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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Cyrus on January 16, 2004, 06:24:39 AM
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You know its not really that I dislike them so what eat what you want its the extremists the "PETA" pricks that I cant stand. I was stoping in for one of those 6 dollars burgers at Carls JR and bam Im covered in Damn Vegetarians telling me how the animals were slaughtered and tourtured and crap like that.
Here is what I propose:
The bunch of us go in toghther and open a Resturant called "Vegetarians Only" we lure them in sit them down and cover the menu in nothing but animal dishes. Steak and BBQ chicken plater or Beef Tartar.
and for a slogan........
Salad............. It\'s what food EATS.
Got any other ideas?
oh and..
:gman:
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That\'s what gripes me about them.
We don\'t force them to share our views, but they do this sort of crap to try to get us to follow their suit.
If they want eat plants for every meal, and spend the day with no energy, then let them, as long as they don\'t try to stop the rest of us normaltons eating the way we were intended to.
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Why don\'t you guys just hunt down a human herbivore and eat it. That\'s what I do. So far, I\'ve hunted down one female vegitarian, and after eating her for a while, she wanted to marry me.
Then I stabbed her with my stick and she just screamed "Oh my God, Jesus! Don\'t ever stop!!!"
She was weird. So I kicked out of my bed and later that day, I noticed all my vegitables were missing.
I\'m very angry right now.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Why don\'t you guys just hunt down a human herbivore and eat it. That\'s what I do. So far, I\'ve hunted down one female vegitarian, and after eating her for a while, she wanted to marry me.
Then I stabbed her with my stick and she just screamed "Oh my God, Jesus! Don\'t ever stop!!!"
She was weird. So I kicked out of my bed and later that day, I noticed all my vegitables were missing.
I\'m very angry right now.
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...and (probably) confused! :eek:
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Originally posted by politiepet
...and (probably) confused! :eek:
I once charged at one of Holland\'s famous windmills. I thought it was a dragon. I heard someone else did that too. But he\'s more famous. Don Quixote was his name. Crazy Spanish guy. Adan is probably related to that coconut. ;)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Why don\'t you guys just hunt down a human herbivore and eat it. That\'s what I do. So far, I\'ve hunted down one female vegitarian, and after eating her for a while, she wanted to marry me.
Then I stabbed her with my stick and she just screamed "Oh my God, Jesus! Don\'t ever stop!!!"
She was weird. So I kicked out of my bed and later that day, I noticed all my vegitables were missing.
I\'m very angry right now.
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Dont you ever thing about it.I know that you want me too deeply :p
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meh...stupid double post! :(
guess there\'s only one more thing to do:
:gman:
;)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
I once charged at one of Holland\'s famous windmills. I thought it was a dragon. I heard someone else did that too. But he\'s more famous. Don Quixote was his name. Crazy Spanish guy. Adan is probably related to that coconut. ;)
more importantly.....did you kill it? :eek:
...stupid dragons attacking my country! :(
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Originally posted by politiepet
more importantly.....did you kill it? :eek:
...stupid dragons attacking my country! :(
That and little boys with their fingers in Dykes.
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I would love to show those PETA freaks what real meat tastes like. ;)
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If they want eat plants for every meal, and spend the day with no energy then let them, as long as they don\'t try to stop the rest of us normaltons eating the way we were intended to.
thats not most retarded thing i\'ve ever heard
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Originally posted by mm
thats not most retarded thing i\'ve ever heard
Really ?
/me gives mm the web address to the the Phantom "CONSOLE KULLER" forum ;)
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Humans are omnivores. We are designed to eat meat and veggies. We are also designed to hunt the meat and forage for veggies. Meh......I guess times change.
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Originally posted by mm
thats not most retarded thing i\'ve ever heard
That\'s NOT most retarded thing? :laughing: So he\'s actually smart? ;)
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Yeah, vegetarians piss me off. As long as they don\'t shove their beliefs down my throat I dont mind them. My history teacher is very liberal. Around Thanksgiving time, he was handing out pamphlets from PETA (he\'s vegetarian). I was laughing like hell. It said that meat is dangerous and if you eat it, it will kill you and the only way you would survive to old age and healthy is to eat beans and salads. Such ignorant comments :rolleyes: I should have asked him for the pamphlets.
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As long as they don\'t shove their beliefs down my throat I dont mind them.
your not catholic or christian by any chance, are you?
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I am not a vegetarian, nor do I support PETA. Having said that, I think you people are making a mistake confusing PETA with Vegetarians.
PETA: Primary concern is preventing cruelty to animals. I think some of them might even be meat eaters, as long as the animals are killed in a humane way. They oppose corporate mass production methods of raising and slaughtering animals. They also oppose animal testing, which has nothing to do with the food industry.
Vegetarians: Don\'t eat meat, but possibly for a variety of reasons. Could be because they think animals have souls, or because because they agree with PETA\'s assertion that the animals were killed in a cruel manner. Actually however, I think most vegetarians don\'t give a CRAP about the animals. They don\'t eat meat because they think it\'s unhealthy for THEM.
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Even meat-eaters have their ticks. Me, for instance.. I won\'t eat my red meat unless it\'s well-done.
Grayed. I mean, I\'ll eat it pink but it\'s gotta be well-done. Some people like only chicken and fish, too.
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I only eat steaks well done. Love chicken, but only white meat and I never eat fish.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
I am not a vegetarian, nor do I support PETA. Having said that, I think you people are making a mistake confusing PETA with Vegetarians.
PETA: Primary concern is preventing cruelty to animals. I think some of them might even be meat eaters, as long as the animals are killed in a humane way. They oppose corporate mass production methods of raising and slaughtering animals. They also oppose animal testing, which has nothing to do with the food industry.
Vegetarians: Don\'t eat meat, but possibly for a variety of reasons. Could be because they think animals have souls, or because because they agree with PETA\'s assertion that the animals were killed in a cruel manner. Actually however, I think most vegetarians don\'t give a CRAP about the animals. They don\'t eat meat because they think it\'s unhealthy for THEM.
This is all true but you find me a vegitarian that doesnt support PETA
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Originally posted by Cyrus
This is all true but you find me a vegitarian that doesnt support PETA
There are plenty. I am guessing you don\'t know any vegetarians.
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No I dont know "many" I know about 5 wich is 3 more than I need to know but all 5 while they are not "active" PETA supporters all agree with what PETA stands for.
but dont you worry you just get back to your big girls and save the whales baby!!
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Originally posted by mm
your not catholic or christian by any chance, are you?
Here we go again. :rolleyes:
Catholics ARE Christians. If you don\'t believe this, then you probably think that Christians did not exist until the Reformation...less than 500 years ago.
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Originally posted by Cyrus
No I dont know "many" I know about 5 wich is 3 more than I need to know but all 5 while they are not "active" PETA supporters all agree with what PETA stands for.
but dont you worry you just get back to your big girls and save the whales baby!!
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Jesus the humanity. Why do you have a pic like that?
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there is a definiative difference between catholics and christians
sorry, you didnt know
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I only eat steaks well done. Love chicken, but only white meat and I never eat fish.
Ah, a man after my own heart. :)
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Originally posted by mm
there is a definiative difference between catholics and christians
sorry, you didnt know
Ahm.Dont you mean between Catholics and Othodox?
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No, mm is right.
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huh?
Catholics arent Christians while Orthodox are?
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Originally posted by mm
your not catholic or christian by any chance, are you?
I grew up catholic but like two years ago became atheist/agnostic (been changing between the two) because I didn\'t agree with what the church was teaching me. Actually, I didn\'t like anything the church taught. Since then, I believed what I wanted and not what some guy in a robe tells me.
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yer all crazy, in my eyes.
With that, I get back to roasting a chicken and drinking beer and watching football.
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I thought all religions that believe in Jesus are christian?
Could be wrong though.
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Wrong because nearly every religion believes in Jesus, only thing is that they disagree on his significance. Even Islam acknowledges him.
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But they didn\'t believe he died for our sins or something like that.Damn this brings back memories of going to church when I was young.
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I believe that he existed, I just think he was one of many thousand outspoken jewish preachers that existed at that time.
The Romans didn\'t like that he was stirring up rebellion, so they killed him. Just like they did to hundreds or thousands of other outspoken preachers....
Back then, peeps believed that god put a baby directly in a woman\'s body. Mary
got pregnant out of wedlock, (probably at age 13 or so..)and was going to be stoned to death. Joseph married her to save her life. Since he never slept with her, the story came well after the fact (many years after Jesus died) that she was a virgin. That story fit in with some factions of christianity more than others....
Imagine back then if this happend to a local leader who promised to lead them from the hell of roman rule. In order to gain strength, you start embellishing this leader\'s exploits. (happens in every culture....)
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wow you bastards you wont be hijacking a thread of mine!!!! this has nothing to do with Jesus or the fact that he killed a chicken on the cross while eating a cow. Just leave my thread alone there are PLENTLY of other thread about Jesus and the Holy grail.
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So yeah, vegetarians suck.
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I find nothing wrong with eating a big juicy bloody-as-hell steak. I like my steak rare, or sometimes medium rare. Gotta love the chicken and some ham. mmmmm ham....
Im most definately an omnivore... (I think thats right)
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Originally posted by mm
there is a definiative difference between catholics and christians
sorry, you didnt know
I don\'t know what history class you and swifdi took but both of you are ignorant about the Catholic religion. Go got a Catholic church and see what is on the wall at the alter : Jesus Christ. Tell me where Protestants came from....the Catholic religion. Jesus is the center of our worship. Where did you get the prayer "Our Father" from? The Catholics. Now that I\'ve made both of you less dumb, maybe you two can be less divisive.
This is the kind of ignorance and exclusive claim to Jesus that the militant protestants (like the KKK) have been spewing about Catholics for a long time.
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Catholics and Christians are different buddy. Catholics pray to the Virgin Mary, who speaks to God. Christians view Mary as nothing more than the virgin who gave birth to Christ. Catholics also believe in purgatory, Christians do not. There are other differences a Google search would show, those are the ones off of the top of my head.
I used to be Catholic, and now I\'m Christian.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Catholics and Christians are different buddy. Catholics pray to the Virgin Mary, who speaks to God. Christians view Mary as nothing more than the virgin who gave birth to Christ. Catholics also believe in purgatory, Christians do not. There are other differences a Google search would show, those are the ones off of the top of my head.
I used to be Catholic, and now I\'m Christian.
Most Catholic do NOT pray to the Virgin Mary. Most Catholics do not believe in Purgatory. Tell me what a Christian is and you will see that Catholics are Christians.
Now tell me, where did Protestants and other denominations come from? When did Christians first exist? The 1500\'s? Tell me.
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Christianity simply branched off of Catholicism. I understand that generally they\'re the same thing, however you have to be careful when comparing the two.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Christianity simply branched off of Catholicism. I understand that generally they\'re the same thing, however you have to be careful when comparing the two.
Thanks for backing me up. Now be off with ye, fellow Christian. Remember, we worship Jesus and not only just believe in him.
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True, I was just trying my best to speak from a third person point of view so I wouldn\'t come off as biased.
*waves a flag for Jesus*
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*burns swifdi\'s jebus flag.
All worship mother earth, NOW!
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Catholics and Christians are different buddy. Catholics pray to the Virgin Mary, who speaks to God. Christians view Mary as nothing more than the virgin who gave birth to Christ. Catholics also believe in purgatory, Christians do not. There are other differences a Google search would show, those are the ones off of the top of my head.
I used to be Catholic, and now I\'m Christian.
Othodox and Catholic are different you mean.They are both Christians.There are some diffference in the way the view some things.
And Orthodox dont view virgin Mary only as the virgin that gave birth to Christ.
They pray to virgin Mary more than you think.In Greece and Cyprus they have given her many titles and names and praise her a lot and she is a more respectable figure than the saints.
There must be something else different about the way virgin Mary is viewed by the schism
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(MOB VOICE) I can see you still disrespect me (/MOB VOICE)
SO PLEASE SOME MOD CLOSE THIS FLIPPING THREAD!!!!
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Othodox and Catholic are different you mean.They are both Christians.There are some diffference in the way the view some things.
And Orthodox dont view virgin Mary only as the virgin that gave birth to Christ.
They pray to virgin Mary more than you think.In Greece and Cyprus they have given her many titles and names and praise her a lot and she is a more respectable figure than the saints.
There must be something else different about the way virgin Mary is viewed by the schism
Read my reply to Swifdi. Jesus is the center of our worship. I don\'t pray Hail Mary\'s and I know a lot of Cats that don\'t. In fact, think of the Vatican as the American Government, they tell us one thing and we do another. That doesn\'t make us less Catholic or Americans less patriotic.
Originally posted by Cyrus
(MOB VOICE) I can see you still disrespect me (/MOB VOICE)
SO PLEASE SOME MOD CLOSE THIS FLIPPING THREAD!!!!
Sorry. :) I had to make mm less dumb.
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
I believe that he existed, I just think he was one of many thousand outspoken jewish preachers that existed at that time.
The Romans didn\'t like that he was stirring up rebellion, so they killed him. Just like they did to hundreds or thousands of other outspoken preachers....
Back then, peeps believed that god put a baby directly in a woman\'s body. Mary
got pregnant out of wedlock, (probably at age 13 or so..)and was going to be stoned to death. Joseph married her to save her life. Since he never slept with her, the story came well after the fact (many years after Jesus died) that she was a virgin. That story fit in with some factions of christianity more than others....
Imagine back then if this happend to a local leader who promised to lead them from the hell of roman rule. In order to gain strength, you start embellishing this leader\'s exploits. (happens in every culture....)
I agree with you 100% Chiz. But there are some to believe (myself included) that Mary was raped by a Roman soldier and I guess to ashamed to admit it, so she claimed that she was a virgin. Unless ofcoarse, it was the way you take it in context. She may have said virgin because she didn\'t have sex with the man she loved but was raped by a soldier. Just my opinion ofcoarse :)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Read my reply to Swifdi. Jesus is the center of our worship. I don\'t pray Hail Mary\'s and I know a lot of Cats that don\'t. In fact, think of the Vatican as the American Government, they tell us one thing and we do another. That doesn\'t make us less Catholic or Americans less patriotic.
Sorry. :) I had to make mm less dumb.
i thought i was the only one who used the word "cats" around here! ;)
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I don\'t give a flying flip about religion, but I am technically a Catholic.
Just so you all know: Imagine Christianity is a big pie. Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Mormons, Unitarians, Methodists, Anglicans, Jehovah\'s Witnesses... all are slices of the pie. All are Christians.
Sorry you didn\'t know. :)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Read my reply to Swifdi. Jesus is the center of our worship. I don\'t pray Hail Mary\'s and I know a lot of Cats that don\'t.
Ok now it sounds differently than your previous post.I accept what you ment.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
I don\'t give a flying flip about religion, but I am technically a Catholic.
Just so you all know: Imagine Christianity is a big pie. Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Mormons, Unitarians, Methodists, Anglicans, Jehovah\'s Witnesses... all are slices of the pie. All are Christians.
Sorry you didn\'t know. :)
If you\'re going to say you "don\'t give a flying flip", then technically you aren\'t anything.
And believe me, that pie is very broad and general, because Mormons are NOT Christian. Not even close man, they have views and beliefs way off the wall. Don\'t make some gigantic generalization with different faiths that believe in Jesus, they are denominations and different religions for a reason.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
If you\'re going to say you "don\'t give a flying flip", then technically you aren\'t anything.
And believe me, that pie is very broad and general, because Mormons are NOT Christian. Not even close man, they have views and beliefs way off the wall. Don\'t make some gigantic generalization with different faiths that believe in Jesus, they are denominations and different religions for a reason.
Vapor, I know some Mormons who would strongly disagree with you about being called "NOT Christians." :) Not even close? Get real. They are called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Just because they don\'t observe things the way you do doesn\'t make them NOT Christians.
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They claim to be Christians but you won\'t find a single cross in any LDS temple. And of course they would strongly disagree, because they want to be recognized as a Christian faith.
AND YES NOT EVEN CLOSE. Get educated buddy, I\'ll help you.
Mormons believe they can become their own God. That\'s blasphemous because it is stated in the Bible that there is only one God, and to worship only Him.
They believe in many "levels" of heaven. The highest being the "Celestial Kingdom", oh and if your spouse isn\'t Mormon you cannot enter this super heaven.
If you are unmarried, you will be encouraged to marry a good Mormon as soon as possible. When you do marry, in a wedding ceremony in the temple, your non-Mormon family members and friends will not be allowed to attend the ceremony, because only "worthy" Mormons are allowed to enter the temple.
They even believe they can baptize the dead and make them advance through these levels of heaven.
And they\'re founded by some guy named Joseph Smith who claims to have had visions.
I can\'t think of anymore, but a quick Google search should help
Mormon theology teaches that god used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second was Satan, and then we all followed. The Jesus of Mormonism is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus, is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn\'t exist.
Mormonism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross itself (and receiving it by faith) is not sufficient to bring forgiveness of sins. It teaches that the forgiveness of sins is obtained though a cooperative effort with God; that is, we must be good and follow the laws and ordinances of the Mormon church in order to obtain forgiveness. Consider James Talmage, a very important Mormon figure who said, "The sectarian dogma of justification by faith alone has exercised an influence for evil" (Articles, p. 432), and "Hence the justice of the scriptural doctrine that salvation comes to the individual only through obedience" (Articles, p. 81). This contradicts the biblical doctrine of the forgiveness of sins by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9) and the doctrine that works are not part of our salvation but a result of them (Rom. 4:5, James 2:14-18).
To further confuse the matter, Mormonism further states that salvation is twofold. It maintains that salvation is both forgiveness of sins and universal resurrection. So when a Mormon speaks of salvation by grace, he is usually referring to universal resurrection. But the Bible speaks of salvation as the forgiveness of sins, not simple universal resurrection. Where Mormonism states that forgiveness of sins is not by faith alone, the Bible does teach it. Which is correct? Obviously, it is the Bible.
Mormonism, to justify its aberrant theology, has undermined the authority and trustworthiness of the Bible. The 8th article of faith from the Mormon Church states, "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly." The interesting thing is that Joseph Smith allegedly corrected the Bible in what is called The Inspired Version, though it is not used by the LDS church. Though they claim they trust the Bible, in reality they do not. They use Mormon presuppositions to interpret it. For example, where the Bible says there are no other gods in the universe (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8), they interpret it to mean "no other gods of this world." They do not trust what it says and they often state that the Bible is not translated correctly. This is what I have encountered numerous times when speaking to Mormons.
Why is Mormonism a non Christian cult? Because it adds works to salvation. It denies that Jesus is the uncreated creator. It alters the biblical teaching of the atonement. It contradicts the Christian teaching of monotheism. It undermines the authority and reliability of the Bible.
Bam.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Don\'t make some gigantic generalization with different faiths that believe in Jesus, they are denominations and different religions for a reason.
Taken from Merriam Webster:
Chris·tian \'kris-chun
1. One who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
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I know that mormon and his tenth wife believe in jesus.
And we all know how much the Cat priest believe in the teaching of jesus.
Yeah sure they are christians
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Christian = A person who professes Jesus as Christ.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I know that mormon and his tenth wife believe in jesus.
And we all know much the Cat priest believe in the teaching of jesus.
Yeah sure they are christians
Did you not read anything posted above? Muslims are closer to being Christians than Mormons.
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Following a quick Google search of sites that are not anti-mormon propaganda:
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
1 WE believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
You were saying?
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You\'re a mormon.
THEY ARE A MANUFACTURED RELIGION BY A GUY NAMED JOSEPH SMITH. THEY BELIEVE IN JESUS, HOWEVER THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE SAME JESUS THAT THE BIBLE STATES. THEY DON\'T BELIEVE HE CLEANSED US FROM ALL OF SIN AND THAT HE WAS NOT GOD IN THE FLESH.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Did you not read anything posted above? Muslims are closer to being Christians than Mormons.
I hope you read more into my post and actually see that I know mormons are not christians.
As far as muslims go. I know some. They are some of the most hypocrital ppl I have met. wht man this and that. Leave pork alone.
They talk all this blk..this and that man I have hardly ever seen them do much but put there foot in there mouth. I can\'t respect them.
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More from THE ARTICLES OF FAITH OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS (http://scriptures.lds.org/a_of_f/1)
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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Save your bam and save your educatin\'; I\'ve heard all this stuff before. If you have a problem with the things Mormons believe, I suggest you take it up with them. My point is that I don\'t think you have the authority to say they\'re not Christians. If you don\'t have that authority, then you certainly don\'t have the authority to say that Catholics are not Christians.
I think you should found the Egotistical Church of Christ, and proclaim yourself the Head Pastor. Then you can issue edicts evicting others from Christianity. At least that will lend a semblence of authority. Don\'t be surprised if no one cares.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
You\'re a mormon.
THEY ARE A MANUFACTURED RELIGION BY A GUY NAMED JOSEPH SMITH. THEY BELIEVE IN JESUS, HOWEVER THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE SAME JESUS THAT THE BIBLE STATES. THEY DON\'T BELIEVE HE CLEANSED US FROM ALL OF SIN AND THAT HE WAS NOT GOD IN THE FLESH.
Not so....I have actually sat down and talk to some. They believe jesus came too the mormons after he was risen from the dead and taught them.They also believe in some other things that i thought was very strange. Never read the mormon bible but that is what they told me.
Maybe there are different levels of mormons they where not the ones that believe in 12 wifes i don\'t think.
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SwifDi, how does the stuff I posted differ from the basic idea of christianity?
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I have nothing against Mormonism or Mormons. My school is full of them and they\'re all really good people, I\'m just saying the only ones who think Mormons are Christian, are Mormons.
I\'ve heard from Methodist, Baptist, Catholic, and Apostilic preachers who all DO NOT RECOGNIZE MORMONISM as a Christian faith.
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Ignorant little twits...
Being Christian as defined by the dictionary is
Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
That it simple not who pray too or what faith you are being christian is not a faith its simply the fact that you belive Christ excisted and that you follow his belives that said........
I like my steak mooing when I cut into it. As a matter of fact when I see a cow grazing make me hungry just thinking about it
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
SwifDi, how does the stuff I posted differ from the basic idea of christianity?
Because the Jesus Christ they talk about DOES NOT EVEN exist in the Bible.
Key differences, NOT IN THE BIBLE:
1.Jesus Christ is our elder brother, the first spirit born to God the Father and Mother in Heaven. His physical body was conceived physically by the Father and his earthly mother, Mary, just as ours was by our parents. This was part of Jesus Christ\'s progression to become a God. Mormon doctrine also teaches that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are spirit brothers, both were born of God the Father and Mother in Heaven and raised to maturity in a pre-mortal pre-existence
2. Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of mankind in the Garden of Gethsemane, not on the cross alone
3. Becoming a Christian does not mean belonging to a church, doing good things, or simply believing in God. Being a Christian means that you have trusted in the true God for salvation, in the True Jesus -- not the brother of the devil.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
I\'m just saying the only ones who think Mormons are Christian, are Mormons.
I\'ve heard from Methodist, Baptist, Catholic, and Apostilic preachers who all DO NOT RECOGNIZE MORMONISM as a Christian faith.
Why do those people have to recognize them as christians for their beliefs to be valid? Don\'t you realize how dumb that sounds?
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Originally posted by Cyrus
That it simple not who pray too or what faith you are being christian is not a faith its simply the fact that you belive Christ excisted and that you follow his belives that said........
We understand that Meat Boy, my argument is that they are hardly talking about the same Jesus.
Let\'s talk about how vegetarians are stupid again.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Why do those people have to recognize them as christians for their beliefs to be valid? Don\'t you realize how dumb that sounds?
I was only pointing out how other denominations don\'t believe them to be Christian, not that they were validating the fact that they aren\'t.
But this will just unfold out to a 20 page religious debate so I\'m stopping here. If you want to say they\'re Christian go ahead.
I like my mormons medium rare by the way.
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You guys know I grew up Mormon right.... Im not now but I know all about it and I was there when so called christians stood outside our church and yelled how Mormonism was a cult not a faith and the whole time I wonder why you so called christians didnt read the same bible as me you know the one that say though shall not JUDGE..
Faith the faith you have that covers your eyes from the fact that others have faith of there own and should be respected as much as you feal your faith should be repected (hmmm seams I herad that one before tooo Do unto other as the would do unto you).
Mormons belive in Christ they belive he came and rose for our sins and they belive in the trinity. The only difference is the belive that there was also another apostle that came later on by the name of Joseph Smith and he had teaching but only after the fact of the bible not by any means replacing it.
And now I have no faith so Im not getting into this to PUSH my belives onto you people I hate that more than anything. But the ignorance of some people really piss me off
SO NOW IM BEGGIN SOME MOD PLEASE CLOSE MY THREAD OR MOVE IT cause now it has become a beast that doesnt belong in "off-topic"
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Oh I forgot that the Bible is the be all end all.
Maybe....and I know this is an off the wall idea; but maybe they consider them the same person? I know I know, its crazy. Bare with me though. Father = god? Check. Mother = Mortal Mary? Check. Died on cross for sins? Check.
Sounds like the same thing to me.
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My wife dosen\'t eat meat, but she cooks it for me all the time.
BAM
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aww jbean Im sooooo sorry you need me to call her or something I mean its a damn shame she doesnt eat your meat.
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she dosen\'t nearly as often as she used to.... nothing better than driving around getting your....
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Originally posted by Cyrus
You guys know I grew up Mormon right.... Im not now but I know all about it and I was there when so called christians stood outside our church and yelled how Mormonism was a cult not a faith and the whole time I wonder why you so called christians didnt read the same bible as me you know the one that say though shall not JUDGE..
Faith the faith you have that covers your eyes from the fact that others have faith of there own and should be respected as much as you feal your faith should be repected (hmmm seams I herad that one before tooo Do unto other as the would do unto you).
Mormons belive in Christ they belive he came and rose for our sins and they belive in the trinity. The only difference is the belive that there was also another apostle that came later on by the name of Joseph Smith and he had teaching but only after the fact of the bible not by any means replacing it.
And now I have no faith so Im not getting into this to PUSH my belives onto you people I hate that more than anything. But the ignorance of some people really piss me off
SO NOW IM BEGGIN SOME MOD PLEASE CLOSE MY THREAD OR MOVE IT cause now it has become a beast that doesnt belong in "off-topic"
I wouldnt say its an occult.Its a heresy.Occult and heresy arent exactly the same thing.But even if Orthodox is supposed to be theright Christianism if its interpreted wrongly in the minds of Orthodox, believe becuase of fear, or act as if this is the modern age of an Orthodox Holy Testament, and instead of trying to orient and help people see the truth act the way you described then they arent pure Christians either.They are even worse than any heretic because something pure seems to be corrupted.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I wouldnt say its an occult.Its a heresy.Occult and heresy arent exactly the same thing.But even if Orthodox is supposed to be theright Christianism if its interpreted wrongly in the minds of Orthodox, believe becuase of fear, or act as if this is the modern age of an Orthodox Holy Testament, and instead of trying to orient and help people see the truth act the way you described then they arent pure Christians either.They are even worse than any heretic because something pure seems to be corrupted.
First, I\'d like to say that I didn\'t understand any of that. No offense intended, but your point was a bit cloudy.
Second, "Cult" and "Occult" are two different words with different meanings. A cult is a certain variety of behavior conditioning religious organization, and "occult" is an adjective usually used to describe activities thought of as paranormal or magical.
Third, I don\'t think you\'re using the word "orthodox" correctly. Orthodox is an adjective that can be applied to many different organizations and belief systems. For example, you could say "Orthodox Catholicism" or "Orthodox Judaism" or "Militant Orthodox Snake Worshipping." It simply identifies a particularly extreme, fundamentalist variety of an existing belief system. If you use it by itself, I have no way of knowing what form of religion you\'re referring to.
Sorry to pick nits, but I thought this might help.
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wow ok you guys are off on the orthodox thing. All orthodox means is that whatever the adjective describes adhears to thier traditional belief. In no way does orthodox means a extreme, fundamentalist group. If anything the orthodox groups are your conventional run of the mill groups.
.....sorry to be picky.
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I wasn\'t trying to give it a negative connotation. I\'m just saying that an orthodox variation of a particular belief is generally the hardcore, fundamental variation, and they are usually the minority among that belief. They are NOT usually the "conventional run of the mill groups." The majority is usually a mild, middle-of-the-road variation that is tolerant of change and compromise. Not so with an orthodox minority.
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Don\'t make me dictionary.com your ass.....
Well I\'ve never heard the term used to describe the radical groups but hey that doesn\'t mean it can\'t be used that way, but for the most part orthodox is the majority. They adhere to the common belief. Hence the reason they are orthodox. Orthodox can never be the minority if you take the definition literaly. Eh....I\'m rambling