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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Bossieman on October 03, 2003, 07:55:22 AM
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It was a while since I have posted here. I have been working and studying stuff.
I think I will start posting more now.
There has been some interesting threads in the forums.
I have some really nice ideas about time and other things but unfortunally all I have written is in swedish. So I cant explain the concept of time in a few lines. (Fastson have you read the book yet?)There was a thread about time and a classical paradox: What happens if you go back in time and kill your grandmother?
This paradox is solved in my book and is very beutiful.
When we talk about time we should be careful. When we talk about time we have to know what time is. Scientist doesnt know what time is and that itself makes the problem harder.
Just a tip for understanding the paradox.
When we say that we turn the time around we imagine that we are not affected by this, just space. That means that my mind still goes in direction from present to future but space itself goes from future to present. That is just impossible. If we change the direction of time we also per definition turn the direction of time in our minds. And from there things gets interesting.......
Open your minds people!! What happens when we take this in to the disscution?
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you make my head hurt.
welcome back! :)
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I used to have this question in my mind.Lets say I decided to go back in time to do something for example lets say.....kill Hitler to prevent WW2.In the present I am now the ww2 is something that never happened.So that means I ve never gone back in time to kill Hitler because I dont have the need to go back in time to Stop WW2.So that means I ve never gone back in time to kill Hitler......If I never went back in time to kill Hitler that means I never killed him.So nobody prevented the WW2 from happening......If the WW2 happened that means I had the reason to go nack in time to kill Hitler and prevent the WW2......and it goes like a never ending story without a biginning or an end.
So what happens here I believe is that you cant get yourself just as you are back in time.Only unconsiously.Perhaps through connecting with the universal mind we call God.And God is everything.light a stone my flesh my blood steel wood.I dont know what to call it.Perhaps "energy"?"Wave"?.Time only defines the state of something(a state of everything that actually is the same thing) and place(and no matter where you stand in the universe you are in the centre of it).Everything is made from the same thing.Going back in time as the universal mind(which is everything) not as a "you", you can change the past.Because the "everything" affects the "everything" which is ofcourse is the same thing.Perhaps the past has changed countless of times but we cant realise it.
Lets say that 10-2-3-1 in bold represent everything before present.And that 8-3-1 is what we see now because of the past. 1 is me and its the reason I want to go to the past and change something.
10-1-2-3=8-3-1
If i change what I want to change then 10-1+1-2-3=8-3.Where is me and my cause to go to the past?It makes no sense.
If I am the universal mind which is God and God is everything then I am the past and the present as well as the future.
I am the 10-3-2-1=8-3-1=4=3+1=5-1=7-3=6-2=10-6=16-12=8-4......
You want to change the past using a negative -6?Or a positive +6?You want to change the past using a negative -4 or a positive +4?
Nothing actually changes.Its allways the same thing.
You cant do whatever you want you are GOD :nut:
I think I ve lost my mind :nut: :nut:
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BTW, if you could ever go back in time, don\'t you think someone already has? Or are we in the present? Is there no future before us to allow for someone to come back to us.
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:laughing: Oh man, it\'s so fitting that the first reply in this thread is CHIZZY saying "you make my head hurt" and his avatar is a picture of a dog taking a crap.
Truly pearls before swine in this forum. :)
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All I gotta say is..
Oh yay..
:rolleyes:
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You\'re spooky.
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Bossieman ownz...
Whenever I need help with my physics homework- expect a call. :D
BTW: Can I ask bossie, what is your opinion on religion? On the truth or fiction of god?
BTW:x2 IM ASKING BOSSIE, NOT EVERYONE ELSE.
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Originally posted by Bossieman
It was a while since I have posted here. I have been working and studying stuff.
I think I will start posting more now.
There has been some interesting threads in the forums.
I have some really nice ideas about time and other things but unfortunally all I have written is in swedish. So I cant explain the concept of time in a few lines. (Fastson have you read the book yet?)There was a thread about time and a classical paradox: What happens if you go back in time and kill your grandmother?
This paradox is solved in my book and is very beutiful.
When we talk about time we should be careful. When we talk about time we have to know what time is. Scientist doesnt know what time is and that itself makes the problem harder.
Just a tip for understanding the paradox.
When we say that we turn the time around we imagine that we are not affected by this, just space. That means that my mind still goes in direction from present to future but space itself goes from future to present. That is just impossible. If we change the direction of time we also per definition turn the direction of time in our minds. And from there things gets interesting.......
Open your minds people!! What happens when we take this in to the disscution?
WHAT?
oh welcome back! :stick:
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Bossie, I\'d love to discuss these matters with you, either here or in private.
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He should stop the habit of posting once or twice and dissapear :D
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There is no past, present, or future. It\'s just where we happen to be at the moment. Time is still there, no matter where we are within it. It\'s like the pebble in the pond. Drop it in and no telling what the ripples will effect but the pond is still there.
Ouch :mecry: , I tried, HEAD HURT NOW. Must have Bud.
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Life is just one big dream...................................
*leaves thread quickly*
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Originally posted by Samwise
Bossie, I\'d love to discuss these matters with you, either here or in private.
Nice!!
I love to change ideas and stuff about questions like this.
What is time in your opinion, is it something physical or is it just a pshychological phenomen, maybe both or something else.
Does time has a direction?
How can we talk about timetravel if we dont have a clue what time actually is.
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Originally posted by Spudz
what is your opinion on religion? On the truth or fiction of god?
I have changed my opinion about religion totally the last year.
Before I can talk about religion I want to talk what religion is for me so you know what the word mean to me.
The word religion is for me a word that describes different ideas and beliefs about the world and the Universe. That means that physics is also a religion IMO. A belief that is supposed to describe and explain the world.
Since I have started my work on my theory, a lot of stuff comes out that is not science today, more philosophy and what most people say is religion. That has changed my view and understanding of what God is and what God means.
God is probably not the same thing for me as it is for U or anyone else. That doesnt mean I am more wrong or right than anyone else. Its all about a personal belief that is right for me.
If I take that and combine that with my other beliefs my view of God becomes something like this:
God is the ultimate understanding of the universe and everything within it.
A simplier way to understand this is to see God as a collection of minds that has reach the ultimate understanding. IMO life is about understanding and evolving your mind to understand and search for the ultimate understanding. IMO opinion it is not impossible to reach this level of understanding. My life is about the search and understanding of the universe. Hopefully I can come close to this.
Religion becomes different version of this search and understanding. IMO the bible is a guideline and a source of knowledge hidden in words to keep the knowlege intact in time.
Religion or anything else is not anymore a question of right or wrong for me. Something can be right for U but not for me. That doesnt mean I think u are wrong. U just see and understand things in a different way.
The same thing for God. Its a belief and the very word God can mean different things for different people but that does not mean that one is more right than someone else.
Hop I have answered your question.
Bossieman
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I agree with Bossieman.Religion and Science are studying the same thing.
The difference is that Religion follows the spiritual approach through enlightenment while Science is following the experimenting and studying approach.The end result is that they are both searching for the same questions and find the same answers.They just interpret things differently but they say the same thing.
Religion is comprised from the latin words Re+Legere=again+merging which means merging with the universe once again.
The word Universe is from the latin words Uni+vertere=One+convert which means converting into one.
We realise God as a all mighty powerfull spirit that created everything.But God is everything.And everything has consiousness.Modern scientists like Henry Stappand and E.H Walker believed that photons might have consiousness.If you pass electricity through an object it responds in some way.
Religion and Science have connections.
Thats what I believe atleast.
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Heres what I believe- since we seem to be stating it.
Bunch of bullshit! Im sure someone is going to try to argue with me :rolleyes:
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what about if someone went back in time, and started ww2
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ummm... ww2 is over koppy.
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Originally posted by Spudz
Heres what I believe- since we seem to be stating it.
Bunch of bullshit! Im sure someone is going to try to argue with me :rolleyes:
Pffff you just suck.The end :D
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Originally posted by kopking
what about if someone went back in time, and started ww2
I hope U wont feel insulted of my respons, that is really not the idea.
When U say someone goes back in time, what does that mean?
Do you mean that the person gets younger and younger=going back in time
Or do you mean that you put your self outside the universe and then turn back universe itself and then put your self back in the universe? If that id the case, I belive we need to change the question to the question about how to put your self outside universe, after that we continiue with the original question.
It is easy to say that someone goes back in time and start WWII, but its not easy to understand what the question really means.
when we talk about going back in time and the paradoxes that appears we talk about solving the paradox, but I belive the actually paradox appears earlier. We just say go back in time and then a paradox appears. But how do we know that there isnt a paradox inside the statement "go back in time" I belive there is a paradox there. (read my first post)
So before we can talk about your question, I belive we have to start with asking us self what does we mean with timetravel?
When we solve that paradox the otherone dissapears.
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I don\'t think you can travel through time, I think things in the pas have happend, and can\'t be changed, things in the future are yet to happen, and cannot be visited....
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
I don\'t think you can travel through time, I think things in the pas have happend, and can\'t be changed
For you it I assume it is meaningless to discuss the problem of solving the paradox about what happens if you kill your own grandmother. For you the problem is in the statemeant of saying "go back in time".
That is exactly what I belive too. We have to disscus the problem earlier. We have to understand and talk about the very statement "go back in time".
If we choose not to we also accept that we can go back in time. And then the paradox appears.
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Well, I do not think the past is a physical place, just memories etc, it is just the moment before the present.... So I just don\'t think it is physically possible to, as you said, change the universe itself.
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Interesting Hamster. I belive that time is not real, just a creation of human minds. It is just a word to describe changes. But IMO time is not a true reality. Universe itself doesnt know what time is. Without humans time would not exist as we are the inventors of time. But many people use the time as it was something real that is conected to universe itself.
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I think time is real, time is the movement from one moment to the next. Time as in, clocks etc, measure that time. History records the past, so yeah, we did "Define" time. But it does exist, we just gave it a name.
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Originally posted by kopking
what about if someone went back in time, and started ww2
Why would you have to go back in time to start WWII when it was started just fine on its own?
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Someone ban kopking for the heck of it. He probably wouldn\'t even notice.
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Maybe I\'ll go back in time and make him a sucker.
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Originally posted by Bossieman
I have changed my opinion about religion totally the last year.
Before I can talk about religion I want to talk what religion is for me so you know what the word mean to me.
The word religion is for me a word that describes different ideas and beliefs about the world and the Universe. That means that physics is also a religion IMO. A belief that is supposed to describe and explain the world.
Since I have started my work on my theory, a lot of stuff comes out that is not science today, more philosophy and what most people say is religion. That has changed my view and understanding of what God is and what God means.
God is probably not the same thing for me as it is for U or anyone else. That doesnt mean I am more wrong or right than anyone else. Its all about a personal belief that is right for me.
If I take that and combine that with my other beliefs my view of God becomes something like this:
God is the ultimate understanding of the universe and everything within it.
A simplier way to understand this is to see God as a collection of minds that has reach the ultimate understanding. IMO life is about understanding and evolving your mind to understand and search for the ultimate understanding. IMO opinion it is not impossible to reach this level of understanding. My life is about the search and understanding of the universe. Hopefully I can come close to this.
Religion becomes different version of this search and understanding. IMO the bible is a guideline and a source of knowledge hidden in words to keep the knowlege intact in time.
Religion or anything else is not anymore a question of right or wrong for me. Something can be right for U but not for me. That doesnt mean I think u are wrong. U just see and understand things in a different way.
The same thing for God. Its a belief and the very word God can mean different things for different people but that does not mean that one is more right than someone else.
Hop I have answered your question.
Bossieman
Isn\'t that the Buddhist goal? To reach deep understanding "enlightment"?
Anyways I read Boss\'s first post and a few after but not all so excuse me if I repeat something someone already said...
IMO there is no such thing as time as we think of it. WE created time. Time to us is the little hands on the clock. That means nothing. We use time to talk about meetings, school, dates etc...But I think that Time is something more than that. Time is not "seconds" or "minutes" is the duration something takes to change. "It\'s the same thing" you say. No it\'s not. Nature doesn\'t have a stop watch to keep "time" when decaying something. It\'s something that just happens. When it hits that point. Like Boss said TIME is just a word used describe changes. The universe wasn\'t created over "time". It created when it wanted too....GRR nvm I can\'t explain it.
If someone did go back to the past. I don\'t think they would "know" that they went back to the past. Like Boss said...well hopefully he meant that we can\'t go back in time with our brain "knowing" that we did. If we go back to kill someone, when we get there, we are not going to "know" to kill that person. In fact we\'ll probably "know" there is nothing wrong. Like if we take a computer from now to 1966. That means everything that happened from that year forward actually never happened. That is until we hit the future..if there is such a thing..grr im confused again.
People have a real hard time explaining what they believe "choice" is. Especially the religious people(christians mostly). How can we have a choice if God already knows were going to make that choice. Now, i\'ve talked about this plenty of times with people but I still get no real response. If God knows what were going to do, since God is never wrong, then how can we have a choice?
I know thats out of nowhere but hey I was just wondering...
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Grrr, I came in too late. Most of what I wanted to say has already been said.
But yeah, I also believe time does not exist (or rather, there is no past and no future - only now). The past is all in our minds, and the future is just a concept of what will happen.
For the sake of argument, let\'s say it\'s possible for me to go back in time - to 1 year ago. Either:
1) I would be one year younger, or
2) I would be the same age as \'now\', just \'put\' in the world 1 year ago
Wouldn\'t it be impossible for information to travel back in time? I.e. when arriving I wouldn\'t know it\'s the \'past\' and I wouldn\'t know how I got there, or why. It would just be \'now\' and whatever goal I had in mind before I left, would be forgotten. But of course, all this assumes it is even possible to travel back in time. It\'s truely a can of worms.