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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: ##RaCeR## on December 29, 2003, 11:17:52 PM
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Do they exist? Ever since I have been playing Manhunt, its really got me thinking.
I think its disgusting if they do, but I was visiting some Manhunt forums for some game help and some people reckon they have seen real ones.
Well?
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The FBI\'s official view is that there is no such thing. I am sure there are though. They are so illegal that it keeps them hidden.
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I accidentally DLed one in a porn search. Very very disturbing...
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Was it real though. There are apparently alot of fakes out there.
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I don\'t think there are a lot, but I wouldn\'t be surprised if they actually existed.
BTW, it\'s not that hard to get real footage of people being killed. Not nice.
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well....what are you waiting for? get on it samwise....;)
you\'re the one who wanted to make movies!
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Originally posted by politiepet
well....what are you waiting for? get on it samwise....;)
you\'re the one who wanted to make movies!
Alrighty... come \'ere politiepet, I\'m gonna make you a star! :D
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do not download [blah blah blah -Sammy]..
I repeat do not download [blah blah blah -Sammy]
I warned you.
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Was that necessary Kimahri? I\'m debating whether or not I should edit your post.
EDIT: Ah to hell with it. I\'m doing it - and if you\'re the moaning type, please direct your moaning to mm thanks. :)
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Originally posted by Samwise
Alrighty... come \'ere politiepet, I\'m gonna make you a star! :D
kinda saw that one coming ;)
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They do exist.
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How do you know though? Its like some massive urban legend.
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I belive they exist .....there are way to many sick people and to many countries with weak laws that at least one could have been made and then in theory if one can be made.....
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Have you guys never heard of [BEEP -Sammy]? It\'s a series of tapes you can rent usually not at a blockbuster though maybe at a Hollywood video or local mom & pop place.
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Someone took a copy of [BEEP -Sammy] to college many years ago. It does exist I can assure you.
The [BEEP -Sammy] video is very disturbing also.
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Bleh, you guys are ruining what I did when I editted Kimahri\'s post.
Please don\'t mention specifics about these videos and stuff. I\'m sure most people here could find those things if they really would, but why tempt weak souls?
You can PM mm and ask if it\'s ok. If it is, then fine. But until he says it\'s ok, please follow my directions.
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sammy your such a [BEEP -Sammy] why don\'t you go [BEEP -Sammy] yourself you stupid little [BEEP -Sammy]
;)
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:laughing:
Yeah yeah yeah :p
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The [BEEP -Sammy] that your talking about are not snuff films we are talking about snuff films here right not [BEEP -Sammy]
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Glitter is the movie Sam is bleeping. Seven days after viewing, you start wearing uni-sex clothing. Ask Racer to post his pics. :)
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They probly do exist, but the amount of fakes out there is staggering.
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I haven\'t seen tapes of people killing other people, except for footage on the news once. My damn social studies teacher thought it\'d be worthwhile to show her sophomore class in high school footage of a civilian with his hands cuffed behind his back taking a bullet to the head from a soldier as they stood in a populated street in a neighborhood somewhere.
The guy dropped to the ground and a pool of blood leaked into the street. It stays with me today and I still don\'t understand why that teacher would do that.
If a tape exists with more of that, I don\'t want to see it.
And I do know there are series of tapes of people dying or otherwise being severely injured that you can rent. I could take a five minute ride and rent one right now. But I don\'t recommend it. I\'ve seen seconds of one of them and that was more than enough for me.
God help the people who edit those tapes together...
-Eik
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I\'ve seen one too, a bunch of times actually. Bothered me at first, but then, just realized, it happens all the time and is just another part of life and I could watch it any time now and it wouldn\'t bother me. It\'s kind of creepy that something like that doesn\'t bother me, but hey, atleast I could do all those jobs that requires that kind of stuff. Broadening the field I guess.
I wouldn\'t recommend watching one though. Some people can\'t take it. Just the way they are. Hell I would rather watch a person die then certain animals. Seriously if I saw a dog die I\'d freak. Dog deaths bug me for some reason.
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My coach was telling us about a movie called [BEEP -Sammy]. By the way it sounded, it was very disturbing. It was about people getting killed and stuff. I couldn\'t stomach anything like that.
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I have seen one. Its something I like to watch just before I go to sleep... or not.
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One thing you all are missing is the key description of a "snuff film". A snuff film, by definition is a film made of someone being kileld / raped and then sold to any given buyer. There has always been the rumor of a black market dedicated to snuff films. I for one, would not call it a market.
Yes, there is video\'s of people being killed. There are sites with war footage. Yes, there are video\'s of people being killed, taped by serial killers. Are there video\'s of people being killed, to be sold to a buyer? I believe so - but it\'s not near as popular as the movie\'s would lead you to believe.
As for fake snuff films, I own two.
Guinea Pig Experiments - Of Flesh and Blood & one I can\'t remember.
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LIC are you aroused by watching someone getting rapped and killed at the same time??
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Originally posted by Capcom
The FBI\'s official view is that there is no such thing. I am sure there are though. They are so illegal that it keeps them hidden.
Thats the official line ....but
the world Is full of sickos so i would be surprised that there are some "real Deals" out there.
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"8mm" starring Nicholas Cage and Joaquinn Phoenix
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
"8mm" starring Nicholas Cage and Joaquinn Phoenix
I just bought the DVD of that on saturday for £6.99 :D
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Originally posted by Kurt Angle
I just bought the DVD of that on saturday for £6.99 :D
Like i said....the world is full of sickos ;)
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They exist, I\'ve seen about 4 of them and it literally haunted me for 6 months.
The closest thing to that is [BEEP], which is basically legal snuff films.
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Dude [BEEP] is not a snuff film! A snuff film the person gets rapped and then killed in faces they are just real footage of people getting killed
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I remember watching the CSI episode were they where investigating a killing an a possible real snuff film.
for some strange reason I kept on thinking that Swifdi was behind it.
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ok it leaves out getting raped and the deaths are accidental, so what its just as gross.
but I\'ve seen girls getting their heads getting blown off with shotguns and a soldier getting his head cut completely off with a knife.
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I saw something about five years ago that I know was real. It wasn\'t anybody getting raped or killed but it was something very very horrible that had to do with experimental surgery. It still bothers me today and I wish I had never seen it.
MANHUNT RULES!
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Originally posted by Cyrus
LIC are you aroused by watching someone getting rapped and killed at the same time??
No. Why do you ask?
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Incredibly stupid question:
Whats a Snuff Film?
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It was said twice before.
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
One thing you all are missing is the key description of a "snuff film". A snuff film, by definition is a film made of someone being kileld / raped and then sold to any given buyer. There has always been the rumor of a black market dedicated to snuff films. I for one, would not call it a market.
Yes, there is video\'s of people being killed. There are sites with war footage. Yes, there are video\'s of people being killed, taped by serial killers. Are there video\'s of people being killed, to be sold to a buyer? I believe so - but it\'s not near as popular as the movie\'s would lead you to believe.
As for fake snuff films, I own two.
Guinea Pig Experiments - Of Flesh and Blood & one I can\'t remember.
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Yeah, I read that right after I posted.
Yup, I\'m pretty sure there are people that like those kinds of things and are willing to pay top dollar to get them.
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Well since no one else will say it...
/salute to Sammy for doing the right thing and editing out details about the videos.
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Me thinks Sammy is just abusing his power ;)
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I love how this topic went from "are there snuff films" to someone posting about what all of they have seen.
Either way, back on to the topic. Fake snuff films are extremely popular in Japan, infact there is an entire video series that is nothing but fake snuff films. As for how realisitic do they look. I\'ve seen actual death footage (Iraq war / etc) and I\'ve watched these films an let me say, they look extremely life looks. Namely one title \'Of Flesh and Blood\', where a young Japanese woman is tortured and killed. I found myself watching it and thinking I was a disturbed sick indivuial for buying it, yet strangely attached to it.
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Here is an article about snuff and the lore.
http://www.csicop.org/si/9905/snuff.html
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Originally posted by Luke
MANHUNT RULES!
Your right, it sure does. Best game I have played in such a long time. I\'m very impressed.
The thing I want to know though is how do people get footage of people being killed and mutilated if its not staged in the first place?
Its not like people are just miraculously at the right place at the right time with a camera...
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Ummm correct me if I\'m wrong but the killing can be staged, it just has to be real...
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No, but people like LIC are saying they own/have seen videos with people dieing etc on them. These are not considered snuff because they aren\'t staged, but are classed as being accidents (if I am getting the drift) so how do people come to film these accidents?
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
so how do people come to film these accidents?
I decided to look up an interview with the guy who made the first four from the series we\'re calling "Faces." (Name changed to appease Sammy ;))
"I\'ll never forget: All of a sudden on the news one night they\'re talking about Faces!" says John Schwartz, who directed and wrote the movie and its sequels I through IV (there are now eight Faces movies). The flick was intended as a Japanese-only release in 1979, but found its way to the United States, and the national news, a couple of years later.
"I almost fell out of my chair," says Schwartz in a phone interview. "Dan Rather on CBS was talking about these "incredibly horrible videos.\' \'Cause everybody thought they were real!"
If anybody thinks Faces is footage of actual deaths, it\'s because it says so on the video\'s box, right under the cheesy drawing of the hooded skull with the forked tongue and fangs. Schwartz and company did film real footage of slaughterhouses and autopsy rooms, but any other "real" deaths came from file footage.
"We traveled to all these different film libraries to see what we could find about death and disaster," says Schwartz. "I found this footage of this woman jumping off a building, and it was just incredible footage. But the part of the footage we didn\'t have was the aftermath. So we (filmed) inserts into the actual footage to match it."
Then how did Schwartz and company acquire the more bizarre footage? "I was the leader of the flesh-eating cult," Schwart admits. "I had scenes in each of these movies. . . . I\'m the crazy, drugged-out killer. . . . I play this freaky rapist in the courtroom scene, and they show the rape on video, and it just so happens that the girl (in the rape scene) was this girl I was dating at the time."
You mean, the famous electric chair scene was fake? But the guy was foaming at the mouth and everything!
"We built a cell in a friend\'s loft, and we lined the guy\'s mouth with toothpaste," says Schwartz, laughing. "My research material for that: I happened to pick up a Hustler magazine and there was this great article about electrocution that really detailed how a person is executed. . . . And that\'s what I used as my basis."
Well there you have it. Kind of waters down that series, doesn\'t it? Says the original cost $450,000 to make and has grossed $30 million to date.
-Eik
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Racer, to answer your question - people carry videocamera\'s. There is websites with war footage and things like that.
The idea behind a true snuff film is a death and rape filmed for a buyer.
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a buyer as in a single person? Expensive.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
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a buyer as in a single person? Expensive.
Yes. A single buyer.
It really isn\'t that hard to believe. How often do you hear about some rich guy / girl paying someone to kill their spouse? Now, just take that rich person, have them pay someone to kill a stranger and tape it. Wa-la. You have a snuff film.
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LIC is right.
And they are real, at least to my knowledge.
My uncle owns some that where filmed a while ago. Ive only seen a minute or two of one. But I can say it is real, and quite disturbing.
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Originally posted by (e)
LIC is right.
And they are real, at least to my knowledge.
My uncle owns some that where filmed a while ago. Ive only seen a minute or two of one. But I can say it is real, and quite disturbing.
I have serious doubts your uncle owns a true snuff film. I have a feeling you have not read the definition of a actual snuff film.
That is, unless you are saying...
(1) Your uncle pays to see women raped and killed..
(2) Your uncle has video of this and is withholding evidence.
:)
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I guess Ive never told you the story of my uncle, have I LIC.
It seems farfetched, but I swear upon it.
He is 52 years old, and is basically a skinhead. He collects Nazi memorbelia, weapons of sorts, books of witchcraft etc. He recites Nietzsche whenever I see him.
Well, basically he worships Hitler, and believes that he had kin, and they are still alive.
He bought a snuff film from one of his fathers friend that sells various illegal products.
Honestly, I dont know if its real or not. I just saw it and it looked real. but I cant say details, I would be happy to PM them.
(2) Your uncle has video of this and is withholding evidence.
Evidence, not sure. It easily couldve been leaked through media, which happens in a large majority of cases that have video footage, photographs, or audio material as evidence.
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I think thats creepy and morbid, people call me whacked for being Christain, but to worship Hitler? Man thats sad.
Anyway, I guess now that I think about it, true snuff would have to exist, I mean, its only logical, but I doubt its the sort of thing that would get widely sold, or am I wrong?
If you asked someone to murder and rape ur wife, and get them to tape it, its unlikely you would show anyone else that tape, unless your totally nuts.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
but I doubt its the sort of thing that would get widely sold, or am I wrong?
No, of course it wouldn\'t be widely sold. Then there wouldn\'t be all that mystery behind it. Besides, true snuff movies are helluva illegal, not to mention expensive. So it\'s not exactly something you\'d go brag about having.
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Well its basically on a higher scale of homemade pornos.
They are quite mainstream, and look how easy they are to make.
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(e) your uncle is a skinhead, how pathetic to worship hitler. That\'s probably the one of the most pathetic things to do, worship hitler and his shitty lowlife imbecile doings.
just my 2 cents.
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Originally posted by (e)
I guess Ive never told you the story of my uncle, have I LIC.
It seems farfetched, but I swear upon it.
He is 52 years old, and is basically a skinhead. He collects Nazi memorbelia, weapons of sorts, books of witchcraft etc. He recites Nietzsche whenever I see him.
Well, basically he worships Hitler, and believes that he had kin, and they are still alive.
He bought a snuff film from one of his fathers friend that sells various illegal products.
Honestly, I dont know if its real or not. I just saw it and it looked real. but I cant say details, I would be happy to PM them.
Evidence, not sure. It easily couldve been leaked through media, which happens in a large majority of cases that have video footage, photographs, or audio material as evidence.
Not surprised. I had a great uncle who was in WW2 and developed a fetish for "blood pudding". No joke. Apparently it was something the soliders was shown by the germans. Take blood, make it into pudding and eat it. He\'d kill his cows and drain the blood and do it. Very gross stuff.
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They have sasauges like that though don\'t they? like those black ones. Yuck.
We aren\'t talking human blood though are we LIC?
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Someone deleted my totally unappropiate post. :(
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Someone deleted my totally unappropiate post. :(
And your surprised?
:D
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I\'ve gotten away with less, though I don\'t know if IP bannings counts as less.
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try renting faces of death the first one..not really snuff videos but close enough. in one clip they showed some cat in jail being executed by electrocution. has some very disturbing scenes with people sittin around a table & whackin a monkey in the head till it\'s dead & then they eat the brains. And these aren\'t people out the jungle or whatnot these are people eating in a restauraunt.(spelling):eek:
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Originally posted by clips
try renting faces of death the first one..not really snuff videos but close enough. in one clip they showed some cat in jail being executed by electrocution. has some very disturbing scenes with people sittin around a table & whackin a monkey in the head till it\'s dead & then they eat the brains. And these aren\'t people out the jungle or whatnot these are people eating in a restauraunt.(spelling):eek:
For the most part, faces is fake and has been proven.
If you want real death - you\'ll either have to get some war footage / weird sites or settle for real animal deaths in the Cannibal holocaust and Cannibal ferox movie\'s.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
For the most part, faces is fake and has been proven.
If you want real death - you\'ll either have to get some war footage / weird sites or settle for real animal deaths in the Cannibal holocaust and Cannibal ferox movie\'s.
hmm..i wasn\'t aware of that. and i\'ve noticed they have like 3 volumes of it. when i first saw it i was a little skeptical, but the narrator stated everything was real. hmph learn somethin new everyday.
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Originally posted by clips
hmm..i wasn\'t aware of that. and i\'ve noticed they have like 3 volumes of it. when i first saw it i was a little skeptical, but the narrator stated everything was real. hmph learn somethin new everyday.
Kind of like the narrator says \'The Texas Chainsaw Massacre\' is based on a true story, when if anything, it is VERY LOOSELY based on the Ed Gein story. Very loosely.
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Yes, Faces of Death is fake.
My brother met the man that is the father of those.
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IMO I think its far worse torturing animals then it is doing the same to humans. I mean, at least human on human is a bit more of a fair fight, and humans can kinda defend themselves. But to kill and torture defenseless animals is just whacked.
Anyway, back on topic. I remember this murder that happened accouple of years back in the estate/suburb I was living in at the time. There was this chick who was found bound and gagged a few blocks away from the large housing estate we lived in behind some bushes. Anyway, it turns out she was a willing participant in some really weird shnitz with this group of friends, like real fetish type stuff, like climaxing while hanging themselves 9auto erotic asphixiation) and S&M etc. Anyway, she was like a suburban house wife and like no one expected her to be into that sorta stuff. Anyway, her friends apparently taped her when they murdered her, and she was like a willing participant or something. CRAZY.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
IMO I think its far worse torturing animals then it is doing the same to humans. I mean, at least human on human is a bit more of a fair fight, and humans can kinda defend themselves. But to kill and torture defenseless animals is just whacked.
Anyway, back on topic. I remember this murder that happened accouple of years back in the estate/suburb I was living in at the time. There was this chick who was found bound and gagged a few blocks away from the large housing estate we lived in behind some bushes. Anyway, it turns out she was a willing participant in some really weird shnitz with this group of friends, like real fetish type stuff, like climaxing while hanging themselves 9auto erotic asphixiation) and S&M etc. Anyway, she was like a suburban house wife and like no one expected her to be into that sorta stuff. Anyway, her friends apparently taped her when they murdered her, and she was like a willing participant or something. CRAZY.
I own Cannibal Ferox and it does contain real animal deaths. A couple fo them. Really kind of odd to watch.
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i\'m not sure if anybody remember this but it was on cnn. they showed how alqeda was using chemical weapons on dogs & such..it was kinda hard watch. they had a canister of gas lay right next to the dog & within minutes it died.
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I saw this one Faces of Death where some people are at a restaurant and crack open a monkey\'s skull and eats it\'s brains.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
I saw this one Faces of Death where some people are at a restaurant and crack open a monkey\'s skull and eats it\'s brains.
Did you not read the posts above?
We\'ve established that \'Faces of Death\' was fake.
Cannibal Ferox,on the other hand, does contain real animal deaths.
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Is Cannibal Ferox a movie, or a series of short films?
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People suck...anyone who films someone being killed and raped deserves to be tortured and raped in the ass with a hot-iron prod. Anyway...I had to watch Faces of Death in my class (don\'t ask) because my teacher is a psycho, and some other video showing abortions being performed with not yet developed fetuses crying their eyes out.
I especially enjoyed all 3 Red Asphault movies in driver\'s ed and the picture that the officer passed around showing a man that got into an accident who\'s face was obliterated into the grass with brains and eyeballs everywhere. The A-hole officer was laughing about it the whole time while some girl in my class cried in horror when she saw it.
I would say I\'m a little de-sensitized. But when I saw the first few minutes of Kill Bill where Uma Thurman was crying and shaking nervously and then shot point blank in the head, it sort of woke me up a little (not used to that kind of crap, then again, it is Quentin Tarantino). I know for damn sure I wouldn\'t be able to handle a film with real death. There are some crazy bastards out there.
There is still murder and rape happening everyday...so the fact that films like this may exist, it really comes to no surprise.
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And I haven\'t seen Kill Bill yet.
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I dunno how they are allowed to show vids like that at school without parental consent.
I watched some show that was pro life on abortion and it showed a real abortion and it really freaked me out. Its disgusting that people get off and enjoy watching these kinda things.
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Originally posted by Bozco
And I haven\'t seen Kill Bill yet.
Well that kinda sucks because the second one is already coming out in February...
And sorry if I screwed anything up for you...:shy:
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Second was delayed.
Not coming in Feb.
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first one was bad enough.. although i\'ll still see the second, i hate unfinished stories.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Second was delayed.
Not coming in Feb.
Oh yeah, forgot...:(
The movie wasn\'t that great...I just enjoyed how rediculous it was the amount of bloodshed in the movie. People were spraying ten times more blood than they actually have...for like...twenty minutes...