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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: theomen on October 18, 2003, 05:11:22 PM
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Stay out of the age thread with your religion crap. And by the way, religion is a sham.
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Religion isn\'t a scam, organized religion is a scam.
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good correction, I made a slip up. You get a cookie, and a sip of communion wine.
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*gets drunk off communion wine and streaks in the church*
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Yay
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Erm, well you beat me to it omen, I was gonna make a thread like this but decided not to.
Anyway; my idea of religion is simple.
God isnt real, Jesus isnt real, nothing like that is real. It was created as some story to make children behave, and people to follow order and classification. It was made so it seems like someone else is in a higher power, so we arent in total control of our lives.
I believe in science, the theory of evolution is actually considered almost a law now a days. If you think about it; do you think some guy is sitting in a toga in the clouds, zapping people, and creating lifeforms?
I mean, honestly; how can some guy seperate a body of water? Walk across water? Come back to life? All the things in the bible have never happened before. If "god" is so real, why doesnt he prove it? He has the power you say, why doesnt he enforce; Jesus said that God was real, they didnt believe him and were punished. Well why doesnt he do the same? And dont say some bullshit like "He doesnt want to\'\'.
You think that with the complexity of lifeforms on earth that some guy just made it in a poof?
What about adam and eve. if their were 2 people on the earth, every single one of us would have so many unnatural deformities from inbreeding it wouldnt be funny. When siblings produce children again and again, they become deformed.
And for all I care, you can think less or more of what I think. I just think about the truth. I dont care if you believe in God, because thats what its meant for; to be oblivious to the truth, but dont shove it down my throat.
Amen. ;)
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you gotta be kidding.. Who\'s shoving what down who\'s throat?
teeheeheheheheheheheheheheheeeeeeeeeeeee
ps- I\'m a Christian and I\'ve been told so many times on this forum my God doesn\'t exist but you don\'t see me retaliating making a 4 paragraph post about it. Just keep your religious/anti-religious thoughts to yourself plz, we all really couldn\'t care less.
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Generally, people that dont belive in god THINK they are smarter than people that do.
Dont know whether you belive this or not. Just something ive read.
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Originally posted by Spudz
I believe in science, the theory of evolution is actually considered almost a law now a days. If you think about it; do you think some guy is sitting in a toga in the clouds, zapping people, and creating lifeforms?
I mean, honestly; how can some guy seperate a body of water? Walk across water? Come back to life? All the things in the bible have never happened before. If "god" is so real, why doesnt he prove it? He has the power you say, why doesnt he enforce; Jesus said that God was real, they didnt believe him and were punished. Well why doesnt he do the same? And dont say some bullshit like "He doesnt want to\'\'.
You think that with the complexity of lifeforms on earth that some guy just made it in a poof?
What about adam and eve. if their were 2 people on the earth, every single one of us would have so many unnatural deformities from inbreeding it wouldnt be funny. When siblings produce children again and again, they become deformed.
ok
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God is not in a cloud zapping people, if you knew a mustard seed about what God is doing now you wouldnt say that. Please, turn off the cartoons
Seperation of a body of water? Just like what an angel said "Is anything really impossible for God?" If you believe he created the Universe, and is responsible for the "dark energy" scientists are now finding out about, splitting a puny river is nothing.
Who said God made all life forms in a poof? I never read that in the bible
Scientists say humans came from a couple in Africa. They say they found the oldest bones there, dont you believe them?
Why doesnt God show he is real? Well until some 130 years ago pretty much everyone believed in God. There is no reason for God to reveal himself, yet. He doesnt interfere unless somebody gets in the way of his will. Soon enough, though, you will have to know that there is a God. Jesus came to earth and fed 3,000 people with a couple of fish and bread. Yet the same people who ate from him said later "What are you doing as a sign that we know you are the messiah?" If an angel revealed himself to people that wouldnt change everybody. It didnt change the priests who killed Jesus. A guard saw an angel remove Jesus\' tomb stone, told the priests and they told him to tell no one. Look God gave us the bible. That is all we need right now. If you read the bible and tried to live by the way it tells you to you would know that there is a God. Just look at all the lives the bible has changed.
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"God is a cavaliers fan" :laughing:
God I love that commercial.
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Sadly, God has been reduced to "the man upstairs"
Truly sad...and after pulling away from God so much people actually wonder why there is so much suffering in the world...
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Me personally am not sure exactly what i belive in. I would love to belive there is a god but there are certain things that sway me. Anyway, i do know that scientists have said that it is very probable that human beginings did start in Africa. I do not remmember them stating they found a couple to be the oldest. Not only that but there may be more in Africa that belong to the same time period so it is hard to belive that the lives of THE two oldest bone structures were intertwined.
One thing: knowing that the bible is very old it is very hard to deny that such writing could have been written so flawlessly. Not saying that it is the most profound example of writing but it is still very sophisticated IF it was written so long ago and NOT changed. The chances of sombody of that day writing something of the bibles caliber is not that high suggesting that either it is true or that it has been changed.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
One thing: knowing that the bible is very old it is very hard to deny that such writing could have been written so flawlessly. Not saying that it is the most profound example of writing but it is still very sophisticated IF it was written so long ago and NOT changed. The chances of sombody of that day writing something of the bibles caliber is not that high suggesting that either it is true or that it has been changed.
the dead sea scrolls had isaiah and there wasnt much a difference between the original and the king james version except for some grammer changers, so skeptism that the bible has changed can be induced but its not complete
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Man I didn\'t wanna get indepth, but the ol\' intuition is gnawin\' at me....
Originally posted by Spudz
God isnt real, Jesus isnt real, nothing like that is real. It was created as some story to make children behave, and people to follow order and classification. It was made so it seems like someone else is in a higher power, so we arent in total control of our lives.
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There\'s plenty of historical evidence (documentions, artifacts, etc.) which proove Jesus DID exist. If you think about it Jesus wasn\'t here that long ago, 2000 years, it\'s wasn\'t exactly the stone age. There\'s plenty of paintings and murals buddy, I don\'t know where you have been, maybe information doesn\'t reach that far up North?
Originally posted by Spudz
I believe in science, the theory of evolution is actually considered almost a law now a days. If you think about it; do you think some guy is sitting in a toga in the clouds, zapping people, and creating lifeforms?
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A law only according to those who believe in it. And if that is you\'re depiction of God, then you know a lot less than I originally had thought. alliswell hit it on the head, "turn off the cartoons."
Originally posted by Spudz
I mean, honestly; how can some guy seperate a body of water? Walk across water? Come back to life? All the things in the bible have never happened before. If "god" is so real, why doesnt he prove it? He has the power you say, why doesnt he enforce; Jesus said that God was real, they didnt believe him and were punished. Well why doesnt he do the same? And dont say some bullshit like "He doesnt want to\'\'.
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Jesus, son of God, could do anything God wanted him to do. If you have a part of God with you, why wouldn\'t you be able to part water, heal the sick, and be resurrected? God is a supreme being, he can do whatever he wants, it\'s not a difficult concept. Oh and why should he have to prove to a faithless world that he exists? That defeats the whole purpose of faith buddy. It\'s like, "Hey, look at me, I\'m God! See I\'m here, so if you didn\'t believe before, now you should!". He gives us the choice to reject or accept him. Seriously, it\'s so simple.
Originally posted by Spudz
You think that with the complexity of lifeforms on earth that some guy just made it in a poof?
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He\'s God! What are you so confused about?!?! He has the ability to do anything.. Oh and it wasn\'t one poof, it was seven days. And the complexity is from your perspective, not God\'s.
Originally posted by Spudz
What about adam and eve. if their were 2 people on the earth, every single one of us would have so many unnatural deformities from inbreeding it wouldnt be funny. When siblings produce children again and again, they become deformed.
You\'ve got to be kidding me. Are you serious? After even a short period of time the bloodlines stretch out so far that it\'s hardly inbreeding anymore. It\'s a giant pyramid scheme in which with each generation is gets further and further apart... Don\'t forget when God flooded the world and basically started on a clean slate (with the exception of Noah).
Originally posted by Spudz
And for all I care, you can think less or more of what I think. I just think about the truth. I dont care if you believe in God, because thats what its meant for; to be oblivious to the truth, but dont shove it down my throat.
Amen. ;)
You wouldn\'t know truth if it slapped you in your face. Exactly tell me how your beliefs are more of a "truth" than mine?
Point is, you can\'t. As I can\'t disprove yours. I have my faith, and that\'s all I need.
Amen.
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He doesnt interfere unless somebody gets in the way of his will.
If this is true then what sort of interferance does there need to be? A very large group of human beings are doubting religion and more and more youths are growing in a society where it is almost cool not to believe in god. That is quite the act but if there is a god i guess its not that detrimental to the rest of mankind.
Its just hard for me to belive that we just perish, mind and all when we die. That is if science is true and there is no meaning of life and that life was just created on accident. But then there is always the question of where did the big bang come from and where did god come from.
Sometimes i think it is almost rational to belive that we are apart of something bigger. Just a partical in a larger body. It goes the opposite way as well. We can magnify something so much but has it been discovered yet that there is nothing beyond what we have discovered? No body knows.
Interesting thus far. At least its not obnoxious... yet
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I\'ve always believed in a higher power, even before I really knew who God was. The idea of space just "being here" was too weak of a philosophy for me. The idea of "life" also seemed more significant than, "live and die, the end". I guess that what it truly comes down, one\'s philosophical views on life. You can view it as something beautiful, or a scientific cycle.
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Originally posted by Spudz
Erm, well you beat me to it omen, I was gonna make a thread like this but decided not to.
Anyway; my idea of religion is simple..........
Biggest pile of dogpoo ever!
Think about the truth? What is truth? You don\'t know what you are talking about till you go to college and take philosophy. :laughing:
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Originally posted by alliswell
Truly sad...and after pulling away from God so much people actually wonder why there is so much suffering in the world...
Actually during the times of some the most religious fervor (The middle ages), there was a lot of suffering. That\'s a hell of a broad statement alliswell.
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You can view it as something beautiful, or a scientific cycle.
A scientific cycle can be beautiful, beauty of course is in the eye of the beholder... on some levels atleast.
The world is very complex, so is the universe. Life is very confusing, but we do have Math and Science, I mean it\'s all very simple. 1+1=2 and that cannot be changed.
Gravity is constant, so a river cannot split.
Adam and eve "appearing":
Matter cannot appear....
Which creates the only thing that has any crediblity to a "God" argument, how did the universe begin, if matter cannot appear.
Now this would leave two possibilities:
1. Matter has always been.
2. Matter was created.
1. if matter has always been, there is no "Beginning" and no "End" just changes. There is no possible way to understand this untill we figure out exactly what causes the universe to act the way it does.
2. If matter was created, it would have to be created by "something" now this could be a natural occourance that has yet to be understood, or perhaps some sort of higher power.
So, thats basically my input.... None of us have the absolute truth, but I believe that everything happens because it has to, and that everything eventualy comes down to basic math...
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There\'s always suffering. Period.
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Well here\'s my take on the subject.
I don\'t believe in a god, I do believe that Jesus was a cool guy that was unfortunetly sentenced to death from the second he was born thanks to people labeling him their savoir. In my eye\'s the anglo religions have no more merit to them than Greek and Roman religions, which are now refered to as mythologie\'s because people think that they have been debunked and are of the past. I guess Zeus was a figment of people\'s imaginations, while God is the real deal, it\'s a shame they wasted all those years worshiping greek dieties.
The idea of an ominipotent being is hard for me to swallow as it\'s a much to easily explained thing. You ask any question and it can be answered by "god can do anything". Also they never answer the questions about where he came from, why he\'s so powerful why would he create humans in his own image even when the human form is one of the least usefull and durable. Wouldn\'t it have been easier just to plant the human brain in a sturdier more duriable platform?
As for organized religion.... It\'s a plague upon the Earth, if money is the root of all evil, then what the hell is organized religion? More wars were started thanks to religion than money could ever claim responsibility for. It\'s like in Dogma, it\'s better to have ideas than beliefs, ideas can be changed but people will die for beliefs.
I have a friend who has recently joined, what I think is basically a Christian Cult, She flew over to Texas, is on a large compound where they only eat Oatmeal and chicken, wake up at 5am, run without eating first, run until they\'re boarder line hollucinating so that "they can be closer to jesus". Then they spend their day in religion classes learning to be better soldiers of God, then finally get to sleep about 1-2am. This kind of shit needs to be stopped, I know this is the extreme, but it\'s an example of how insane people can get over organized religion.
On another note. Organized religion is far too often used as a crutch by the stupid and lazy. I\'ve heard more people complain about things and then say "If Jesus want\'s the situation to change, he\'ll change it". Have these people ever thought about doing something for themselves? If God is real, he\'s a freak\'n diety, not a genie!
Ok, end of my rant. In closing, don\'t believe in God but am cool with those who do and don\'t shove it down my throat, and I will show the same curtiousy. Don\'t like organized religion, think it\'s an insult to what ever god is being worshipped and is used far too often as a tool to gain power, create viable excuses, provide meaning to an unmeaningful life, and fill emptiness.
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Yes, organized religion is bad....
I think the bibile is a good story somewhat.... What jesus is all about is true, to love your people, share food, share money etc.
But he didn\'t have special powers, he was just a good man...
And the bibles rules and laws = BS.
and the old testimant shouldnt even exist in the christian bible.
Edit: (been thinking more)
What makes god, god? is it the ability to have super powers?
We are all god, super powers does not make something god. if god is god just because god can make and destroy, why worship him at all... what makes him better then any of us.
God flooded the earth killing most people, what happended to the forgiveness of sins?
Basically my point is, we are all what god is, I think people believe in god because they are afraid to believe in themselves...
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Here is what I want all religious people to ask themselves, especially alliswell(clowd :tongue:) :
How are you sure that your religion is the right one? The logic behind "blind faith" is dumb. It would be like spinning a bottle and saying "ok, I\'ll take this one" and convincing yourself it is true. If Jesus walked on water, how can you say Muhhamed\'s head didn\'t light on fire for days and float into heaven?
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[size=20]FAITH[/size]
That answers any question.
I win.
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^^ when you say it like that, it isn\'t FAITH. It\'s BLIND FAITH. Which is unfortunately why people do so much wrong with religion.
I\'m agnostic - I have faith, but I don\'t follow or practice ANY religion. I came to the determination that GOD exists, but he doesn\'t affect me or my life in any significant way, other than the fact that I owe the universe to him.
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here\'s another question;
Is God just the acullmination of the people\'s power of prayer? If enough human minds were projecting in the same manner, could it manifest itself in what we may think of as God?
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I actually try to stay as far away from these threads as possible, but there are some things I just can\'t ignore being said here.
I mean, honestly; how can some guy seperate a body of water? Walk across water? Come back to life? All the things in the bible have never happened before. If "god" is so real, why doesnt he prove it? He has the power you say, why doesnt he enforce; Jesus said that God was real, they didnt believe him and were punished. Well why doesnt he do the same? And dont say some bullshit like "He doesnt want to\'\'.
The one thing God supposedly gave man, the greatest thing any of us have by definition, is choice -- free will. Because we have this wonderful little thing, God doesn\'t need to do anymore then "he" has already supposedly done. It\'s your choice to believe or not to believe. It\'s your choice to rape 250 girls in 56 countries or to murder 458 people in 26 states, or to pick up a weapon and defend starving people from those who would keep them starving as a form of control, or to actually go out to a homeless shelter and hand your paycheck over to them and wish them a Merry Christmas or to simply work in an office day in and day out providing for yourself and your family. It\'s your choice. So long as it is, there\'s no reason for God to intervene or prove anything. You choose to accept it or not.
Truly sad...and after pulling away from God so much people actually wonder why there is so much suffering in the world...
This was something that actually made me scream out "What the F*CK?!" when I read it at my desk. By saying this, you have basically disqualified yourself and your opinion from this thread entirely (just as you have done before on multiple occasions). This should be common f*cking knowledge, but more people have been killed in the name of religion then any other cause in all of human history. Now, we\'ve killed a whole lot of people in the name of territory and freedom and civil liberties, in the hundreds of millions if I\'m not mistaken, but it doesn\'t even come CLOSE to the number of deaths directly related to religious beliefs.
One last thing, if we\'re going to get all accusatory about why there is suffering in the world, just be sure that you\'re blaming the right things for the right reasons because your attitude is exactly why the crusades were fought and look where that got everyone. It can be argued that if England lost that "little" war, Islam, not Christianity, would be the biggest religion on Earth.
On another note. Organized religion is far too often used as a crutch by the stupid and lazy. I\'ve heard more people complain about things and then say "If Jesus want\'s the situation to change, he\'ll change it". Have these people ever thought about doing something for themselves? If God is real, he\'s a freak\'n diety, not a genie!
Here here! Very well said, sir! God is not a problem solver and God is not to blame for people being lazy. It\'s not God\'s will if you weigh 400 pounds and stay home eating cheetos all day while watching Looney Toons. It\'s not God\'s will if you get a flat tire in the middile of the highway on the way to some super important meeting and you don\'t have a spare in the trunk because you procrastinated picking it up for so long. Life is tough, but it\'s definitely not God\'s fault.
I\'m 100% positive God is sick of all the f*cking pricks out there who yell out "Why God, Why?" when their mundane stupid little lives are interrupted by something so incredibly trivial.
How are you sure that your religion is the right one? The logic behind "blind faith" is dumb. It would be like spinning a bottle and saying "ok, I\'ll take this one" and convincing yourself it is true. If Jesus walked on water, how can you say Muhhamed\'s head didn\'t light on fire for days and float into heaven?
Reversing your arguement, how can you say having "faith" is dumb? It takes a lot of guts to stand up for what you believe in, religous or otherwise -- ask anyone who lives or comes from Israel. It\'s a choice and making that choice isn\'t dumb at all.
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Dude\'s really calm down. It\'s just God...
I really don\'t see how you can be "free" yet Christians have so many "dont\'s". I agree that there are laws and rules that as a society must be followed in order to live productive lives. Such as the ban of murder, crime, among other rules pointed out by the Ten Commandments. I wasn\'t an Atheist all my life. I grew up as a Christian, I was raised with Christian believes and standards. As I grew older, I realized how business like the church was becoming. They wanted more money, money for "God". With the money all the people have given him, "God" must own a couple of mansions in heaven. The church tried to expand and try to affect other areas of this world. Government, education, rituals, laws, and other concepts they considered "wrong" and "sinful". Take the recent "homo-phobia", myself I don\'t agree with gays and lesbians, but truly it\'s their choice. It\'s their life. Christians have no right to ban them to "hell" because of their likes and dislikes. I don\'t think the church has to accept them within their ranks and system, but they shouldn\'t try to make them a whole different species. Besides, according to your beliefs, it was "God\'s" will that they become homosexuals. I have studied the ancient scriptures was past the recent ones. The Bible has a fairly interesting history. As I was studying the Latin Bible, I realized that the Bibles used in most churches today are nothing but a glimpse of what the Bible really was. Editing, additions, deleting, all made the way Christianity is thought today a complete opposite of what it was really meant to be. Being an Atheist, the Latin Bible really made me question my self, it speaks with so much truth. You have no idea what the Bible is until you pick the Latin Bible up. I enjoy reading that Bible not because I\'m suddenly not a "sinner". But because I consider the Bible to be a book of virtues and stories. Not a book meant to be worshiped and translated a million different ways, then try to make people see it your way.
My fields of study require me to get both sides of the story. Up to now, I have yet to meet somebody with the intelligence to argue or convince me that there is a thing called "God". I get replies such as "I don\'t have to convince you of anything, God is great and your going to hell if you don\'t believe.." etc..
Our church was a beautiful architectural wonder. It was beautiful. The interior was fantastic, the walls, the murals. But, is that what Christianity is all about? I see churches spending thousands of dollars on building new churches, taking trips to NeverEver land, spending money on all sorts of things. What happened to the true values of the church?
While attending service, the people around me where really into worshiping. "That\'s good" you say. It would have be, if it didn\'t feel so hollow. I sat there and it felt as if they were faking it. As if they were trying to force themselves to be viewed as a religious person. It really bothered me. I began to question my self when I had sex outside of marriage. I was about 19, and like many "real" Christians I had made the decision to wait for marriage. But, my girlfriend at the time was the most wonderful person. We had dated for about 3 years, and she was also saving herself for marriage. But that night, it just happened. I was really confused afterward, but I loved her and if that was going to send me to hell, I wouldn\'t care as long as I\'m with her. Or so I thought, it turns out everybody at my church found out. The pastor had been talking to my girlfriend, my girlfriend broke up with me, and we never spoke again. As you have stated, my problem is with people trying to implement rules on you. As I have commented, the Bible can be translated into so many different ideas and concepts, how do we know which one is right?
Your views about the "don\'ts" in Christianity are good, but faulty. You speak of not having "free will", and how can I not having if I made the choice there is no "God" while I was a Christian? You centered your statement around the superficial issue. My question to you is: How can Christians have "free will" if some of the choices they make might turn them into "sinners"? How can Christians make choices without taking into account their own feelings, rather than having to think of "WWJD"?
Christians speak of "God" as an loving caring being. Yet, in my opinion, this loving caring being relies on pushing the issue of punishment and how he will punish you if you disobey him. It doesn\'t sound very caring and loving to me. Christianity makes their deity seem two faced. The good side, he gives you life and cares for you. The bad side, he can take your life and can condemn you to eternal suffering. I ask you: If there is a "God", why should we obey him? If he loves us so much, why does he lets us fall into sin in the first place? Why do Christians have to live life according to his standards in order to actually meet him? If "God" really wanted people to follow him, why doesn\'t he just show himself. Religion causes wars, misery, and real "evil" throughout the world. Why would "God" allow this. My choice was made on the fact that there were too many questions surrounding "God". If there was nothing before "God" came, then doesn\'t that mean that he is nothing? Where did this all powerful being come from? Why should people follow him?
The way I see it, I can compare "God" to Castro. People in Cuba in order to live a better life, have to worship and like Castro. Else they live a terrible life, they are punished for their "sins" in a way.
Why do Christians follow a deity that just proclaimed himself "God" of everything. If I was to write a book, call myself "God" and the creator of everything, bury it, then thousands of years later people find it and worship me. Would I be considered a "God"?
But, I guess it all comes down to this: What makes Christianity the "real" thing compared to other religions. If you look back in time, there were so many different religions that originated. Buddhism, Hinduism, and Jainism all originated around, 500BCE. But most importantly, Judaism, the "father" of Christianity originated at around 30CE. At the same time though, the Vedas were being created. If you look at each religion before Christianity you will notice many of similarities. The way the religion started, it\'s "rules" and "God\'s", as well as other concepts. Many of passages in the Bible are stories that were told ages before by a Hindu, or a Buddhist.
If we look at the religion\'s importance in the order which they appeared, shouldn\'t Judaism be considered "God\'s" original intention of how his followers were supposed to worship him? You are telling me that in the Bible nothing has really changed, though if you look at the Jewish Bible, Torah, many of the practices and believes have been completely eradicated. Why? What made them wrong? It was the "original" religion of "God", though Christians changed it to fit THEIR believes.
Most of the passages in the Bible were told orally before they were written down. Like a kind of rumor, it might of completely changed during the time it was passed down. Also, the Bible is not made up of "God\'s" word. The passages were written by people who "witnessed" the events. Since we are all "sinners" and we all make mistakes, couldn\'t have one of the people exaggerated just a little? The Bible has been found to have many contradictory statements within itself, it just shows that some of it, if not all of it, can be completely inaccurate, or better yet, fake. Don\'t we have books about virtues and values today also? What if the Bible had the same purpose?
I agree there are things in life that can\'t be explained. But, in this case many have been explained. Those explanations are the things that Christians are not willing to believe. Where did "God" come from? Who knows. Where did the universe come from? A big rock that blew up. Which answer seems more satisfying? How old was "God"? Who knows. How old is this universe? There are two answers for this, either this universe isn\'t getting older or younger, or it\'s infinitely millions of years old. That goes into another topic though.
I think "God" is a creation of the human intellect in order to achieve the knowledge of things that we don\'t understand. The unexplainable, as humans, we have the hunger to have everything answered logically and truthfully. Yet, when this is not achievable by those standards, we turn to the "unknown". We use an "unknown" to explain the unknowns.
------This really smart friend of mine------
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I believe what I believe because I have FAITH. There have been so many things in my life that have happened and were unexplainable. My sister was almost a vegetable about 7 years ago. She had a brain tumor and her chances of living were slim. She was in the hospital for weeks and brain surgery was about to be scheduled. The last checkup or scan or whatever they do, the brain tumor had disappeared. I mean cmon, how the hell can that happen right? It just DISAPPEARED!!
I respect those who don\'t believe in God, that\'s fine with me. But there have been too many occurences in my life where I thought all hope was gone, but through faith and through prayer, I was able to get through them. You can all poke fun at me and go blah blah blah blah, but as the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said, "It is better to believe in something, than to believe in nothing."
If in fact there is no God/eterrnal life at the end of this life, that\'s fine, I lived life and enjoyed it...I will have no regrets.
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How can you live a "happy" life when you can\'t get laid before marriage?!?!
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Did you just disregard the other posts before this?
FREE WILL.
We can do whatever we want. One cannot FOLLOW EVERY SINGLE RULE that God expects from us. Man\'s nature is sinful, you should have learned that from supposedly previously being Christian.
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Hahaha...well those weren\'t my comments.
Well, if you think that it\'s ok not to follow everysingle rule then that sounds kind of.....ignorant?
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Islam, not Christianity, would be the biggest religion on Earth.
Just chiming in to point out a fact. Islam *is* the biggest religion. Christianity has been in 2nd place for a while now.
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That\'s my mistake. What I meant to say was that the United States would be a primarily Islamic state and not primarily Christian\\Catholic like it is now [or at least I believe it is or has been for awhile now]. Correct me if the numbers are changed since I last heard about it though.
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Why do you guys give the impression that God is an a separate individualilty??
God isnt a super powered spirit that said all of the sudden lets create the universe.Because our minds cant realise God it doesnt mean we have to give God an "interpretation" according to our experiences which are nothing but "information" that our five senses are giving us.
In the boards is kept mentioned that God did this and said that.It is not a personality.You take some things literally from the bible.
God is everything.And its not God as a super spiritual personality.There is no such thing as "heaven" and "hell" the way we realise it.God is the whole universe.And it would have been better if I put the ford God in " " as in "God".
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Hey SwifDi, you said something in another thread about us not being created as apes. No, we were created by dirt...
It must have been cool living back then. I mean, how does 700+ years old sound? :D
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Hahaha...well those weren\'t my comments.
Well, if you think that it\'s ok not to follow everysingle rule then that sounds kind of.....ignorant?
:laughing: I even put it in caps for you.. FREE WILL! Do I have to say it again, man is naturally sinful. So it doesn\'t matter if the rules are there, one will BREAK them no matter what...
Lemme make it easier for you. "No one is perfect."
Get it now? :stick:
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HAHAHHAA EVERY TIME THIS SUBJECT COMES UP PEOPLE JUST REPEAT WHAT THEY\'VE SAID EARLIER! ITS ALMOST LIKE THEY HAVE THEIR RELIGION POSTS SAVED IN A DOCUMENT SO THEY CAN CUT AND PASTE THE NEXT TIME A THREAD COMES UP!
HAW.
CAN I BE SUPERMOD AGAIN!?
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No.
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I\'d love to reply to little snippits of everyone\'s posts, but I think a lot of you would get annoyed quickly. So I\'ll just add in my input.
Jesus, I believe, was a real guy who walked the earth. Was he the son of God? I don\'t know. I, myself don\'t think there is enough evidence to say. From what I understand, he didn\'t deny nor claim to be the son of God.
What I do know about Jesus is is that he had some really good things to say about how people should live. I wouldn\'t say they were laws, but guidelines, really. He\'s just a guy who knew some philosophy like Socrates or Plato.
I agree, the Bible should be read in it\'s Latin version. It is the closest translation from the very original text which was Hebrew which was then translated into Greek (yes Greek was the language of the \'old\' world like English is the language of the world today) which was then translated into Latin.
There is way too much lost in the translation that I think is the reason why there are so many branches of Christianity. Example: during the translation from the Greek version, some doofus screwed up with the description of Moses. The screw up later resulted in Moses having horns as one of his attributes in famous works of art like Michaelangelo\'s sculpture for a tomb. (Don\'t ask me what it the attribute was, I don\'t feel like pulling out my Art History notes).
Also, a lot of the Bible has been a play on words. Like for example: (I\'m tired so I\'m sorry for being crude) the line \'thou shalt not spill thy seed\' or something to that effect. We know that it means \'Don\'t masturbate, don\'t let your semen end up where it wasn\'t meant to be.\' How can anyone be so sure that that and a couple other such phrases are the only ones like it in the Bible? According to my anthropology teacher he said that the phrase \'walking on water\' means walking on a pier since the translated text didn\'t have a word for pier. So if that is true then that would mean that Jesus was only getting off a boat, walking on a pier to get to land. Another example he gave was the word \'virgin\' 2000 years ago didn\'t mean the same as we know it now. (PM me if you want the whole story to that bit...way too long to explain here)
I think that one can\'t completely disagree with religion because there are good things that come out of it. Churches donate their time and money to help those in need. Muslims (the real ones, not the crazy Taliban kinds) and Christians promote brotherhood. Buddhists promote detachment from superfical aspects of life. I can go on and on about different religions, but I\'d bore you to tears. Also, religion/belief/ideas can step in where science can\'t.
However, science a study of the world and how it works. Numerous experiments are conducted to prove something. One can\'t simply deny the proof of something after it\'s been tested over and over. And I know creationists believe otherwise, but ever consider that maybe God planned for us to be primates first and got bored and evolved them into humans ergo Adam and Eve? After all, the argument is, God can do anything.
Well, that\'s my say for this argument. I\'m going to bed. Nighters.
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Jesus = G0d.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Jesus = G0d.
Some denominations would disagree and say that Jesus is only the son of God and not God himself. Others would say that Jesus is just a dude that God sent to set the record straight and is a child of God like everyone else on the planet.
Hehehe..I like that comic. =P
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Thank you for sending it to me. :)
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Maybe we should post the Garfield one so everyone can feel all warm and fuzzy inside. ;)
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No because they probably think a talking cat is sacrilage.
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meh, ok. I\'ll call you in a bit to say goodnight. :x
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Ever heard of pm? j/k :laughing:
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Originally posted by SwifDi
He\'s God! What are you so confused about?!?! He has the ability to do anything.. Oh and it wasn\'t one poof, it was seven days. And the complexity is from your perspective, not God\'s.
Actually God didn`t create time as we know it until the "sixth day" so there is no telling how long it took to create the Earth and life upon it
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SPUDZ: A lot of the stories in the bible I believe are written by people who do some major shrooming. Hence all the freaky shit like walking on water and parting of the seas.
SWIFDI: I don\'t think anyone is disputing that there was a Jesus. A lot of the stories in the bible are probably very true. Probably embelished, but also true. But did God really create us? Did God really give Jesus power? This is where the fiction comes in...
THEOMEN: I have the exact same views as you do.
* Raises a pint. Protects penis with other hand for Omen sees an opportunty.
SIRMYSTIQ: Glad you were man enough to give credit for what you wrote. As if anyone would think you could write that.
VID: I have said it a number of times. The bible is a bunch of stories written by a bunch of people who were probably tripping.. I doubt if many of the people who wrote these stories had even a clue they would be worshipped like they are and billions of dollars a year would be drawn out of people because in order to enjoy this religion you have to supply funds to the church.
Organized religion is a huge scam. The number of churches out there that are just in it for the money is ridiculous. I remember one time we went to a church on CHristmas and in the hour long service he speant 20 minutes talking about religion and over a half an hour talking about helping them out by donating so they could build a new edition on to the church. I guess he took the opportunity of a bunch of people in the audience to pitch for some cash.
Religion is a convenient way to pass on your problems to the unknown. "It\'s ok I lost my wife and my job.. God will provide." "Yeah, I killed the guy, but since then I\'ve found God and I\'m a better man."
Whatever.
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:laughing:
Im almost in tears.
This is pretty hilarious; I mean you are trying to change what I believe over the internet? You say Im some dumb**** that knows shit about religion?
What makes you any smarter than me? Explain smart; is it knowledge? Wisdom? Experience? You dont even know me, so dont act like you do.
I belive their was some guy named Jesus who made a story up, to make everyone believe their was a higher power. This story was rejected by many, hence his death.
And yeah, he smoked the herb; So I mean? Does that help your credibility?
All religion is is a big excuse for something of a higher power. We human beings are ignorant. Years ago, we didnt believe in evolution at all, now with technological breakthroughs and everything else we are now beginning to realise the posibility of it.
BTW; If God created earth, and everything; than who created God? Uber God? And who created him? He couldnt have just been their forever, it hurts both sides of me saying this; by saying, What about the parts that created the scientific form of earth?
Honestly; I dont think the world will ever know weither God is real, or not. But I choose to follow the path that I believe is correct.
So you can bash me, flame me, curse at me, and tell me Im an ignorant fool; but you know what? I could do the same, and what difference does it make?
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SPUDZ! THIS IS G0D SPEAKING THROUGH SAMWISE\'S ACCOUNT: YOU WILL BURN IN HELL! HAVE A NICE DAY.
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God, did I ever tell you that you have nice legs?
*rubs gods crotch
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BWAHAAAAAAAHAAAAA @ Sammy!!
I just got myself a new sig :laughing:
:D
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OK since a couple of you exploded over my "putting God in the back seat thread is causing suffering" I\'ll explain it
It was yet another post by me that I would have explained to your perfectly then and there if I was speaking with you directly in person.
So because of my comment most of you automaticly assume I am saying that lack of God in peoples lives has called all wars and all problems. I never said that. I said there was MORE suffering because of people having lack of faith in God. People throughout history, even a few years after Garden and Eden a few years after the flood that left God behind and went on to pursue greedy things and selfish desires.
The suffering I was speaking of was the deteriation of todays youths, family marriages that dont last, violence, no love, all these things. If more people had a relationship with God the number of divorces, unwanted pregnancies, violence, school shootings etc come to mind would be reduced. I never said anything about wars. Greedy cooporations take all the money then let the corporation fall, Enron, all these crooked energy guys in california, all these people are causing suffering because of their lack of godly principles
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Originally posted by Spudz
I belive their was some guy named Jesus who made a story up, to make everyone believe their was a higher power. This story was rejected by many, hence his death.
You are such an idiot.
The End.
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Originally posted by magepaster
Actually God didn`t create time as we know it until the "sixth day" so there is no telling how long it took to create the Earth and life upon it
This is a good point. Each "day" mentioned in Genesis Chapter 1 wasnt literal 24 hours. Moses used "day" to describe a period of time. A day could be millions of years. Like you would say in the "day" of my grandfather, referring to a period of time. Also the Bible sums up all of the creative days by saying "This is the history of the heavens and the earth, in the "day" God created them." Moses sums up all creative days as one "day" or period of time
And creating a human body isnt so difficult to higher beings, as wicked angels were able to do so before the flood
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The suffering I was speaking of was the deteriation of todays youths, family marriages that dont last, violence, no love, all these things. If more people had a relationship with God the number of divorces, unwanted pregnancies, violence, school shootings etc come to mind would be reduced.
I\'d have to disagree with this part. There are a number of reasons why people suffer and it\'s not because they don\'t have a relationship with God. There are people who are very intuned with God and still have a lot of crap go on in their life. There are people who don\'t have a religion at all and still have a pretty good life.
Would the statement still be true in my case? I don\'t have a relationship (if there is one at all) with God the same way you do, but does that automatically make me susceptible to becoming pregnant with an unwanted child? Does that make me violent? Does that make me want to tote a gun to school and shoot everyone? No because my parents brought me up to be smarter than that. They taught me that there are better things when I follow the alternative to those negativities.
Basically, all those negative things come to how a person is brought up. People nowadays don\'t have time to watch their kids grow up like parents in the past have. In the extreme cases, kids who don\'t feel the love and care that only a parent can give will do crazy things. So one can say that our changing society is screwing up the future generation. Our society hasn\'t learned how to fuse family life and work life to make them work yet.
I believe the reason why people would say \'be with God = have a good life\' is because God, the church, the Bible have a set of guidelines and virtues that are good to a person\'s mental and emotional health. Like "honor thy mother and father" is something good to believe in. But Christianity isn\'t the only religion that promotes such positive lessons and morals. A family following the teachings of Buddha can have the same results. Same with Islam, Judaism, animism. Religion is a postive institution in this sense, then. Religion offers those virtues and guidelines in a written out form. Parents can make a checklist of what they\'ve taught their kids and what needs to be taught still because it\'s written out.
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I respect your opinion, as I\'m sure you do mine.
You make alot of good points, I\'m just saying following the bible guidlines has helped my family stay together in very tough times, and I\'ve seen it help other families, but I have seen some families who have faith break down, so the Bible does help, but its really up to the individual to follow what it says.
I\'ve seen people go to church then turn around and kill someone, its up to the individual. I\'m just saying give God a shot, I have seen too many people drop a bad way of life and become good people to not believe that faith in God and his Bible does not help you
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I respect your opinion too. I\'m just saying that a person who\'s had it bad can take many different roads to get his/her life back on track. I\'ve seen a couple of people who had a change for the better after finding God. I\'ve also seen people who have lost faith in their church only to turn to other denominations or other religions and find their true happiness. It all really depends on the person on where they find their happiness. Some people believe that they have found their happiness in whatever guidelines they\'re following and prefer not to continue searching when they\'ve found what they were looking for. All we can say is kudos to them.
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The suffering I was speaking of was the deteriation of todays youths, family marriages that dont last, violence, no love, all these things. If more people had a relationship with God the number of divorces, unwanted pregnancies, violence, school shootings etc come to mind would be reduced. I never said anything about wars. Greedy cooporations take all the money then let the corporation fall, Enron, all these crooked energy guys in california, all these people are causing suffering because of their lack of godly principles
The church is against condoms, so how would god help stop pregnancys.
People should sex, and sex all the time. again and again.
People just need to be educated and not make mistakes, but people will always make mistakes, so eh.
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Its really impossible to discuss something as complex as religion by using an internet message board, if not impossible. I never was a good essay writer and putting my thoughts and beliefs into words has never been a strong point of mine
but i will just say your words that say church is against condom is very broad, i dont understand. i do know alot of churches say no premaritial sex. i said unwanted pregnancies, so i doubt a couple who got married will have an unwanted pregnancy, and if they do it is rare, and is really not what i was trying to say. I mean premartial pregnancies where the father runs away etc .
and your words people should sex when they want has resulted in untolds millions of deaths
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it is natural, so why not. Marriage doesnt mean people want a baby either. I think people should do it when they want, the church is too anti-sex.
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Well see thats what got humans in trouble in the first place,
they didnt want to do what God said, they wanted to fulfill fleshly desires. Starting with Eve who defied God in eating the fruit of the tree that God forbid them to,
Not listening to Gods commandments in the bible can turn out bad for you...it has been proven time and time again, thats why so many red cross people are now saying the best way to be safe is just be sex free before marriage and stay with your partner during marriage, something the bible has championed for thousands of years. The Bible protects those who follow it, because its from God
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Where was god on September 11, 2001?
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Oh stfu... Have you read a damn thing in this thread?
Ryu said it best about people like you:
I\'m 100% positive God is sick of all the f*cking pricks out there who yell out "Why God, Why?" when their mundane stupid little lives are interrupted by something so incredibly trivial.
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Well, the best things in life arnt always the safest.
If you protect yourself, you can have sex all the time and be safe. And i am not afraid of gods punishments....
If anything, AIDs is such a large problem because we live in a capitlist world...
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how do you assosiate the spread of a virus with an socio-economic belief system?
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Because we have money, but do not spend it to stop AIDs, while it can\'t be completley stopped, we can sure make it a lot less dangerous then it is now.
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Because we have money, but do not spend it to stop AIDs, while it can\'t be completley stopped, we can sure make it a lot less dangerous then it is now.
The only way you could possibly stop the spread of the virus, short of finding the cure, is to isolate everyone infected and there isn\'t even a quick sure fire method to determine that these days without taking quite a bit of time to get the results after a blood test, and then basically confine them until they either perish from pnuemonia or whatever or until a cure or vaccine is found.
Though that is a safe bet to halt the virus from spreading to anyone else, it\'s also discrimination and there\'s no way to be sure if the virus is really elminated from this Earth since we don\'t even know how it started or where it came from -- at least not yet, but aids isn\'t the only thing that needs more money thrown at it.
But after that, it gets more political then it does religious and that\'s not something we should mix.
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Originally posted by Ryu
But after that, it gets more political then it does religious and that\'s not something we should mix.
yet it\'s done everyday.......... :(
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It is in the world, but I\'m not going to do it in this discussion. That\'s a whole other ball of wax.
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I don\'t know why but I just felt like instigating another huge thread like this one. Please just ingnore my previous comment.
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Vid, actually I did write that. HEHEHEHEHE.....I DID!!! Im trying to piss somebody off, so im playing Atheist, now wether I believe in God or not is my business. Ok, im Deist. End of Story.
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People should sex, and sex all the time. again and again.
Why all the time? Sex is overrated. People need more self control. There is more to life than just sex. Judging from this statement, you\'re not getting sexed enough (or at all) are you? ;) kidding! :D
Its really impossible to discuss something as complex as religion by using an internet message board, if not impossible. I never was a good essay writer and putting my thoughts and beliefs into words has never been a strong point of mine
Shouldn\'t you develop that skill in case you need to argue a point later in life? Maybe for a philosophy or anthropology class? I\'d figure that having something written down would make it clearer and allow for less interruptions from the opposing view. ;) It\'s a good skill to have, you know. :)
Well see thats what got humans in trouble in the first place,
they didnt want to do what God said, they wanted to fulfill fleshly desires.
I think God is playing one huge Sim game with humans. If he created humans to be perfect than that wouldn\'t be much fun. We are his hobby.
Starting with Eve who defied God in eating the fruit of the tree that God forbid them to,
Are you blaming womenkind for this belief that man is sinful? Eve wasn\'t the only one bit into the apple. (choose your words wisely, bucko)
Where was god on September 11, 2001?
The real question is...where was the emergency broadcast system? O_o
If anything, AIDs is such a large problem because we live in a capitlist world...
How did the topic of AIDS get into this discussion? O_o
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Originally posted by Rya
Why all the time? Sex is overrated. People need more self control. There is more to life than just sex. Judging from this statement, you\'re not getting sexed enough (or at all) are you? ;) kidding! :D
Shouldn\'t you develop that skill in case you need to argue a point later in life? Maybe for a philosophy or anthropology class? I\'d figure that having something written down would make it clearer and allow for less interruptions from the opposing view. ;) It\'s a good skill to have, you know. :)
I think God is playing one huge Sim game with humans. If he created humans to be perfect than that wouldn\'t be much fun. We are his hobby.
Are you blaming womenkind for this belief that man is sinful? Eve wasn\'t the only one bit into the apple. (choose your words wisely, bucko)
The real question is...where was the emergency broadcast system? O_o
How did the topic of AIDS get into this discussion? O_o
And...he mispelled Capitalist...And for the most part your right..
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We are his hobby.
Woohoo! God loves playing videogames too! :rolleyes:
Even if he was real, and it was known; why waste your time? Its your life, live it to your standards.
If you are happy with being moderatly paid, living in a shithole, and a shitty car- what else do you need? Your happy right?
If you are a millionare, have cars, women and everything- but your not happy? Well, thats useless.
BTW: Answer me this all pro-religion people here; Where is God from? He cant just have been their for eternity, it makes no sense.
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Originally posted by Rya
Are you blaming womenkind for this belief that man is sinful? Eve wasn\'t the only one bit into the apple.
Yeah, that\'s the first time a woman conned a man. She set the trend for all women thousands of years ago. :p
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I mean you are trying to change what I believe over the internet?
I swear Spudz you are an idiot. You are the FASTEST one here to slam our beliefs. We are not shoving ANYTHING down your throat, we are simply answering your simple minded questions.
I belive their was some guy named Jesus who made a story up, to make everyone believe their was a higher power. This story was rejected by many, hence his death.
:laughing: You answered your own question: What makes you any smarter than me?
All religion is is a big excuse for something of a higher power. We human beings are ignorant. Years ago, we didnt believe in evolution at all, now with technological breakthroughs and everything else we are now beginning to realise the posibility of it.
Honestly, I bet you know nothing about these "technological breakthroughs." Going to Google and c/ping don\'t count buddy.
What about the parts that created the scientific form of earth?
What about them? We have already stated that God is the almighty, he can do anything he wants.. He is God. If that sounds stupid to you, then what do you think? What are YOUR views?
Honestly; I dont think the world will ever know weither God is real, or not. But I choose to follow the path that I believe is correct.
That\'s fine with me. I follow mine, you follow yours.
Even if he was real, and it was known; why waste your time? Its your life, live it to your standards.
Waste my time? How am I "wasting" my time. Please give me examples.
My standards? Where do our standards come from? Are they self-evident? I don\'t think so. If every single person in this world had their own standards, it would be chaos. There are rules/laws for a reason.
BTW: Answer me this all pro-religion people here; Where is God from? He cant just have been their for eternity, it makes no sense.
God is the beginning and the end. Simple.
flame off....
/me heads over to the other Spudz thread that doesn\'t give me a headache
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Originally posted by SER
I swear Spudz you are an idiot. You are the FASTEST one here to slam our beliefs. We are not shoving ANYTHING down your throat, we are simply answering your simple minded questions.
The pot calling the kettle black.
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i personally have a belief in myself
got nothing against religion - just a lot of questions i have arent answered in the bible - and yes i was christian and have read the bible more then a few times
i just find that right now im satisfied with my life albeit not perfect its fine
i live my life a day at a time and enjoy the people around me greatly
but there is one thing i have always wondered - so if i dont belive in god and he ends up being there will i be condemned to hell for an eternity for living out my life as a good person but a person that didnt fully accept him
and if thats the case then why was i created only to be damned - since he knows all and can change all
thats not really a choice if you ask me
but like i said - religion can be a great thing - it gets my gf through many of her stressful life problems, i just like to depend on myself for these things
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My standards? Where do our standards come from? Are they self-evident? I don\'t think so. If every single person in this world had their own standards, it would be chaos. There are rules/laws for a reason.
Everyone lives to their own standards. If we all lived by the same code every one of us could be as dumb as you.
God is the beginning and the end. Simple.
But when was the beginning? Its physically impossible for him to just be their forever ago.
I swear Spudz you are an idiot. You are the FASTEST one here to slam our beliefs. We are not shoving ANYTHING down your throat, we are simply answering your simple minded questions.
Uhh, find some place where I say something when I call any of you guys idiots, or stupid? I just think what I think; and want you to know what I think.
You think Im ****ing dumb? Well than I\'d be suprised if you can operate a fork.
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I just dont see how there can be any beginning period. There is matter. Where did that come from? Nothing; just space? Where did space come from? We will never know.
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Right, its something that is unexplainable, and religion just made a guess.
Now a days, we can make estimated guess\'s which seem more possible than some super-human creating everything.
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But when was the beginning? Its physically impossible for him to just be their forever ago.
Wait.... So god can\'t appear out of no where but the universe can?
Seems like a double standard :-P
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Time to put in my two cents....
God, Buddha, whatever you want to call your higher power created the laws (physics and such, not rules to live by), and created matter. Everything else just followed the rules that were set at the beginning of time. Well that\'s my oversimplified view on things. I\'m too lazy to go into more detail, but yeah it\'s the best fusion of science in religion I\'ve heard of and it makes the most sense to me.
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hey wouldn\'t it be f*cked up if we are part of a simulation on a computer somewhere O_O
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God\'s lil\' videogame......
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DID NOBODY BOTHER READING MY POST?!
OMG, I like tried to make it all sound so top notch...
Damn you people!!!
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did you have the meaning of life in your post, because I missed it.
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Totally, the meaning of life is to LIVE!!!!
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no the meaning of life is to reproduce
thats the truest meaning
its pretty consistent and all living beings
so hah!
time to do your part and get it on! :p
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I give up. Spudz wins this debate. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Awww... that kid looks so happy.
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Wait.... So god can\'t appear out of no where but the universe can?
Read my post riiiiight above yours.
Right, its something that is unexplainable, and religion just made a guess.
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BTW; How can you win an arguement on opinion? Thats like someone saying "x" is better than "y". Its an opinion.
And your just upset because I dont believe in God- and am trying to make you see that I dont, wont, and will not believe in some mythical person.
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no the meaning of life is to reproduce
Yeah, its a form of immortality. Your genes, your code is passed on and kept in the pool of life for almost eternity. In a sence your immortal.
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It\'s okay, I\'m beginning to understand.. You believe that we came from some speck of dust that then turned into other things then monkies then those monkies to us? Sorry, I don\'t, won\'t, and will not believe that we said oo aa and ate each other\'s lice aka evolution.
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It\'s okay, I\'m beginning to understand..
Hey me too! You believe that some powerful guy in a toga just made everything in a couple of days, followed by all these pot-head stories! God, it makes so much sense now!
My theory is just as popular and accepted as any religion. Deal with it. Its not some bogus story some scientist made up. Its been studied just as much, if not more than the possibility of the bible.
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What is up with the "powerful guy in a toga" depiction of God? That\'s Zeus in Greek mythology.
P.S. No Spudz, flying horses didn\'t exist either.
P.P.S. Nothing has been studied more than the Bible, it\'s perhaps the oldest piece of literature in the history of mankind. People study it, reference to it, and use it as a comfort to them everyday of their lives.
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What is up with the "powerful guy in a toga" depiction of God? That\'s Zeus in Greek mythology.
I know, well when you see Jesus you see him in the toga, and all hippy like. Well when you see pictures of God- he is basically the same thing.
P.S. No Spudz, flying horses didn\'t exist either.
What about unicorns?
P.P.S. Nothing has been studied more than the Bible
Studying doesnt always mean to try to prove right, its to find more about. And yes that is true. They study it to give proof of its relevance, and of its irrelavance.
One more note; A bit offtopic, but still matters.
You know without religion how many lives would be saved?
The Holocaust would have never happened. The wars in the Middle east most likely wouldnt happen, sure it leads to great relief, but also pain, suffering, and death. Just think about it.
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Nope, the Vedas were created long before the Bible. The Bible is just the oldest piece of primary source that we have of the people of that time.
If you think about it, the whole we came from big rock that blew up, the water and all the crap at the beginning began to gurgle, a speck of life came out of it. More thing came out of it, and thats were evolution and natural selections kicks in. It\'s more logical. I believe that there was some scientist that did this experiment and got life from it. Who was it?
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Originally posted by Spudz
I know, well when you see Jesus you see him in the toga, and all hippy like. Well when you see pictures of God- he is basically the same thing.
There are no pictures of God.
You know without religion how many lives would be saved?
The Holocaust would have never happened. The wars in the Middle east most likely wouldnt happen, sure it leads to great relief, but also pain, suffering, and death. Just think about it.
*bzzzzzt* Wrong.
People will always hate and always be at war with one another no matter what they\'re fighting for. It\'s human nature basically. Oh and do you think if there never was a religion that the world would be a more peaceful place? Haha... highly doubt that.
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Very true. You know what I can\'t stand. Those Christians that put themselves above everything else. Especially their pets and animals. My girl talks about how its "ridicolous"(sp) that people spend money on animals. Im sorry, but if you think that mistreating and animal, or leaving it to die b/c they have "no feelings", then your a ****ing retard. Not to say that she is one though, she has a kitty(an animals with four legs) she loves that thing. To me if your going to get a pet, it is your obligation and kind of like a "contract" with yourself to take care of the animal whenever you can. It\'s not the animals fault that humans are the real animals without feelings in this planet.
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I\'ve lately been having trouble with the entire, "Halloween is for Satan worshippers!" idea. I got into an argument with my gf about it... Cuz she thinks by me just passing out candy I\'m promoting some kind of satanic holiday...
But do these kids really go out and say, "OH LETS GO WORSHIP THE DEVIL!" No. It\'s all in good fun, and should not be so deeply analyzed because in all reality it\'s just about dressing up and getting candy, nothing more.
But yeah, we will always disagree about something. I understand the bible says to stay away from witches and demons and stuff, but these are just kids in face paint and costumes, cut them some slack... Until they\'re out perfoming encantations and sacrificing their pet dog Max, then it will always be nothing more than... "trick or treat".
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VERY TRUE!!
My Gf\'s church is holding some "Bring God into your Life today" Thing on halloween. Well, God, we cool and all, but I mean its free candy. And im pretty sure that lil kids don\'t know magic spells. Halloween is one of them things that Christians messed with b/c they got too much time on their hands.
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There\'s some things zealous Christians blow out of proportion, that is true...
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OK,
Most of us will sit in front of our televisions and watch completely fictional programs such as soaps,dramas, comedies etc and shout at the TV or point out to someone that you can`t believe that he/she did that or that he/she said that or that he/she would sleep with that person. You will react like this KNOWING it is fiction and that everyone is acting. But at the moment you react your belief is that everything you see is real.
Yet, we will still call other people fools for believing in a god that is part of the biggest belief system in the world.
NOBODY knows if God truly exists as an entity. But God does exist as a building block of humanity. Without the belief in God that many people have and without those people following Gods law what would we be left with?
A world without dreams!
Without the belief in something better we will not strive to be better people.
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Originally posted by magepaster
Look all, it\'s a n00b! Hehe just kidding, welcome man. :)
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Halloween isn\'t a satanic holiday that is just some bullshit label the catholics made a while ago.
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If more people would use the beliefs that they so strongly put into god and focus some of that energy into the world around them and instead believe in themselves and family then at that time the world would be a better place, instead they focus their energy into something they believe in without physical proof it exists...... try to focus some of that love for god towards mom or dad or your wife/husband or kids.
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People will always hate and always be at war with one another no matter what they\'re fighting for. It\'s human nature basically. Oh and do you think if there never was a religion that the world would be a more peaceful place? Haha... highly doubt that.
Well, their would be 1 less thing to argue about. Its like the #1 leading cause of war and violence. People are killed over it every single "God" damned day. Sure Christians and Catholics arent really the big part of it; but in the Middle east it is a big problem with any religion.
Hitler most likely wouldnt have prosecuted the just Blacks, Handicapped, and Gays alone. He hated Jews the most and those were side notes.
BTW: Could you imagine being Lenny Kravitz in the Holocaust? Ouch.
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Did you know that war with the palestinians like was caused b/c back in the day, mt. zion had some temple. The palestinians like totally build this thing on top of it. The other people got mad and totally killed them.
i found out today...
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Whoa! like totally man!
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I don\'t want to get too involved in this thread, so just a quick question:
alliswell:
And creating a human body isnt so difficult to higher beings, as wicked angels were able to do so before the flood
Wha chu talkin\' \'bout?
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alliswell is acting like hes actually seen god and satan
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To address the whole man in a toga hippy thing: Jesus, if jesus was real, did not look like a damn hippie or irish. He would have burned up like a carosene rope in a home alone movie living in the Mid East area. Its been a long while, but if i can remember, the bible said that jesus had olive color skin with hair like lambs wool. Doesnt sound like a hippy to me, that is, IF he existed.
...Onward...
Halloween is not a satan worshiping thing. Actually it was something kinda like a new years type of day where you would shed your fear of things. Or at least thats what i thought i heard once a long time ago. Besides it\'s my birthday anyway and ill celebrate it beating up kids and messing around with old people if i want to damnit.
Shit, satanism isnt really even about worshiping satan either. Did a little research a little while back. Stupid kids and their belief in satan as their "god." GRRRR *mad*
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Halloween was a ceremony that was placed before the winter, to prey that not many would die without the crops.
Thennnnnnn they made it All saints days, where there was charity and such...
There is some myths about faeries begging at doors and if you gave them something you were rewarded...
it basically merged with christianity from there... and protistant religion.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
People will always hate and always be at war with one another no matter what they\'re fighting for. It\'s human nature basically. Oh and do you think if there never was a religion that the world would be a more peaceful place? Haha... highly doubt that.
I still think it causes more grief than good.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Halloween was a ceremony that was placed before the winter, to prey that not many would die without the crops.
Thennnnnnn they made it All saints days, where there was charity and such...
There is some myths about faeries begging at doors and if you gave them something you were rewarded...
it basically merged with christianity from there... and protistant religion.
Yeah heard of the last one. meh
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The point is that all who follow satanism and who are "evil" and practice withcraft, magic, whatever... Consider Halloween to be their "Christmas." That\'s why the churches make it a big point to be against kids going out and dressing up as characters that represent paganistic figures.
IMO, I think it\'s harmless.. Been trick or treating forever, I even did last year and I was 18. :laughing: This might be my first year in which I don\'t...
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NO!
You must.
Im doing the ritual of pumpkin smashing.
So much fun just hurling a full pumpkin at a crowd of people. They get ****ing wasted :laughing:. Im such an ass.
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My friend did acid on Halloween once, imagine what he saw :laughing:
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Your penis in his mouth?
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Actually he said he saw a tornado made of lightning come by and pick him up and throw him
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Yup, im dressing up as NEO!!! HAHAHAHA....nah once I was at this house, back in 4th grade, and there were all this dead "dummies" that looked cool. I was walkin toward the lady i turned around I saw them right in front of me....omg...i cried..
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What does trick or treat mean anyways?
Give me candy or I\'ll play a trick on you? Im gonna not give them candy and see if they actually do that. Hmmm...
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Your penis in his mouth?
ahahaha... you all bash spudz but that was pretty damn funny :)
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Heh, I guess more than 2 people understand my crude and stupid humor.
I thought it was hilarious; of course I laugh at Sesame Street jokes. :(
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Well, that sort of diss dissapeared here Texas about 2 years ago. I guess it takes a long time for it to reach Alaska
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Diss?
:laughing: Hmm that term dissapeared about 2 years ago.
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BOT:
THE BIBLE IS A FAKE!!!
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Originally posted by Spudz
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of course I laugh at Sesame Street jokes. :(
"you\'re killin\' me Smalls...
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
BOT:
THE BIBLE IS A FAKE!!!
A fake what? Bible? In that case there must be a genuine Bible for there to be a fake. Also a fake is a copy of something genuine which means that whatever it says in the "fake" Bible you mention is a copy of what it says in the genuine Bible. Which means the Bible whether fake or not is real.
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Ok, the Bible is just a very good book....
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Originally posted by magepaster
A fake what? Bible? In that case there must be a genuine Bible for there to be a fake. Also a fake is a copy of something genuine which means that whatever it says in the "fake" Bible you mention is a copy of what it says in the genuine Bible. Which means the Bible whether fake or not is real.
Well technically the bible we read today is fake. Consider how many times it\'s been translated from different languages each time the translator taking the liberty to decide what it means. So yeah, the current bible is fake, but that\'s a tangent I don\'t think any of us are willing to take right now.
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Originally posted by Phil
Well technically the bible we read today is fake. Consider how many times it\'s been translated from different languages each time the translator taking the liberty to decide what it means. So yeah, the current bible is fake, but that\'s a tangent I don\'t think any of us are willing to take right now.
That doesn`t make it FAKE that makes it misinterpretation.
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Misinterpretation=False Statement
A Book consisting of false statements=A "fake" book
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It is NOT a "fake" book! It has pages and a cover it is a REAL book.
Misinterpretation=False Statement?
Wrong
misinterpretation is to interpret wrongly or to draw the wrong conclusion.
I do wish people would learn to understand the language they profess to speak.
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If you misinterpret the point of something wrongly, it\'s not the same as the original. Therefore, compared to the original, it\'s false.
Ok the, what the Bible says is fake.
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Bloody hell you are an idiot!
A FAKE is something that pretends to an object it resembles.
For instance If I were to build a car that looked exactly like a Ferrari 355 it would be a fake Ferrari NOT a fake car as whatever it resembles it is still a car.
The Bible no matter how incorrectly translated is still a book. Therefore it is not FAKE
English becomes such a terrible language when it comes from the mouths of the lazy and ignorant
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Haha, magepaster > SirMystiq :p
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yeah, magepaster stay around- your gonna get a warm welcome (in the anus most likely ;) ).
And sirmystiq you are wrong; :laughing: Read a dictionary.
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Hahahahaha, I know I was wrong. DUH!!!
Newayz, the stuff that makes up the Bible is fake. Yea, a sea split and a bunch of people ran through it....and im sorry a crap load of animals fit on single boat....
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Hahahahaha, I know I was wrong. DUH!!!
Right.... :rolleyes:
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The funny part is, sirmystiq could have been right if he would have worded it correctly. The bible we read today is NOT the genuine translation of the original text thus it\'s a fake compared of the original. It is not a genuine copy. I didn\'t say the bible was a fake book. I said the version we read today is fake, which it is :p.
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Oh dear!
Doesn`t anybody here know the meaning of fake?
To fake something is to produce an item that will fool people into thinking it is the original item.
Famous paintings for instance are "faked" all the time and if someone is stupid enough they will buy it thinking it genuine.
Nobody (unless they were as stupid as some of the posters in this thread) would buy a copy of the Bible thinking it to be the original copy.
The Bible we read today is not a fake, it is a misinterpretation of the original. That has nothing to do with being fake.
If you people can`t understand the meaning of fake how the @%*$ can you comment on whether the Bible is true or not?
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:rolleyes:
Fake; adj, verb
1. One that is not authentic or genuine; a sham
2. To contrive and present as genuine; counterfeit.
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I feel the love :)
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You want to feel my love?
It only hurts the first time.
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It\'s a date
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Originally posted by Spudz
:rolleyes:
Fake; adj, verb
1. One that is not authentic or genuine; a sham
2. To contrive and present as genuine; counterfeit.
So I was right. SO **** YOU MAGE!!!!!
The text in the Bible is not authentic, therefore it\'s fake. So go suck on Buddha\'s big one you shit head.
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Jesus christ your ****ing retarded Sir Mystiq,
I was pointing out how you were both wrong/right.
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Originally posted by Spudz
:rolleyes:
Fake; adj, verb
1. One that is not authentic or genuine; a sham
2. To contrive and present as genuine; counterfeit.
The text in the current Bible\'s is not the "genuine" one, therefore according to your definition, it\'s a fake.
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Oh shut up already.
You think anyone cares you ****ing dork?
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You\'re the one that called me retarded after I made a statement. Your definition fit my statement. No right to call me retarded.
So you can take your dick sucking attitude to your daddy you ass wipe.
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Lol, alrighty... before my IQ drops any further from reading this crap, I\'d just like to plead to your common sense (that\'ll be hard :p). Just stop the crap already... or I\'ll just close the thread and be over with it.
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Just ban sirmystiq no one likes him ;)
of course no one likes me either :(
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*bans you both*
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[certain stupid member mode]CAN ANYONE READ THIS!1 OMG!!!!11[/viv- erm stupid member mode]
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
So I was right. SO **** YOU MAGE!!!!!
The text in the Bible is not authentic, therefore it\'s fake. So go suck on Buddha\'s big one you shit head.
You silly silly girly boy!
Everyone knows the Bible is not authentic you cretinous pile of dog shite! But the Bible has not been faked it has been misquoted and misinterpreted during it`s many translations.
You seem to be sure that Buddha has a big one. You must go there a lot
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Woohoo look what I started.
*does a little dance*
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Originally posted by magepaster
You silly silly girly boy!
Everyone knows the Bible is not authentic you cretinous pile of dog shite! But the Bible has not been faked it has been misquoted and misinterpreted during it`s many translations.
You seem to be sure that Buddha has a big one. You must go there a lot
NEWAYZ!!! I lose, You win. There happy? Hey well at least we know buddha actually existed.