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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: SirMystiq on August 11, 2003, 10:39:58 AM
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Whats up with the gay people now adays. They came out of no where and started taking over the world. I don\'t give a damn how much their feelings get hurt when they are "discriminated". The matter of the fact is that it IS disgusting to see two men kiss....not so much for two girls kissing but I don\'t agree with it either. It\'s complete bullshit that they think religious groups should allow them to get married under God. Im surprised at the number of churches that have already allowed such a thing. Im happy though that Catholics have complete denounced this. Even though they do have the most problems, most of the problems though was because a Priest harrased another man. Gay\'s in the church is the problem.
If they want to go screw each other in the ass, go on ahead. Just don\'t go to DC and tell everyone that you love it. Even though I accept the fact that the government should have no connection with religion whatsoever. It\'s not right that this ******s are actually trying and ****in around and calling the Pope evil and shit like that just because they want to take their sin to the maximum level. Not gonna happen.
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I\'m Catholic. I don\'t really care if they get married in a civil court.
Not so sure about marrying in a church, though. I\'m with the old school of "Marriage was always about uniting Man and Woman in holy matrimony."
I\'m not so sure where I REALLY stand on teh issue. I think they should be married if they want.....by the state. But as for a Church Wedding? I don\'t know.
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SirMystiq: Are you kidding me? Hah hah tell us how you REALLY feel, why dontcha.
Everytime I hear someone blather on about gays taking over the world, it just makes me laugh. What they do doesn\'t affect you. The problem is in you, not them. You are the one who can\'t stand them, they have no problem with you. How does them getting married in a church "under god" negatively affect you? It doesn\'t. It\'s all in your head buddy.
Get over it, ignore it, do whatever you have to do. Just stop whining about it. Thanks.
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I told ya. :) I don\'t know.
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It doesn\'t affect me, it\'s their choice. I have my views about them, but I\'m gonna keep my dignity and keep my opinions to myself.
They can\'t be married under Christian churches because there are a significant ammount of references in the bible against and strongly forbidding against homosexuality. It would be a flat out hypocrisy, which is something thats plaguing many Christian denominations already. That\'s the only way I see it affecting me, it just makes more and more Christians look like hypocrites.
I\'m a Christian, I\'m against it. However I will never openly bash gays; God gave them the freedom of choice, and if that\'s the choice they take, then just let them roll with it.
Gay-bashing = teh ghey
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SirMystiq, I\'d get mad if I didn\'t find your post so funny. I\'ll prolly reply more later, but for now, I\'ll just say this. You have the right to do whatever you want in your personally life. If two other people both choose to spend their personal time like this, what business of yours is that?
I fully agree that any religious group should have the right to deny any group marriage under their institutions if they want to. It\'s a private group, and it reserves that right. However, I do believe that gay people should be allowed to legally marry under law, if not under God.
I honestly don\'t see why people have such a problem with it. Sure you wouldn\'t make the same choices, and you don\'t have homosexual feelings yourself, but that doesn\'t mean that no one else should. What if heterosexual relationships are as much of a turn off for them as homosexual ones are for you? Is it fair to force them into such a life style? No, it isn\'t.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
SirMystiq: Are you kidding me? Hah hah tell us how you REALLY feel, why dontcha.
Everytime I hear someone blather on about gays taking over the world, it just makes me laugh. What they do doesn\'t affect you. The problem is in you, not them. You are the one who can\'t stand them, they have no problem with you. How does them getting married in a church "under god" negatively affect you? It doesn\'t. It\'s all in your head buddy.
Get over it, ignore it, do whatever you have to do. Just stop whining about it. Thanks.
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Well said. :)
SirMystiq, is there anything you\'d like to tell us? :p
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Well said Shocky, I also have no problem with them marrying under law... Just not under God. :)
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I don\'t mind they kiss in public, I don\'t mind they can get married, I don\'t mind they have privileges as a pair... but I do mind that they adopt children as a normal couple... for god\'s sake...
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Originally posted by SwifDi
I\'m a Christian, I\'m against it. However I will never openly bash gays; God gave them the freedom of choice, and if that\'s the choice they take, then just let them roll with it.
I was just wondering....what is your stance on for instance missionaries?(sp?)
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Well said Shocky, I also have no problem with them marrying under law... Just not under God. :)
What\'s wrong with some little-known denomination of christianity interpreting the bible in a different way, and marrying a gay couple "under god?" I don\'t see how that would affect you either.
If you\'re against that, then nothing\'s going to solve your problem short of a modern crusade to reunite all the bizzaro christians under one set of rules. Hmmm, let me think now... hasn\'t that been tried before? :)
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Just to clarify, I didn\'t say I agree with Christians not marrying gays, but I do agree that if that is what they choose, they have the right to that choice.
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homophobes are the worst kind of people
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Whats up with the gay people now adays. They came out of no where and started taking over the world.
Yep, gay people suddenly manifested and now are physically attacking non-gay countries.
I don\'t give a damn how much their feelings get hurt when they are "discriminated".
Yep, a real Catholic attitude there, what happend to loving your neighbor? I was brought up catholic, maybe I understand the point of the religion a little better then you? The teachings of jesus arn\'t about being gay and not being gay, its about loving everyone and caring about everyone, and even though you may disagree with someone, you should still love them too. So don\'t preach about whats right and wrong in this world, when your missing the entire point...
But anyways, my main point is, If your going to be religious, try and make it worthwhile, and stop overexamining the laws of the bible.
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homophobes are the worst kind of people
Would you rather be trapped on an island with a homo or a homophobe? Or Jessica Alba?
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JESSICA ALBA! :)
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Originally posted by THX
Would you rather be trapped on an island with a homo or a homophobe? Or Jessica Alba?
Of course Jessica Alba :) But out of the other two choices, prolly the homosexual. I know nothing about either person except that the homophobic person will have conflicting views on one topic from me. So I\'ll go with the other one.
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Who\'s Jessica Alba?
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i would like to be stranded on a island with the one that had the best personality and persitence to get us off the island
homo or not
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Gilligan!
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Gilligan!
Shock already said Homo.
Personally, I don\'t agree w/ homosexuality(its not natural to me) but I think they have the right to live their lives however they choose.
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Gilligan wasn\'t a homo!
More like a unic (sp?). :p Ginger and MaryAnne....on an island and NO SEX??? ;)
I\'m sure they did after the show was over.
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I think Spudz has a new best friend.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
If they want to go screw each other in the ass, go on ahead. Just don\'t go to DC and tell everyone that you love it.
Looks like you\'ve got a little facination with anal sex...
Get over it, I\'m a Christian, I know what is right and what is wrong. I know that gays should not be allowed to get married, as \'marriage\' is for a man and a woman, but I don\'t go around talking maliciously about them.
IMO, it sounds like you have some deep seeded issues about homosexuality. Remind you of the time you wanted to touch your best friends cock in 5th grade eh?
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Gays can be gay all they want, just don\'t shove it down the normal peoples throats.
Last weekend there was a gay pride parade around here. Why if they want respect don\'t put on wigs and make up just act like normal people.
And a lot of gay people are outright arrogant and try to get away with all kinds of bs, and if somebody oppeses them they start talking discrimination and whatnot.
Just act like normal members of society will ya.
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When two gay men have sex, what do they do? Don\'t they screw each other? Or..Ok...ok...let\'s put in nice terms, they have sexual intercourse by insterting their penis on their partners anus. Are you all happy now?
I have no problems with gays. One of my teachers was gay and he was the coolest teacher I had my freshman year. The problem is that they are starting to want too much. They got all the laws against them revocked. Now they want to be allowed to get married at church? My problem is not with their actions, it\'s their ignorance. They know as well as anybody that Homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of Christians...well...most christians. Yet they still want to be allowed.
I wasn\'t being a religious punk. Im not really as religious. It just bugs me that after they won every single battle, they want to break into christianity like if it was the Government. If christianity starts accepting this kinds of acts, then christianity should have no reason to exist.
Now I don\'t agree with all the preachers and stuff that hate homos. I went to church with my chick this sunday. She\'s part of the Assembly of God. It was the weirdest thing ever. Newayz so the dude says that God is gonna damn them or something. Because God didn\'t intend them to be that way. Me, being the doubter, asked my girlfriend about the whole "god has a plan for everyone" thing. So wasn\'t it god\'s will for homo\'s to be that way?! Just a tought.
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I believe that God doesn\'t intend for people to be gay, but this world is pretty much so in utter turmoil at the moment. Things are changing fast, both spiritually and physically. Sin is a major factor IMO. God doesn\'t intend people to be born with cancer or defects, yet they are. I believe God creates us perfectly, but once we enter this world, sin can take over and change things.
Its just my opinion. The greatest commandment of all in Christian teaching is to love God with all your heart and soul and to love thy neighbour. No other commandment comes before.
God also knows the heart.
But I do agree. If gays want to be socially accepted, then they need to stop putting on a show. I understand that that was the only way to get noticed in the 60\'s, but come on, no one wants to see it now.
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Once again, why does all this bother you people so much? Why does it bother you if they wear a wig or a dress, or whatever. It doesn\'t affect you. You don\'t have to go to their parade. I\'m sure you didn\'t anyway, but does it bother you so much to see it on TV? Switch the channel.
You\'re just displaying intolerance, plain and simple. It doesn\'t affect you.
It\'s like saying "why do those Sikh people have to wear turbans all the time? Why don\'t they just act like normal members of society?" I ask: WHAT IS NORMAL? Why should you care when it doesn\'t affect you?
I think you seriously need to question your own beliefs a bit more closely if you are this intolerant.
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Just a quickie: Sex is not for pleasure, at least not entirely. It\'s main purpose is reproduction.
Anal sex is not really sex, neither is oral sex or anything but actual vaginal intercourse. This is just nit-picking, I know.. but it is the truth. Those forms of \'sex\' are merely for the pleasure portion of sexual intercourse.
There are men and women because one requires the other for the species to continue. As far as I\'m concerned, homosexuality is entirely mental and is given bias as a child matures. Many elements factor in.
No matter what the result is.. homosexuality is futile and more or less a problem IMHO. Does this mean that I hate gay people? Uh, no. I\'d never attack anybody, nor would I discount them their right to do whatever they want as adults in their home. However, I view their actions as immoral and changing laws to alleviate their needs as married couples would be another brick to add to the big wall of corruption IMO.
Not much a quickie, but that\'s my stance. They can do what they like, but it\'s really not right. Sorry.
*puts on a helmet and ducks in a hole*
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I don\'t mind gay people, but it\'s funny to "poke" some fun at them once in a while.
Anyway, they should be able to do what they want... I just don\'t think the church should allow gay marriages because it would be very very hypocritical.
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Originally posted by politiepet
I was just wondering....what is your stance on for instance missionaries?(sp?)
Dunno what you\'re talkin bout, sorry... Missionaries? Cuz I dunno what "instance missionaries" are...
Originally posted by Coredweller
What\'s wrong with some little-known denomination of christianity interpreting the bible in a different way, and marrying a gay couple "under god?" I don\'t see how that would affect you either.
If you\'re against that, then nothing\'s going to solve your problem short of a modern crusade to reunite all the bizzaro christians under one set of rules. Hmmm, let me think now... hasn\'t that been tried before? :)
There\'s a huge difference between a different interpretation, and going against what the bible says.
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I have no problems with gays.
I find that VERY hard to believe after reading your first post.
The problem is that they are starting to want too much. They got all the laws against them revocked. Now they want to be allowed to get married at church? My problem is not with their actions, it\'s their ignorance. They know as well as anybody that Homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of Christians...well...most christians. Yet they still want to be allowed.
sounds a bit like something would say about colored people soon after the civil war... well not soon but yeah you get the point.
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I have no problem with gays, as long as they don\'t hit on me. I am kind of glad that they aren\'t in the military or Boy Scouts (its good to know that your not bunking with a gay guy in the tent but I tent alone unless chicks are involved). I guess I\'m neutral on this. Let them protest. I do agree though its disgusting and I don\'t want to see it in public. It should be a more private thing to do.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Once again, why does all this bother you people so much? Why does it bother you if they wear a wig or a dress, or whatever. It doesn\'t affect you. You don\'t have to go to their parade. I\'m sure you didn\'t anyway, but does it bother you so much to see it on TV? Switch the channel.
You\'re just displaying intolerance, plain and simple. It doesn\'t affect you.
It\'s like saying "why do those Sikh people have to wear turbans all the time? Why don\'t they just act like normal members of society?" I ask: WHAT IS NORMAL? Why should you care when it doesn\'t affect you?
I think you seriously need to question your own beliefs a bit more closely if you are this intolerant.
How DOESN\'T it affect us? It had to affect you somehow if you replied to this topic. It\'s not a matter of being intolerant. Well....it is...how can I be tolerant of them trying to change even the color of the sky to pink in order to fit their way of living? It affects the image of this country, it affects the people that have to go through this, it affects the people against this, it affects the people with this. It affects everybody. I don\'t know about you but I sure as hell hope that my kids don\'t grow up surrounded and influenced by what goes on around. If they grow up to be homosexuals, then either I would have done something wrong, or they just decided too. What the Homosexuals are doing right now is completely shameless. I was cool with the whole "we are equal even though we\'re gay" fight. But now they are taking their victory and trying to shove it into Christianity\'s face.
So back to my weird day at church yesterday. The priest was talkin about some things in the bible. Swif you\'re good at looking up stuff so do me a favor. He was talking about the things that happened right before the big flood and noah\'s ark you know. How some men were trying to get angels to have sex with and stuff. I think it was corinithians or something. So anyways, the dude says that cuz of the homo\'s trying to have sex with (guys)angels, he decided it was the last straw and flooded the place. So in other words he thinks we\'re living in the last days....makes since..YES...do i believe him.....NO.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Swif you\'re good at looking up stuff so do me a favor. He was talking about the things that happened right before the big flood and noah\'s ark you know. How some men were trying to get angels to have sex with and stuff. I think it was corinithians or something. So anyways, the dude says that cuz of the homo\'s trying to have sex with (guys)angels, he decided it was the last straw and flooded the place. So in other words he thinks we\'re living in the last days....makes since..YES...do i believe him.....NO.
Hmm... I never really heard of that, but here are some references of homosexuality in the bible:
Leviticus 18:22 - Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20:13 - \'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
1 Kings 14:24 - There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
1 Kings 15:22 - He expelled the male shrine prostitutes from the land and got rid of all the idols his fathers had made.
Romans 1:27 - In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
1 Corinthians 6:9 - Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders .
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Okay if your walking down the street and you see two gay guys how does that negativly impact you?
Edit: Yes I know that christians do not have to accept gays, my problem is with the hatred towards homosexuals shown by a large portion of society... and by people posting in this thread.. *Ahem*
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I know that question is directed at Mystiq, but I\'ll answer anyways... I don\'t mind at all, it\'s their choice, it\'s their life.
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True Swifdi. If they chose to live their lives that way, they can go on ahead.
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You\'re looking at it from a perspective that I can\'t say it does. Look at the big picture. I don\'t hate them. Im just not very fond of watching two old men walking down the street holding hands and acting like a 16 year old couple....
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To put the religious end of it aside for a second, why does that bother you?
Im being serious here because, I am heterosexual, but, I am just as fond of gay people as i am of anyone else.... So what bothers you so much?
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I already said that Religious beliefs apart, I don\'t care. It bothers me b/c It\'s weird. Weird things bother me.
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Nooo! Don\'t bring up Leviticus!!!! You can\'t have a tatoo without being killed, says Levitucus!
Come on guys.....The New Testament teaches us tolerance! TOLERANCE! Remember Jesus? He was killed coz he basically preached against the intolerant laws!
Don\'t bring up Leviticus again. It ALWAYS back fires. Trust me.
I wash my hands of this thread. OUTTA HERE! See ya.
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THATS THE ONE!!!
Why is it so bad?
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I already said that Religious beliefs apart, I don\'t care. It bothers me b/c It\'s weird. Weird things bother me.
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People said that about blacks 60 years ago... blacks and whites living together as equals??? Thats weird!
I\'m not defending them, nor am I accusing them. I try to live as Jesus would have, and he would never have mocked or accused them. He would have opened his arms to them and loved them when no one else would have.
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Mystiq, a year from now you\'ll look back at this and realize how silly you sound.
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You should move to San Fransisco or Columbus to really see a decent amount of homosexuality. I dont\' see why you should get any benefits that they don\'t, they are people just like you and I.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Come on guys.....The New Testament teaches us tolerance! TOLERANCE! Remember Jesus? He was killed coz he basically preached against the intolerant laws!
I never liked the word "tolerance" in this sort of context. It still separates (in this case) homosexuals from everyone else, just.. tolerated.
Acceptance should be what is aimed for, not tolerance. They\'re humans, just like everyone else.
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Originally posted by Blade
Anal sex is not really sex, neither is oral sex or anything but actual vaginal intercourse. This is just nit-picking, I know.. but it is the truth.
And if you wear a condom? Then clearly your "actual vaginal intercourse" would not be for reproduction, but pleasure with the one you love (I hope :)). I don\'t see how that\'s any different from other forms of sexual contact between \'couples\' (men or women).
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I really think that humans should abandon this idea of organized
religion... it really has not benefited us at any point in the history of humankind, it has only served to seperate us into factions who
spend more time judging others who are different. We really
should be trying to fix up this ball of rock we inhabit than trying to
please invisible men who rule the universe...unless you\'re hindu,
then you should not be wasting time trying to please a
multi-armed psychedelic elephant.
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^^
Samwise, the \'technical\' meaning of \'sex\' is penetration of the penis into the vagina to climax. All other types of sex is normally classed as sexual contact, not actual intercourse.
God was smart. Reproduction would have been a chore without some type of pleasure. Its the most ingenious concept of creation IMO. It was a way for the earth to become populated FAST, and to ensure that the human race would not die off.
Its also pretty uncanny that the male prostate, found under the rectum, can give so much sexual pleasure via anal stimulation. Was it Gods way of saying that homosexuality was wrong (the very fact that you can gain stimulation from the same place that your body disposes of garbage)? I find this concept really interesting.
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i am going to use a line from rambo 3 to explain my fealings about this topic.
Afghani fighter "God Must love crasy people"
Rambo "Whys that"
Afghani fighter "Because he makes so many of them *laughs and rides off".
Lets fact it Does it mater if your :ghey: or Not ?
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After all I know many Heterosexual “Christians” who are less “Christian” then the Gay Christians I know.
The way I see it.. God love you no mater what “warts in all”
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"feelings"
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god and politics two thing that should never be discussed between friends
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Originally posted by Avatarr
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Me..You
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Looks like you\'ve got a little facination with anal sex...
IMO, it sounds like you have some deep seeded issues about homosexuality. Remind you of the time you wanted to touch your best friends cock in 5th grade eh?
This coming from a guy that played "pony boy" in the shower with other guys... :ghey:
Anyway, to each their own... if gays aren\'t forcing their agenda or ideology on me or my children I could care less what they do. SirMystiq, I really don\'t see the point of your whole rant.
However, I do think that racer does have a point about your "deep seeded" issues with homosexuality.
Oh yeah and one more thing, lesbians rule ;)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
However, I do think that racer does have a point about your "deep seeded" issues with homosexuality.
Yeah your right racer and SirMystiq, does seem to protest to much.
I mean if they where 100% comfortable about their sexuality then it wouldn\'t bother them soo much.
me thinks that are Batty Boys.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
God was smart. Reproduction would have been a chore without some type of pleasure. Its the most ingenious concept of creation IMO. It was a way for the earth to become populated FAST, and to ensure that the human race would not die off.
why didn\'t he just make lots of us at a time, after all, he is god, isn\'t he? it should not be a problem!
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Do you guys think homosexuality is a lifestyle choice that people are born with or a product of upbringing?
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I definitely think it\'s genetic. Like david cross (comedian) said:
".... It\'s not like some effeminate 16 year old says to himself, \'I think
high school is not hard enough, why don\'t I add being gay to the mix?
Then maybe I can get beat up every day!"
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I Think its a mix of genetics and developing.
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Do you think things like pedophilia/bestiality/etc. are genetic?
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I read somewhere homosexuallity is caused by overpopulation, dunno if it\'s true though
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There were homosexuals/pedophiles (ie. Boston\'s Catholic Priests) in ancient Greece and they were nowhere near as crowded as we are today.
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im closing this thread to due to the violent projection of ignorance
we can only hope that your children our your childrens friends aren\'t gay cause as you all know, god hates fags
:rolleyes: