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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Paul on October 14, 2003, 05:05:21 PM
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Did i beat everyone else to it? Hee-hee.
Just has about 1 hour+ of hands on with Jak II last night....here\'s the initial impression:
(1) Graphics - polygon counts are upped although i don\'t think it makes such a difference. However, the bad news is, frame rates is down. Whereas Jak 1 has most of the time keeps to 60fps. There is some strange "tearing" effect that occurs very frequently. (Tearing is the effect of the frame rates not sync to the vertical retrace rate )...i suppose NDog needs to squeeze every frame rates available and turns the Vsync off...Still, it\'s not a very noticeable lag, but just don\'t expect Jak 1 smooth. Texture isn\'t very detail or amazing but it makes up by being pretty varied and it\'s decent enough and saved from being bland.
(2) Gameplay - the reviews were right, it plays a bit like GTA wheares you have to keep going across the town to the person who gives you a mission and to ur destination point after you\'ve received the mission instructions. I think this is the greatest downpoint of the game. The City of haven seems to serve no purpose other than transition area to move from mission briefing=>target=>mission briefieng. Imagine it as one big Warp Room. The problem is, when u get a car to go from one place to another it\'s very easy to bump into other cars or kill civillians. Once you\'ve done that the soldiers will be after you. It was fun the first few mission, but I don\'t think I\'ll like it when I\'m going for mission number 20....
(3) Overall - overall, i\'m quite dissapointed by Jak II. I personally feels it should have stick to the same concept of the prequel....now it\'s seems like neither a platform game, an action game or GTA......
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Boo. Stop youre breaking my heart. I had high hopes for this one. Guess ill just have to rent it myself. I always did hate reviews other than my own.
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ign said it was 60 fps...
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Well it did managed 60fps MOST OF THE TIME...but there are many areas especially when you swing the camera, the tearing effect will come into place....you\'ll know it when you sees it.
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This game is getting AWESOME reviews, I am definately picking it up later on during the week.
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the tearing is very noticable, at least in the city. Everywhere else, you\'ll hardly find any and are met with a very constant 60 fps framerate. The tearing is also absent in indoor-levels.
Still, not sure if I love it or hate it.... I\'m enjoying it though, so that\'s a good sign. (by the way, weapons are a blast)! And no, you didn\'t beat me to the punch! I got the game yesterday at 4 o\'clock p.m. (14th). :D
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Originally posted by seven
the tearing is very noticable, at least in the city. Everywhere else, you\'ll hardly find any and are met with a very constant 60 fps framerate. The tearing is also absent in indoor-levels.
Still, not sure if I love it or hate it.... I\'m enjoying it though, so that\'s a good sign. (by the way, weapons are a blast)! And no, you didn\'t beat me to the punch! I got the game yesterday at 4 o\'clock p.m. (14th). :D
Oh yeah??? But i post first impressions here FIRST. Nyah! Nyah!!:laughing:
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Oh yeah???
Well I got the demo last month. Nyah Nyah!!:laughing:
Wait a moment................demo =
Ok you win!!!:D
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i dont care about this little tearing issue... im buying this game asap!
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like Kurt i too have played the demo, still trying to decide to get this...
Or Ratchet & Clank 2 Going Commando/ Lock and loaded.
In round one I found that
Ratchet and Clank 1 was >>>>>>>>> than Jak 1
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i never played rc1..... but its abit unfair to judge tem on how there sequels where, esp as rc was oput after, there fore technology had moved on a bit, so it is more likely it would be better, if that makes sense
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Originally posted by ooseven
like Kurt i too have played the demo, still trying to decide to get this...
Or Ratchet & Clank 2 Going Commando/ Lock and loaded.
In round one I found that
Ratchet and Clank 1 was >>>>>>>>> than Jak 1
I love both Jak 1 and RC 1, they\'re equally fantastic in their own terms. But i had feeling I\'m going to like RC2 a lot more than Jak 2...
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True, some tearing is there, because of the framerate drops, but that\'s because the game has to render basically 2x as many pixels as the previous game, as this time it uses the full front framebuffer, which allows for MUCH better image quality compared to J&D and also allows for progressive scan support.
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I also liked RC better than J&D but Jak II looks to be a good one.
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Marconelly:
I\'d give up pro scan support in favour of a better framerate. :(
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I\'ve played both the Jak 2 and R&C 2 demos and Its safe to say,I\'m getting both.
the annoying level on the J2 demo were you were on that hoverboard was frustrating!
But the R&C 2 demo is massive and there are four,yes FOUR!playble levels!
R&C 2 for me hasn\'t changed much but if it ain\'t broken then why fix it?
I\'m eagerly awaiting both.
I\'m picking up my Pro Evolution Soccer 3 and Jak 2:Renegade tomorrow.
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I love this game.. Soo much better than the first and sooo much more fun than R&C (btw, did you see the Ratchet and Clank poster in the city? ;) ).
The city is fricking HUGE, it feels bigger than Vice City, plus its very detailed (unlike Liberty and Vice City).. Jump off your hovercraft and just look around, soo much detail for such a huge city. Must have taken them ages to do everything.
I nominate this game as best looking game of the year (on Consoles) and best game of the year so far (along with Freedom Fighters).
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gt the demo in work today or jak 2, but left it at work... damn
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I haven\'t been here in awhile, but due to Jak II being released, I wanted to come here and check out some feedback on this game.
I made the mistake of not doing more research on TR:AOD and thinking they may have actually made the game better for the PS2. Needless to say, I will probably trade that in toward my purchase of Jak II if I pick it up in the next couple of days.
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I\'ve only put an hour on it...my excitement for the game has been drop kicked but not completely gone.
The graphics, IMO, look the same. There seems to be way more going on but overall it doesn\'t look any different (good thing:))
The controls (my favorite part) have been pleasant...I haven\'t been introduced to weapons but so far I\'m satisfied.
The gameplay is definitely lacking this early on...tracking all over that damn city just to be told where to go next (which is usually on the other side of town) is annoying. It\'s just not flowing very well...
The humor makes up for it though. When Daxter said "peeps are gonna get deep-sixed" I put a smile back on my face and kept playing.
Since the game garnered such rave reviews I\'m certain the entertainment level will pick up soon and I\'ll come back in here shouting how I can\'t get enough of it:)
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Originally posted by Ginko
I\'ve only put an hour on it...my excitement for the game has been drop kicked but not completely gone.
The graphics, IMO, look the same. There seems to be way more going on but overall it doesn\'t look any different (good thing:))
The controls (my favorite part) have been pleasant...I haven\'t been introduced to weapons but so far I\'m satisfied.
The gameplay is definitely lacking this early on...tracking all over that damn city just to be told where to go next (which is usually on the other side of town) is annoying. It\'s just not flowing very well...
The humor makes up for it though. When Daxter said "peeps are gonna get deep-sixed" I put a smile back on my face and kept playing.
Since the game garnered such rave reviews I\'m certain the entertainment level will pick up soon and I\'ll come back in here shouting how I can\'t get enough of it:)
Just wait \'til you get the gun. It makes it much better. Although it is true that the game can get annoying at times with all the running to and fro in the huge city and the sometimes too hard missions.
But still a great game.
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Just played my first couple of hours of Jak II and I aree with your comments.
I\'m no fan of GTA, and am a little dissapointed that NaughtyDog have gone down this route. The City is as you said annoying, and acts as a portal to places outside the city where you complete missions. Saying that I\'ve only done six missions so maybe the city will be used a bit more later on in the game. I avoid the zoomers and walk to the missions, slow but you don\'t get bothered by characters attacking you.
One little difference with the characters that you interact with I noticed is that when they speak to them they say exactly the same thing over and over again. In Jak I, the 2nd time and subsequent times you talked to a character you wouldn\'t go through the original speech the character delivers.
One annoying thing I have found is that when using the left directional stick on my pad, it\'s easy to press the L3 button and up pops your current health etc. Maybe it is just my pad but it is annoying.
I don\'t notice any frame rate issues cos I\'ve not got a decent enough TV anyway so I\'m always playing at a low refresh rate.
So far the first six levels are a sinch, so I\'m hoping for a bit more difficulty very soon.
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Originally posted by fastson
I love this game.. Soo much better than the first and sooo much more fun than R&C (btw, did you see the Ratchet and Clank poster in the city? ;) ).
The city is fricking HUGE, it feels bigger than Vice City, plus its very detailed (unlike Liberty and Vice City).. Jump off your hovercraft and just look around, soo much detail for such a huge city. Must have taken them ages to do everything.
I nominate this game as best looking game of the year (on Consoles) and best game of the year so far (along with Freedom Fighters).
As a fellow Jak and Ps2 fanatic, I\'ll take your word fastson. Ill rent it first though. Ill see for myself but i just cant imagine this one going downhill. To each his own but i will form my own opinions soon enough.
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Originally posted by spangles
I avoid the zoomers and walk to the missions, slow but you don\'t get bothered by characters attacking you.
So far the first six levels are a sinch, so I\'m hoping for a bit more difficulty very soon.
I advice you to use the vehicles. It\'s much faster, so there\'s less annoyance. And besides you\'ll need the practice for later when you have to cross a really long distance in 3 minutes.
And it gets harder, much harder.
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I picked it up, but I\'m going to finish viewitful Joe before starting Jak II.
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Originally posted by alienmagic
I haven\'t been here in awhile, but due to Jak II being released, I wanted to come here and check out some feedback on this game.
I made the mistake of not doing more research on TR:AOD and thinking they may have actually made the game better for the PS2. Needless to say, I will probably trade that in toward my purchase of Jak II if I pick it up in the next couple of days.
You bought AOD???? Bwah!! Haaaa! Haaaaaa!!!! Oopppss...sorry for the sarcasm...but even PACMAN is better than AOD!!!
Better quickly exchange it for almost ANYTHING!!! :laughing:
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Okay, I\'m a little over 3 hours in and I\'m still not thrilled with it. The timed missions are the most annoying I\'ve encountered in a game...there\'s too many of them and they cut the time way too close. Trial and Error does not equal fun:mad:
I\'m still having to go clear across town to get to my next objective...the city is no more easy to navigate even a few hours in. Besides the different sectors, it mostly looks the same making the task of memorization a tad difficult.
Stupid crap like the hover board course was not even fun, building up speed then having to pull off stunts requires more thought than it should making the mission a bore, not to mention annoying.
Making it from the fat man to the stadium in under 3 minutes was the worst part of the game yet.
It sounds like I\'m complaining...I really am. Besides the same control scheme, this is not like the original game. Jak and Daxter was easy going which made it a joy to play...not to mention it flowed rather well.
It\'s like they tried to make the game more mature...which is apparent due to the weapons, sexual innuendo, and harsh conversations. ("I\'m going to kill you.", "I should have had you both knee-capped...", "Remind me never to piss you off." or how about Daxter getting drunk after he looks down the shirt of one of the female characters.)
On the bright side, the sub-level play has been a blast. The sewer, the water plant, wasteland...all fun, including the objectives needing to be completed. They just screwed up on the over-world, IMO.
At this point I wish I would have just rented, however I bought it so I\'m going to keep playing just to finish it...I\'m just not excited like I hoped I would be which means I won\'t be compeled to collect everything like the original. (sigh)
I need a good platform game so here\'s hoping Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando turns out to be a worthy successor.
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Ginko:
I feel with you. Your post pretty much sums up what I\'ve been feeling the first 5 hours - or until getting to the stadium. After having roughly over 40% of the game, I think I\'m beginning to love it. The city is still quite an annoyance, but I\'m quite good at finding my way through it by now and the guards aren\'t really a problem anymore. Missions which you have to guard someone through the city are still very challenging though, but the use of weapons makes up for it. I love the fact that you can just press the R1 button to fire a shot - much better than in Ratchet & Clank. This makes it especially easy to fire and jump at the same time or the combos with kick etc.
The hooverboard which you get later on in the game is certainly a blast, especially the fact that you can just use it anywhere you want. If Ratchet & Clank does something like this, I\'m sold (I remember those magnetic boots.. imagine using them anywhere in the game!!). Anyway, back to Jak II - the hooverboard is a blast in many areas. The missions have been okay so far, ranging from annoying to excellent fun experiences. The difficulty is great - though sometimes it\'s hard not to get frustrated when redoing it the 20ieth time (I think I died about 30 times with the mission if the metalhead eggs). Anyway, I miss the old atmosphere of the first part, but quite enjoy the outskirt missions and the gun implementation of this one. I\'m still at just over 40% of the game, so there\'s still lots of things to find out, let alone the fact that I didn\'t even pay that much attention to the city itself yet, which is probably due that I was always hurying to get from A to B for the next mission objective. Perhaps at the moment, I wish Naughty Dog would have made the city smaller and the outskirt areas bigger - then again, I don\'t know what\'s coming though, so I might change my mind once it does and I take a closer look to it.
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Ginko: It may take a while (4 or 5 hours for me), but you\'ll eventually love the game. Or at least like it a lot more than you do now.
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I just remembered that I HATED Kingdom Hearts until I was a good 5-6 hours in. I ended up loving that game and putting over 30 hours on it.
Alright, I\'ll hold off any more opinions until I\'m a little further in.
Perhaps at the moment, I wish Naughty Dog would have made the city smaller and the outskirt areas bigger - then again, I don\'t know what\'s coming though, so I might change my mind once it does and I take a closer look to it.
I think a better approach would have been to get the player to know one sector at a time. Give the player a couple hours worth of objectives in one area...then perhaps I wouldn\'t be so dependant on the damn map.
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Originally posted by Paul
You bought AOD???? Bwah!! Haaaa! Haaaaaa!!!! Oopppss...sorry for the sarcasm...but even PACMAN is better than AOD!!!
Better quickly exchange it for almost ANYTHING!!! :laughing:
Yeah, and I really should have known better. I was a big fan of the first Tomb Raider and haven\'t liked any since then, and I just decided to give the PS2 TR a try anyway. I will be trading it in this afternoon. Luckily I bought it used at Blockbuster for $19.99.
Back to Jak II, sounds like the frustration level is pretty high, but enjoyable eventually. I may rent it first after reading some of this. I was really looking forward to this game.
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damnit, I LOVE THIS GAME!
Though I am just at a mission that is insane hard (I already died over 30 times and still not getting better!))!!!!!!
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Alright guys...I have reached the point where I\'m enjoying the game. I\'m 46% in and I\'m loving the weapons, however I wish it would revert back to normal fighting every now and then. The hover board is groovy.
I\'m still not sold on the humongous world, I think it was just a way to add a few hours on to the gameplay.:rolleyes:
My favorite missions so far are the metalhead hunt in the forest and the mission where you free the lurkers and take them to a drop point.
[sp]I also LOVED the fight with the Baron. Jak and Daxter\'s end boss fight is my favorite of all time...I\'m hoping this game trumps it. We\'ll see:)[/sp]
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I can\'t bear to play this game anymore, just hate it the more I play it... ....I\'m going back to some good ole fashion nuking in C&C:ZeroHours...
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Damn you Ginko!
I\'ve been playing like non-stop, yet it seems you overtook me. I\'m just at 50% with over 15 hours stacked in...
SPOILER!!!!
At the mission where you have destroy 5 killships (or whatever they\'re called), I spent like over 40 attempts and about 4 hours! Anyway, my favorite mission so far is the one with the bombs and the hooverboard! Just love it!
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Holy crap I can\'t put this freakin game down:p
Ginko, I\'ll admit that its frustrating, but its not impossible. I\'m only five hours into the game- escorting a kid through the city, but this game is sweet! This frame rate droping issue is not really annoying, the graphics are amazing.
It\'s also really cool that you can take the hover board anywhere and go out of the city tons of times. I gotta admit it, at first I was alittle upset about the game \'cause it was so hard, but now I can\'t get enough of it. You just need to take different approaches to the missions if you fail.:)
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Originally posted by seven
Damn you Ginko!
I\'ve been playing like non-stop, yet it seems you overtook me. I\'m just at 50% with over 15 hours stacked in...
SPOILER!!!!
At the mission where you have destroy 5 killships (or whatever they\'re called), I spent like over 40 attempts and about 4 hours! Anyway, my favorite mission so far is the one with the bombs and the hooverboard! Just love it!
Those STUPID hellcats. I\'m now at 67% and 12 hours. If it weren\'t for the multiple retries and traversing across the city every objective then it would probably be more 6-8 hours. IMO, a cheap way to make the game "longer".
The bomb the wells mission was quite fun.:)
SPOILER!!! The Tomb of Mau is my favorite level so far...it\'s exactly what I was looking for in this game. The second fight with the Baron is also kick ass. Going back in the palace is not!! I\'m frustrated!!
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the first encounter with the baron drove me crazy (with the fire tornados) is the second fight really really hard or just plain hard cause with this game its either one or the other :lol:
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I died about 4 or 5 times fighting him the first time, same amount the second. (Actually the game locked up on me when I delivered the final hit...I wasn\'t all that angry because the fight was actually fun and not nearly as hard as some of the missions.)
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alright, I need help and I\'m really close to frustration now.
SPOILER (only for those that are past the tomb of mar)
How do the bug thing so that I can open the door? I know I have to touch them in a way that they don\'t explode and I have gotten past the first room - but damn, I just can\'t get 3 bugs to open the second room for me (or if I do, I\'m already half dead). Advice, please? Ginko? HELP!!!! :crying:
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When you step on the on the switch you notice that all the bugs land on their back side. There are three with jewels on their belly.
When the bugs drop in get a quick look at the area the three jewel bugs are in. Got it? Good...now quickly focus on the two that drop on the northwest side of the room. Don\'t even take your eyes off them. Just navigate Jak towards them trying your hardest to keep an eye on the both of them. Hit them without spin kicking/punching any other bugs around them.
Now for the third...this bug likes to hang out in the group of bugs on the east side.
This may take you a few tries but I managed to get all three without a mistake by my 6th or 7th try.
Don\'t worry about touching the bugs, they don\'t hurt you. Just be sure not to attack anything but the jewel beetles.
Good Luck:)
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ah thanks a lot. I didn\'t even notice that 3 of them have a jewel on them. I found a good way actually... simply use the hoverboard spin until all are gone (hard way)... lol
thank you so much!
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No problem:D
I did the exact same thing of not noticing the jewels. You\'ll also be glad to know that the game gets a little more enjoyable from here on out...or as far as I\'ve gotten. The missions still have a few cheap tricks but it\'s mostly starting to even out.