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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: SirMystiq on December 30, 2003, 08:12:34 PM
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Got this in the mail...
) Israel claims her land.
The return of the Jewish people to Israel is the "super-sign" of prophecy. The Bible predicts over and over again that the Jews must be back in their homeland in order for the events of the end times to unfold (see Jeremiah 30:1-3; Ezekiel 34:11-24; Zechariah 10:6-10).
In 2003 – a year of failed peace plans, rising Israeli-Palestinian tensions, and continued terrorist activity – Israel began construction of a 320-mile barrier. The structure, now 25-percent complete, is made up of a complex network of fences, trenches, walls, and security roads. Palestinians say the barrier is a landgrab by Israel; Israel claims it is a necessary tool in its war against terrorism; prophecy experts view the barrier as a potential sign of things to come.
2) Saddam’s removal clears way for rebuilding Babylon.
The city of Babylon, located on the Euphrates River in modern Iraq, is mentioned almost 300 times in the Bible. It is consistently portrayed as a place of rebellion and pride. Scripture informs us that in the end times, Babylon will be rebuilt into a great city that will serve as a commercial and religious capital for the Antichrist.
The ousting of Saddam from power has resulted in a lifting of sanctions and limitations on Iraqi oil sales. As the “nation-building” continues, billions of dollars will begin to flood into Iraq, making the rebuilding of Babylon as a major economic center for the Middle East (and the rest of the world) a real possibility.
3) A power struggle emerges in Europe.
This summer, a draft constitution for Europe amazingly included a reference in its preamble to a "reunited Europe.” This constitution could very well be the glue for the reunited Roman Empire predicted in the Bible during the end times.
According to the prophet Daniel, the second phase of the Roman Empire will take the form of a coalition of 10 nations. The EU, in its current form, has 15 members.
Recently, the summit on a proposed constitution for a united Europe collapsed after leaders failed to reach an agreement on the sharing of power. The fight revealed an unusual level of public animosity among the EU nations. Warning that an expanded EU could force Europe to "march to the slowest step," French Prime Minister Jacques Chirac suggested a "pioneer group" of nations should move forward alone. Perhaps this new coalition will develop in the shape of a 10-kingdom form as revealed by Daniel.
4) Religious leaders debate authority of Scripture.
The Bible uses the word apostasy to describe opposition from within. It refers to people who profess to believe – who call themselves believers – but who believe and teach false doctrine and practice ungodly behavior. There are a handful of New Testament passages that tell us that apostasy will be a defining characteristic of the last days.
At the 2003 annual convention for the Episcopal Church, the issue of the authority of Scripture was so divisive that leaders of the worldwide Anglican Communion were forced to call an emergency session of religious leadership in London in order to prevent the splintering of the church. As debate heightened, an opposition movement in the Southern Hemisphere, where beliefs are more orthodox and growth is strong, grew more powerful.
5) Democracy falters in Russia.
Twenty-five hundred years ago, the Hebrew prophet Ezekiel was given a detailed prophecy foretelling that Russia would become a dominant player on the world scene in the last days (Ezekiel 38-39). However, following the breakup of the Soviet Union, it became increasingly difficult to believe that Russia was going to be the major power that Ezekiel described.
Then, in a recent parliamentary election that Europe\'s leading democracy watchdog group called "overwhelmingly distorted," Vladimir Putin’s party won a landslide victory. Manipulating state media to boost his campaign, Putin’s victory is widely considered unfair. Critics fear the death of democracy after Russia’s liberal parties were all but wiped out. Putin\'s supporters claim the pro-Kremlin majority will hand the ex-KGB spy more powers to fight corruption. Prophecy experts view the development as just one more reason for believing Christ could come in our time.
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BS. :)
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I had a buddy in college who went to New ORlenas for Mardi Gras. I dunno what happened, but apparently he got drugged because he woke up in a pool of ice and no kidney.
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every 10 years people point out current events and say they are signs for the end of the world. Remember the well-known Christian Harold Camping who wrote the book 1994? He was a highly-regarded Christian radio talk show personality and come Sept 6, 1994 nothing happened. Whoopsy!
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give me any world events and I\'ll link it to either the Bible, Nostrodamus\' quatrains, or ancient Summerian texts.
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Don\'t forget the unification of a one world currency... The Euro was a huge push towards that. Once all of these things happen, regardless if you believe in it or not, you have to be a little nervous.
Oh and Russia has to invade Israel. At this point in time I can\'t see this happening, therefore I can only conclude that some conflict between the two will arise, and Russia will join other Middle Eastern countries and invade Israel.
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Originally posted by videoholic
I had a buddy in college who went to New ORlenas for Mardi Gras. I dunno what happened, but apparently he got drugged because he woke up in a pool of ice and no kidney.
Youre shitting me right?
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People have been saying its the end of the world since the beginning of time.
Didn\'t the bible also say that christ would come 2000 years later?
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I thought the 6th sign would be SwifDi getting laid? In that case we\'re safe for many years to come (no pun intended).
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Originally posted by ViVi
Didn\'t the bible also say that christ would come 2000 years later?
No. And even if anything did say that it would be the year 2030.
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phew.....thank god it\'s only that stupid bible saying this huh? no need to worry! :laughing:
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Youre shitting me right?
That is the oddest saying. I mean people say it all the time, but when you look at the words it\'s pretty funny. I mean could you actually imagine coming out of my butt? :)
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Originally posted by videoholic
That is the oddest saying. I mean people say it all the time, but when you look at the words it\'s pretty funny. I mean could you actually imagine coming out of my butt? :)
good time to be complimenting you on your signature :D
that kopking-quote still make\'s me LOL :laughing:
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I predict I will take a dump sometime in the next day or two.
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Originally posted by politiepet
phew.....thank god it\'s only that stupid bible saying this huh? no need to worry! :laughing:
You sound almost like you\'re trying to convince yourself of something... Calling the Bible stupid by the way just sheds light on your ignorance. Regardless if you agree with the morals and ideals it expresses, it\'s a great piece of literature.
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Jesus describes the end of the world in Matthew chapter 24.
- v14: "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
- v34: "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." -my Bible has a footnote that the word \'generation\' can also be translated as race.
- 36: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angles in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
The books of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Daniel, and Revelation are usually debated about their representations. Many people believe their prophecies to refer to governments or places or actions in the past that have already occurred.
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Originally posted by politiepet
phew.....thank god it\'s only that stupid bible saying this huh? no need to worry! :laughing:
Whether yer joking or not, have some respect for others here who hold the Bible in high regard. You might be talking about your family reunion and I doubt you\'d appreciate me calling them stupid. To you, the Bible means nothing but to some of us, it means a lot. Just like some of us could care less about your family reunion, you wouldn\'t appreciate negative comments about it.
You can have your opinion but you should at least use some decorum. That goes for you too Videoholic.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
You sound almost like you\'re trying to convince yourself of something... Calling the Bible stupid by the way just sheds light on your ignorance. Regardless if you agree with the morals and ideals it expresses, it\'s a great piece of literature.
So is Wizard of OZ, but I don\'t worry about Torando\'s taking me to a far away place.
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The Bible is just a book and not to be taken literally. It was probably just originally written as a life guide, teaches about morals by using historical people; not to be taken literally by its readers. But its just a story book and has no impact or truth in my life.
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Originally posted by Titan
The Bible is just a book and not to be taken literally. It was probably just originally written as a life guide, teaches about morals by using historical people; not to be taken literally by its readers. But its just a story book and has no impact or truth in my life.
Or it could be a best of book. It is written in two different time periods when values are different. Afterall God hates everyone in the Old testemant, and in the new he is a hippie.
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Originally posted by Capcom
Or it could be a best of book. It is written in two different time periods when values are different. Afterall God hates everyone in the Old testemant, and in the new he is a hippie.
Thats whats strange. In the Old Testament, God hates all and is kind of a warmonger. In the New Testament, he\'s good and righteous. One reason I don\'t take the book literally.
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Originally posted by Titan
The Bible is just a book and not to be taken literally. It was probably just originally written as a life guide, teaches about morals by using historical people; not to be taken literally by its readers. But its just a story book and has no impact or truth in my life.
Did someone tell you this or is this an opinion you formulated?
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
Did someone tell you this or is this an opinion you formulated?
Mostly my opinion. You have to read between my lines in my post. I\'m not stating it as fact but using words like \'probably\' and \'in my life\' and stuff like that. Sorry if I came across as if its a fact or something.
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In the old testment, God is flooding the earth, killing first born kids, sending out plague\'s and just havin\' a good ole\' time torturing the human race.
In the new testment he is a free-lovin\' Hippie who just wants to save the world from itself.
And while you are all debating the bible, I want to make one point.. Every culture has had their books, their beliefs and all of them have had some kind of \'God\' that uses his power to make the human race fear and "love " him. The bible is our modern version of it.
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At the beginning of time though there were not 100+ different racial groups. There was one (Hebrews).
The Bible is the ORIGINAL text, the ORIGINAL book from God. When he created the different races and cast them to all ends of the earth (Tower of Babel, in Babylon - Iraq), they then created their own Gods, thus leading to other books.
Its pointless arguing over such topics because people have such altered views permanently inplanted in their heads.
As for the signs of the times, there have been countless other \'signs\'. Its interesting, but no one knows, and I don\'t think anyone will know until it happens. It will be a big surprise, no one will think it will happen because everything will be good. The world will be full of peace I think for a long time, and then something will rapidly change.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Its pointless arguing over such topics because people have such altered views permanently inplanted in their heads.
As long as you understand you are one of those people that have altered views in your head I completely agree with you.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
You sound almost like you\'re trying to convince yourself of something... Calling the Bible stupid by the way just sheds light on your ignorance. Regardless if you agree with the morals and ideals it expresses, it\'s a great piece of literature.
meh, get a sense of humour.....;)
anyway, stupid or not, I\'ve decided not to engage in religious debates again...there is such little point. you can throw in a million scientific facts and religious people would still deny it, simply because of their so could \'faith\'...
I\'m not saying it is wrong, but to me it sounds really silly
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
In the old testment, God is flooding the earth, killing first born kids, sending out plague\'s and just havin\' a good ole\' time torturing the human race.
In the new testment he is a free-lovin\' Hippie who just wants to save the world from itself.
And while you are all debating the bible, I want to make one point.. Every culture has had their books, their beliefs and all of them have had some kind of \'God\' that uses his power to make the human race fear and "love " him. The bible is our modern version of it.
i\'ve figured it out! lic is actually god ..back then in the old testament he was the ZERO TOLERANCE MOD! now he is a mod (god) that tolerates alot of us! :D
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
In the new testment he is a free-lovin\' Hippie who just wants to save the world from itself.
Many people say the Bible doesn\'t apply to them or that the Bible is not consistent. If any of you are one of those people then I challenge you to read it. Not ramdonly opening it to one spot, reading 10 verses and saying \'this doesn\'t apply to me.\' Read the entire Old Testament and count how many times God forgives his people. If you read it you will see that what happens in the New Testament was prophecied in the Old including the birth of Jesus in Isaiah 7 & 9.
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." - Hebrews 13:8
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
Many people say the Bible doesn\'t apply to them or that the Bible is not consistent. If any of you are one of those people then I challenge you to read it. Not ramdonly opening it to one spot, reading 10 verses and saying \'this doesn\'t apply to me.\' Read the entire Old Testament and count how many times God forgives his people. If you read it you will see that what happens in the New Testament was prophecied in the Old including the birth of Jesus in Isaiah 7 & 9.
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." - Hebrews 13:8
Buddy, I am not saying that. Infact, I have done my share of reading the bible as I was raised very religious. I will agree that the bible encourages a set standard of good morals. I will disagree that 90 percent of it actually happened. If there was a man named Jesus, he was nothing more than a con artist, he was the Jim Jones of the day, in my opinion.
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There should be Cliff\'s notes on the Bible. Perhaps more people would read it then. ;)
I still need to read it in its entirety... I started reading it from the beginning but after 40 pages I put it down. Never got around to picking it up again (it\'s so god damn boring - no pun intended).
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It\'s hard to read that way... I just jump around to different books... I like the New Testament better.
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I think that we are going to end the earth. Pollution, nuclear war...something stupid.
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does anyone remember when the world ended like 6 times last year?
honestly, believe what you like, but know that something or someone put the very first thing ever here (im talking on a universal scale) and i would suspect that there would be something more than life and death.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Buddy, I am not saying that. Infact, I have done my share of reading the bible as I was raised very religious. I will agree that the bible encourages a set standard of good morals. I will disagree that 90 percent of it actually happened. If there was a man named Jesus, he was nothing more than a con artist, he was the Jim Jones of the day, in my opinion.
There was a man named Jesus LIC. There are written Roman records of that. Theres no refuting that, but was he the Messiah? From what I know, he never said he was King of the Jews. People said that. Remember when Pilate asked "Are you the king of the Jews?" He replied "If you think so." Also, whenever he said "I am the son of God", I think he meant it metaphorically. That we are all children of god. I am the son, you are the son/daughter, we are all children of god. I don\'t think Jesus meant it literally. And those "miracles" were just magic tricks to woo his people into his liking. Either that or the writers of the New Testament used Jesus as a character in their book to teach morals and whatnot.
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Haha... "Magic tricks"... Dude, he wasn\'t pulling rabbits out of hats.
He did not mean it metaphorically. And he never blatantly said, "I AM THE SON OF GOD".
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There are records that show(according to NOVA...PBS) that the name "Jesus" was pretty popular back in those days. I do believe that there was probably a guy that caused all this drama. Was he the savior...who knows. But I\'m going to have to side with the Jews on this one. The Messiah their God promised was to bring freedom and the end of oppresion. Jesus just came, astonished, and died.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Haha... "Magic tricks"... Dude, he wasn\'t pulling rabbits out of hats.
He did not mean it metaphorically. And he never blatantly said, "I AM THE SON OF GOD".
David Blaine does some pretty cool magic tricks that were kind of like Jesus\'s and he\'s not pulling rabbits out of his hat. And the fact he never said "I am the son of god" shows my fact that he wasn\'t the son of god. And I too must have to side with the Jews like SirMystiq. He was not the Messiah.
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How do you know that? The Jews were only discouraged because they expected their Messiah to be some sword-weilding Hercules-like figure. I don\'t understand how you can undoubtedly say, "He\'s not the son of God". You do not know that.
Oh and tell me how Jesus did that "die and come back to life" trick again, I think I saw Blaine do it, but I can\'t remember how he did it.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Oh and tell me how Jesus did that "die and come back to life" trick again, I think I saw Blaine do it, but I can\'t remember how he did it.
Maybe it was an imposter. Maybe he never did die on the cross. Maybe he really was dead and the fact he rose again was added when the new testament was written. You don\'t know for sure either. You just cling to faith and hope that he really did rise.
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Unless I can see it on TV, it didn\'t happen. :p
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Originally posted by Titan
You just cling to faith and hope that he really did rise.
My faith isn\'t compromised of a false hope, but a living truth. It\'s definitely hard to explain, but it\'s an emotion that comes more from the heart then the mind.
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Oh, an emotion that comes from the heart? Then it\'s definatly the truth. :p