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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: mm on November 18, 2003, 09:38:08 PM
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HARDWARE:
North American Video Game Hardware Unit Sales (Console & Handheld):
2002: 21.1 million units
2003: 22.3 million units (estimated)
2004: 20.7 million units (estimated)
2005: 15.9 million units (estimated)
2006: 13.3 million units (estimated)
Total Video Game Hardware Market Share By Manufacturer (YTD July 2003-NPD):
Sony PlayStation (PSone & PS2): 65.7%
Microsoft Xbox: 19.9%
Nintendo GameCube: 14.3%
Total Video Game Hardware Market Share By Console (YTD July 2003-NPD):
Sony PlayStation 2: 53%
Microsoft Xbox: 22%
Nintendo GameCube: 17%
PlayStation: 8%
Console Hardware Unit Sales Per Platform (YTD July 2003-NPD):
Sony PlayStation 2: 2,663,262
Microsoft Xbox: 1,081,341
Nintendo GameCube: 849,715
PlayStation: 423,294
SOFTWARE:
Console Software Unit Market Share Per Platform (YTD July 2003-NPD):
Sony PlayStation 2: 69.3%
Microsoft Xbox: 17.7%
Nintendo GameCube: 13.3%
Software-To-Hardware Tie Ratios (YTD July 2003-Piper Jaffray):
Sony PlayStation: 22.6
Sony PlayStation 2: 11.8
Microsoft Xbox: 9.5
Nintendo GameCube: 9.4
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I wonder how they come up with those estimates...
I can understand this year... and maybe even next year, but the 2006 sales? Dependant on economy, technology, games.... not to mention the actual consoles available by then....
No surprise to see how sony has stacked up with sales thusfar.
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Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
How many times was that said on this board? :o The videogame industry is alive & well, very competitive and an enormous variety out there.
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Man GC is doing badly too
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Originally posted by THX
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
Another nail in Xbox\'s coffin
How many times was that said on this board? :o The videogame industry is alive & well, very competitive and an enormous variety out there.
yeah too dman right and to make matters worse i plan to give the x box the kiss of death buy buying a 2nd hand one when fable comes out.
;)
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As well as ps2 is doing and as awesome as the games are, you have to admit that XBox kicks our butt in the online department. They really had a comprehensive strategy that worked out nicely whereas ps2 leaves a lot to be desired. Oh well, the bottom line is we\'ve got the clear cut best games and decent enough online. Hopefully ps3 online will be better.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Man GC is doing badly too
I am looking at the same thing... I wonder if Nintendo will ever be on top of the world as they used to be? I suppose not but I hope they vever leave the industry. I never bought the N64 because it didn\'t appeal to me (I hate using cartridges), but I bought the Gamecube and relized that they are the only ones, besides a few developers (Exp. Rockstar), that still make games for gameplay and not graphics.
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Originally posted by shedoskj
As well as ps2 is doing and as awesome as the games are, you have to admit that XBox kicks our butt in the online department. They really had a comprehensive strategy that worked out nicely whereas ps2 leaves a lot to be desired. Oh well, the bottom line is we\'ve got the clear cut best games and decent enough online. Hopefully ps3 online will be better.
as i said before, only suckers pay for online gaming
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Originally posted by shedoskj
As well as ps2 is doing and as awesome as the games are, you have to admit that XBox kicks our butt in the online department. They really had a comprehensive strategy that worked out nicely whereas ps2 leaves a lot to be desired. Oh well, the bottom line is we\'ve got the clear cut best games and decent enough online. Hopefully ps3 online will be better.
Lemme get this straight....you\'re paying for your service provider already...then you gotta pay MS to play?
Is EA Sports charging or is it still free on the PS2?
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Still free I believe
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whatever happened to the console called phanthom? I think the specs were weak on it, but did it ever come out?
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Anyone who says with a straight face that PS2\'s online strategy is better than Xbox Live is only fooling themselves.
Its the price of one game per year and the service is overall much better. There is really no contest when it comes to the online service.
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as i said before, only suckers pay for online gaming
Nothing\'s free. Every clan server you join on a PC game costs about $75-$95 per month.
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Problem you guys seem to dont understand is that Sony as no "service". you pay for nothing, you get nothing. The game manufacturer as to own their servers, pay their bandwith. if it suck, it\'s not sony\'s fault.
When you PAY for MS "service", you pay for the bantwith and server cost, wich you already paid a part by buying their "online kit". Wich you already paid when you buy each game, because each manufacturer as to pay a tribute to MS each time they use their librairies of pgms for online game, they pay tribute each time they put the "online logo" on their game box~. All in all, MS is laughing is ass hard to each sheep that contribute.. a milkcow~
Is PC gaming online world suck ? their service is soooo the same thing as Sony~ People play the game they want, on the server they want.
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^^^Thats exactly the problem. The PS2 wasn\'t designed from the ground up to take advantage of online capabilities so it will always seem like it was something on the backburners. I stand by the fact that anyone who says sony\'s online plan is better than Xbox Live has not played Xbox Live. I probably wouldn\'t play PS2 online at all if Madden(and all EA games for that matter) were available on Xbox Live. Its that good.
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m$ has server and bandwidth cost? bullshit, they run a "matching service" is all they do. and you suckers pay for it
your not actully playing on any m$ server, its call point to point networking and my PS2 does it for free
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Originally posted by THX
Nothing\'s free. Every clan server you join on a PC game costs about $75-$95 per month.
Yeah but you don\'t HAVE to play online in a CLan...
So the only money you should pay in PC game\'n is to you good old ISP.
Well unless your Krasy enough to pay & play for a MMORPG.. like Evercrack soorrry everquest.
:)
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but even THEN you do what i do and play it like made for the trial period and then tell them to go and F*^K themselfs when they want to charge you.
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ooseven- What PC games have you played recently? ALL the good ones require 10-25 people to play at the same time. There\'s no way to set those up for free, that\'s just the way it is. Clans are kind enough to pay for public servers to allow everyone to come in and play a game.
mm- Have you tried both services? I haven\'t but people who have say Xbox online is MUCH more user-friendly and super smooth. They say they can\'t imagine going back to finnicky PS2 online, even if they\'re favorite game is on it.
No bias here as I actually love my PS2 more, just saying Xbox is clearly the winner if you wish to play online. The same \'ol rule applies here: you get what you pay for.
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finicky?
xbox live is bloatware, i want one button to connect to my friends and play
free > paying, there really is no argument
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Originally posted by THX
ooseven- What PC games have you played recently? ALL the good ones require 10-25 people to play at the same time. There\'s no way to set those up for free, that\'s just the way it is. Clans are kind enough to pay for public servers to allow everyone to come in and play a game.
I mainly pay FPS... but i have been known to play strategy games like HOMEWOLRD 2 and the link on line....
For Free....Heck even some of the Clan run servers (or Hots for clans) are 100% free.
so please... just because i am sensible not to pay and play on Clan servers don\'t make my point of view in valid.
So if you want to continue to pay to play with X box live ... so be it
its your money.
i Just want you to know that FREE online PC gaming is the majority and notthe minorty.
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heh, I was saying it\'s not free. Just because YOU don\'t pay doesn\'t mean it\'s 100% free, the money has to come from somewhere. 99% of all FPS servers are clan hosted, game players like you and I.
The infrastructure is different but the fact remains the same; nothing\'s free. You can\'t host clan based servers for Xbox games but if you could it would be a lot smoother than it is now.
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clan hosted? wtf are you talking about?
i dont pay squat to play q3, UT, CS or any other fps out there, there are 1000\'s and 1000\'s of servers to play on
hell, if i had a little less respect for dev\'s, i could download all of the above and play for free all i wanted
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The Xbox live central-server system definitely has it\'s pros and cons... but I think (even though I don\'t own one), that the pros are huge. Being able to get invitations to join a game when a friend logs on? Downloading other people\'s "best times" and such in racing games, so you can ghost them? All that stuff is sweet. The only con side is really the money... which in most people\'s cases is enough to make them look elsewhere.
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When you join a server what\'s the name of it? The thousands I see on Gamespy are owned be clans such as -=LnL=- Lock \'n Load, =BH= Blackhats, -d|b|g-, [EASY] Company, etc.... These are clans that pay for the server.
http://www.quakeserver.org
http://www.artofwarcentral.com
http://www.fragcentral.com
http://www.homelanfed.com/servers/games.php
http://www.ilangame.com
http://www.jolt.co.uk
These companies host the servers. It ain\'t free, never has been never will be.
This is how it works, what servers are you joining that were free to setup? I\'d like to know.
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i could fire up gamespy right now and pick from 1000\'s of servers to play on for free
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yea same here. the point was that if everyone held your philosophy of "only suckers pay for online gaming" then instead of thousands you\'d only see 5.
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Hehe, mm you\'re missing the point. Sure, YOU don\'t have to pay to play. But someone (other players) have to pay for those \'free\' servers to run. So you\'re both right.
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they dont HAVE to pay for those servers
there\'s 2 dozens servers hosted at the university 10 miles from me alone
you know why clans have pay to play servers? cause they want privacy.
running a quake 3 server is profitable, hence the suckers paying to play on it
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I can see you were never in a clan. :) Most all gaming servers are public. We had 3 servers at one point, all were setup for public slots. They were only made pass-protected private during practices and matches which were once a week or less, no more than an hour. Just about all ladders operate with this plan. Call us suckers if you wish but renting professionally-run gaming servers is a helluva lot of fun and very efficient. Our clan made it to the #1 spot twice, which wouldn\'t have been possible using a university server.
If you want to provide a nice ping and great service you\'re gonna have to pay for it. If you want to play on a server with a nice ping you better hope there are clans shelling out the dough to setup gaming servers.
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i was in several clans, ask jaym
i didnt pay a damn cent, nor did anyone else in my clans, and my pings were < 50 at all times
email the operator and ask for rcon, easy enough
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Its funny that people debate whether PS2\'s online features or XBOX\'s are better while there is no reason to and nobody seems to mention GC\'s failure that does even worse than XBOX and has no online capabilities