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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Seed_Of_Evil on December 26, 2003, 03:22:31 PM
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It\'s incredible, but news spent today more time on the mad cow of USA and the rains over California than on the earthquake in south Iran, where there are officialy, and, for the moment, more than 20,000 deads.
The city of Bam, with 180,000 inhabitants is totally destroyed, even its great fortress, one of Iran\'s jewels. 60% of homes have collapsed in this city.
The eathquake, 6,3 in Richer Scale, lasted 30 seconds. The one of California, with 6,5, only killed 2 people.
Anyway, humans\' lifes are not worth the same in every part of the world. If this happens in UK or USA, we would have special programmes, Breaking News Specials, and the same video running for about 2 months.
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Originally posted by Seed_Of_Evil
Anyway, humans\' lifes are not worth the same in every part of the world. If this happens in UK or USA, we would have special programmes, Breaking News Specials, and the same video running for about 2 months.
Agreed..
A "funny" thing I noticed on TV4\'s Text-TV was, when the power failure happened in the US, TV4\'s Front page had a flashing "EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA" sign, but when this happened in Iran nothing of that sort.
SVT is better though.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that TV4 even had a extra newscast when the power failure happened. :rolleyes:
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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=4047884
It\'s not being completely overlooked. You have to remember most broadcast stations are run by the Americans and right now Iran and the U.S. aren\'t best of friends.
Besides USA is the only country that matters. ;)
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Hmmm, let me think of what affects me. The power outage bothers me more than 20,000 deaths on the other side of the globe.
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Yeah screw em.
:rolleyes:
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In what way did I say screw em\'???
It\'s just what I need to know versus what is sad. I don\'t need to know in a "hey hey hey" fashion that 20,000 people died.
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I was simply reflecting on the general attitude by overexagerating the lack of care.
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Some people just don\'t know how to handle things like this. Until somehow puts a relation involving themselves they just don\'t realize how big the number 20,000 is. Hell, thats almost the entire suburb I live in.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Hmmm, let me think of what affects me. The power outage bothers me more than 20,000 deaths on the other side of the globe.
It\'s sad that general americans\' attitude use to coincide with yours. You and only you.
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To be blunt, not everyone gives a shit.
Wth is up with white god too, why can\'t you be a brother god?
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Yeah really. God is fake anyway, so he could be any color...
Wasn\'t there a bigger earthquake in California and no one died?
SOunds like someone needs to look into the Iranian building inspectors. ;)
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Yea, because the city was not made to withstand suck an earthquake most of the city was destroyed and it wiped out 1/4 the population.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Wth is up with white god too, why can\'t you be a brother god?
:laughing:
+1
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is deads the plural of dead?
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The thing about Bam (other then the now tragically appropriate name) is, those buildings have been around for, 2000 years or so. While the oldest buildings in California have been around maybe 300. Given the construction of the buildings, it is a wonder that they survived for so long. It also means that the area isn\'t as earthquake prone as California.
Still, with the billions Iran is getting from oil sales, you would think they would fund ways to reinforce the buildings. You know, help the people? Why I\'m glad I live in a free nation instead of mad fundamentalist mullahs.
As for should we care? Yes and no. There are many people suffering in the world. I\'m not going to stop my life because some millions of people are dying because of hunger, or in this case, 20,000 dead from a natural disaster (even heard the numbers could be as high as 40,000 :eek: ). However, that doesn\'t make this event any more tragic. That doesn\'t mean, that no one should help them. Many nations are helping Iran with the rescure and recovery effort (even Israel and the US. Both who are enemies of Iran [at least the government of Iran]). Just that, no one here should lose too much sleep over it either.
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Originally posted by videoholic
is deads the plural of dead?
Sorry Mr. Shakespeare.
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Next time I give God a call I am going to tell Him what you are saying.
Yes it is sad and depressing and not every American cares about Mad Cow more than they do about 20,000 deads.
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20,000 less people breathing my air. My lungs feel better already.
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Originally posted by Ace
Yes it is sad and depressing and not every American cares about Mad Cow more than they do about 20,000 deads.
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Originally posted by Capcom
20,000 less people breathing my air. My lungs feel better already.
this is my solar system!!!! get out!!!! :(
:laughing:
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This thread was so funny I think I\'m done grieving for the 40,000 deads.
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dayam screw you guys, I was all sad opening this thread now I\'m chuckling.
Yes this is a tragedy, maybe these pictures will give you an inkling of what they\'re feeling over in Iran... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3808904/
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No one has mentioned it yet because it\'s so wonderful hating US because we are such a mad super power, but here it goes.
Even though Iran is part of Busch\'s "Axis of evil," we just sent over $150,000 worth of medical supplies. Yeah, the US is full of dickheads.
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All this done was saved Bush and our goverment money. We would of bombed them eventually. Under the Bush Adminstration, will bomb any country that disagree\'s with us.
As for this.
Uhm...Yeah, 20,000, eh?
Bummer.
Let\'s look on the bright side...It wasn\'t 30,000!
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Iran\'s press says they don\'t appreciate the U.S. rescue people helping them out.
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WHy would they appreciate it? They hate us.. It doesn\'t matter what the US does. You\'re damned if you do...don\'t.... I mean look at what LIC wrote. He\'d probably go swimming in a pool and bitch that the water is too wet.
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Even if Iran said that, I am pretty sure the survivors of the earthquakes may have losts their relatives from it and are probably thankful that U. S. at least help them out a little even though Us is their enemy country. Just because majority or whatever Iranians hated U. S. A. doesn\'t mean all Iranians hated us. I am pretty sure some injuring victims from the quakes are thankful for the help. If not all, at least some.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
All this done was saved Bush and our goverment money. We would of bombed them eventually. Under the Bush Adminstration, will bomb any country that disagree\'s with us.
As for this.
Uhm...Yeah, 20,000, eh?
Bummer.
Let\'s look on the bright side...It wasn\'t 30,000!
You truely are the most ignorant member in the forum.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
All this done was saved Bush and our goverment money. We would of bombed them eventually. Under the Bush Adminstration, will bomb any country that disagree\'s with us.
You don\'t really believe this do you? :confused:
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Dangit... Bush wasted the perfect opportunity to invade Iran... I mean how much more vulnerable could Iran get?
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:rolleyes:
My, the ignorance here is amazing. Look, I hate the REGIME in Iran. NOT the people. In fact, unlike most of the Middle Eastern Muslims towards their dictators, MANY Iranians DESPISE THE MULLAHS! Many were born after the revoluation and have no ill will towards Americans. In fact, the only thing they do know, the despair they have CAUSED by the Mullahs! Also, many Iranians have illegal satellite which shows a better life beyond the American hating government. Which in turn, makes the PEOPLE of Iran more pro-American, pro-West then the government (and other people in the Middle East).
This website talks about the struggle (especially the young people of Iran) towards democracy there. This website also has many photos of people doing something you will not find in other Middle Eastern nations. Uprising, speaking out against their government, and even Iranians CONDEMNING 9-11.
http://www.daneshjoo.org/
Don\'t take the propaganda spewed from their government as the voice of the people.
And yes, I do care. I wish the Iranian people well and hope that true change can happen after this tragedy. In fact, I despise the fact that Mad Cow, which has yet shown to be any problem here AND hasn\'t killed anyone in this nation, gets more coverage then this earthquake. A true tragedy on any scale. All I\'m saying though is, I\'m not going to lose over sleep it either. Life goes on.
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I want some mullah.
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God damn, I swear you all are idiots sometimes. Everyone is making sarcastic remarks - I make one and everyone takes me serious.
Jesus christ.
-shakes head-
No, I don\'t believe the Bush Adminstration was going to Bomb Iran.
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Now that you say you wern\'t being serious...It really makes sense that you were joking.
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You use that sarcasm card too much LIC
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Originally posted by ViVi
You use that sarcasm card too much LIC
No one has accused you of being the brighest member of the board, infact, you are usually reffered to as the dumbest member of the board, however, I figured even someone as dumb as you could figure out that it was sarcasm. There was not one serious post about the 20,000 dead Iran people and I chimed in with a non-serious post also. However, your idiotic self had to chime in with something, without ever even thinking that it may of been sarcasm.
At least Bozco put a confused face. You, however, just assumed I was serious. In that case, you may as well assume Vid was serious and the other posters who made sarcastic comments about the dead Iranian\'s.
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I was being serious I could care less.
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Originally posted by Simchoy
:rolleyes:
My, the ignorance here is amazing. Look, I hate the REGIME in Iran. NOT the people. In fact, unlike most of the Middle Eastern Muslims towards their dictators, MANY Iranians DESPISE THE MULLAHS! Many were born after the revoluation and have no ill will towards Americans. In fact, the only thing they do know, the despair they have CAUSED by the Mullahs! Also, many Iranians have illegal satellite which shows a better life beyond the American hating government. Which in turn, makes the PEOPLE of Iran more pro-American, pro-West then the government (and other people in the Middle East).
This website talks about the struggle (especially the young people of Iran) towards democracy there. This website also has many photos of people doing something you will not find in other Middle Eastern nations. Uprising, speaking out against their government, and even Iranians CONDEMNING 9-11.
http://www.daneshjoo.org/
Don\'t take the propaganda spewed from their government as the voice of the people.
And yes, I do care. I wish the Iranian people well and hope that true change can happen after this tragedy. In fact, I despise the fact that Mad Cow, which has yet shown to be any problem here AND hasn\'t killed anyone in this nation, gets more coverage then this earthquake. A true tragedy on any scale. All I\'m saying though is, I\'m not going to lose over sleep it either. Life goes on.
Don\'t confuse yourself by thinking that being informed means knowing both sides of the propaganda. Just like the government spews propaganda so does every other group on this planet. I\'m not saying that what you sent is all just bull but you have to read between the lines also. Hundreds of students protesting is far from being an uprising. I really do hope the regime is gone but if the regime is still in power it means that the majority of the general publice supports it. In fear or otherwise.
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I understand that. And NOWHERE did I say that there is any imminate uprising (I hope there is one, but, since the regime is still here today, that obviously hasn\'t happened yet).
Also, the fact that the regime is still in power doesn\'t mean that the majority supports it. It simply means that the majority STILL fear it. After all, how many of you, are willing to give what little freedom you have, your life even, to change a system you were BORN in?
A majority of Iraqis hated Saddam. Yet this majority still was not able to over throw him without the US stepping in. Don\'t believe me, try every poll released from Iraq showing the people in support of what the US did...unless you are going to say that these are propaganda too. In which case, anything can be said to be propaganda.
And note, my comments were not directed at LIC. I pretty much found it to be sarcasm. But, I will not say I\'m innocent since I, in a number of cases, have taken things too seriously.
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You did say, "This website also has many photos of people doing something you will not find in other Middle Eastern nations. Uprising , speaking out against their government, and even Iranians CONDEMNING 9-11." and I never said imminate uprising :p. I already covered the fear part in my post if you bothered reading it. Heh, at least bother reading my posts before ranting. Yes, everything is propaganda, hell look people talking on an everyday basis. We skew facts in our favor routinely. It\'s part of life. I find it hard to believe that those polls were taken by every Iraqi citizen. Neither you nor I know for sure the Iraqi people support Saddam. Eh I\'m done.
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I should have read your post a little closer before ranting. ;) My apologies.
Still, many stories have been told about the student "uprising" have shown that, at least the young people don\'t like what is happening and want change in their government. Since the young people are pretty much the future of Iran, IMO, it is simply a matter of time before the ruling mullahs are gone. Note, where the confusing probably came from, I consider public protesting, public condemnation, and others as "uprising" in a nation where such things WILL get you either arrested or even killed (ust not a widespread, government changing uprising). Matter of semantics, and maybe proper word usage. Again, my apologies for not making myself clear.
Oh, and the closet thing to gauging public sentament of the way the general people of Iran thinks is in the "elections" that they have. In the last few elections, the "reformers" (those who promise a more friendly USA policy and more rights to the people [including women]) have been winning elections to legislature and prime minister. A big blow to the ruling clerics. Or, at least when it comes to the public opinion of them (so, even the Iranian people as a whole are tired of the "conservatives" [which in Iran, are the Fundamentalist Mullahs. Though I think the media uses that term to subvertly stab at our own conservatives. But hey, I\'m just a perinoid right wing extremist right? :p]). The obvious problem of course is, the clerics can\'t be voted out, and have veto power over what ever the prime minister wants to do or the legislature (making them the TRUE power of Iran). True democracy in Iran this is not, even with these "elections". The only way this can change is a TRUE revolution.
And I seriously doubt, outside of Saddam\'s hometown (where he has CONSIDERABLE support since, these are the people he took care the most with the billions he recieved from the oil funds when he was in power [not to mention his family is there]) that Iraqis as a whole support Saddam. Especially the Kurds. BUT, to say that he has NO support outside of Tirkrit ([edit]originally said Barsa. Lesson here, NEVER write after New Years) is just as stupid as saying he is supported by everyone there. Propaganda or otherwise.
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Eh don\'t worry about apologizing. I simply wrote that because I saw an open target ;). I pretty much agree with most of what you\'ve said, I just like to argue for the sake of arguement.