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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: ooseven on August 29, 2003, 06:37:36 AM
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One lying Bastard Down two more to go (Tony Blair & Jeff Hoon ) and we will have a set.
Woot
Alastair Campbell quits
Alastair Campbell is to resign as the government\'s director of communications and strategy.
Mr Campbell\'s decision was announced by Downing Street shortly after 1430 BST on Friday.
No successor has been announced, while a date for Mr Campbell\'s departure has not been set.
He said: "It has been an enormous privilege to work so closely in opposition and in government for someone I believe history will judge as a great transforming prime minister."
Today is a Good day ....oh sorry Ace better start :crying: now because tony won\'t be long behind him.
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Crap, I thought you were talking about Hillary Clinton.
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Time for Bush to search for a new friend?
http://pub3.ezboard.com/blapdog
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I see Campbell\'s missus is going too!
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Originally posted by Ace
Crap, I thought you were talking about Hillary Clinton.
I am :D
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^^^Your hero is Michael Moore?
lol, Thats pretty funny.
Wait....you\'re not joking?!?!
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Michael Moore? :rolleyes:
Now, back to the topic, sucks for Blair. Now, I like Bliar ONLY because, he was brave enough to stand up for what he believed was right (especially since he is a liberal). But, given the viciousness of the BBC trying to bring down Blair, it is unforetuenetly expected.
As for Hillary, first thing I thought too. :laughing:
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What made him a lying bastard ooseven
Honestly I think all you\'re doing is labeling him anything you feel like.
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To be honest, I do not have enough info on whether or not he is a "liar". If the info he had, and gave was anything that Bush gave, then no, was no liar. If anything, the info he had "may" be incorrect or exagerated, but is by no means a liar. All I said...sucks for Blair (which it is). I didn\'t say that Campbell is guilty of anything. And it really sucks that he would be the one to take the blame for something he didn\'t do. But, it still is no help to Blair or his government now. Especially by the BBC which is trying to impose their agenda in Britain.
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Originally posted by ViVi
What made him a lying bastard ooseven
Honestly I think all you\'re doing is labeling him anything you feel like.
This line
"Iraq has WMD"
and this
"The National health is save in our hands"
and this
"Crime is falling"
and this one
"the Millenium Dome will only cost 200 Million"
And this line
"Asylum is under control"
etc...etc...etc...
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Originally posted by ooseven
This line
"Iraq has WMD"
And? We are still searching and many reports have shown that yes, Iraq DOES have WMD. It will take time to look for them. Sure, even if we do find them, it would be questionable that would EVER please the anti-war crowd (I\'m guessing...never)...but this can\'t be counted out as a lie by the anti-war people yet.
and this
"The National health is save in our hands"
Depends on what he means by this. If he means keeping the current socialized medicare, which is a terrible system IMO...and he decided to change this, then yes, he did "lie". But that is stretching it because this statement is too damn general to come up heads or tales what he means. Sounds like typical political speak.
and this
"Crime is falling"
Well, yup, this is a lie espeically if crime IS rising. But again, more political speak which...most/all politicians (unforetunetly) are guilty of.
and this one
"the Millenium Dome will only cost 200 Million"
Wow. Sounds just like our politicians. Project supposed to cost 1 billion, in reality, cost 5 billion. Lie? Yup. But a lie that is ALL too common? Yes.
And this line
"Asylum is under control"
Ahhhhh...the immigration issue. Well, I agree that from what I hear about the immigration issue (specifically, the asylum issue on the other side of the pond) this is a problem...that is NOT under control. So here, I agree with you is a lie.
The problem is though, you just described 80-90% of the politicians. Unless we have some sort of revolution that truely shakes up the system, Campbell is not alone in his "lies".
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^^^Just because its common place doesn\'t mean that its not wrong. If 9 out of 10 people solved their problems by stabbing the nearest person does that mean person number 3 shouldn\'t be labelled a criminal?
/Devil\'s Advocate
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I NEVER said it was right. I\'m just pointing out that, Campbell is not alone if the critia for "bad politicians" is what ooseven stated.
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But he has.. because he the man responsible for the Governments fixation of Image over Public Service.
Please remember that politicians are public servants and there by should place the publics need way ahead of personal ambitions.
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I\'m not disagreeing with you. Just that, I can name MANY politicians on this side of the pond that sound and act just like Campbell on BOTH sides of the aisle. Many even in high up jobs. From John Kerry, Richard Gephart, Chuck Shumer, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Jim Jeffords, Trent Lott, Olympia Snow, Orin Hatch, and so on and so on. And yes, even George W. Bush falls into this category.
Those of coarse are at the national level. Being in California, I can easily name quite a few image over public service, power over the public good of the state (nation) politicians that drove us into the mess we are currently at in this state (Gray Davis whom is now under a recall [which all the elites REALLY hate since its "anti-democracy".]).
Its a fact, a VERY unfortenate fact, but a still a fact.
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Sorry buddy but i was sick to the back teeth of NON British citizens saying.
“oh your so luck your have Blair as Leader “
Just because of Tony’s Stance on Iraq.
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Alastair Campbell wasn\'t a politician, he\'s an ex reporter hired by the government to give things a more presentable feel.
By that description alone you can see what they take the \'little people\' in this country for.
He was pure nastiness and evil programmed only to forward his own career by twisting things in his own twattish way. No-one was really taken in by him and most were just waiting for the arrogant little shit to quit.
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I\'m also tired about how non-American citizens say how horrible we are for electing Bush (intensied by the Iraqi debate).
BTW, I\'m no Blair fan. The only thing I agree with Blair is his stance on Iraq. Everything else I heard about him, I wouldn\'t vote for him (or since this is the Parlimentary system, his party) at all.
Which in this thread, thats the only thing I praise Blair on (the Iraq issue). Never said Blair was a great leader other then his stance on Iraq.
As for Campbell, sounds like he is just a spokesperson who simply passes on the information (if what Green Meanie is saying is true). In fact, sounds like a certain other spokesperson from this state. Goes by the name of Bob Mulholand. He is the California Democratic Party spokesperson and is one of the main people for helping California become the Democratic cesspool of stupidity that it is today. He pretty much degraded politics to the crap that it is today (even though they themselves...are not directly involved). Bob Mulholand is one of the nastiest campaigners out there. When you talk about dirty politics, demogaugery, race baiting, and class warfare, Bob Mulholand is the master of this.
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Yup Al Campell is our answer to Bob Mulholand in EVERY way.
In fact i don\'t know who\'s more to blame for Ultra low voter turn out.
Blair and his B.S. New Labour
or
Ali Campbell and his Tour De Force style Spin Doctor\'n
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All politicians are the same, there is no-one who I would pick out as being better at his/her job than anyone else, it makes it hard to have any get up and go about the voting process when all the candidates are in it for the same shallow reasons.
John Smith is missed and Hague shouldn\'t have quit after not winning the generals.
How long until Bliar goes then? Place your bets.
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Asking UN for help now?
Som man bäddar får man ligga.
As you make your bed, so you must lie on it.
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Well the President ALWAYS wanted the UNs help despite what the media protrays him. After all, why do you think we even dealt with the UN in the first place? That doesn\'t mean that I feel the UN is an imcompetent organization...but I\'m not the President either.
Back Alastair Campbell, if he is like Bob Mulholland, then I\'m glad he resigned on that point. Not on Iraq persay, but on the degredation of politics as we know it (and it was pretty low to begin with).
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Oh so NOW its OK to have the UN involved.....
*Coff* Double Standards again *coff*
For Fook Sake Bush make your mind up
its
either
UN = the toothless tiger of no help to anyone (before the war)
or
UN = Our best buddys and the people who are going to bail us out. (Now)
you Can\'t have them both.
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They are a toothless tiger. The fact that it took 12 years for Iraq (and still did nothing), running around waiting for "US" help in Liberia, still trying to solve the Congo situation, it is a toothless tiger.
But, since they are still around, and it is still a place where the US can still get support (even if it is minimal and usually, its a place where we get NO support), a politician, like say President Bush, with the likes of diplomats like Colin Powell (man who convinced Bush to go through the UN in the first place) can still ask for their support because...its still there (much to my disgruntlement).
Personally, I\'d say screw the UN and garner international support through other means. But I\'m not the President am I?
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Hmm intresting times a head.
Bush and Blair to OLD europe "could you help ous out ?"
Old Europe " **** Off"
Bush and Blair to "new" Europe
"New" Europe "err this isn\'t our fight"