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9/18/03 issue of Rolling Stone:
"The 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time"
http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=1924
Yet another pointless list, but at least they got some of them right. Before you look at the list, my advice is to completely disregard the ranking. You could drive yourself insane wondering why some talentless hack is ranked in front of so many other geniuses. More important is WHO THEY LEFT OUT. It really makes you wonder. I\'ll post something on the most offensive ommisions later.
1 Jimi Hendrix
2 Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers Band
3 B.B. King
4 Eric Clapton
5 Robert Johnson
6 Chuck Berry
7 Stevie Ray Vaughan
8 Ry Cooder
9 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin
10 Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones
11Kirk Hammett of Metallica
12 Kurt Cobain of Nirvana
13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
14 Jeff Beck
15 Carlos Santana
16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones
17 Jack White of the White Stripes
18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
19 Richard Thompson
20 James Burton
21 George Harrison
22 Mike Bloomfield
23 Warren Haynes of Govt Mule
24 The Edge of U2
25 Freddy King
26 Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave
27 Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits
28 Stephen Stills
29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges
30 Buddy Guy
31 Dick Dale
32 John Cipollina of Quicksilver Messenger Service
33 & 34 Lee Ranaldo, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth
35 John Fahey
36 Steve Cropper of Booker T. and the MG\'s
37 Bo Diddley
38 Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac
39 Brian May of Qeen
40 John Fogerty of Creedence Clearwater Revival
41 Clarence White of the Byrds
42 Robert Fripp of King Crimson
43 Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic
44 Scotty Moore
45 Frank Zappa
46 Les Paul
47 T-Bone Walker
48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith
49 John McLaughlin
50 Pete Townshend
51 Paul Kossoff of Free
52 Lou Reed
53 Mickey Baker
54 Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane
55 Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple
56 Tom Verlaine of Television
57 Roy Buchanan
58 Dickey Betts
59 & 60 Jonny Greenwood, Ed O\'Brien of Radiohead
61 Ike Turner
62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band
63 Danny Gatton
64 Mick Ronson
65 Hubert Sumlin
66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour
67 Link Wray
68 Jerry Miller of Moby Grape
69 Steve Howe of Yes
70 Eddie Van Halen
71 Lightnin\' Hopkins
72 Joni Mitchell
73 Trey Anastasio of Phish
74 Johnny Winter
75 Adam Jones of Tool
76 Ali Farka Toure
77 Henry Vestine of Canned Heat
78 Robbie Robertson of the Band
79 Cliff Gallup of the Blue Caps (1997)
80 Robert Quine of the Voidoids
81 Derek Trucks
82 David Gilmour of Pink Floyd
83 Neil Young
84 Eddie Cochran
85 Randy Rhoads
86 Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath
87 Joan Jett
88 Dave Davies of the Kinks
89 D. Boon of the Minutemen
90 Glen Buxton of Alice Cooper
91 Robby Krieger of the Doors
92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5
94 Bert Jansch
95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine
96 Angus Young of AC/DC
97 Robert Randolph
98 Leigh Stephens of Blue Cheer
99 Greg Ginn of Black Flag
100 Kim Thayil of Soundgarden
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Every guitarist knows that Hendrix is not the best ever
IMO, Stevie Ray Vaughan is hands down
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HEY! I thought I was on that list! Just for the record, I was #101. :p
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Originally posted by ViVi
Every guitarist knows that Hendrix is not the best ever
IMO, Stevie Ray Vaughan is hands down
Did you think before posting that? Are you trolling? Or do you just have no damn clue what the hell you\'re talking about? I vote for option 3.
I love Stevie Ray, and he is a personal hero for me in many ways. However, he patterned a large part of his technique on Hendrix. He covered Hendrix songs on most of his albums, and played them at every performance. He stated over and over that Hendrix was one of his greatest influences. Jimi invented most of what the rest of the modern guitarists on this list take for granted.
To say that "Every guitarist knows that Hendrix is not the best ever" is incredibly wrong. I challenge you to find a professional guitarist that DOES NOT SAY that Jimi was the best ever. If they deny it, they\'re just trying to gain some publicity. Hendrix was the greatest guitar genius on this or any other list, and he deserves to be No.1.
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I guess ViVi isn\'t allowed to have his own opinion.
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WTF? I\'ve defended ViVi before.
"Every guitarist knows that Hendrix is not the best ever" is wrong. Sorry, but you can\'t deny it.
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The qualifier is the word "Every". That sounds like a fact and not an opinion. Just so you know. :)
BTW....I was #101. :p
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*shockwaves wants to insert Michael Romeo onto that list somewhere
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Screw this list. There are so many legendary guitarists and some of them arent even on the friggin list. I certainly did not see Joe Satriani (Kirk Hammett\'s friggin mentor) and maybe even his friend/rival Steve Vai. On another note, Kurt Cobain was not one of the say "greatest" guitarists. I have respect for him w/o a doubt but hes not even up with those other guys. Buddy Guy easily is better than him and hes at #30.
W/e. If you have any common sense about "real" guitarists then you know this list is kinda f*cked. Not saying i dissagree completely but i dont see how there is any way people can be non biased and make an accurate top 100 list.
"66 Vernon Reid of Living Colour " man i didnt even catch this one. Thats old school. :D
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Vernon Reid deserves to be higher on the list, if you care about rankings. That guy is a monster. His solo album "Mistaken Identity" is one of my all time favorites. :)
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When Hendrix was asked who was the best guitarist in the world he said Phil Keggy. My friend worships him.. surprised he\'s not on the list.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Vernon Reid deserves to be higher on the list, if you care about rankings. That guy is a monster. His solo album "Mistaken Identity" is one of my all time favorites. :)
Damn Straight *raises fist* Word:fro:
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Kermit the Frog\'s performance in the song "The Rainbow Connection" should have him at #12. He was rockin!
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Aaron Lewis!!!!!!!!!!!
;)
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Originally posted by THX
When Hendrix was asked who was the best guitarist in the world he said Phil Keggy. My friend worships him.. surprised he\'s not on the list.
Hendrix also said that about Terry Kath of Chicago, another guy who didn\'t make the list. :(
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Hendrix is good but not the best.
17 Jack White of the White Stripes
He is decent- but the 17th no! more like the 80th. Not that good.
Steve Vai should be up their too.
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I think this list should be called 100 Most Popular guitarist of all time.
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Here are the changes I would make:
Remove:
11Kirk Hammett of Metallica
13 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
16 Johnny Ramone of the Ramones
17 Jack White of the White Stripes
18 John Frusciante of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
28 Stephen Stills
29 Ron Asheton of the Stooges
48 Joe Perry of Aerosmith
56 Tom Verlaine of Television
61 Ike Turner
62 Zoot Horn Rollo of the Magic Band
72 Joni Mitchell
73 Trey Anastasio of Phish
75 Adam Jones of Tool
89 D. Boon of the Minutemen
92 & 93 Fred "Sonic" Smith, Wayne Kramer of the MC5
95 Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine
And probably several others. I don\'t care... I don\'t want to see any punk rockers on this list. Banging the shit out of three chords does not qualify you for a list of 100 Greatest Guitarists. Besides, punks always distained the kind of music created by most of the other musicians on the list. ALSO ... no goddamn jam bands like The Grateful Dead or Phish. Your ability as a guitar player will not be recognized until you learn to edit yourself.
Add:
Andres Segovia !!!!
Chet Atkins !!!!
Doc Watson !!!!
Gary Moore
Joe Walsh
Eric Johnson
Billy Gibbons of ZZ Topp
Adrian Belew of King Crimson
Terry Kath of Chicago
Leo Kottke
Steve Vai
Larry Carlton
Joe Satriani
Junior Brown
Lindsay Buckingham of Fleetwood Mac
George Benson
Brian Setzer
Alex Lifeson of Rush
Elliott Randall of The Doobie Brothers and Steely Dan
Pat Metheny
Andy Summers of the Police
Steve Morse of the Dixie Dregs
Alvin Lee of Ten Years After
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BTW Gman: I\'m number 102. We should jam some time! :)
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Originally posted by Coredweller
96 Angus Young of AC/DC
:ghey:
And i actually agree with Vivi on this one... not the fact that every guitarist thinks that... but Jimi Hendrix is not the greatest guitarist of all time... he made the top becuase he was a pioneer of his genre... but that has nothing to do with his guitar skills.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Here are the changes I would make:
Remove:
11Kirk Hammett of Metallica
:whip:
btw im 101 :headbang:
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No you\'re not, you\'re 103. Get in line. :p
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Originally posted by Kimahri
:ghey:
And i actually agree with Vivi on this one... not the fact that every guitarist thinks that... but Jimi Hendrix is not the greatest guitarist of all time... he made the top becuase he was a pioneer of his genre... but that has nothing to do with his guitar skills.
Are you saying Angus is :ghey: ???? WTF???? :p
BTW, being a pioneer is part of what made Hendrix great. He created what everyone else built on. It\'s easier to build from the master\'s blueprint than it is to start from scratch. That\'s why he is the greatest. Andres Segovia is no.2. :)
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No, im saying Angus should be waaayyyy higher on the list.
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I strongly agree. :)
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Originally posted by Coredweller
I strongly agree. :)
Ok then its settled. Let us celebrate our agreement with the adding of chocolate to milk.
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Jack White?!?!?!?!?!
Can\'t believe more of you haven\'t commented on it.
And Kirk Hammett stays.
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Adam Jones should have been way higher, I also would have added Kerry King on the list, because damn that guy is fast.
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Personally I like Santana and Garcia alot. There are so many others I believe it is just a matter of preference. And perhaps
of age. :beer:
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:mad: :rpissed:And Were is John Squire From The Stone Roses ???222????? :mad: :rpissed:
pfffttt
100 indeed :rolleyes:
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Yer kidding, right?
For this list, it seems guitarists need to have some noteriety or longevity. Just being an amazing guitar player is not good enough. If this were just about technical ability, I would have nominated my guitar god, Buckethead... but he doesn\'t have the noteriety.
That\'s why I don\'t agree with listing any of these young metal guitarists like Kirk Hammett or Adam Jones. I like them, but they just haven\'t had the career longevity to put them on the same list as the legends. Besides, I don\'t see how you can put a young metal guitarist on the list, but then ignore the generation prior to his that inpired him. I\'ve heard that Hammett is a Michael Schenker freak, and he can play any UFO song ever recorded, yet Schenker is not on the list? What about Gary Moore and Adrian Smith from Iron Maiden, and Phil Campbell from Motorhead?
Remember what decade metal was born in?
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I can\'t seem to see Slash anywhere on that list.
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Uhh... Kirk hammet is ooooold. Hes been in metallica since 83.
He would be bald if it werent for his hair extensions.
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1983 was not such a long time ago, sonny! :) Hammett is definitely part of the 2nd generation. Heavy Metal was born with Black Sabbath in 1969, and the great 70\'s were it\'s cradle. Metallica was an 80\'s band, thus 2nd generation.
BTW Slash is overrated. I\'d put Ted Nugent on before Slash. :p
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That\'s a small sample, I would say. :)
I hate to belabor this point, but I feel I must state the facts. I\'ve been playing guitar for 19 years, and I\'ve had the good fortune to have several teachers. I\'ve also met a number of professional guitarists, and I\'ve never personally met anyone who believes that Jimi Hendrix is not the greatest rock guitar player of all time. As I said, there are those who deny it in interviews, but they usually do so to attract attention.
You also don\'t have to be a rock\'n\'roller to appreciate Jimi. I recall once witnessing Christopher Parkening perform transcriptions of "Purple Haze" and "Little Wing" on the classical guitar.
I just found it a little odd that you cited Stevie Ray Vaughan as being superior to Hendrix, when SRV stated throughout his life that Hendrix was his hero, and that no one could ever equal him. BTW, that\'s what most other guitarists say also.
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Heh, the initial list is a total joke if it\'s sorted from "best" to "worst".
Gilmour at no.82? He\'s on par with Clapton, IMHO. Eddie Van Halen at no.70 is a travesty. Speaking of travesties.. no Steve Vai, and no mention of Buck Dharma.. who whomps at least Kurt Cobain.
I hate to say it, but guitarists.. well.. I don\'t think you should get brownie points for thrash metal and stuff like that. Some of the guys that Rolling Stone picked might are generic, garage band stuff. Just because you think that the songs were good, Rolling Stone.. doesn\'t mean that the guitarists were.
I also hate to say that certain forms of music have gone downhill over the past 15 years. Rock is one of them, especially with the alternative revolution. Just my opinion, but garage bands were made into gods and frankly I gotta say that a lot of the stuff (even a lot of Nirvana\'s stuff) is just plain rotten. They have their good songs, their classic songs.. but angst-filled music is one brick in that big wall of corruption in our society. Who told people that listening to jackasses screaming obscenities into a microphone while thrashing a guitar was worth multi-platinum sales?
Not me. ;) Heh, sorry if I offended anybody\'s tastes.. but I detest a lot of today\'s music.
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No Django Reinhardt?!?!?! BAH.
j/p
BB King is high on the list so I am happy.
BTW, Cored why would you take Ike Turner off the list. He has some of the greatest hits ever. Didn\'t you see "Whats love got to do with it?"
/cue rimshot(not the ooseven kind)
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Originally posted by Blade
Heh, the initial list is a total joke if it\'s sorted from "best" to "worst".
Gilmour at no.82? He\'s on par with Clapton, IMHO. Eddie Van Halen at no.70 is a travesty. Speaking of travesties.. no Steve Vai, and no mention of Buck Dharma.. who whomps at least Kurt Cobain.
I hate to say it, but guitarists.. well.. I don\'t think you should get brownie points for thrash metal and stuff like that. Some of the guys that Rolling Stone picked might are generic, garage band stuff. Just because you think that the songs were good, Rolling Stone.. doesn\'t mean that the guitarists were.
I also hate to say that certain forms of music have gone downhill over the past 15 years. Rock is one of them, especially with the alternative revolution. Just my opinion, but garage bands were made into gods and frankly I gotta say that a lot of the stuff (even a lot of Nirvana\'s stuff) is just plain rotten. They have their good songs, their classic songs.. but angst-filled music is one brick in that big wall of corruption in our society. Who told people that listening to jackasses screaming obscenities into a microphone while thrashing a guitar was worth multi-platinum sales?
Not me. ;) Heh, sorry if I offended anybody\'s tastes.. but I detest a lot of today\'s music.
You are almost right, but it depends on what type of metal/rock you are reffering to. Most metal bands today (and im not talking about death metal, grind/or thrash core) Is very basic and when i go to shows they rarely even play cords! Its all a bunch of crap when all they do is play one line of strings in one frat. Now there is a lot of death metal or just plain harder shit that may not deserve a slot in the top 100 but the guitarists have mad talent and it shows through the diversity of their music, (eventhough it might be yelling obscenities into a mic, which it isnt always).
Like i said, it would be soo incredibly difficult to compile a true top 100 list and not have decisions based, or influenced by bias.
Theres even this guy with like 3 fingers that plays almost as good as Joe Sat or Vai etc. Now thats some crazy shit. ;)
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Originally posted by ooseven
:mad: :rpissed:And Were is John Squire From The Stone Roses ???222????? :mad: :rpissed:
pfffttt
100 indeed :rolleyes:
AMEN, brutha... :(
and where is chizzy?!?!?!
;)
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Mike McCready of Pearl Jam is another to add to the list.
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Chizzy, from that one band?
Jesus I thought he got married to Michael Jackson...
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it didn\'t work out...
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Was he good in bed?
;) :laughing:
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He was a little heavy on the teeth...
plus, I never got used to the monkey shit everywhere...