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Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: MAKAVELIUK on September 25, 2003, 04:53:38 AM: :eek: yum, yum. It looks like a real photo if you sit back from the screen. Polyphony i salute you :bounce:

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Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: GmanJoe on September 25, 2003, 05:06:41 AM: That\'s my car. But mine\'s silver.....therefore mine is teh fastar! :D

Subies rule. That is all.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Unicron! on September 25, 2003, 05:11:54 AM: Silver Subaru.Mmmmm.....sexy
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: ##RaCeR## on September 25, 2003, 06:03:32 AM: Rims still dont look 3D...

C\'mon Polyphony, is it too much to ask?
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: JP on September 25, 2003, 06:49:30 AM: Hmm I definitely remember reading somewhere that there would be 3D rims in the game.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on September 25, 2003, 07:17:44 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Rims still dont look 3D...

C\'mon Polyphony, is it too much to ask?

Haha, yah. Because it\'s really easy to program such intense 3D graphics up to photorealistic standards. :rolleyes:

If they\'re not modelled in 3D then it is too much to ask. Dolt.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: MAKAVELIUK on September 25, 2003, 10:13:13 AM: They are 3D rims.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: GmanJoe on September 25, 2003, 10:43:44 AM: Looks round enough for me.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Kurt Angle on September 25, 2003, 12:56:06 PM: Look\'s good enough to me!
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Unicron! on September 25, 2003, 01:07:10 PM: It doesnt look that much of a leap from GT3 though
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: cobragt on September 25, 2003, 03:26:59 PM: Well ppl keep in mind the game will be out in 04 so PD has more time.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: ##RaCeR## on September 25, 2003, 05:01:42 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Haha, yah. Because it\'s really easy to program such intense 3D graphics up to photorealistic standards. :rolleyes:

If they\'re not modelled in 3D then it is too much to ask. Dolt.

You have got to be one of the most anal retentive people I have ever encounted.

GTC had 3D rims modeled into the car showroom, but out on the track they went back to 2D. I suppose they didn\'t have time to model each rim in 3D for GTC. They should however try to implement it this time around.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Echo on September 25, 2003, 05:13:53 PM: Quote
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
They should however try to implement it this time around.

They have, or at least I read somewhere that they have.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Lord Nicon on September 25, 2003, 05:33:37 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Unicron!
It doesnt look that much of a leap from GT3 though

Have you seen the new movies? Guess not because you would be quick to recind that comment my friend.

Did i mention that is a poor capture. Come on. You know we have seen better in the forums
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: MAKAVELIUK on September 25, 2003, 05:54:18 PM: BAM!!

GT4 blows GT3 away!!!!

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.btinternet.com%2F%7Estu18%2Fcomparison.jpg&hash=62e2c489af6e5be3de53facc926a56254170da66)
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Lord Nicon on September 25, 2003, 06:01:38 PM: Thank you Maka. Even with a bad capture.

Booyah grandma:wave2:
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on September 25, 2003, 11:32:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
You have got to be one of the most anal retentive people I have ever encounted.

No, you\'re just a fucking dumbass.

Quote
GTC had 3D rims modeled into the car showroom, but out on the track they went back to 2D. I suppose they didn\'t have time to model each rim in 3D for GTC. They should however try to implement it this time around.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that renderring a car during a race is far more intensive than in the showroom?

Oh, and yah. GT4 looks MUCH better than GT3.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Unicron! on September 26, 2003, 12:02:47 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Have you seen the new movies? Guess not because you would be quick to recind that comment my friend.

Did i mention that is a poor capture. Come on. You know we have seen better in the forums

I havent seen any direct feed movies.And the most impressive GT4 pics I ve seen so far are in High Res.More high res than the PS2 can handle.
Perhaps I have that impression because I hevent seen what you people have seen.

Quote
Originally posted by MAKAVELIUK
BAM!!

GT4 blows GT3 away!!!!

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Hey thats unfair.You compare the newer better looking model with the prototype "ugly" one in a track were the car doesnt show much of its enviromental mapping.And may I say its blurry?
I d like to see two good captures(in the same quality) with the same model in a similar truck.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: ooseven on September 26, 2003, 12:36:27 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
You have got to be one of the most anal retentive people I have ever encounted.

:laughing: thats it thats going on my sig :laughing:

Anyway Looking Good ... no in fact Superb... shocked at that JUMP in detail from GT4 to GT3...

Might actually get it then.

Havent played GT3 in a while
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Kurt Angle on September 26, 2003, 12:48:25 AM: My GT3 won\'t load up any more :(
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: ##RaCeR## on September 26, 2003, 04:42:34 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
No, you\'re just a fucking dumbass.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that renderring a car during a race is far more intensive than in the showroom?

Oh, and yah. GT4 looks MUCH better than GT3.

so your saying a 200 poly rim is gonna make much differance? Im not asking for ****ing Find Nemo, just some freakin 3D rims.

freakin hell...
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Bobs_Hardware on September 26, 2003, 05:13:08 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
so your saying a 200 poly rim is gonna make much differance? Im not asking for ****ing Find Nemo, just some freakin 3D rims.

freakin hell...

If it didn\'t make a difference, and they already modelled the car with 3D rims, why would they not include it?

And yes, every little bit counts..
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: MAKAVELIUK on September 26, 2003, 08:28:09 AM: (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusuarios.iespana.es%2Fgranturismo4%2Fcaps.jpg&hash=a8a8ca7b5d7a977a4d3bd6e92a935f16287d8a4a)

New video - http://home.no/xeqtr/S10022963.asf
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Unicron! on September 26, 2003, 09:01:58 AM: now THATS IMPRESSIVE
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Lord Nicon on September 26, 2003, 09:39:12 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Unicron!
now THATS IMPRESSIVE

And thus the non-believer is saved.

:surprised A snow stage! YESSS!
Did any of you check out the last vid with the pit crews and gallery men in action? Good god, that was by far one of the most impressive things ive seen in a long time.

And is it me or do those rims on the EvoVII look 3D? They always confuse me.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Unicron! on September 26, 2003, 09:57:20 AM: Damn my 56k modem

edit:Finally downloaded the movie after a near 2 hour of wait.What can I say.They have made a great work.The attenion to detail and the effort put into the game is scary
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Halberto on September 26, 2003, 01:55:20 PM: A few months back I said GT3 looked just as good, now I\'m blown away.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Samwise on September 27, 2003, 12:03:49 AM: OMG... I just creamed my pants.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Kurt Angle on September 27, 2003, 02:45:30 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Samwise
OMG... I just creamed my pants.

Nothing new there then ;)
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: ##RaCeR## on September 27, 2003, 03:26:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Lord Nicon

And is it me or do those rims on the EvoVII look 3D? They always confuse me.

Do you own GT Concept? Go to any cars showroom (car selection screen) and watch the light reflect off of the rims. They are fully 3D in the showroom. Then take the same car out onto the track and look at the rims when it does the cars fly pass before the race starts, the rims are now 2D.

EDIT - OMG, all in game, real time! quality sucks but look what they are of! 3D blades of grass!!!

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Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Lord Nicon on September 27, 2003, 06:17:08 AM: Racer i know. Im just saying that in that particular screen it was in the middle of a race and the rims had a surprizingly non 2d look thats all. And the shots from the video dont even do that video justice , (but nice anyway). I was really worried about how they would pull off the crowds and the pit crew but they did an amazing job.

I love polyphony
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Kurt Angle on September 27, 2003, 06:20:14 AM: Nice screens racer, it\'s good to see proper 3D pit crews and fans at the side of the track. They look amazing, something that is lacking in all other racing/rallying games.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Unicron! on September 27, 2003, 06:34:54 AM: What???You mean the rally pic with the spectators and the other one where they are fixing the car are rael time?? :eek:
When I saw these in the movie I thought it was FMV!!!
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: politiepet on September 27, 2003, 06:51:31 AM: the pit scene is at least partially fmv....look at the tires, they are way too detailed
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Unicron! on September 27, 2003, 09:51:18 AM: Are they using nerbs of something for the human spectators??They seem too detailed and they are too many for a game that has way too much detail already to run at constant 60 fps :eek:

edit:they even have self-shadowing!!!:eek:
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: cobragt on September 27, 2003, 07:34:48 PM: Look at this, this car has 3D rims
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/screen0/561066_20030926_screen004.jpg
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: ##RaCeR## on September 27, 2003, 08:05:10 PM: ^^

Nah, you can see that the inside of the wheel is kinda 3D but the actual rim is just a 2D map stuck on it.

I know I am being picking, but can\'t they get rid of one spectator and give us 3D rims? Regardless, this game is going to rock. That Italian track in the vid looks amazing, its so narrow and hilly.

The rally section of the vid with the spectators is definately realtime I would say, and probably the pit crew section too. I mean, don\'t you guys remember Ridge Racer 5\'s intro sequence with the hot Asian chick? That was being rendered in realtime, and that was over 3 years ago! Namco are good, but Polyphony are better...

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fps2media.ign.com%2Fmedia%2Fnews%2Fimage%2Fridgeracer5%2Frr01.jpg&hash=cd2a98237242dcda2febc89184170d6a43b3a55e)

Just think of her, times 10, slightly less detail... Nice.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: cobragt on September 27, 2003, 09:48:49 PM: I know for sure the scene with the rally car going past the animated crowd is real time but everyone isn\'t sure about the pitcrew but this is what a smart guy on another board said

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/GT4/screen75b.jpg
Its IN GAME Look at the ground texture here^^^ You can see a slight blur in it (common amoung video games

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/GT4/screen77b.jpg
In this pic here, you can see a slight jag in the Orange section of the car (bottom)

http://home.zonnet.nl/rooy08/GT4/screen79b.jpg
Ground texture....Also , the shadow dosent line up right in this shot..The car shadow is in the back, The pit crew is to the right of them.....See?
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Unicron! on September 28, 2003, 12:31:30 AM: Perhaps they took the same models they use in the real time scenes, enhanced them a bit and made an FMV.Something similar to what they did with the Tekken4 endings
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Kurt Angle on September 28, 2003, 01:59:36 AM: (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.com.com%2Fgamespot%2Fimages%2F2003%2Fscreen0%2F561066_20030926_screen004.jpg&hash=17bccc852987c41ea70a65bc8cb42d3216e17a75)

Not the best quality, but even the wheels in this shot certainly lok more 3D than in GT3.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: ##RaCeR## on September 28, 2003, 04:10:57 AM: Kurt, cobragt already mentioned that very screen accouple of posts up. Read what I said to him.

Best pic I could find...

3D!

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Its not a big deal, would be great if we could get wheels that look like that into the actual game. Judging by that grass section of the vid, we might just be in luck.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Unicron! on September 28, 2003, 04:21:38 AM: I wonder what happens if you run into the crowd.I hope they dont pass inside the car because that would suck.It sucked in WRC2.A lot.Especially in replays with the camera set inside the car.You would seem the pass inside the car as if they were ghosts.
I hope they run away from the car when it gets near them
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: ##RaCeR## on September 28, 2003, 04:26:54 AM: ^^

I would say they will either be behind either invisible or visible barriers or will run away. The rally bit is probably not in game and was probably created just for the trailer, however, IGN have stated that it looks exactly the same in game when your playing.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Unicron! on September 28, 2003, 04:51:32 AM: I hope its not invisible barriers.It will take away from the games realism.

Quote
IGN have stated that it looks exactly the same in game when your playing.

Well that means only one thing: :eek:
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: cobragt on September 28, 2003, 06:06:36 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Unicron!
Perhaps they took the same models they use in the real time scenes, enhanced them a bit and made an FMV.Something similar to what they did with the Tekken4 endings

Maybe but we might have to wait and see, PD still has enough time to get gt4 ready.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: JP on September 29, 2003, 04:22:23 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Unicron!
Perhaps they took the same models they use in the real time scenes, enhanced them a bit and made an FMV.Something similar to what they did with the Tekken4 endings

How can it be CG? A CG movie for every car in the game? Aren\'t there 500+ vehicles in the game? That sounds absurd considering the amount of space that would be needed for that....
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: ##RaCeR## on September 29, 2003, 05:24:04 AM: JP, I think he is meaning purely for the trailer, but I doubt it.

I know that Kurzanaour whateva the hell is name is doesn\'t like to release anything that will mislead the public. I remember seeing an interview where he said he doesn\'t release renders etc and try to pass them off as in game.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: JP on September 29, 2003, 06:08:12 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
JP, I think he is meaning purely for the trailer, but I doubt it.

I know that Kurzanaour whateva the hell is name is doesn\'t like to release anything that will mislead the public. I remember seeing an interview where he said he doesn\'t release renders etc and try to pass them off as in game.

Ah ok, that clears it up then.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Unicron! on September 29, 2003, 06:53:16 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
JP, I think he is meaning purely for the trailer,

Yeah thats what I ment.
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: BeerStud on October 04, 2003, 04:03:51 PM: my jaw dropped.....
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: lionken07 on October 05, 2003, 06:37:02 AM: no that\'s my car@! mine is blue just in that one! but its no WRC hehe...
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: THE EYE on October 05, 2003, 07:26:14 AM: Here are some pictures of the Subaru taken by me on the IAA in Frankfurt... :)
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: THE EYE on October 05, 2003, 07:28:29 AM: and this...
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: Kurt Angle on October 05, 2003, 08:37:08 AM: Danke, The Eye! :D
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: THE EYE on October 05, 2003, 08:17:10 PM: Kein Problem... ;)
Title: Subaru Impreza (GT4)
Post by: JP on October 06, 2003, 04:20:49 AM: Damn I regret not going to the IAA.