th or 5th... Like Team Cocky is this week. :)
You are in 3rd right now with 105. I have 85 with McNabb and Philly Defense. I certainly hope they can get me 20, heck, I need 30 out of them. If that happens then winner over here.
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I doubt you\'re gonna get 32 points outta McNabb and their D against your hometown boys. Who to root for? Your hometown team, or your fantasy team?
:)
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GO STEELERS! :D
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A couple touch downs and a pick or two and I get 30 points. Bucs could still win with McNabb giving me 20 and the D giving me 10.
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my kicker will seal the deal
GO AKERS
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I need what, like 30 points from Gramatica? Heh...shit.
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Bucs over Philly.
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Originally posted by theomen
I was being sarcastic, captain serious pants.
Hey, I take pride in being Captain Serious Pants. That Nickname took a lot of serious wiseassing to get...or something ;)
Anyway, go me getting off to a good start in the keeper league, evn though my recievers were, well, bad. Recievers combined for about 9 points....RB\'s combined for about 47 points or something. WOO, I BEAT SHOCK IN SOMETHING FANTASYWISE FOR ONCE! YAY!
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Bucs over Philly.
*DING!*
"What do we got for him Johnny?"
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Well...since everybody is in the mood for predicting... I WANNA PLAY!!!
Week 2:
Baltimore over Cleveland
Houston over New Orleans
Pittsbourgh over Kansas City
Tennessee over Indianapolis
>>Carolina over Tampa Bay<<
Oakland over Cincinnati
Philadelphia over New England
Detroit over Green Bay
NY Jets over Miami
>>>>>SAN FRANCISCO WILL WHIPE THEIR BUTT WITH ST. LOUIS<<<<<<
Atlanta over Washington
Seattle over Arizona
Denver over San Diego
Minnesota over Chicago
Giants over Cowgirls
Yup there you go...I mostly randomly chose...well see...
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Originally posted by SwifDi
*DING!*
"What do we got for him Johnny?"
My dog could have done that one. That game was a joke. Philly was completely shut down. Bucs offense, snore. But they got the job done.
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told you so vid, no 30 points for you. I was surprised how dominate the bucs were, the eagles looked pathetic.
Guess i\'ll do it too, my picks for week 2
Buffalo over Jacksonville
Detroit over Green Bay
Miami over NY Jets
San Francisco over St. Louis Rams
Atlanta over Washington
Seattle over Arizona
Denver over San Diego
Minnesota over Chicago
Cleveland over Baltimore
Houston over New Orleans
Kansas City over Pittsburgh
Tennessee over Indianapolis
Tampa Bay over Carolina
Oakland over Cinncinatti
Philadelphia over New England
NY Giants over Dallas
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Yeah, Chris Simms also had a great preseason. The point is, that means shit. Preseason performance is completely meaningless.
Warner wasn\'t decent today. You\'re kidding yourself if you say that. He went 34-54, but about half of those completions were screen passes and short dump offs. That practically is a running game in a lot of ways. That\'s why he had like 6 yards per reception. Four turnovers is never good, especially to just one TD.
As for abandoning the run and Marshall Faulk, yeah that was stupid, but Faulk didn\'t exactly do much to make them stay with it. Take out his one 18 yard run, and he averaged just over a yard a carry. That\'s not gonna get it done.
The Giants defense was just incredible all day. That\'s who you point to. We were all over Warner all day. We were hitting not only him, but your WR\'s like every play. I\'ll say it now, and most people know this already: The Rams are soft. They can\'t play a hard, ugly game. That\'s what the Giants do, especially on D. And that\'s why they\'ve beaten the Rams two seasons in a row.
You made some good points but on terms of passing, Warner outdid alot of QBs the first week. It\'s unfair that a Favre or McNabb can have an off day and people shrug it off but Warner gets blasted on a tough road game against a stiff Giant defense. Everyone has him in the microscope and if he doesnt throw 2tds a game like a few years ago suddenly hes a second rate QB. Unfair to Warner
Point is, if he didnt fumble all those times, especially the time in the endzone or on the Giant 5, Rams would have won this game easily.
The final point: Run the ball more, and Kurt Warner, if your going to get hit get down, don\'t try to dodge everyone.
Rams have a great team, just some silly mistakes lost them the first one.
Bulger or Warner, Rams are going to the post season
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Originally posted by alliswell
You made some good points but on terms of passing, Warner outdid alot of QBs the first week. It\'s unfair that a Favre or McNabb can have an off day and people shrug it off but Warner gets blasted on a tough road game against a stiff Giant defense. Everyone has him in the microscope and if he doesnt throw 2tds a game like a few years ago suddenly hes a second rate QB. Unfair to Warner
Point is, if he didnt fumble all those times, especially the time in the endzone or on the Giant 5, Rams would have won this game easily.
The final point: Run the ball more, and Kurt Warner, if your going to get hit get down, don\'t try to dodge everyone.
Rams have a great team, just some silly mistakes lost them the first one.
Bulger or Warner, Rams are going to the post season
McNabb\'s night people can overlook to some degree because it was against the best defense in the NFL. That\'s almost expected. Favre lost his #1 and #2 WR\'s in that game, and his team still came close to winning. But the point is, Warner should be under a microscope because he\'s in a QB controversy type position. Bulger was better last year, so people are looking more closely at Warner. Also, I didn\'t see the Packers, game, but I do know that Warner just looked absolutely awful out there on Sunday.
And if you take away the Rams turnovers, take away the Giants turnovers too. Take away both, and the Rams don\'t win. Sure, if you take a losing team and take away all their mistakes, they prolly will win. Doesn\'t mean they were close.
Yes, they do need to run more. Why they don\'t is beyond me. Martz is a moron.
And you\'re not making the playoffs. Your defense sucks, and your offensive line looked like a joke out there. Even the passing game took a step back without Proehl.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
McNabb\'s night people can overlook to some degree because it was against the best defense in the NFL. That\'s almost expected. Favre lost his #1 and #2 WR\'s in that game, and his team still came close to winning. But the point is, Warner should be under a microscope because he\'s in a QB controversy type position. Bulger was better last year, so people are looking more closely at Warner. Also, I didn\'t see the Packers, game, but I do know that Warner just looked absolutely awful out there on Sunday.
And if you take away the Rams turnovers, take away the Giants turnovers too. Take away both, and the Rams don\'t win. Sure, if you take a losing team and take away all their mistakes, they prolly will win. Doesn\'t mean they were close.
Yes, they do need to run more. Why they don\'t is beyond me. Martz is a moron.
And you\'re not making the playoffs. Your defense sucks, and your offensive line looked like a joke out there. Even the passing game took a step back without Proehl.
Well, Curtis is down for a month, and now another WR McDonald is down for at least a monlth
At this rate the 3rd WR may be Faulk
Say what you want about turnovers, but the Ram defense does not suck. We held a great Giant offense to 23 points, and if I\'m not mistaken all your points came after a Ram turnover.
Warner will play again this season, m aybe week 3 and he will prove himself worthy or not worthy
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Originally posted by alliswell
Say what you want about turnovers, but the Ram defense does not suck. We held a great Giant offense to 23 points, and if I\'m not mistaken all your points came after a Ram turnover.
Look at your corners. I\'m sorry, but there\'s no way you\'re gonna get it done with them. And sure all our points came on drives that started after turnovers, but you\'re missing how pointless that is. Every one of those drives started in our own territory. Your team was the one that scored twice on turnovers that started you in our territory.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Look at your corners. I\'m sorry, but there\'s no way you\'re gonna get it done with them. And sure all our points came on drives that started after turnovers, but you\'re missing how pointless that is. Every one of those drives started in our own territory. Your team was the one that scored twice on turnovers that started you in our territory.
Martz said he expected a slow start
But eventually we will get Sehorn back and that will allow Williams to move to corner which should improve our defense.
Your speech seems to say the Rams are a poor team, if that is the case, a poor team came within one score of your playoff team. And thats not bad (One score if the Rams kicked a field goal when they were inside the Giant 30 2 times with 5min to go)
So an easy schedule should propel us into the postseason
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Warner really looked messed up. Some of those fumbles he just didn\'t look all there. LIke he didn\'t even know where he was. Very odd. I wonder when he thinks he received the concusion.
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Originally posted by alliswell
But eventually we will get Sehorn back and that will allow Williams to move to corner which should improve our defense.
Buahahahaha. Yes...Sehorn will help your team. :rolleyes:
And you were within two scores. Coaching is as much a part of your team as the players, and Martz is gonna handicap you for the rest of the year.
And the Rams are an average team. No more.
And the Giants lose to bad teams, by the way. We lost to Houston and Arizona last year and made the playoffs. That\'s how we are.
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Not kicking the field goal with 5 minutes left was absolutely ludicrous. Worst coaching decision of the weekend by far.
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Martz has more faith in his offense then his kicker, Wilkins
I\'m guessing thats why :confused:
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Well Martz admitted he made some big mistakes
"It\'s probably as bad a game as I\'ve called since I\'ve been here,"
-Mike Martz
Anyways...Kurt Warner was senseless throughout most of the first half look at this photo of the legend almost unconcious
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Legend? heh.
And yeah, we did rough him up pretty well :) All part of the game.
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Legend? What an odd choice of words. He\'s been good in one, 2 or 3 seasons?
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Three maybe. Won one superbowl. Legend? Nah. The only QB playing right now I\'d say could be called a legend at this point in their career is Favre.
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Jeff Blake is a legend.
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So is Kordell Stewart.
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Garcia the new slash? He caught a pass today, everyone better watch out for the mega versitile Garcia ;)
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Bledsoe had a hell of a day... 300+ yds and a few TD passes...
I do like the way my Buffalo Bills is lookin\'... :D
Leftwich will be a man to watch, too....
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f*ck Cedrick Wilson in the ass.....
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I want to have Jamal Lewis\' baby.
295 yards. Damn. And he called it too.
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I can\'t explain how much I hate Cedric Wilson....I hate him soo much
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So uhm. How about them 2-0 Chiefs after beating the Steelers 41-20 today? Yeah. We\'re good or something.
*crickets chirp*
See Yuz.
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Whatever... I remembered why I hate the Rams again. Of course we had to play against Bulger, why couldn\'t we get a week against that joke known as Kurt Warner. Oh well, we blew that one, I hate losing games like that. Better learn from the mistakes.
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Yeah, and learn to get down when you have a few seconds left and are in range of a game winning FG...
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NO! teH Stillers losted to the Cheifas!
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DAMN OVERTIME DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN IT!!!! GRR, I hate over time. A team can have the best offense in the NFL but if they\'re defense sucks and the other team gets the ball first they\'re screwed...DAMN IT!!!
I still luv the 49ers though in a non-homosexual way.
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How about that Panthers game? Haha, that rules so much. Blocking the game winning PAT...hahaha.
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Best part is that it was the Bucs that lost. I\'m tired of seeing Jon Gruden\'s happy face.
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WORD!!!!
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3 blocked kicks = something is seriously wrong.
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<------------- avatar says it all
KC made ol\' Tommy look silly out there
GO CHIEFS
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YEah....it was still a game the Steelers COULD have won. Tipped passes, fubles cost us. It\'s always our special teams that let us down. Other than those mistakes, the Steelers marched up and down the field almost at will.
But we still lost. Glad I didn\'t see it. :)
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Yeah, this is the first Chiefs game this season i\'ve gone out to a sports bar to see, the steelers really had me worried. They did move the ball with relative ease most of the game, but the KC defense stepped up when they needed to intercepting many passes in the redzone. I was also impressed with the pressure the KC front put on Maddox.
But like you said, special teams won this game for KC and lost it for Pitt.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Whatever... I remembered why I hate the Rams again. Of course we had to play against Bulger, why couldn\'t we get a week against that joke known as Kurt Warner. Oh well, we blew that one, I hate losing games like that. Better learn from the mistakes.
What did Bulger do that was so special?
He fumbled twice, one time inside the redzone.
He threw 2 TDs? Look at those drives. 8 rushes 5 passes. Every scoring drive had more run plays then pass plays
Rams ran the ball more in the first quarter then the entire game at New York Giants.
Warner Had more completions then Bulger had attempts. wHAT does this tell you? Rams had balance today. Theydidnt vs Giants.
And its total crap to bench a QB after one game
What if the 49ers kicked the game winning field goal or what if they didnt miss that one field goal? Result=49ers win and Warner gets the job he earned in preason and in offseason.
Very stupid that Warner\'s fate is decided by a reciever sliding or not sliding.
Again what pass did Bulger throw that was so great? What about his performance was so much greater then warners? Holt had to one hand that td grab and I\'ve seen Jamie Martin throw a similiar pass that he threw to Looker
Fumbles? You bench a QB because of fumbles? Kurt learned from his mistakes and held onthe ball when hewent down in the secon half and was 19-27 with 1 td in the second half vs Giants
I can\'t believe you run the ball 9 times and pass 55 times and expect to win or even expect your qb to perform
Warner a Joke? Half a dozen teams would love to have him as starter
It\'s amazing how you turn on people so fast. Did the Steelers bench Kordel after one game?
You know what im sick of this. Trade Warner away. He\'ll be another Bledsoe. Backup QB that coach has no confidence in who use to be great. Put him on a team that has confidence in him like Drew and watch him soar
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Originally posted by alliswell
What did Bulger do that was so special?
He won.
No other stat matters. The Rams win with him in, and lose with him out. What is there to question?
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Originally posted by alliswell
Warner a Joke? Half a dozen teams would love to have him as starter
Quincy Carter, Kordell Stewart, Jake Delhomme, Vinny Testeverde, Jon Kitna, Jeff Blake.
Sure half a dozen teams would take him as their starter. Then again, considering I just named half a dozen NFL starters, after looking over that list, is that really saying much?
Originally posted by alliswell
You know what im sick of this. Trade Warner away. He\'ll be another Bledsoe. Backup QB that coach has no confidence in who use to be great. Put him on a team that has confidence in him like Drew and watch him soar
You know, the Pats did also win a Super Bowl that way, and Brady had a better year than Bledsoe last year in a lot of ways. Especially when you look at the fact that Bledsoe had Moulds, Price, and Henry, and Brady had...who again?
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I agree. Warner and Garner both suck.
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QUINCY CARTER SUCKS!!! I HATE HIM!!! DAMN COWBOYS!!! WHY DID THEY HAVE TO WIN?!?!?!?!
Well I don\'t like the Giants neither sooo meh..
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alliswell what\'s telling me that most of that "Warner-love" is primarily because Kurt is a Christian?
;)
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The St. Louis Fans are uniting against this dark force that is trying to drive Kurt Warner, a man who had done so much for our franchise, out of town.
Ripped straight from the Ram message board
I\'m so sick of all these sports analysts calling for Warner\'s head and blaming him for the Rams losses the last year and this year. Martz has set up Warner to fail by his questionable play calling and imbalance of pass/run ratio. Go back to the years that Warner was most successful and you\'ll discover BALANCE!!! With Bulger, Martz is more than happy to balance the offense by giving a heavier dose of Faulk to keep the pressure off Bulger. I doubt if Bulger could\'ve done any better against a fired up Giants defense on the road. If Warner would\'ve started against the 49ers at home, he would\'ve led the Rams to victory as well, but Martz sabotaged him by throwing him to the lions in New York.
-------Different Poster---------------------
Hello Again,
I have been reading the current posts regarding Waner and Bulger and I guess My Question is:
Do any of you know FootBall ?
Here is my rundown:
1). Warner would have done better then Bulger, Were it not for some amazing catches by Holt We still lose.
2). Bulger Looked no better than Warner: He took a little less of a beating because the Niners Lack the Blitz Power of the Giants ( Period ). Bulger still took a few hit\'s He should not have had to.
3). We only started moving the ball when we ran Marshall and more importantly Gordon ( Who to me was doing better than Faulk )
4). Dane Looker ( My Call at the beginning and was not there for Warner )
Bottom Line: If it wasn\'t for a rookie mistake bt The Niners we still lose ( We were gifted this win and it in no way was due to a mediocre performance by Marc Bulger )
My Call: Bulger Get\'s Beat Up Sunday \'This is Our Division Rival\' Seattle Looks good and will Blitz Hard. He will go out somewhere between quarters 2 and 3 hurt. Warner will come in and shut you all up.
Do I Love Warner :) No, I love the Super Bowl Ring and 2nd Super Bowl Appearance He gave us.
You Bulger Lovers are all Woosies :)
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Look, Ive been there through it all. I\'ve NEVER been unfaithful to this team. But, Mike Martz is an idiot. Marc Bulger should not be the starter. Kurt is taking all of the blame for the Giants loss and none of it is his fault. Marc is taking all of the glory for the win this week and he doesnt deserve it. He played mediocre at best. The game plan was better and the niners D is not as good as the Giants. Lets face it, Martz is an idiot and we will NEVER win a Super Bowl with him as our head coach. What he has done to Kurt SUCKS. I have never routed against my team, but Kurt deserves his job back. So, for the first time I say GO HAWKS. KICK BULGERS ASS! The Rams losing is the ONLY way that Kurt will get his job back.
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We\'re united baby I havent seen one poster who wants Bulger man give Warner a chance man run Faulk with Warner in there and lets see what happens THEN
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who is alliswell? And by the way the steelers marched up and down the field at will? Shit I thought the score was more like 41-20 that doesnt really seem "at will" to me. Steelers should\'nt have let the gay qb go! Next Monday night is what Im looking forward to being a phoenician I will thouroughly enjoy watching Jake the Fake get his ass kicked by the Raiders.....
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Originally posted by Cyrus
who is alliswell? And by the way the steelers marched up and down the field at will? Shit I thought the score was more like 41-20 that doesnt really seem "at will" to me. Steelers should\'nt have let the gay qb go! Next Monday night is what Im looking forward to being a phoenician I will thouroughly enjoy watching Jake the Fake get his ass kicked by the Raiders.....
They did. Almost 350 yards in offense. The score was due to a few fumbles, incereptions, bad special teams....basically, when the Chiefs get great exellent field position, it\'s not good for the Steelers.
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Here\'s the stats :
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20030914_PIT@KC
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yeah but I bet if the Chiefs and Steelers played 4 games in a row, the chiefs would win at least 3 of them... probably all 4. They won\'t be denied this year.
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I hate it when we play the Chiefs. We could be undefeated and the Cheifs could be 0-11 and we\'d still lose to them. It\'s like black magic, I tells ya! :p
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
They did. Almost 350 yards in offense. The score was due to a few fumbles, incereptions, bad special teams....basically, when the Chiefs get great exellent field position, it\'s not good for the Steelers.
You had 350 yards, and only scored 13 points on offense. You turned the ball over 4 times and lost by 3 TDs. The Steelers got owned, and that\'s the end of the story.
Meanwhile, the Cheifs aren\'t throwing to Gonzo, yet he\'s still drawing double teams wherever he goes, making him the highest paid decoy in the NFL. Priest is tearing it up (he had a Hip injury? Surely you\'re kidding), Kennison is doing his normal thing, Morton is getting the ball more, and overall, we\'re a DAMN good football team.
Someone tell me who\'s playing better football than the Chiefs right now. Please, tell me.
See Yuz.
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The Bills?
A game between them and the Chiefs would be such a great matchup. The two most explosive teams in football.
Check this.... chiefs are #1 in the power rankings, followed by the Bills....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
You had 350 yards, and only scored 13 points on offense. You turned the ball over 4 times and lost by 3 TDs. The Steelers got owned, and that\'s the end of the story.
Meanwhile, the Cheifs aren\'t throwing to Gonzo, yet he\'s still drawing double teams wherever he goes, making him the highest paid decoy in the NFL. Priest is tearing it up (he had a Hip injury? Surely you\'re kidding), Kennison is doing his normal thing, Morton is getting the ball more, and overall, we\'re a DAMN good football team.
Someone tell me who\'s playing better football than the Chiefs right now. Please, tell me.
See Yuz.
We scored only 13 offensive points coz we overturned the ball. Duh. Yes you won. But you know what? You\'re a jinx...every team you like loses the most important game. :laughing:
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I can think of several examples where that isn\'t true :p
And yeah, give it up. You got killed out there. Sorry.
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Originally posted by JBean
The Bills?
A game between them and the Chiefs would be such a great matchup. The two most explosive teams in football.
Check this.... chiefs are #1 in the power rankings, followed by the Bills....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking
you da man... sunday 10/26 baby! Unfortunately I gotta be at a wedding reception this sunday for the Bills-dolphins game :mad: It\'s at a hotel, tho.. prob sneak out to the bar a few times. I\'m going to the 12/21 game here in Buffalo.
I hope they keep the momentm up and not try to do anymore fake punts.... :rolleyes:
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screw this...
Luke..what did you think about that Bears game?
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(as luke)
damn, the bears suck....
j/k
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I really don\'t know what to say about the Bears just yet.
Week 1 was a frickin\' joke.
Week 2 was better... but we still lost.
Looks like it\'s going to be another long year for my beloved:(
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Actually it will be a really short year. Aren\'t they already mathematically eliminated? ;)
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hey buddy, the bucs only have 1 more win than the bears.
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True, but they have potential of getting more. ;)
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I\'m really pessimistic of any kinda repeat by the Bucs... Carolina has definately revealed some weak points in that squad.
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Carolina exposed little new. They ARE the 2nd best defense in the NFL, and they only won with total luck on special teams. You can\'t expect to block 3 kicks every time out.
You want a team that knows how to beat the Bucs? Look at the Saints.
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ANd shockwaves, I want Faulk. Package something up with Eddie George.
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Yeah, I saw. Let me propose something.
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Luke, you never set your line-up. If you beat me I will cry.
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The Browns are pitiful and the 9er\'s are still having problems.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Luke, you never set your line-up. If you beat me I will cry.
I\'m a moron and had 2 recievers from the bears on my team. so they both had a off week and i had no back up wr.
I fixed it in time, picked up Ike Hilliard off the free agent list and he has a 3 td day.
ha!
P.S. GO BROWNS!
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They actually cameback!
BROWNS!
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It\'s official, I hate the niners. I give up on football...
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Originally posted by Luke
I\'m a moron and had 2 recievers from the bears on my team. so they both had a off week and i had no back up wr.
I fixed it in time, picked up Ike Hilliard off the free agent list and he has a 3 td day.
ha!
P.S. GO BROWNS!
That\'s what I get for talking. I\'m a total loser in that league anyway.
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You gotta be kidding me... The Niners need to get their crap together... 1-2... Dead last with the Cardinals... Couldn\'t seem to muster up anything against a lousy Browns defense, at home. Put the ball in the endzone you fairies.
Gosh this week pissed me off. Now we have to head into Minnesota to face a tough Vikings squad, this could be the turning point, or an addition to the Niners decline.
I still hate Cedrick Wilson.
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:wave2: Browns WIN! :wave2:
That is all I have to say about that!
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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Me loves the chiefs...
The first week I end up playing Andre Johnson he gets me 102 rec yards and 2 TD\'s. Manning and Tomlinson finally came out of their respective slumps as well.
Did I hear right that faulk broke his hand?
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Go STEELERS!
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Is anyone else ready to jump on the panther band wangen
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Heh, you said "wangen"
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Wang-en. Oh thats good.
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I\'ll jump on your Wang-en *shakes penis*
Oh, um...go Giants.
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Vid I hope you declined shock\'s offer...
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Oh, that was directly squarely at you Scott.