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Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: THX on January 11, 2004, 09:16:19 AM
Right-click, save as (http://www.calviniscool.com/misc/copter_kills.mpeg)

I got permission from Ryu to post the vid, it\'s not that gory.  Just thought it was interesting to show a soldier\'s perspective rather than CNN\'s.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Samwise on January 11, 2004, 10:05:33 AM
That\'s rather disturbing...
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Post by: Tyrant on January 11, 2004, 10:11:13 AM
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Originally posted by Samwise
That\'s rather disturbing...


it is,... the third guy, in the few seconds after being shot at must\'ve suffered quite a bit before being shot at again.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Seed_Of_Evil on January 11, 2004, 11:32:59 AM
it\'s pretty interesting... at least for me (not for those soldiers). I like everything related to army: weapons, fighter jets, tanks... and this movie shows clearly how technology plays nowadays a very important role in war.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Coredweller on January 11, 2004, 11:44:29 AM
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Originally posted by Seed_Of_Evil
it\'s pretty interesting... at least for me (not for those soldiers). I like everything related to army: weapons, fighter jets, tanks... and this movie shows clearly how technology plays nowadays a very important role in war.
Yes, it allows a person to psychologically detach himself from the act of tearing apart a human body with a 30mm cannon.  That detachment in itself is horrifying.  I believe our world might be better if we still had to fight wars with Roman technology.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Samwise on January 11, 2004, 11:47:05 AM
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Yes, it allows a person to psychologically detach himself from the act of tearing apart a human body with a 30mm cannon.  That detachment in itself is horrifying.  I believe our world might be better if we still had to fight wars with Roman technology.

Hear hear. Hell, it looks like a videogame for crying out loud.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: GmanJoe on January 11, 2004, 12:14:58 PM
I got that clip from another board. I was gonna post it here but....if ooseven removes a link I posted about a guy ringing a bell, how can this one still stay on here?

:gman:

I\'ll be back with more links. ooseven is dork. :)
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Jumpman on January 11, 2004, 12:26:53 PM
Quite of interesting how they can just overpowered someone to their death there.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: GigaShadow on January 11, 2004, 01:34:01 PM
DAMN IT!!! IT IS DEAD!!!! :(  LIC knows how much I love death.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Titan on January 11, 2004, 04:55:24 PM
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Originally posted by Seed_Of_Evil
it\'s pretty interesting... at least for me (not for those soldiers). I like everything related to army: weapons, fighter jets, tanks... and this movie shows clearly how technology plays nowadays a very important role in war.


You and me are more alike than I thought (except about the moon landing and the fact I don\'t like soccer :) )

I\'m downloading the movie now. The Apache is an amazing bit of technology. A pilot can just look at a target and hit the button. Its one hell of a helicopter.
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Post by: Bozco on January 11, 2004, 05:07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Samwise
Hell, it looks like a videogame for crying out loud.


.....yea.  Scary that we couldn\'t differentiate between real and game.  And those bullets just mow through everything.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Titan on January 11, 2004, 06:13:38 PM
I downloaded it and keep watching it over and over. It gives me a new respect for what our troops and pilots are ordered to do.
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Post by: clips on January 11, 2004, 06:36:03 PM
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Originally posted by Titan
I downloaded it and keep watching it over and over. It gives me a new respect for what our troops and pilots are ordered to do.



 i found myself doin that too. what is that thing those two iraqs were coming out of? a tank? damn!  body parts was flying all over the place
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: SwifDi on January 11, 2004, 06:41:38 PM
Man, those bullets went through that truck like paper. Pretty scary.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Halberto on January 11, 2004, 06:50:23 PM
damn, it was like shooting a watermelon with a machine gun.
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Post by: videoholic on January 11, 2004, 07:57:14 PM
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Originally posted by ViVi
damn, it was like shooting a watermelon with a machine gun.


Except for of course the watermelon is probably a father..
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Halberto on January 11, 2004, 08:55:44 PM
But watermelons dont like americans and blow themselves up and wipe their ass with their hand and rub it on the wall
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Post by: theomen on January 11, 2004, 09:03:46 PM
^^
I don\'t care what anybody says, that was f*ck\'n funny.  :D
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Post by: THX on January 11, 2004, 09:32:41 PM
lol, first part didn\'t make sense but yea it gave me a chuckle or three
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: videoholic on January 12, 2004, 04:36:51 AM
Have you ever seen them seedless watermelons?  They can get a little crazy.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Titan on January 12, 2004, 06:58:53 PM
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Originally posted by THX
lol, first part didn\'t make sense but yea it gave me a chuckle or three


I can\'t laugh at the fact that people are getting mowed down, especially so unevenly matched. They were unarmed by the looks of it against a chain gun in an Apache attack helicopter.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: clips on January 12, 2004, 07:11:40 PM
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Originally posted by Titan
I can\'t laugh at the fact that people are getting mowed down, especially so unevenly matched. They were unarmed by the looks of it against a chain gun in an Apache attack helicopter.


 well apparently these cats had to have done something..i mean i don\'t think they are going to mow down people for no reason. alot of iraqs are helping the u.s. snuff out rebels & terrorists over there. alot of you cats know i was not for the war, and i\'m not mad at the soldiers...not their fault they are there, so i say protect yourself by any means necessary.
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Post by: Bozco on January 12, 2004, 08:14:04 PM
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Originally posted by clips
well apparently these cats had to have done something..i mean i don\'t think they are going to mow down people for no reason. alot of iraqs are helping the u.s. snuff out rebels & terrorists over there. alot of you cats know i was not for the war, and i\'m not mad at the soldiers...not their fault they are there, so i say protect yourself by any means necessary.


They were shooting cats?
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: THX on January 12, 2004, 10:17:01 PM
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Originally posted by Titan
I can\'t laugh at the fact that people are getting mowed down, especially so unevenly matched. They were unarmed by the looks of it against a chain gun in an Apache attack helicopter.

I was laughing at Vivi\'s post, not the video.  I found the vid eye-opening.
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Post by: ooseven on January 13, 2004, 03:55:26 AM
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
I got that clip from another board. I was gonna post it here but....if ooseven removes a link I posted about a guy ringing a bell, how can this one still stay on here?

:gman:


Well for a start this one is intresting and promotes discusion ...

Yours was just a movie of a guy playing with his Bellend and would of just resulted in reply afer reply of..just

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lol


&

Quote

*insert bell end joke*


no great loss that i closed it ....


So please Gman GET the **** over it !

p.s.
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Seeing that ithis tread ...has sparkd some grown-up speek ..Shouldn\'t this be moved to the polictical forum ?
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Anyway back on topic.

I find it strange that the Pilot didn\'t take out the Vehicles and leave the 3 enemy soilders stranded but ALIVE ?

Also why did he shoot on the 3 one again ?

From the looks of things he was badly injured and was clearly not a threat to anyone..."pilots Gunho" attatude ?
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Post by: GmanJoe on January 13, 2004, 05:22:37 AM
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Originally posted by ooseven
Well for a start this one is intresting and promotes discusion ...

Yours was just a movie of a guy playing with his Bellend and would of just resulted in reply afer reply of..just
&
no great loss that i closed it ....

So please Gman GET the **** over it !



The fact that you removed the link was stupid on your part, even other mods thought your jumped the gun and in my opinion, it shows how low your intelligence is that you first didn\'t realize he was ringing a bell. Someone had to TELL YOU. Ya dumb stupid fat Brit.

Lots of other threads end on its own without your help, ya fat balding shmuck.
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Post by: ooseven on January 13, 2004, 05:40:24 AM
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
The fact that you removed the link was stupid on your part, even other mods thought your jumped the gun and in my opinion, it shows how low your intelligence is that you first didn\'t realize he was ringing a bell. Someone had to TELL YOU. Ya dumb stupid fat Brit.

Lots of other threads end on its own without your help, ya fat balding shmuck.


Gman...clam down it was just ONE ! thread ....GET OVER IT !

I find this strange considering we already give you more freedom to post than most other members.

yeah if you were a new member and acted in the same way you would of been banned by now...

Please try and remember & we already cut you more than enough slack.

God... what is it with some members, its almost as if i knee cap you &  pissed on you while you were on the gorund bleeding & then burned down your house.

as for over reacting.

All i have to say is if i let something slip when i should of acted then its my fault !

i closed it just to be SAFE... ok
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: GmanJoe on January 13, 2004, 05:58:04 AM
Safe? From what? He was ringing a bell!

Anyway, yeah, I won\'t say anymore about this one. But I\'m sure you\'ll lock more of my threads like the American/British History threads of mine you locked.

Oh...no more "LOL" threads from any of us, right? Check, captain. Remember to lock those or I\'ll remind you.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Samwise on January 13, 2004, 06:05:44 AM
I vote 007 vs. GmanJoe in a Celeb Deathmatch! Whoo!
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: ooseven on January 13, 2004, 06:08:02 AM
I vote we stop ruining THX’s  or anyone else’s thread and keep conversation  on the private message system.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: fastson on January 13, 2004, 06:10:45 AM
Looks like they were repairing a tractor? Did I just witness a tripple murder?
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: ooseven on January 13, 2004, 06:14:03 AM
Hard to say they look un armmed, it would be better if we can see a TEXT transcript  or related story of what happend.

hey THX if you have it post it too.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Green Meanie on January 13, 2004, 08:28:18 AM
What I saw there was three totally unarmen men offering no resistance and a couple of gun-ho f*cking yank idiots realising theyre off the leash in a war zone and they can do whatever the f*ck they want.

Makes me angry when they probably would have given up if they\'d seen the thing that was totally gibbing them, past evidence shows that you only have to show them the threat of force and 90% bug out instantly.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: GmanJoe on January 13, 2004, 08:32:21 AM
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Originally posted by Green Meanie
What I saw there was three totally unarmen men offering no resistance and a couple of gun-ho f*cking yank idiots realising theyre off the leash in a war zone and they can do whatever the f*ck they want.

Makes me angry when they probably would have given up if they\'d seen the thing that was totally gibbing them, past evidence shows that you only have to show them the threat of force and 90% bug out instantly.


They weren\'t unarmed. I saw a longer video footage of this. They were leaving weapons on the side of the road for someone else to pick up later and use against Coalition forces.
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Post by: Bozco on January 13, 2004, 08:32:40 AM
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Originally posted by Green Meanie
What I saw there was three totally unarmen men offering no resistance and a couple of gun-ho f*cking yank idiots realising theyre off the leash in a war zone and they can do whatever the f*ck they want.

Makes me angry when they probably would have given up if they\'d seen the thing that was totally gibbing them, past evidence shows that you only have to show them the threat of force and 90% bug out instantly.


Now how do you know what they were doing in any shape or form?  What you said about showing force is true but you don\'t know what they were doing with the trucks or anything, you\'re just guessing.
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Post by: GmanJoe on January 13, 2004, 08:37:14 AM
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Originally posted by Bozco
Now how do you know what they were doing in any shape or form?  What you said about showing force is true but you don\'t know what they were doing with the trucks or anything, you\'re just guessing.


Precisley. The men were being watched for a few minutes. They were just standing by the truck talking. The Americans said to wait and see if they were hostile. After a while, you see them take out what looked to be an AK-47 and leave it by the roadside. For who? Who knows. But this is the same tactic the Viet Cong used in the Vietnam War. They\'d stash weapons for guerrilla insurgents and when Americans were near by, they\'d run to the stash and start shooting.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: ooseven on January 13, 2004, 08:47:26 AM
Couldn\'t the Apache  monitored them form a safe distance & just radio for ground back-up so they they could arrest the men and find out what they were up to ?

i mean aren\'t we suposed to be winning them over "hearts & minds " ?

or are our forces now taking over the role of Judge , jury and executioner.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: GmanJoe on January 13, 2004, 08:49:23 AM
The thing is, that may have been during the war campaign and not after the Fall of Baghdad.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: ooseven on January 13, 2004, 08:51:04 AM
like a said the occupying text would be very helpful indeed.

Anyone know were the clip is from ?

hey Ryu did THX tell you whne he PM you ?
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Post by: Bozco on January 13, 2004, 08:53:40 AM
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Originally posted by ooseven
Couldn\'t the Apache  monitored them form a safe distance & just radio for ground back-up so they they could arrest the men and find out what they were up to ?

i mean aren\'t we suposed to be winning them over "hearts & minds " ?

or are our forces now taking over the role of Judge , jury and executioner.


Winning Iraqi citizens over but armed militants maybe not....

Really, we don\'t know what was going on so how could we make guesses on what they should have done.
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: ooseven on January 13, 2004, 08:57:39 AM
but still shooting at a badly injured "combatant" when your in a Heavily armed attack Helicopter, tends to give us all a bad taste in the mouth.

Anyhoo looks like this thred has started some political debate over the war…

So it gets Promoted to the Current Events and Political Debate forum
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Post by: SwifDi on January 13, 2004, 11:22:04 AM
I still have no idea why ooseven is a mod. Can people be demodded?
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Post by: THX on January 13, 2004, 12:07:45 PM
Sorry for not posting any background text, I\'ll try and find some.  What I remember is that thse guys were distributing RPGs from that truck..


Remember this is a war, not a raid.  Imagine if the Iraqis had the equipment of the US or Britain.  You think they would take the same precautions?
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Post by: ooseven on January 13, 2004, 12:20:07 PM
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Originally posted by SwifDi
I still have no idea why ooseven is a mod. Can people be demodded?


yes .. in fact why don\'t you start a campaign, its a free world.


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Originally posted by THX
Sorry for not posting any background text, I\'ll try and find some.  What I remember is that thse guys were distributing RPGs from that truck..


Remember this is a war, not a raid.  Imagine if the Iraqis had the equipment of the US or Britain.  You think they would take the same precautions?


Nice for the clear up, at least we know they were not doing something other than out right terrorism.

Still it would be nice to find out whos at the bottom of this, something tells me that Saddam and his sit in a holecovered in his own muck didn\'t cause this level of Insurgence.
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Post by: Kurt Angle on January 13, 2004, 12:28:56 PM
I am guessing these articles relates to this incident.

http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2003/11/14112003124849.asp

http://www.the-crease.org/archives/00001397.html
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Halberto on January 13, 2004, 01:39:53 PM
ooseven if you were shot and injured(he looked pretty bad), wouldn\'t you want to be killed quickly than lay there?
Title: Apache Heli nabbing Iraqis w/30mm Chain Gun
Post by: Capcom on January 13, 2004, 02:58:29 PM
Only in Iraq.:D
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Post by: Halberto on January 13, 2004, 07:12:09 PM
:laughing: yeah. You might have a chance if you were in the US
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Post by: square_marker on January 13, 2004, 07:38:13 PM
maybe they just were fighting for the wrong person.  It\'s a shame 3 people had to be killed like that, but hey that is the harsh reality of war.

I wish Bush was here to comment on this video, i can imagion im saying something like, "Don\'t mess with Texas."
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Post by: Black Samurai on January 13, 2004, 09:01:51 PM
Probably not related but interesting.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040113_860.html (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040113_860.html)

About an Apache shot down yesterday.