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Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: JP on November 09, 2003, 03:25:14 PM
Sounds like a must-buy to me.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/458/458560p1.html
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Halberto on November 09, 2003, 03:48:06 PM
is this PS2 exclusive?
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Phil on November 09, 2003, 03:48:16 PM
Very, sweet.  I\'m definitely going to have to check this one out.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Kurt Angle on November 09, 2003, 04:02:53 PM
I played the demo and was quite impressed.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Phil on November 09, 2003, 04:05:22 PM
The guys over at PA say that the demo doesn\'t even compare to the polish of the final product.  This is at least a renter.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: JP on November 09, 2003, 04:10:37 PM
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Originally posted by ViVi
is this PS2 exclusive?


No, I think it\'s coming out on all consoles. Well at least also the Xbox from what I can remember.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: ##RaCeR## on November 09, 2003, 06:39:41 PM
Good to see a remake is just as good as the original.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Ginko on November 09, 2003, 06:45:48 PM
All consoles, I believe the Xbox and GCN version are due out later.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: ##RaCeR## on November 09, 2003, 06:48:23 PM
BTW does anyone know where I can find the original POP on the net?
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Deadly Hamster on November 09, 2003, 07:39:50 PM
it comes with the game if ya didnt already know.

But to yer question, nope.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: videoholic on November 09, 2003, 08:28:52 PM
DOes 1 and 2 come with the game?  That would be pretty sweet.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Phil on November 09, 2003, 09:03:08 PM
The original PoP is unlockable in the game, and they transform one of the levels into 3D also.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: ##RaCeR## on November 09, 2003, 10:22:03 PM
So, the original POP is playable on your PS2 or is it a PC demo or something? I loved that game.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: (e) on November 09, 2003, 10:43:18 PM
Its like a bonus level Im guessing.

Much like in Excitebike 64 (only example I can think of) when u beat the game you could play the older version. God that game ruled.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Kurt Angle on November 10, 2003, 01:43:52 AM
The original can be downloaded as abandonware from here.

It works too!

Oi Kurt, you naughty boy! No linking to warez sites please (even if it\'s abandonware). -Sammy.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: ##RaCeR## on November 10, 2003, 03:21:41 AM
Lots of vids here http://prgk.xtina.pl/

I think they are the IGN Insider vids, not sure though.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: ##RaCeR## on November 10, 2003, 03:23:11 AM
BTW why is Abandonware not allowed? I thought Copyright only lasted for as long as the product is available?
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: JP on November 10, 2003, 03:27:29 AM
Abandonware is not warez. Abandonware is perfectly legal from what I\'ve heard.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Samwise on November 10, 2003, 03:32:42 AM
Abandonware IS NOT legal. Just because the product is not sold anymore, doesn\'t mean the creators loose their copyright. So linking to abandonware is like linking to warez as far as this site goes.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: videoholic on November 10, 2003, 04:09:16 AM
Actually Samwise I thought there was nothing wrong with it as well.  You couldn\'t buy POP 1 even if you wanted to.  If it wasn\'t legal then these abandon ware sites would be shut down.  They have been up for years.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Samwise on November 10, 2003, 04:12:01 AM
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Originally posted by videoholic
Actually Samwise I thought there was nothing wrong with it as well.  You couldn\'t buy POP 1 even if you wanted to.  If it wasn\'t legal then these abandon ware sites would be shut down.  They have been up for years.

Jeez you people... abandonware = NOT legal, STILL copyrighted, not sold products. I don\'t care if they\'re not sold, dl\'ing them is illegal = warez = not suitable for this site.

Yeah, I like being a byatch. ;)

But really, let\'s take it one more time... [size=8]ABANDONWARE = ILLEGAL[/size].
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: JP on November 10, 2003, 04:12:03 AM
If it\'s legal or not depends. There are abandonware sites that offer LEGAL abandonware downloads with games that have been released for legal free distribution as a free download, freeware, public domain or some similar distributing method. The latest game to do so is Hidden & Dangerous Deluxe which can be downloaded from a popular gaming site.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Samwise on November 10, 2003, 04:13:58 AM
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Originally posted by JP
If it\'s legal or not depends. There are abandonware sites that offer LEGAL abandonware downloads with games that have been released for legal free distribution as a free download, freeware, public domain or some similar distributing method. The latest game to do so is Hidden & Dangerous Deluxe which can be downloaded from a popular gaming site.

Yeah, then it\'s different. But if the creators have not released their products for free distribtíon (and that would be most games and apps, no matter the age) then it\'s still not legal.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: JP on November 10, 2003, 04:17:13 AM
I agree with you on that one, I just wanted to say that abandonware in the true sense of the word doesn\'t automatically mean illegal warez.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: ##RaCeR## on November 10, 2003, 04:32:45 AM
So Samwise, do you have any sources to back up your claims that Abandonware really is illegal?

Just asking.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Kurt Angle on November 10, 2003, 05:10:09 AM
I thought all abandonware was legal, given up by the companies for free distribution. Oh well, if anyone want to d/l it just do a search of abandonware in google and you will find a site with it easy enough.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Samwise on November 10, 2003, 05:11:36 AM
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
So Samwise, do you have any sources to back up your claims that Abandonware really is illegal?

*slaps forehead*

Doh.

Ok, here goes. Taken from the very site Kurt Angle linked to:

"Is abandonware legal?
No it isn\'t, don\'t let anyone tell you otherwise."


Here\'s from another abandonware site:

"Is Abandonware legal?:
er..... no, it\'s not. many reckon it should be, and some of the thicker webmasters even claim it is, legal. but there\'s no two ways about it, downloading abandonware is illegal, as it putting it up on a site."


Come on, if you need more proof (besides using your head and common sense), then research it yourself.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: ##RaCeR## on November 10, 2003, 05:24:11 AM
i wasn\'t faulting your claims, i was just curious as I wasn\'t 100% sure.

still, its not like they are gonna sue you for some shareware game you can buy at those dollar stores on 3 inch dicks.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Samwise on November 10, 2003, 05:26:18 AM
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
i wasn\'t faulting your claims, i was just curious as I wasn\'t 100% sure.

Alright, it just sounded that way to me. At least you can be sure now.

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still, its not like they are gonna sue you for some shareware game you can buy at those dollar stores on 3 inch [size=8]dicks[/size]. [/B]

I think you mean discs. ;)
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: ##RaCeR## on November 10, 2003, 05:28:32 AM
hehehe, whoops. thats kinda funny. wonder what i\'ve got on the brain...
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: JP on November 10, 2003, 08:13:05 AM
Mariah Carey?
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: JBean on November 13, 2003, 07:21:55 AM
i\'ve read nothing but stellar reviews for the new PoP game on ps2.  I\'m definately at least gonna rent it, then maybe my wife will get it for me for christmas.

Is it just me or are there TONS of awesome games coming out now or will be shortly?
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: FatalXception on November 13, 2003, 08:47:55 AM
Sammy, you are obeying the letter of the law, while ignoring the spirit.  Almost all of the good abandonware sites have setup an easygoing truce with the game companies.  

They link to places you can purchase the game if it\'s still available, give reviews, and links to the manufacturers websites.  However, most manufacturers don\'t bother asking them to remove links to older programs that you cannot get elsewhere.... in many cases, not even from the original makers.  There are a few companies who don\'t allow any abandonware (like sierra), but I think if you vet the sites, you\'ll find most do it like the "underdogs" do (carefully not letting you download anything otherwise available).
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: MPTheory on November 25, 2003, 06:16:34 AM
I just picked up the game last night.  I played for about 2 hours.  So far its pretty good.  The sound could be better though.  The CG is kind of old school, but I\'m letting that slide right now because the gameplay is good.  I\'ll give you guys a better review later.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: mm on November 25, 2003, 07:33:49 AM
abandonware is not license free, it\'s just not worth the legal battle over it

want to play PoP?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3060574412&category=11050
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: MPTheory on November 26, 2003, 01:10:13 PM
I\'m further into the game now.  The gameplay is still friggin awesome, but the sound is just pathetic.  Ofcourse, its so fun to play that I grin and bear it.  the story is ok, nothing spectacular.  But like I said... Friggin awesome gameplay.  Definately worth renting.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Living-In-Clip on November 29, 2003, 04:20:33 AM
I know some people are slow and not the brightest, so let me break this down.

Just because it is no longer sold - does not mean the company does not hold a copyright on it.

Take DVD\'s for examples, just because one goes OOP, for whatever reason, does not mean you have the legal right to get online and download it.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: ooseven on December 01, 2003, 02:06:40 AM
Do to get back on topic...

Is the game any good ?
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Ace on December 01, 2003, 06:17:03 AM
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Originally posted by ooseven
Do to get back on topic...

Is the game any good ?


Good question. I\'m interested in buying this game.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Green Meanie on December 01, 2003, 06:54:28 AM
Played it yesterday, pretty shitty really.

It\'s turned into every other 3d platformer, nothing more to say really, looks like I\'ll be buying the orginal on Megadrive again!
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: MPTheory on December 01, 2003, 11:43:51 AM
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Originally posted by ooseven
Do to get back on topic...

Is the game any good ?


I\'m sorry... I guess my posts are invisible
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: JP on December 01, 2003, 05:18:44 PM
Aaww, poor MP...
I saw it! :)
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: MPTheory on December 02, 2003, 05:37:47 AM
yay :)  I was starting to think I was being ignored :(
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Living-In-Clip on December 02, 2003, 08:30:54 AM
It\'s not they are invisible, it\'s just we are not going to take your word.

Anyone else have impressions? More trust worthy impressions?

:D
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: MPTheory on December 02, 2003, 09:15:28 AM
I hope your thumbs fall off!
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Living-In-Clip on December 02, 2003, 12:02:38 PM
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Originally posted by MPTheory
I hope your thumbs fall off!


They would if I had something to play!

I am trying to conserve some money and undecided on what to buy.

(1) I-Ninja

It looks like my style. A nice platformer that doesn\'t take itself serious. Getting decent reviews.

(2) Prince of Persia

Looks stunning. Getting rave reviews, but not sure it\'s my style.

(3) Legay of Kain: Defiance.
Hated all the other installments, but from reviews they say all the problems I had have been addressed (combat system / camera) . I just dig the vampire  / demon storyline.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: JP on December 02, 2003, 04:05:31 PM
I loved Soul Reaver. Don\'t care much for the others... Defiance supposedly is more like Soul Reaver so I might actually buy this one.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: JBean on December 03, 2003, 06:21:18 AM
I rented it about a week ago and at first I was a little disappointed.  The fighting is pretty cool at first, but the slow-mo over the top matrixish moves get old quick.. as well as running on the walls (you have to do it all the time).  It is truly fun however to navigate the huge jungle gym-like poles and swinging around and jumping from wall to wall.  

Something also pretty neat is the abiltiy to rewind time.  Once you gain a certain item in the game and it\'s charged up with sand you can rewind time (about 10 seconds worth) as many times as you have orbs filled on your bar.  It lets you try things you normally wouldn\'t try, cause you know if you fall to your death.. you can always just rewind and continue on.  

I also didn\'t like how much it guides you along and tells you what to do and where to go.  I only played it for about 3 hours, but from what I saw i\'d give it an 8.5 out of 10.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Black Samurai on December 08, 2003, 07:43:05 AM
Awesome game. My only gripe is that it was too short.

I don\'t really see the problem MP had with the sound. It gets frustrating in some areas because you don\'t know what to do. Still, they have a pretty cool feature where you\'ll recieve a vision at a savepoint that gives little clues as to what you are supposed to do in the next section.

Overall, I would say it is a VERY solid game. Probably the best game I have played in the past couple of months. I would recommend renting first though. It might be a little too frustrating for some people tastes.

I sometimes wish there were replays for some of the acrobatic maneuvers you have to pull off. I remember "tightrope" walking along a narrow walkway and then jumping off the walkway onto the wall and wall jumping onto a flagpole and then doing gymnastic swings to get momentum to flip off the poll on to a vertical column and jumping from that column to another and another and then jumping off that onto another wall and wall running to another platform where I had to run up the wall to reach the ledge so I could climb up and whoop 20+ sand zombies.

BTW, The unlockable PoP sucks. It is the same game but the emulation runs WAY too slow. It makes the game nowhere near as fun as the original.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Blade on December 08, 2003, 10:36:12 AM
I\'ll have to second that notion that the emulated POP1 kinda sucks. Nice and sharp graphically, but slow. Slower than the slow PC version. Also, after playing POP4, I\'ve found the play control of POP1 to be extremely difficult to get used to. I love side-scrollers like this.. but POP1 is.. well.. let\'s just say that I wish it was easier to tip-toe.

Tapping left/right only to plummet to my doom is frustrating.
Title: Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time IGN review
Post by: Echo on December 09, 2003, 07:12:43 PM
Wow. That\'s all I have to say.
When I first saw screens and movies of this I wasn\'t all that impressed. Then when the game started getting rave reviews I was pleasantly surprised to see that my fears about the game had been unnecessary.

Yesterday I got some money and I decided it was time for a new game as I\'d been clean for far too long. Out I went, wallet in my pocket, with intentions of buying Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3.
When I got to the store the cover of PoP caught my eye. Now I had a dilemma. Either SMA4, a game I knew was really, really, really good and would last a while even after I had finished it, or Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time, a game I had read in various reviews was really, really, really good, but didn\'t last very long. I would have bought both, but I needed some money to buy Christmas presents.
After a long time thinking, taking countless trips from the GBA shelves to the PS2 shelves, and back, looking at the covers, reading the back of the covers, and just thinking, I reached a decision. Prince of Persia was the choice, and I don\'t regret it.

Combat is really fun (especially jumping over enemies and then striking at them) and the acrobatics are perhaps even more fun than the combat. Too bad about the puzzles being poo and the game lasting so short.