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Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: SirMystiq on January 02, 2004, 08:54:58 PM
My girlfriend and her friends talk about cars all the time. My girlfriend wants a Honda Prelude. Ok, I\'m not sure how good Asian cars are, but I know that any corvette can beat a damn prelude. They always talk about the "quality" of the Honda\'s and crap and how "long they last". This is coming from girls, I just want to know is this true.

I personally like American cars, and nobody beats European.

What do you all think?
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: SwifDi on January 02, 2004, 09:11:20 PM
Your girlfriend is right about Honda\'s and lasting long. My 88 Honda Accord has just cracked 140k miles and still runs smoothly. It\'s a good car and I\'m going to miss it when I sell it when I head off to college in a few months.

I\'m really big on Audi\'s... I\'m hoping by the time I am thirty I\'ll be driving an Audi TT. However my next car on my list is probably an Eclipse; after college.
Title: Re: Asian Vs. American
Post by: GmanJoe on January 02, 2004, 09:22:47 PM
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
My girlfriend and her friends talk about cars all the time. My girlfriend wants a Honda Prelude. Ok, I\'m not sure how good Asian cars are, but I know that any corvette can beat a damn prelude. They always talk about the "quality" of the Honda\'s and crap and how "long they last". This is coming from girls, I just want to know is this true.

I personally like American cars, and nobody beats European.

What do you all think?


She\'s correct. And comparing a $45,000 Corvette to a $22,000 Prelude is...well....apples and oranges. Hondas are notoriously reliable and all she needs to do is keep the oil changed every 4 months (oil manufacturers say 3 months but oil doesn\'t break down until 6,000 miles really - more changes = more money).

I\'m surprised you don\'t know about the reliability of Japanese cars. They are far better than American. Volks Wagon make great cars....but I know for a fact that they are also extremely high maintenance. Don\'t get me started on Italian cars. :rolleyes: My old Fiat leaked oil like crazy.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Paul2 on January 02, 2004, 09:38:10 PM
Well, if you have play Gran Turismo like me who owned Gran Turismo 3, you know there are a lot of known well brand Japanese Cars than European.  The good thing about American cars iare that they test for safety before selling it like car crash tests while European didn\'t do that.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: GmanJoe on January 02, 2004, 09:42:36 PM
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Originally posted by Paul2
Well, if you have play Gran Turismo like me who owned Gran Turismo 3, you know there are a lot of known well brand Japanese Cars than European.  The good thing about American cars iare that they test for safety before selling it like car crash tests while European didn\'t do that.


Ha! Safety? Have you seen the crash tests for the Dodge Neon? Say goodbye to yer kneecaps!
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: THX on January 02, 2004, 10:46:43 PM
If she wants real reliability go Toyota or Nissan.  Hondas do last long.. for their price.  You pay a little extra for a Corolla or Sentra but they do last longer.  My buddy\'s 94 Civic has a boatlod of problems at 150k, he\'s constantly getting it fixed and he takes care of it like it\'s his child.  Now he thinks he has a leak in the main engine seal and another leak in his intake, both causing his engine to randomly stall.

My other friend has a 93 Sentra that is very reliable and solid, drives just like it did on day 1 he swears.  And compared to the Honda it\'s quiet and less rickety due to a better quality interior.  And fyi I had a 1990 Maxima I got rid of at 180k due to a bad transmission.  The engine still ran perfect and mechanics kept offering to take the car from me so they could part it out.  Another friend still drives his 92 Maxima at over 315,000 miles.

The only reason to get an American econo car is for the price.  I do like how the Focus looks though.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: SwifDi on January 02, 2004, 10:49:07 PM
315,000 miles... Holy crap in my pants.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: SirMystiq on January 02, 2004, 10:51:13 PM
My 92 Camaro is up in the 150k miles and it still runs smooth. I got all it\'s papers and it has only received its usual oil changes and regular stuff. Never any major problems.

I still don\'t like Japenese cars. They seem so...not American. Preludes do look cool though, but thats about it. They aren\'t as strong as Americans cars are thats for sure. My car had better acceleration than a V-8 japanese car...who knows what kind of car it was. Also I know japanese manufacturers spend more time with the handling and stuff.

Is it true that Japenese use alot more plastic and cheaper parts?

...Thanks alot guys....:( my girlfriend just read the post and she is braggin that she was right. Pfft whatever they only repeat what other people say. I still think that any good American car can beat any good Japanese car.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: GmanJoe on January 02, 2004, 11:02:07 PM
I speak out of experience. I had a 1989 Nissan Sentra. I put 210,000 miles on it and all I had to replace was a slipping clutch. Meanwhile, my friend\'s Mustang had to go through several clutches, 2 trannies, other nick nacks that bothered him. When I was a kid, my dad\'s showroom Maverick he bought broke down after 500 miles.

You heard about the Ford Focus? Recalls galore.

You do know I\'m a car nut, right?
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Coredweller on January 03, 2004, 12:29:10 AM
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Is it true that Japenese use alot more plastic and cheaper parts?
Where do you get this stuff?  The opposite is true.  I think you should go to a Chevy and sit in a Cavalier, then go to a Toyota dealer and sit in a Corolla.  Come back here and tell us which one has higher build quality.

Women don\'t give a crap about "which car can beat which other car."  They want a vehicle that has features, good build quality, and reliability.  In general, those are not things you find in domestic cars.  Any one of the big three automakers can make a heavy vehicle like a camero go fast by throwing a huge heavy engine in it.

On the other hand, engineering skill is required to produce a vehicle with equal performance using an engine that is half the displacement or half the number of cylinders.  No american carmaker is building engines with the efficiency of the Japanese right now.  They are incapable of it, but that\'s ok because it\'s not a priority to them.  They think they\'re going to survive by servicing the SUV and truck market, and relying on people like you to buy their inferior cars.  I don\'t think it\'s going to work.  Their market share continues to dwindle year after year, and they don\'t learn any lessons because they have their heads up their asses.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: THX on January 03, 2004, 12:47:28 AM
Japan and Europe are further ahead in car engineering than America.  The only good thoughts I have about American cars are Cadillac and Lincoln.  They are one of a kind.. in both design and technology.

Mmmmm caddy DTS. :facelick:
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: (e) on January 03, 2004, 01:32:24 AM
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My girlfriend wants a Honda Prelude.


DUMP HER!

Their is this riced out Prelude, lowered, hubs from Kmart with too much polish on them. He spray painted flames on it, put some neon lights in the back, and a big "SWEET N LOW!" sticker in the back.

I also hate the driver, and he hates me because his girlfriend gave me head. Deal with it buddy.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Samwise on January 03, 2004, 01:46:44 AM
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Originally posted by Paul2
The good thing about American cars iare that they test for safety before selling it like car crash tests while European didn\'t do that.

Lol, where the hell do you get that from?
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Paul2 on January 03, 2004, 02:10:07 AM
well from my history teacher.  (starting to run away since Paul2 have no clue about cars..slowly Paul2 sneak away step by step...)
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Samwise on January 03, 2004, 02:11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Paul2
well from my history teacher.  (starting to run away since Paul2 have no clue about cars..slowly Paul2 sneak away step by step...)

*beats up your history teacher with a wet newspaper*
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Paul2 on January 03, 2004, 02:39:56 AM
LOL.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Seed_Of_Evil on January 03, 2004, 03:40:39 AM
When I get a job, i\'ll go definitely for AUDI or BMW.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: SER on January 03, 2004, 04:17:02 AM
I\'d never own an American car. Only if I shit out money. :)
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: clips on January 03, 2004, 06:17:34 AM
well i know this i got over 350,000 miles out of my 92 maxima before i got my lex & the only thing i replaced on it was the axle. nissan makes some indestructible cars. i know like around the 83-85 era, american car manufactuers were putting out bullS***. anybody remember the 85 topaz & escort? my mom had one one & my friend had an escort, had to keep both cars in neutral at the light to keep it from stalling!

anyway nowadays you can\'t really go wrong with any car. the technology is there & american cars quality are right up there with some jap imports. don\'t forget that alot of american vehicles have alot of japanese parts in them too. i still feel that the jap cars have a little bit more polish tho.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: videoholic on January 03, 2004, 06:55:55 AM
I have a nissan Altima.  GOt it new in 97 and I haven\'t done a thing with it other than brake pads and a new battery.Extremely reliable.  Has 87,000 miles on it.  Granted that isn\'t much, but it\'s a descent little car.  

I don\'t think I would buy anything american EXCEPT for a Corvette or a truck.  Although I don\'t think I\'d ever own a vette either.  I\'d take a porsche over a vette any day.

My BMW runs like a dream too, but it only has 30k on it so that doesn\'t count.

Before I got the BMW I owned Fords for 10 years.  ALWAYS ran like shit.  Horrible ride, etc. etc.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: CHIZZY on January 03, 2004, 07:32:17 AM
I love my chevy blazer 2 door. It roxxors my boxxors. Then again, we get a lot of snow in Buffalo, and 4WD roxxs. My last v was a chevy too... never had one prob with it. Had it for 3 years and all I did was change the oil.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Tyrant on January 03, 2004, 07:37:20 AM
lol why is it that only in America, that American cars suck. i like american cars always have and always will. i\'d bring up the new Luminas but they arent really American cars they just have an American heart ;).
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Samwise on January 03, 2004, 07:38:20 AM
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Originally posted by Tyrant
lol why is it that only in America, that American cars suck.

I don\'t think it\'s just in America. ;)
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: SER on January 03, 2004, 07:40:35 AM
What kinda Lexus you got clips?
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: clips on January 03, 2004, 07:53:01 AM
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Originally posted by SER
What kinda Lexus you got clips?


 95 sc-400 just purchased it last may..nice vehicle!
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: ooseven on January 03, 2004, 09:53:20 AM
When it comes to Consoles...

Asian >>>>>>>>>> USA.

:D

Nuff said

Also they own you in the CAR & Electronics departments too.

American Craftsmanship = an oxymoron
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Living-In-Clip on January 03, 2004, 11:21:53 AM
While are comparing all this Japanese cars and miles, it should be noted that my mother\'s 92 Tarus has over 300,000 miles also.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Titan on January 03, 2004, 11:25:01 AM
America makes some quality stuff. There are American cars with over 300K miles. An asian car would have fallen apart by then. Also, tools and stuff we make never break. Although, Microsoft really does put a drain on American craftsmanship :p
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Living-In-Clip on January 03, 2004, 11:28:51 AM
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Originally posted by Titan
America makes some quality stuff. There are American cars with over 300K miles. An asian car would have fallen apart by then. Also, tools and stuff we make never break. Although, Microsoft really does put a drain on American craftsmanship :p


I think you obviously missed the other posts where Asians cars was going over the 300k mark.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Titan on January 03, 2004, 11:30:10 AM
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I think you obviously missed the other posts where Asians cars was going over the 300k mark.


Obviously I did :)
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Samwise on January 03, 2004, 11:54:34 AM
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Originally posted by Titan
America makes some quality stuff. There are American cars with over 300K miles. An asian car would have fallen apart by then. Also, tools and stuff we make never break. Although, Microsoft really does put a drain on American craftsmanship :p

Keep telling yourself that. :p
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Titan on January 03, 2004, 12:03:58 PM
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Originally posted by Samwise
Keep telling yourself that. :p


Ok I will :p
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: GmanJoe on January 03, 2004, 12:32:27 PM
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Originally posted by videoholic


My BMW runs like a dream too, but it only has 30k on it so that doesn\'t count.

Before I got the BMW I owned Fords for 10 years.  ALWAYS ran like shit.  Horrible ride, etc. etc.


BMW are awesome cars. Too bad the insurance is so damn high. :(
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Paul2 on January 03, 2004, 01:50:49 PM
Funny you guys mention BMW, I remember having a dream that I owned a $25,000 BMW van or the sort.  I was driving it.  I wonder if that dream comes true and also wonder where did I got the $25,000.  Could it be I won it as a prize?
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Skyrider666 on January 03, 2004, 04:17:28 PM
Funny you should mention dreams,I had a dream that I had a helicopter boat with lasers.I called it Kit and it talked to me and told me the secrets of the universe.I\'m not sure when mine will come true either??   :D
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: CHIZZY on January 03, 2004, 04:31:30 PM
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Originally posted by ooseven
When it comes to Consoles...

Asian >>>>>>>>>> USA.

:D

Nuff said

Also they own you in the CAR & Electronics departments too.

American Craftsmanship = an oxymoron


I can\'t remember the last time I saw "made in scotland" on something that doesn\'t make you drunk.

Shut up, you felching girdle-wearer....  ;)
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: SER on January 03, 2004, 05:50:37 PM
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Originally posted by clips
95 sc-400 just purchased it last may..nice vehicle!


Cool, I was about to purchase a 92 SC about a month ago, but the deal fell through. Right now, I\'m stuck with my 96 ES300. Hey, if you\'re looking for another good forums to visit, check out http://www.clublexus.com. I\'m a regular over there as well, my sn is juan01. :)
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Bozco on January 03, 2004, 06:16:48 PM
Cars are actually all about luck.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Evi on January 03, 2004, 09:41:14 PM
I hate American cars in the fact they are a b*tch to beef up or maintain. Japanese cars are easier to work with. In an American car, you have to remove the whole damn engine to replace a bolt. The position of everything is stupid. It is a little weird though having to use metric tools on the cars, but it is easier once you use them a lot, since everything is multiples of 10...never mind.

My favorite American company, though, is Chevy...i.e. Corvette, Chevelle SS...all that good stuff...
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Living-In-Clip on January 03, 2004, 10:09:51 PM
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Originally posted by Bozco
Cars are actually all about luck.


To a degree, I agree. You may be one of the unlucky one\'s who get\'s a lemon right off the factory line. Still, a huge part on how long a car runs depends on the user treats it, which nulls out of the luck factor.
\\
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: GmanJoe on January 03, 2004, 10:13:19 PM
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
To a degree, I agree. You may be one of the unlucky one\'s who get\'s a lemon right off the factory line.


I call those cars "Made on Friday". When the workers just wanna get home after a grueling week at the factory.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Bozco on January 04, 2004, 01:53:26 AM
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
To a degree, I agree. You may be one of the unlucky one\'s who get\'s a lemon right off the factory line. Still, a huge part on how long a car runs depends on the user treats it, which nulls out of the luck factor.
\\


But it\'s possible to treat a car perfect and it still go bad on you.  Considering how much you spend on a car that just isn\'t right.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: Ace on January 04, 2004, 03:48:09 AM
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Originally posted by ooseven


American Craftsmanship = an oxymoron


Not when it comes to making bombs and saving your . . .

Oops, wrong forum.


There is something about getting lucky and there is also a good percentage of people out there who have no idea how to maintain a car.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: clips on January 04, 2004, 06:07:09 AM
oil changes & tune ups will basically give your car a long life. now modding it & adding nitris nitro? whatever & racin the hell out of it will cut it\'s life in half.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: videoholic on January 04, 2004, 06:29:42 AM
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
BMW are awesome cars. Too bad the insurance is so damn high. :(


My insurance on my BMW is 25$ ever 6 months more than my Nissan Altima.

Damage is expensive, but bodily injury is extremely low.

Vice versa on the Altima.
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: clips on January 04, 2004, 06:42:22 AM
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Originally posted by SER
Cool, I was about to purchase a 92 SC about a month ago, but the deal fell through. Right now, I\'m stuck with my 96 ES300. Hey, if you\'re looking for another good forums to visit, check out http://www.clublexus.com. I\'m a regular over there as well, my sn is juan01. :)



 yo bro thanks for the hook up! that\'s an excellent site. i will register soon & i have already seen some of your posts in the es forums. :)
Title: Asian Vs. American
Post by: GmanJoe on January 04, 2004, 07:17:52 AM
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Originally posted by videoholic
My insurance on my BMW is 25$ ever 6 months more than my Nissan Altima.

Damage is expensive, but bodily injury is extremely low.

Vice versa on the Altima.


did you get the sports suspension? That\'s what we got. I love it! A bit too hard for our friends\' expectation though. Definitely a car not made for those with size D tits. :D