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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: fastson on December 14, 2003, 03:14:31 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3317429.stm
Ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has been arrested in Iraq, according to unconfirmed reports.
Members of the Iraqi Governing Council and Kurdish officials said he had been captured in his ancestral hometown of Tikrit, north of the capital Baghdad.
The US Defence Department said it had no confirmation of the report.
Saddam Hussein is the most wanted man on the list issued by US authorities but has not been seen since Baghdad fell to US forces in April.
Intensive search
A spokeswoman for US-led coalition forces in Baghdad said that a "very important" announcement would be made at a news conference at 1200 GMT but would not give further details.
Saddam Hussein has been the subject of intensive searches by US-led forces in Iraq but previous attempts to locate him have proved unsuccessful.
People have started celebrating the possible capture in the streets of Baghdad and the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
The former Iraqi leader was last seen in television footage shot in April at a Baghdad market just before the city fell to US forces in the recent Iraq conflict.
US authorities have offered a $25m reward for information leading to his capture.
On 22 July his sons, Uday and Qusay, were killed in a raid by US forces in the northern city of Mosul.
Blair has confirmed!
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It\'s on the news now
Nice one
They should get him to do a world tour.
"Saddam Hussein\'s world stringing up tour, coming to a town square near you soon"
I\'d pay.
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Wild Things was on TV and then all of a sudden CNN popped up. I hate when they do that, and it was right in the middle of the three way...
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DNA has confirmed it is definitely him!
Apparently he had a false grey beard and long hair. Maybe he thought dressing up as Santa Claus would be a good dissguise. :D
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Originally posted by Kurt Angle
DNA has confirmed it is definitely him!
Apparently he had a false grey beard and long hair. Maybe he thought dressing up as Santa Claus would be a good dissguise. :D
False grey beard? No wonder they spotted him, I mean.. SADDAM.. newsflash, they do not look real!
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LOL Fastson!
More info here!
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1115282,00.html
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damn i was against the war..but this is good news! hopefully this will stop some of those attacks over there & bring down the morale of suicide attackers
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I wonder how much involvement the aussie SAS had, sense the brits SAS weren\'t involved due to lack of Desert training. So i\'ve been told...
But good news none the less... :)
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His mugshot!
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look\'s like the grey beard is real. He seems to have lost a little weight too, no mistaking it\'s him though.
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damn so what now? i wonder what type of charges he\'s goin to face? oh well this guarantees (spelling?) bush lock on the white house for the next 4. Dems got no firepower now.
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It helps Bush case, because it does one thing. It distracts the STUPID AMERICAN\'s from the real enemy. Osama Bin Laden. Yes, I know most American\'s are idiots and have a short attention span - so they hardly remember that name, but just in case...Here\'s a news flash: Planned the airplane hijacks and destruction of the twin towers. Yeah, that wasn\'t Saddam was it?
Alrighty then.
Score one for the Adminstration: Taking advantage of stupid American\'s and forcing a war and finally getting some firepower for their next campaign.
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Yeah, Osama is no.1 on the agenda now. I know that Bush will confirm that at his next press conference.
I mean, for a security freak.. where else would you go? North Korea for Byung-Hyun Kim or whatever that bastard\'s name is? :) I can\'t wait until we find Osama, if he\'s still alive.. but I know he won\'t be as cordial as Saddam.
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It\'s not like they\'ve stopped looking for Osama. Although I bet if Al Gore was in office he would have gotten Osama. :Little rolls eyes guy: Go democrats!!!!
No, really.... Go....
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...go....give away more of my paycheck to immigrant baby machines? ;)
Yay! I wanna see him dressed up like a schoolgirl and being paddled by old Jewish men.
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This news report should of said..
"Bush gives speech to dumb American\'s... We found Saddam, but we\'re still looking for those WMD ...and that Osama guy.."
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It helps Bush case, because it does one thing. It distracts the STUPID AMERICAN\'s from the real enemy. Osama Bin Laden. Yes, I know most American\'s are idiots and have a short attention span - so they hardly remember that name, but just in case...Here\'s a news flash: Planned the airplane hijacks and destruction of the twin towers. Yeah, that wasn\'t Saddam was it?
No its because we are fighting the war in Iraq using the new Yu-Gi-Oh system, were capture of saddam magiclly turns everything ok ;).
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
I wonder how much involvement the aussie SAS had, sense the brits SAS weren\'t involved due to lack of Desert training. So i\'ve been told...
But good news none the less... :)
STFU
The British SAS and indeed the desert rats both have a long history of desert warfare !
British SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>aussie SAS
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wonder what they gonna do with him
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It\'s America - he\'ll probably "kill himself"...
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A nice candlelight dinner with is old bum chum D. Rumsfeld ;)
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Originally posted by ooseven
STFU
The British SAS and indeed the desert rats both have a long history of desert warfare !
British SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>aussie SAS
yeah, but you gotta admit, those aussies dig a mean latrine. ;)
j/k
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Originally posted by mm
wonder what they gonna do with him
Form a line to kick his ass. I got a "two kicks for the price of one" coupon. :p Steel toed boots are your friends.
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They should do a celebrity boxing match on FOX, Bush vs Saddam. Winner = president of USA.
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Outstanding news and for those who can\'t see past their own ideology, na, na, na, na!:p
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Let\'s just hope it doesn\'t encourage more crazy jihad lovin\' people to do more terrorist actions.
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Originally posted by ooseven
STFU
The British SAS and indeed the desert rats both have a long history of desert warfare !
British SAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>aussie SAS
I\'m sure they do, how many deserts are there in britain again?
Aussies are TRAINED in desert warfare blah blah blah.
Aussie SAS OWNZ Brit SAS, even the yanks admit that. ;)
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I didn\'t even know Australlia had a military. And wtf is SAS anyway.
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Special Air Service
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Aussies are TRAINED in desert warfare blah blah blah.
Aussie SAS OWNZ Brit SAS, even the yanks admit that. ;)
I always wondered what talking through your arse sounded like.
Thanks for showing us.
:D
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Why do you have to have a desert to be trained in desert warfare?
You don\'t train for combat in your own country. You train for elements of countries you plan to invade.
So yes, it is highly probably that the Euros are highly trained in desert warfare.
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*hands vid a cookie*
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and the aussies have trained kangaroos on their side, that has to count for something
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google..
use it.
Vid here\'s just a small example of the difference between living and training in a country that has desert, to one that does not.
This is to do with bush fire etc.
23 July, 2002, Aussie fire fighters went to USA help Americans to put out wildfires that were sweeping across 12 of your states. Sense, from your ideas. People get trained in all aspects as good as a country that LIVES in bush/desert land. America shouldn\'t have needed any aussies what so ever. But they did, why i wonder?
http://www.forest.nsw.gov.au/currentaffairs/releases/230702.asp
I know, because Australia are TRAINED in depth in bush firefighter, just as the Australian SAS are in desert Warfare.
Australia is a multi climate country. We have everything from snow, desert to thick forest. Hence our people get trained in all aspects all the time.
It\'s like, Iceland for example. (not sure if they have SAS) but if they did, do u think a country that has hardly no snow, would do better then a country that\'s got shit loads?
ps, why you brits getting so shitty. I just gave alittle back to ooseven. ;)
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hey, remember that time we caught saddam?
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lol, exactly what i was thinking ^ =]
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How in the hell did this thread turn into a dick measuring contest between Australia, UK, and the USA? Keep it on topic for christ\'s sake.
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Originally posted by ViVi
I didn\'t even know Australlia had a military. And wtf is SAS anyway.
Pretty much every country has some kind of military man. Not usually their own equipment. Its either Soviet equipment or very old American equipment. We sold numerous countries F-4 Phantoms, F16A\'s, old F-15\'s, some countries even still use F-86 Sabres.
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Good point Core.. I think the Aussies just have a little dick complex. It\'s alright.
And what in the world does using some man power from Australia to put out fires have anything to do with SAS? It\'s not like we don\'t know how to fight out fires. Shit, they happen every year. We just needed more manpower.
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Pfft, SAS, Navy Seals.. all over hyped crap, hyped via Media. :p
The most impressive special forces are the Spetsnaz.. ;)
Hey, its not me saying it.. but Military folks..
But enough of that, do you think the attacks will stop? I saw Robert Fisk (remember him?) on Agenda (program on TV), he said the attacks might INCREASE, because there already were several terrorist groups and tribes in the area that were afraid to do anything because they thought Saddam might get back into power.. now that is not going to happen, so now its home free for them.
He also said most of the terrorist that have attacked Americans are Iraqis, and not so much foreign terrorist as people thought first.
They also showed a video from a French ( :rolleyes: ) tv team who got to go with some of the “Freedom fighters” on their raids.
Ill check if they have the video up on the website.. crap, not yet.. Maybe tomorrow.
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250 million people and you don\'t have the man power.. :rolleyes: Vid, you talk about small dick complex, atleast have the dick to admit that sometimes, america needs help, and it\'s not because of man power.
anyway, hopefully Saddam gets trialed in Iraq, Death penalty hopefully.
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Whats the purpose of a trial? How many people has he killed and how could it not be his fault? I say they should march him through every street in Baghdad.
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We\'ll 1/2 of them are caught...all we need now is Osama, and honestly Osama is probably the only person American\'s should want. Sure Hussaid killed many people, but all the accusation that GWB cursed him with ...*cough*nukes**cough*...were all fake. But its ok right? They caught him so we can forget our president for lying to us a couple of thousand times.
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^^
wants to have congical visit with Saddam
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I never said he shouln\'t be sentenced. I\'m just stating the obvious, this "catch" is going to distract people even further from the fact that we were lied to.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
I\'m sure they do, how many deserts are there in britain again?
Aussies are TRAINED in desert warfare blah blah blah.
Aussie SAS OWNZ Brit SAS, even the yanks admit that. ;)
Errr
The British SAS wrote the BOOK on modern desert warfare.
they Started life as the deep/long desert patrols during WWII.
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sigh, and i\'m sure they continue to train everyday in it with modern weapons etc etc. You guys wrote the book on cricket. Yet we still kick your ass. Another example on how things change.
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we also wrote the book on Rugby too ;)
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bah, i hate rugby.... It was a one off "shakes fist"
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
bah, i hate rugby.... It was a one off "shakes fist"
What about the previous 4 or 5 times in a row when England beat Australia? where they one offs as well?
What about beating NZ 4 times in a row? where they one offs?
It wasn\'t a fluke when England beat Australia, they beat them becuase they were the best team in the world, and are already being lined up as favourites for the next world cup..
The only thing you are truly better than us at, is cricket, and to be honest, 97% of England couldn\'t give a flying fcuk about that anyway.
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Guys guys guys... who gives a crap about who helped who, who has the bigger penis (clearly I do) and so on.
This topic was about the capture of Saddam Hussein.
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It amazes me that not a single shot was fired, what with all those jumpy Marines around.
600 men wasn\'t it !!!!
Anyways, all\'s well that starts shit. Time to try and catch the real threat now. :rolleyes:
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looks like the Iranians have already put a charge against him for the use of chemical wepaons during the Iran/Iraq war…
:laughing: Ol “sold is soul to satin” Donald Rumsfeld must be craping his pants:laughing:
Let him hang like saddam i say :D
link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3320717.stm
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Originally posted by Cerberus
What about the previous 4 or 5 times in a row when England beat Australia? where they one offs as well?
What about beating NZ 4 times in a row? where they one offs?
It wasn\'t a fluke when England beat Australia, they beat them becuase they were the best team in the world, and are already being lined up as favourites for the next world cup..
The only thing you are truly better than us at, is cricket, and to be honest, 97% of England couldn\'t give a flying fcuk about that anyway.
Australia won 2 world cups before this one if i remember right (91 and 99)... (correct me if i\'m wrong)
As for your cricket bullshit. Good excuse dood, we suck at cricket so we don\'t give a f@#k about it, yea sure whatever. Guess you say the same thing about tennis ;)
Ohh, and Australia isn\'t NZ.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Ohh, and Australia isn\'t NZ.
We know, we just don\'t win that much and so are enjoying gloating a little. Plus NZ used to be totally rock-hard.
;)
Oh and I can\'t wait to see what Rumsfeld has to say to all this. I wouldn\'t bother packing up yet lads, next target Iran.
:laughing:
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Originally posted by ooseven
we also wrote the book on Rugby too ;)
What are you talking about? Scotland got their ass kicked. ;)
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Good excuse dood, we suck at cricket so we don\'t give a f@#k about it
You got that the wrong way round, we suck at it because the majority of the county find it hard to get excited about a bunch of blokes standing in the middle of a field for hours on end, spending most of the time rubbing a red ball on their crotch and throwing it to each other, whilst inbetween, breaking for breakfast, elevensies, lunch, tea, and whenever there is one drop of rain, it\'s just too boring to appeal to us, even Americans can see that.
The majority of England couldn\'t care less about the game, even if we DID invent it, cricket in England will NEVER rival the other major sports.
And before you say you are better than us at swimming, swimming isn\'t a sport, it\'s something you do to stop yourself drowning.
:D ;)
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Originally posted by Cerberus
And before you say you are better than us at swimming, swimming isn\'t a sport, it\'s something you do to stop yourself drowning.
:laughing: :laughing:
Love it!!
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
What are you talking about? Scotland got their ass kicked. ;)
Shhhh ;)
anyway back on topic... has anyone herd Prez Bush Press confrence ?
it was just on the radio and at the part when he was talkig about Iran and their Nuclear weapons programme it was almost like he was saying.
"better not look at us funny or YOUR NEXT ! " ;)
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just face it, you\'re all ghey.
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Originally posted by theomen
just face it, you\'re all ghey.
And so is Rugby,Tennis,cricket and swimming.
Oh and soccer.
Back to topic:
I think when you yanks find Osama put him pay per view against Saddam in a fight to the death. Might be able to make some money back to resupply your rockets and bombs. :D
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actually saddam can really have a decent defense if taken to trial
to this day..no wmd..the reason u.s. went to war...not to liberate iraq..
as far as charging him for crimes to his people..it\'s states it right there HIS PEOPLE..not saying it\'s right what he did, but in some countries they\'ll cut your hand for stealing. This sort of thing is not unheard of. It was the way of his gov\'t that\'s all ..was it right? of course not but if that\'s the case the us should liberating the whole world.
i think people should really sit back & reflect on why we really went to war...somebody had to be made an example after 911
i was against the war & gettin saddam was good..only because i\'m hoping it will stop the suicide attacks. but after all is said & done imo i feel saddam could actually get off if his case is given perfectly. the u.s. entered iraq under false pretenses & if there are no wmd ..they might be able to flip it around & charge the u.s.
i say all this to say that yes in general saddam treated his people badly, i just felt there was no need for war in the first place. sanctions kept saddam in check.
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Well Clips in that logic, Hitler and his nazi friends couldn\'t have been tried for what they did to the jewish people because they were Hitler\'s people. I know it\'s a bit of a stretch but you see my point. Just because he ruled does not give him the right to be inhumane.
Edit: yes i know it\'s hypocritical because the US allows other countries in the past and present do these things (and sometimes support them), but it is a legitamate reason.
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Actualy Hitler invaded many countries, and also killed their people.
For example, Poland...
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hitler went through alittle more then he\'s own country. Then he decided to step on the toes of what he wanted to be the most..
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hence I said a stretch.....but saddam did infact step on a few toes during his reign.....
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Originally posted by Phil
hence I said a stretch.....but saddam did infact step on a few toes during his reign.....
i agree & i also was for the 1st gulf war..he was involved in some serious aggression..no doubt he had to be dealt with.
like i stated in an earlier post, i actually like some of bush\'s plans for the country domestically,.but his foreign policies has some serious issues.
up until the iraq war bush acted incredibly arrogant! he stated iraq was an immediate threat, when they was not. you can tell he was going to go to war whether the american people liked it or not.
and what was with all the hatin on the french? just because a country doesn\'t agree with our ideals or motives makes them enemy #1? the only thing france russia and china stated was just let the inspectors do their thing. hell new york city went as far as to have all the license plates with the statue of liberty on them obsolete, and if you kept it on your car over a certain date you would be fined heavily..pathetic.
this may sound corny but the pres needs to read a simple statement from the 1st spider man comic. "with great power comes great responsibility" i support what\'s goin on in afgahnastan (spelling) but if your gonna put troops in harms way,it better be for a good cause & your info on the enemy better be true..not well we thought he had this & that or that you had bad intelligence.
bfore the war started they had this army gen.(don\'t remember his name) talkin about yea we expect to take on this many casualties but it will be extremely low. don\'t get me wrong i know the guys in the military know the risks but when people talk like that it\'s just like they\'re sayin it\'s ok they\'re dispensible. these are american lives not a chess game. k i ranted enough.
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I can\'t believe some of you *ahem* clips still defend this guy. Clips you are wrong plain and simple. Saddam was kept in check? You must be joking...
As far as the whole argument about American soldiers losing their lives... yes it is unfortunate that we take casualties, but its reality and it is those people who can\'t stomach even one American death that will be the downfall of this country. Our enemies know the American public is weak when it comes to US troop casualties and is eager to exploit it.
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Simple fact is that Americans seem to be a shitload jumpier about everything since 9/11.
The Brits especially just shrug off terrorist threats as we lived with that crap for 30 years with the IRA.
According to most Brits Saddam was contained and non-dangerous to anyone but the immediate surrounding area. I can understand American\'s views, not much terrorism and then two 737\'s into the buildings you were most proud of.
My strong opinion is that Bush wanted Saddam, 9/11 was a perfect reason, I mean hey, he\'s Arabic and we\'ve had problems with him in the past, he must have something to do with it!
It\'s pointless arguing any more about it though, so I\'m not going to get into any more discussions on it from this point forth, thing\'s were very tense between people here during the war, me being one of them. Maybe we can discuss Saddams possible punishment, how to build a new Iraq and the hope that we may still catch Bin Laden instead of arguing personal points that will never be agreed on, kind of like the European constitution!
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Originally posted by clips
actually saddam can really have a decent defense if taken to trial
to this day..no wmd..the reason u.s. went to war...not to liberate iraq..
Bluffing WMD is a war crime in itself so if that is what happened then he is still guilty.
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Green, my point is the war is over... and Saddam has been captured... and this a bad thing? Whether you were for or against the war prior to it happening shouldn\'t cloud anyones judgement as to what type of ruler Saddam was. I have no problem with someone who has the opinion we shouldn\'t have gone to war, but I do have problems with people who think we are wrong for capturing Saddam after the war is over.
I also don\'t think capturing Bin Laden is going to stop Islamic terrorists... another will fill his shoes. It is a certain segment of that religion that is dead set on converting the entire world, killing its perceived enemies (ie. the West) or die trying.
I respect your posts Green and the only post that really ticked me off was clips... ;)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
but I do have problems with people who think we are wrong for capturing Saddam after the war is over.
I think now he\'s been caught he should be left to mob justice by the Iraqi people. He\'d be dead in minutes and all the discussion over what to do with him would be nullified.
I know it\'s a bit of a non-western solution but I think they should have first dibs, only fair really seeing all the crap they put up with.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Green, my point is the war is over... and Saddam has been captured... and this a bad thing? Whether you were for or against the war prior to it happening shouldn\'t cloud anyones judgement as to what type of ruler Saddam was. I have no problem with someone who has the opinion we shouldn\'t have gone to war, but I do have problems with people who think we are wrong for capturing Saddam after the war is over.
I also don\'t think capturing Bin Laden is going to stop Islamic terrorists... another will fill his shoes. It is a certain segment of that religion that is dead set on converting the entire world, killing its perceived enemies (ie. the West) or die trying.
I respect your posts Green and the only post that really ticked me off was clips... ;)
ok i knew i was going to catch heat for that. But i\'am not defending saddam & you know i don\'t think it\'s wrong that we caught him read my post. Now we do know north korea has wmd right? And they was talkin mo s**t than saddam ever did. what did we do? hmm naw let\'s have a group hug & get everybody in on it c\'mon let\'s talk. fact: if saddam had wmd he would have used them.fact : bush went from sayin he had wmd to he had a wmd programs. and yes we were keepin saddam in check.
every now & then you would hear on the news brits & u.s. strike strategic targets in iraq (i\'m talkin bfore the war) now bfore you cats start sayin get out the country or such garbage..yes saddam was ruthless & america is the best country to live in. Now of course i feel we have to stay & clean it up. no question all i\'ve been saying all along is that those soldiers lives didn\'t have to be sacrificed if there was no real threat. hell north korea stated they was ready to bring death to the u.s.
i think you guys remember some years back when an american was whipped with an iron board in another country? the u.s did nothing i think...forgot how it went down but i say that to say it\'s how iraq ran the gov\'t wrong yes! same s**t goes down in countries in africa, is u.s. helping them..no. giga yes i feel strongly on this issue & i feel we can continue to debate this without you wanting to put a big Clip thorough the screen get it clip?;)
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Well I heard the U.S. has troops in South Korea keeping an eye on the whole North Korea deal.
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Originally posted by Skyrider666
Well I heard the U.S. has troops in South Korea keeping an eye on the whole North Korea deal.
we\'ve always had troops in s.korea. my thing is iraq stated they didn\'t have wmd (not sure if it\'s true or not) & bush was like i don\'t care bla bla bla. n.korea said yea we have wmd & the means to deliver em What? we got sumpthin\' fo that a** is what they told the u.s.
don\'t get me wrong u.s. better not call n.koreas bluff,hell who knows what might happen.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I can\'t believe some of you *ahem* clips still defend this guy. Clips you are wrong plain and simple. Saddam was kept in check? You must be joking...
As far as the whole argument about American soldiers losing their lives... yes it is unfortunate that we take casualties, but its reality and it is those people who can\'t stomach even one American death that will be the downfall of this country. Our enemies know the American public is weak when it comes to US troop casualties and is eager to exploit it.
As long as it isn\'t you dying...right?
I really don\'t care if Saddam was captured or not. But in this case, he was so good for us. Anyways, the war is not "over". I don\'t think that because they caught Saddam all the Anti-US feelings are going to suddenly stop. And you got to remember, Osama is still missing and in reality, he is the one that commited the true horrors to this country.
Like I said, GWB is slowly but surely covering up his lies....
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The American people as a whole are easily distracted and GWB did a good job at exploiting that. I bet 95% of the people forget who Osama is or why exactly we went to war. As long as we got them "towl heads" right? I understand we needed to bring Saddam to justice and we did, but there are bigger problems in the world right now compared to him. N. Korea and Osama both pose a serious threat to American security, and most everyone are completely uninformed about it. The sad truth is, we\'d be waist deep in shit if we did something to N. Korea. They aren\'t pushovers like Iraq. They can retaliate and retaliate with a lot of force. That\'s exactly why we\'re talking to them and not going to war like we did with Iraq. GWB knows what he needs to do to stay in office and he\'s doing a damn good job at it. Too bad that\'s not what he needs to do to be a good president.
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Originally posted by Phil
The American people as a whole are easily distracted and GWB did a good job at exploiting that. I bet 95% of the people forget who Osama is or why exactly we went to war. As long as we got them "towl heads" right? I understand we needed to bring Saddam to justice and we did, but there are bigger problems in the world right now compared to him. N. Korea and Osama both pose a serious threat to American security, and most everyone are completely uninformed about it. The sad truth is, we\'d be waist deep in shit if we did something to N. Korea. They aren\'t pushovers like Iraq. They can retaliate and retaliate with a lot of force. That\'s exactly why we\'re talking to them and not going to war like we did with Iraq. GWB knows what he needs to do to stay in office and he\'s doing a damn good job at it. Too bad that\'s not what he needs to do to be a good president.
let\'s see..touched on how americans are like sheep.(check)
touched on truth about n.korea (check)
touched on who is the true enemy osama (check)
my issue about us entering iraq not touched on. but very well put :)
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Originally posted by Skyrider666
Well I heard the U.S. has troops in South Korea keeping an eye on the whole North Korea deal.
No kidding... My dad is stationed in South Korea right now.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
As long as it isn\'t you dying...right?
I really don\'t care if Saddam was captured or not. But in this case, he was so good for us. Anyways, the war is not "over". I don\'t think that because they caught Saddam all the Anti-US feelings are going to suddenly stop. And you got to remember, Osama is still missing and in reality, he is the one that commited the true horrors to this country.
Like I said, GWB is slowly but surely covering up his lies....
Hey little man, I have served my country and put my life on the line... its part of the job. Not that I don\'t feel for the families of every soldier lost, but since I have experience and have served my country I don\'t think you have a leg to stand on. Unlike you, I am not a punk little kid who hasn\'t seen life and some of the truly horrible things people do to one another.
As I stated before Osama means nothing, do you think terrorism is magically going to stop when he is captured or killed? :rolleyes:
Also what lies are you referring to? Could it be your constant bitterness that GWB didn\'t give illegal aliens a free pass for citizenship in this country perhaps? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by clips
let\'s see..touched on how americans are like sheep.(check)
touched on truth about n.korea (check)
touched on who is the true enemy osama (check)
my issue about us entering iraq not touched on. but very well put :)
For the love of God, stop whining about a war that has already happened. We had this argument, um lets see last March? Go beat your drums of appeasment somewhere else. :rolleyes:
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There\'s no such thing as "his people"...
Iraqis are not Hussein\'s people just like Americans are not GWB\'s people...
You murder, you\'re a murderer, you should be brought to justice...
Simple, no?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
For the love of God, stop whining about a war that has already happened. We had this argument, um lets see last March? Go beat your drums of appeasment somewhere else. :rolleyes:
nobody\'s whining. And if you Think the war is over just because
bush says so, you\'re more sheep than i can imagine.
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Originally posted by Ashford
There\'s no such thing as "his people"...
Iraqis are not Hussein\'s people just like Americans are not GWB\'s people...
You murder, you\'re a murderer, you should be brought to justice...
Simple, no?
point is we didn\'t go to war to liberate the iraq people? no?
ps: giga i respect the fact that you served. not takin that away,
but you can\'t deny the facts..saddam had to be made example &
bush knew us could take \'em. not n.korea tho.
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In all reality when\'s the last time we went to war for a legitimate reason. The fact is, we go to war because of government agenda not good will. There is no point arguing about why we went to war because only the president and congress really know. What they tell American citizens is not the whole truth, and sometimes not even the half truth.
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Originally posted by clips
nobody\'s whining. And if you Think the war is over just because
bush says so, you\'re more sheep than i can imagine.
I never said the war was for the liberation of the Iraqi people - I couldn\'t care less about them... ask anyone who argued this topic during the war. I said it was about removing the threat of Saddam to the region and the US.
Anyway,
N Korea is another story. Your logic makes no sense as you are gung ho on invading a country that has nuclear capabilities, yet are opposed to an invasion that prevented a certain country from obtaining that capability.
Our troops invade N. Korea - N. Korea defends itself by nuking our troops - if that ever happened you would have a good reason to cry about US casualties because the couple of hundred you see in Iraq are a drop in the bucket compared to what another Korean conflict would be.
I don\'t think there is a person on this board (Republican, Democrat or Independent) who would say North Korea is not a problem. It is just a more complex problem than Iraq. Why you ask? Read the next paragraph.
The Clinton policy of APPEASEMENT did not work with N. Korea - and some of you think it "was working" with Saddam. That is what they though about North Korea back in the \'90\'s. :rolleyes:
Appeasement does not work with dictators - it never has and it never will.
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Diddn\'t we have a policy of appeasement with Hitler? Oh wait yes we did. Giga has a point. Damnit I need to stay away from this hitler crap.
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I think sirmystiq got owned by giga
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i never said we should go guns blazin in n.korea. read i said u.s.
should not call their bluff. but bush was so vocal on someone that
MIGHT have wmd. bush was yelling at iraq..n.korea taps him on the shoulder "um yea we have weapons see? bush replies "i hear you but i can\'t see you" so by your logic you\'re saying
countries that don\'t have wmd yet. let\'s just go shut them down
quick end of strory while people with wmd lets\' just leave them alone(ps i\'m being a little sarcastic as i know it\'s a sticky situation with them having weapons.which brings me to this conclusion.
there\'s gotta be a reason why we\'re hated so much in those countries mostly muslim. maybe it\'s time u.s. actually took the time to find out why. of course i don\'t feel we need to kiss anyone\'s ass, but i feel it\'s more than we side with israel. but i also feel that i don\'t care how much hatred you have for a country,there\'s no need for suicide bombers and the like..none. now i don\'t know what the deal is with israel & palestinians, but that is uncalled for freedom fighters? i\'d have to seriously question that. or maybe it could be people just hate for whatever reason. skin color maybe? hmpf ever since 911 the arabs have taken some heat off of me, as i can now go through the nice white suburbs without being stopped:D ok i was just joking.
any giga i respect your thoughts & leave it at that;)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Hey little man, I have served my country and put my life on the line... its part of the job. Not that I don\'t feel for the families of every soldier lost, but since I have experience and have served my country I don\'t think you have a leg to stand on. Unlike you, I am not a punk little kid who hasn\'t seen life and some of the truly horrible things people do to one another.
As I stated before Osama means nothing, do you think terrorism is magically going to stop when he is captured or killed? :rolleyes:
Also what lies are you referring to? Could it be your constant bitterness that GWB didn\'t give illegal aliens a free pass for citizenship in this country perhaps? :rolleyes:
Listen General, it\'s all good that you served this country and I guess I should thank you for it. Thank you.
But you are not out there right now, yes it\'s the soldiers job to do what they are doing, but do they have to be out there? No. I sure as hell wouln\'t want to be a family memeber of those who died, why don\'t you go ask their opinion on the subject?
I never said Osama was the key to the end. In fact, I said there wasn\'t going to be an end. Osama was the one that organized the murder and destruction of the World Trade Center, seems to me like you forgot that. It seems to me like everybody forgot that. Osama was the only true criminal against this country at the time the war began, all this people, like you said don\'t "Care" about the people of Iraq. Well let\'s see, how many times has GWB said something about the "Iraqui people can now be calm" or tried to bring in how "good" the situation for the Iraqi people is going to be? ALL THE TIME. You know why, b/c he knows if he was to express his true carelessness, as you have suggested, about this people, he would have a pole up his ass.
I don\'t know why you keep bringing that subject on, but hey yes that was a lie. The nukes were a lie. The whole threat to America by Iraq was probably a lie also.
And I like being a punk little kid. I\'ll rather be that than an old patriotic fool who can\'t see past his own nose and doesn\'t give a damn about other people, as long as his ass is alright.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Listen General, it\'s all good that you served this country and I guess I should thank you for it. Thank you.
But you are not out there right now, yes it\'s the soldiers job to do what they are doing, but do they have to be out there? No. I sure as hell wouln\'t want to be a family memeber of those who died, why don\'t you go ask their opinion on the subject?
I never said Osama was the key to the end. In fact, I said there wasn\'t going to be an end. Osama was the one that organized the murder and destruction of the World Trade Center, seems to me like you forgot that. It seems to me like everybody forgot that. Osama was the only true criminal against this country at the time the war began, all this people, like you said don\'t "Care" about the people of Iraq. Well let\'s see, how many times has GWB said something about the "Iraqui people can now be calm" or tried to bring in how "good" the situation for the Iraqi people is going to be? ALL THE TIME. You know why, b/c he knows if he was to express his true carelessness, as you have suggested, about this people, he would have a pole up his ass.
I don\'t know why you keep bringing that subject on, but hey yes that was a lie. The nukes were a lie. The whole threat to America by Iraq was probably a lie also.
And I like being a punk little kid. I\'ll rather be that than an old patriotic fool who can\'t see past his own nose and doesn\'t give a damn about other people, as long as his ass is alright.
Oh where to start? Osama was the only true criminal against this country concerning 9/11? I am sure you believe Osama single handedly coordinated, trained and funded the hijackers right? I am sure he had no help from others - maybe others in a country like Iraq? Terrorism is not ONE person.
The reason I keep bringing up the immigration issue is because you blatently stated that is why you hated him. You are one of those people that no matter what Bush does you will find a reason to hate him and his policies. :rolleyes:
First of all you couldn\'t have a family member in the Armed Forces due to their citizenship status and secondly, most families support their sons and daughters choice to serve this country. Have we heard any families of those KIA blaming our government? NO. This is something you will never understand Mystiq - its called self sacrifice.
The only "lie" I remember is the report about Iraqi agents trying to obtain uranium... that was the CIA, not Bush.
Lastly, even though you are a wussy little punk... you are right, I only care about this country, its people and its safety. Including yours.
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Originally posted by Phil
The sad truth is, we\'d be waist deep in shit if we did something to N. Korea. They aren\'t pushovers like Iraq. They can retaliate and retaliate with a lot of force.
If we went to war, and it is a bluff, N. Korea will be pushovers. The problem is, there is no reason to go to work with North Korea. Yes they may have WMD but so do we. In fact we have more than any other nation. So if we go with the logic with did with Iraq, should the entire world attack us? Here\'s an idea Bush, stop putting you nose in places it doesn\'t belong and fix the issues at home first. Stop being a parent to the rest of the world. Now with that said, if there were to be a war, enlist me right away baby... SEMPER FI
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Originally posted by ooseven
looks like the Iranians have already put a charge against him for the use of chemical wepaons during the Iran/Iraq war…
:laughing: Ol “sold is soul to satin” Donald Rumsfeld must be craping his pants:laughing:
Let him hang like saddam i say :D
link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3320717.stm
God Dammit! GIVE US A ****ING BREAK
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Oh where to start? Osama was the only true criminal against this country concerning 9/11? I am sure you believe Osama single handedly coordinated, trained and funded the hijackers right? I am sure he had no help from others - maybe others in a country like Iraq? Terrorism is not ONE person.
The reason I keep bringing up the immigration issue is because you blatently stated that is why you hated him. You are one of those people that no matter what Bush does you will find a reason to hate him and his policies. :rolleyes:
First of all you couldn\'t have a family member in the Armed Forces due to their citizenship status and secondly, most families support their sons and daughters choice to serve this country. Have we heard any families of those KIA blaming our government? NO. This is something you will never understand Mystiq - its called self sacrifice.
The only "lie" I remember is the report about Iraqi agents trying to obtain uranium... that was the CIA, not Bush.
Lastly, even though you are a wussy little punk... you are right, I only care about this country, its people and its safety. Including yours.
Why are you taking everything so literal? Osama planned the attacks, he probably funded them, and he is the one that basically got it all together, isn\'t that what GWB and his Government said?
Your grip on this whole subject has been about immigration. Did I say I hated GWB b/c he didn\'t do what he said? Probably, but I didn\'t like him to begin with, he\'s a Republican. Second, my uncle just joined the navy and my two older cousins are in the Army Reserve.
You know what lies I mean. Everybody does...GWB says "Hussain has WMD"..."it is for the safety of out people"...then he pays a "surprise" visit to Iraq...Maybe he didn\'t want his plane to get shot down? Yeah, that\'s how safe it is.
Well it sucks that you feel that way. Sooner or later your country is going to be the one that needs the help...we\'ll see how many people turn their heads and only worry about "their safety"
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
. Second, my uncle just joined the navy and my two older cousins are in the Army Reserve.
You know what lies I mean. Everybody does...GWB says "Hussain has WMD"..."it is for the safety of out people"...then he pays a "surprise" visit to Iraq...Maybe he didn\'t want his plane to get shot down? Yeah, that\'s how safe it is.
Well it sucks that you feel that way. Sooner or later your country is going to be the one that needs the help...we\'ll see how many people turn their heads and only worry about "their safety"
Mexico has a navy!?!?!?!?!?
Anyway why the hell would the President of the United States announce his travel plans to a war zone? You are an idiot my friend.
What is this "your" country nonsense? Are you not an American citizen?
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Yes...I meant my uncle in Mexico...you caught me :sarcasm:
When I heard about it on TV, they never mentioned that it was a "surprise" because of the danger. I knew it was, but I found it funny how they made it seems like Bush really was going to "surprise" them.
When I said "yours" I was talking in general. Any country with people with ideas of "me first, you later" will have some kind of conflict and then they\'ll need somebody\'s help. Yup, Born here in US soil!!
Anyways, So it\'s all good. Im kind of in a good mood right now so I can clearly see what you are talking about. Yes, Saddamn was a threat. Yes, it\'s all gravy he was caught. Yes, Im happy now. But, GWB shouln\'t make it seem as if he was the key to the war on terror...b/c he wasn\'t.
Merry Christmas/Hannukah/Pagan holiday...