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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Samwise on January 07, 2004, 02:19:05 PM
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Charles Singleton was executed in Arkansas for a murder in 1979 (during a robbery). The thing is that he was diagnosed with schizofrenic paranoia (direct translation) - so they forced some strong medicine into the guy and gave him a nice shot of poison.
http://ekstrabladet.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=233472 (Danish source, sowwy)
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Only in America.
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was the death sentence issued by a judge or a jury?
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Originally posted by buddha of budd
was the death sentence issued by a judge or a jury?
It says that the appeal from his lawyer was turned down by a \'federal court\'.
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Didn\'t Bush sign the death sentence Mentally sick prisioner on death row the day he entered into office to become Prez G.W. Bush.
yeah he DID.
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Who cares if he was ill or not... he murdered someone. :rolleyes:
Some people say Hitler was mentally unstable yet I am sure each and everyone of you who complain about this would have supported his execution had he been caught.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Who cares if he was ill or not... he murdered someone. :rolleyes:
Some people say Hitler was mentally unstable yet I am sure each and everyone of you who complain about this would have supported his execution had he been caught.
You\'re right, it\'s exactly the same. Hitler only killed a few million people more. :)
But I guess I\'m just old fashioned. I don\'t believe in killing people - two wrongs don\'t make a right. You\'re not any better than the guy himself then. Well, except that you\'re not mentally ill. :rolleyes:
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[me trying to be a right wing conservative mode]
Stop being a bleeding heart liberal Sammy
A eye for a eye and all that
Kill them all and let God sort them out
Yeeehhhaaa Right is Might !
[/me trying to be a right wing conservative mode]
nah sorry i can\'t do it..
Look if someone is mentally ill then they should receive all the aid and support that they need, and because of their condition they didn’t act out of any cold blood or pre-meditative nature.
Simply saying "oh he still killed" won\'t do because your ignoring that in most conditions make the case very complex indeed and it should be as “black & white” as some people say.
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At least I am not hypocritical about life... I am pro choice and pro capital punishment unlike some other right wingers who only see life being important when it is in the womb.
Anyway, the guy murdered someone, the world and our society is better off without him. Mental defects that endanger others is quite a different story from people suffering from other mental illnesses that don\'t effect others around them.
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So we should just kill people with Mental defects that endanger others no matter if they have done something or not ?
a bit extreme.
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Being the Fascist that I am I would have to say yes.
Seriously, the ones that are dangerous should be locked away in an institution, but like anything in this world, nothing is absolute - so knowing and locating every dangerous mentally ill person and "treating" them is just not possible. If a person committed murder they should expect the same to happen to them.
Sorry I don\'t subscribe to the "humanitarian" views of socialist Europe.
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No big loss. That\'s all I gotta say.
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And all I have to say is you people are no better than any other street criminal who murders people. The only difference is, your killing is legal and you have the goverment backing you up. Not to mention you bible belt motherf**ker\'s still go by "an eye for an eye" philosphy.
The man is mentally ill. Do you know what that means? He was not completely aware of right and wrong. You are saying it is okay to kill someone, who has a mental defect that they cannot help or may not even know about. You\'re basically saying, we should just go out, get everyone who have mental problems and kill them all.
If a person committed murder they should expect the same to happen to them.
I know you\'re intelligent, yet I am confused by such a stupid statement. You ignore the obvious. If someone is truly afflicted with such a mental illness, at the time of the crime or at any time, they may not realize right from wrong.
Personally, like I said, I think you are no better than any other murderer.
With all that said, it\'s stories like this that make me think America is one of most hyproctical and cold countries in the world. We preach peace, we have all these great things and we turn around and kill our own people. This is why the country has went to hell in a hand basket. America is a bloody thirsty beast, that doesn\'t get enough death. We send our people oversea\'s to get killed. We watch our own people kill each other, then we kill our own people in the name of "justice". In the meantime, we ignore anything important in our country. Our schools are some of the worst and our children grow up with no future , just to feed the beast, when their time comes. May it be sent oversea\'s in the name of some \'peaceful war\' or in the name of "justice".
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
At least I am not hypocritical about life... I am pro choice and pro capital punishment unlike some other right wingers who only see life being important when it is in the womb.
Not at all. It\'s just that those unborn babies never KILLED ANYONE.
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Jeffrey Dahmler, David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy. etc were all mentally ill. I suppose you think they shouldn\'t pay the ultimate price for their crimes? Granted Berkowitz is still in jail, but he actually had a parole hearing in 2002! Yeah our justice system is really harsh. :rolleyes:
There are numerous others who were obviously mentally ill (Albert Fish, Eddie Gein, etc) who one could argue couldn\'t tell the difference between right and wrong. People like these need to be weeded out and disposed of. This does not mean I think anyone with a mental illness should be locked away or euthanized. The ones who pose a threat to others and themselves should be dealt with one way or another. I am sorry I don\'t share your philanthropist view.
I am also puzzled with your rant on how you can connect the treatment of a mentally ill criminal with the war in Iraq.
:rolleyes:
Oh and by the way the reason this country went to hell is due to all of the liberal influences and diverse cultures ripping at the fabric of what it is to be an American. Thank the ACLU.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Jeffrey Dahmler, David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy. etc were all mentally ill. I suppose you think they shouldn\'t pay the ultimate price for their crimes? Granted Berkowitz is still in jail, but he actually had a parole hearing in 2002! Yeah our justice system is really harsh. :rolleyes:
There are numerous others who were obviously mentally ill (Albert Fish, Eddie Gein, etc) who one could argue couldn\'t tell the difference between right and wrong. People like these need to be weeded out and disposed of. This does not mean I think anyone with a mental illness should be locked away or euthanized. The ones who pose a threat to others and themselves should be dealt with one way or another. I am sorry I don\'t share your philanthropist view.
I am also puzzled with your rant on how you can connect the treatment of a mentally ill criminal with the war in Iraq.
:rolleyes:
Oh and by the way the reason this country went to hell is due to all of the liberal influences and diverse cultures ripping at the fabric of what it is to be an American. Thank the ACLU.
And you\'re problem is you are to eager to kill. Not to mention you support to the death penatly, but the death penatly is suppose to protect people who are (1) innocent or (2) mentally ill and not aware of right or wrong. There is no reason to kill these people for something they cannot help.
And no this country went to hell along time ago. America is a cess-pool waiting for a revolution, in my opinion.
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Some people are better off dead. I have no compassion for those that would harm others whether they are sane or insane.
You are right this country went to hell a long time ago. America is a cess pool waiting for a good cleansing of those who do not conform. ;)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And you\'re problem is you are to eager to kill. Not to mention you support to the death penatly, but the death penatly is suppose to protect people who are (1) innocent or (2) mentally ill and not aware of right or wrong. There is no reason to kill these people for something they cannot help.
And no this country went to hell along time ago. America is a cess-pool waiting for a revolution, in my opinion.
Eager to kill? Or eager to punish?
Hell, I personally favor forced, harsh labor for capital criminals as an alternative (not to save their lives, but just to make their deaths take several slow, agonizing years AND to help repay their unending debt to society.)
But since that will never happen, my secondary belief is that if you take a life in cold blood, your own is forfeit. I don\'t care if you\'re mentally ill or not. If you steal someone else\'s right to live, you don\'t deserve it yourself. Criminals are not victims.
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On the average, it costs the US more to execute any given prisoner, than it would to keep them alive and have them do labor, such as picking up litter on the road, making their own food and the list goes on and on.
In today\'s world, there is no decent reason for capital punishment. When it was established, it was went to deter possible criminals of doing the crime, in fear of the death penatly. That has not worked. Now it is nothing more than a tool of vengence. This is why people still line up , people not effected by the person who was killed, or the criminal about to be killed, just so they can protest or watch it happen. In my opinion, the capital punishment is a sickening event we have carried over from older more barbaric times.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
On the average, it costs the US more to execute any given prisoner, than it would to keep them alive and have them do labor, such as picking up litter on the road, making their own food and the list goes on and on.
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That\'s why I favor this solution... 18 hours of hard labor every single day, stopping only for meals and toilet breaks. No reprieve at all. I think that would work better as a deterrent as well. I bet the idea of 18 hours of backbreaking forced labor every day until you die is a much worse fate than a little injection.
In today\'s world, there is no decent reason for capital punishment. When it was established, it was went to deter possible criminals of doing the crime, in fear of the death penatly. That has not worked. Now it is nothing more than a tool of vengence. This is why people still line up , people not effected by the person who was killed, or the criminal about to be killed, just so they can protest or watch it happen. In my opinion, the capital punishment is a sickening event we have carried over from older more barbaric times.
For those people, yeah. But what it really boils down to is not so much deterrence or vengeance as simple punishment. You pay the price for the crime. And all things considered, most murderers aren\'t quite as merciful as their deaths end up being.
As far as sickening events from barbaric times, sex is also one of those, is it not? :)
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Only in America.
indeed, in other countries he would get stoned, or have an arm cut off, or his family would be shot in public square
:rolleyes:
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Why would we let this guy rot in prison? If he\'s retarded and a killer then there\'s no hope for him anyway. Maybe he didn\'t even notice them slip it into his arm.
Originally posted by mm
indeed, in other countries he would get stoned, or have an arm cut off, or his family would be shot in public square
:rolleyes:
Exactly!
LIC...move to Canada.
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Originally posted by mm
indeed, in other countries he would get stoned, or have an arm cut off, or his family would be shot in public square
Har. So the US is only 75% on the absurd scale, yay.
I second the thought about making the crimals slave 18 hours a day - that way they get what they deserve (and it\'s much worse than death IMO) and we aren\'t being murderers ourselves.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Har. So the US is only 75% on the absurd scale, yay.
I second the thought about making the crimals slave 18 hours a day - that way they get what they deserve (and it\'s much worse than death IMO) and we aren\'t being murderers ourselves.
Take rights away from them. Don\'t let them have TV\'s, magazines and make them wour 18 hours a day, then go back in their cell and I gurantee people would be scared of prison.
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Yes. A fate worse than death.
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Originally posted by mm
indeed, in other countries he would get stoned, or have an arm cut off, or his family would be shot in public square
:rolleyes:
Not anymore. Did you not get the memo. Yeah Right. We freed those people.
They were all in Iraq. :D
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Originally posted by Capcom
Not anymore. Did you not get the memo. Yeah Right. We freed those people.
They were all in Iraq. :D
Freed!!!
Don\'t think you can get away with bullshit statements like that when non-americans are present!
Trade one horror for another, that\'s the best that\'s happened so far.
Edit: Yeah, I know I promised not to row about that again but I can\'t help it, there\'s so much regarding Iraq to talk about and this self imposed restriction that exists purely for my sanity is driving me mental!
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so your saying the iraq\'s were better off with saddaam in power?
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And all I have to say is you people are no better than any other street criminal who murders people. The only difference is, your killing is legal and you have the goverment backing you up. Not to mention you bible belt motherf**ker\'s still go by "an eye for an eye" philosphy.
The man is mentally ill. Do you know what that means? He was not completely aware of right and wrong. You are saying it is okay to kill someone, who has a mental defect that they cannot help or may not even know about. You\'re basically saying, we should just go out, get everyone who have mental problems and kill them all.
I know you\'re intelligent, yet I am confused by such a stupid statement. You ignore the obvious. If someone is truly afflicted with such a mental illness, at the time of the crime or at any time, they may not realize right from wrong.
Personally, like I said, I think you are no better than any other murderer.
With all that said, it\'s stories like this that make me think America is one of most hyproctical and cold countries in the world. We preach peace, we have all these great things and we turn around and kill our own people. This is why the country has went to hell in a hand basket. America is a bloody thirsty beast, that doesn\'t get enough death. We send our people oversea\'s to get killed. We watch our own people kill each other, then we kill our own people in the name of "justice". In the meantime, we ignore anything important in our country. Our schools are some of the worst and our children grow up with no future , just to feed the beast, when their time comes. May it be sent oversea\'s in the name of some \'peaceful war\' or in the name of "justice".
Shuddup you seem very shallow. You obviously have never lost anyone close to you too violence. And I don\'t care what you say. Anyone who has the ability to pick up and gun or knife and kill someone knows what they are doing.
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Originally posted by mm
so your saying the iraq\'s were better off with saddaam in power?
I\'m just saying that to use the word \'free\' at this stage is utilising artistic licence, the job is far from done. Saddam is gone but it\'s total chaos in his wake as the power vortex gets slowly filled with terrorists while the west sits on their arses doing sweet f.a. about it.
And to add to the current subject, Loons should not be killed for killing, obviously something beyond their control was influencing them and for that we shouldn\'t meet out the ultimate justice, just lock them up forever.
If anyone kills and they know what they\'re doing then they should be given the death penalty, that\'s the black and white part of capital punishment.
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Originally posted by Green Meanie
I\'m just saying that to use the word \'free\' at this stage is utilising artistic licence, the job is far from done. Saddam is gone but it\'s total chaos in his wake as the power vortex gets slowly filled with terrorists while the west sits on their arses doing sweet f.a. about it.
That\'s crap, don\'t say the average American death there each day is "sitting on their arse". What\'s sad is that there are guys out there risking their lives and in a very dangerous environment when you sit behind your computer drinking your glass of lemonade and reference their interaction as "sitting in their arses".
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Originally posted by Green Meanie
I\'m just saying that to use the word \'free\' at this stage is utilising artistic licence, the job is far from done. Saddam is gone but it\'s total chaos in his wake as the power vortex gets slowly filled with terrorists while the west sits on their arses doing sweet f.a. about it.
And to add to the current subject, Loons should not be killed for killing, obviously something beyond their control was influencing them and for that we shouldn\'t meet out the ultimate justice, just lock them up forever.
If anyone kills and they know what they\'re doing then they should be given the death penalty, that\'s the black and white part of capital punishment.
damn i love topics about the war in iraq. i love debating with the "patriots" in here. but as much as i was against the war the west is not sitting on their ass..those soldiers are just being told what to do..what they have to do..now if you meant those politicians sittin on their ass and not doin nothing you\'re right! When i see rumsfield & crew gloating over when they caught saddam i just wanted to smack them! as if THEY did all the work!
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Shuddup you seem very shallow. You obviously have never lost anyone close to you too violence. And I don\'t care what you say. Anyone who has the ability to pick up and gun or knife and kill someone knows what they are doing.
Speaking from mental retardation experience obviously.
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Originally posted by mm
so your saying the iraq\'s were better off with saddaam in power?
I\'ve said it before, I\'ll say it again. If he wants to slaughter his people, more power to him. I could care less, its all the way over there.
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Originally posted by mm
indeed, in other countries he would get stoned, or have an arm cut off, or his family would be shot in public square
:rolleyes:
or in other counties the person might of receved enough support and treatment so that the murder didn\'t take place to begin with.
you can truely judge a culture not only by the way it treats its criminals, but by the way it treats the mental ill.
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Originally posted by ooseven
or in other counties the person might of receved enough support and treatment so that the murder didn\'t take place to begin with.
you can truely judge a culture not only by the way it treats its criminals, but by the way it treats the mental ill.
If you wanna kill you gone kill no matter how much support you get.
Long live america
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Originally posted by ooseven
or in other counties the person might of receved enough support and treatment so that the murder didn\'t take place to begin with.
you can truely judge a culture not only by the way it treats its criminals, but by the way it treats the mental ill.
Now you\'re just spewing garbage. If you want to generalize all the time with cultures, is the rest of UK as ignorant as you?
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The British Empire, for centuries, raped and pillaged practically the entire world. They were oppressive and imperialistic like no one before or since. The only reason they still aren\'t is because they were so overextended that they couldn\'t keep control of their empire. Now they are back not far from where they started and without a hope of ever reclaiming the power they once had.
And not to single out Britain, this goes for all of Europe really. The only reason Europeans are so wishy-washy and sensitive now is because they no longer have the capacity to be the imperialist monsters they were for hundreds of years, thanks to those early 20th century rulers who wanted a jolly old war that ended up killing and destroying not quite enough to start another war a generation later that basically ended the continent\'s dominance. Now, after they almost blew themselves to hell too many times to do it again, the people there criticize America for an infinitely more benign form of expansion in the world than what they brought to the table in their heyday.