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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: fastson on January 27, 2004, 06:10:56 AM
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From the Pirate-bureau
Xbox tops the list over consoles when it comes to unlawful copying of games. It has never been easier to copy games to DVD-based consoles than it is to copy games to the Xbox.
- The software sales are going down but the accessories sales are going up. We are selling as many Xbox games as we are selling GameCube games, and the GameCube does not have as many installed consoles as the Xbox does. I think that the unlawful copying of games is costing Microsoft 50-100 Million kronor (6.8-13.7 million US Dollars), says Lars Wingefors, founder of game wholesaler SDD.
Source: Dagens Industri
So MS is losing about 7-14 million dollars just on our small market? I wonder how it looks in the rest of Europe. :)
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I would think it is the lack of quality titles on xbox hurting software sales not pirating.
The average consumer that makes up the majority of console buyers doesn\'t even know about pirating.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I would think it is the lack of quality titles on xbox hurting software sales not pirating.
The average consumer that makes up the majority of console buyers doesn\'t even know about pirating.
Well they do here... Everyone including their mother is pirating games these days.
I know a guy who *whisper* installs m0d-chips *makes sure MM is not around* :sconf: and he has his hands full. It is EXTREMELY easy to copy Xbox games (according to him) onto the hard disk.
I wonder if this was a tactic MS choose deliberately, because easy-to-m0d consoles are pretty popular. I wonder how the developers feel though.
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Originally posted by fastson
Well they do here... Everyone including their mother is pirating games these days.
I know a guy who *whisper* installs m0d-chips *makes sure MM is not around* :sconf: and he has his hands full. It is EXTREMELY easy to copy Xbox games (according to him) onto the hard disk.
I know a guy who was doing 40 a day in the run up to christmas! :eek:
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. I think that the unlawful copying of games is costing Microsoft 50-100 Million kronor (6.8-13.7 million US Dollars)
Arrrrrrr! :laughing:
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rising?
6 months after xbox was released, it was cracked
i know people with 300GB hard drives in thiers
they borrow or rent a game, copy to HD, and viola!
if only it would cause m$ to go out of business......
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Everyone I know that owns an XBOX has had it modded,They even download programs for it.Like changing the menu, create their menus, add videos and sounds, install emulators and roms(even N64 roms.My friend had Mario 64 and Turok on it), install games on it and a tons of other things.
No other console has suffered as much modifications as XBOX
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well, the dreamcast was certainly the easiest
didnt need any modifications
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Mods for what?
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exactly
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...still...lost...
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Congradulation\'s. You\'ve discovered an article that says its easy to pirate on the Xbox and it\'s causing MS and the industry to lose money. Wow, I guess this is news or something?
While we are on this, I hope you all realize PS2 is alsoe asily pirated. The only one I can think of where pirating is not rampant is the NGC.
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What???
You mean he DIDN\'T post it out of concern for the effect it will have on MS?
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you could play copied games on the dreamcast with no mod chip, no bootdisk, nothing
oh, and thanks to the network adaptor and PSO, NGC pirating is rampant
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Oh, I see...
Well, I\'m proud to say all my games are originals...
:fro:
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Congradulation\'s. You\'ve discovered an article that says its easy to pirate on the Xbox and it\'s causing MS and the industry to lose money. Wow, I guess this is news or something?
While we are on this, I hope you all realize PS2 is alsoe asily pirated. The only one I can think of where pirating is not rampant is the NGC.
Yeah but is way more simple on xbox. Ps2 takes too much effort and is not worth it. IMO
not that i do it
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Good thing that NGC is not getting nailed with Piracy as it would really screw things up for them. I suppose if you look through the years 8bit, 16bit, 64bit and now 128bit, they have always found ways of getting rid of piracy. (Not that is is totally out the way, but if compared to Xbox and PS2 there is a huge gap)
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Originally posted by mm
oh, and thanks to the network adaptor and PSO, NGC pirating is rampant
Yes because one game has been hacked to beyond it means pirating on the Cube is rampant....
****ING BRILLIANT.
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Apparently you can download the ISO\'s for GCN titles..
.. but playing them is just a fantasy so far AFAIK.
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Originally posted by mm
you could play copied games on the dreamcast with no mod chip, no bootdisk, nothing
oh, and thanks to the network adaptor and PSO, NGC pirating is rampant
i dont get it.My friend used a bootdisk he downloaded from the internet to be able to play pirated disks
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cool, wish i had speakers at work
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i dont get it.My friend used a bootdisk he downloaded from the internet to be able to play pirated disks
he didnt need the bootdisk
Yes because one game has been hacked to beyond it means pirating on the Cube is rampant....
PSO was only the 1st game that allowed the hack to work
there\'s a whole world outside that window bro.
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Yea, I always bought the pirated NFL2k1 for Dreamcast so I can have another free 50 hours of SegaNet. I don\'t like pirating but $2 for another 50 hours was just too tempting.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Congradulation\'s. You\'ve discovered an article that says its easy to pirate on the Xbox and it\'s causing MS and the industry to lose money. Wow, I guess this is news or something?
While we are on this, I hope you all realize PS2 is alsoe asily pirated. The only one I can think of where pirating is not rampant is the NGC.
Not exactly news to me. This is the first time it has hit the news (mainstream news media, aka. Dagens Industri) though, that is why I posted it.
And yep, I know a lot of PS2 owners have their PS2s moded, but most people do it so they are able to import games. And still, the number of PS2\'s moded (at least here) are no where near the number of Xboxes moded.
Its hurting the Xbox a lot more than the PS2.
Marknadsandelar konsol:
Sony (PlayStation 2+PSone) 44,8%
Microsoft (Xbox) 25,9%
Nintendo (Game Boy Advance+Game Boy Advance SP+GameCube) 29,2%
Marknadsandelar konsol, stationära:
PlayStation 2 - 54,5%
Xbox - 31,9%
GameCube - 13,6%
There is also a list of the 20 most selling games of 2003, no Xbox game makes the list.. but 2 GC titles makes it, eventhough the Xbox has a larger percent of the market then the GC? Hmm?
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fastson, I know thinking will hurt your brain, so it would be a good idea to stop.
And still, the number of PS2\'s moded (at least here) are no where near the number of Xboxes moded.
That\'s the funniest thing I\'ve heard all week.
PSO was only the 1st game that allowed the hack to work
there\'s a whole world outside that window bro.
What other games have been pirated then.
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Originally posted by G-Unit
fastson, I know thinking will hurt your brain, so it would be a good idea to stop.
That\'s the funniest thing I\'ve heard all week.
Huh? I have the influenza so maybe Im slow.. But? Its true, there are more moded Xboxes here than there are PS2.
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This thread is just ignorant. Come on people. Pirating has came with the industry since day one. How is this news? It\'s common knowledge, nothing else. I gurantee if the article would of been about the rampant pirating of the PS2, you would of not posted this. Instead, it\'s about a console you dislike, so you and other people try to pass this off as breaking news, when infact it\'s just another article about pirating, something that is all to common.
As for the NGC pirating, I\'m sure it exists, but it is nowhere as large as the other two consoles due to the mini-disc format. Nintendo has always been one to stay away from the easily pirated formats.
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I have seen GC games available for download and there has just been a GC emulator released. It only plays a few games at the moment though and it\'s very slow. I haven\'t tried it myself though.
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What L-I-C said..
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I thought it was interesting, thats why I posted it.
There has been some discussions about how big the pirating on the Xbox really is, and this article confirmed that its pretty big.
Kurt Angle: I heard about those emus.. One GC game (Bust a Move 3000) can be played at full speed. The rest run at about 1-2 fps. :eek:
Xbox Emulators have gone the furthest, some games can run at ~10fps.
PS2 emulators has just got the browser going, some games work up till the title screen.
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Originally posted by mm
he didnt need the bootdisk.
But he tried to play pirated games without the boot disk and they didnt play.
Probably some copies had the boot disks data copied with them as well thats why the playied?I assume.
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Originally posted by G-Unit
fastson, I know thinking will hurt your brain, so it would be a good idea to stop.
That\'s the funniest thing I\'ve heard all week.
Ahm Fastson is right.Most people arent risking to mod their PS2s since problems with the console are more common.
XBOX doesnt present problems as often as PS2.Not to mention you pay for less and you get more from modding an XBOX(unlike modding a PS2).
Also you cant imagine how many people bought an XBOX instead of PS2 here in Cyprus because it\'s easier to mod and copy games on its hard drive.
Picture the difference "I buy a PS2 for its games"/"I buy an XBOX for cheaper copy games"
I believe thats also what happens in other countires as well.Not everyone thinks paying $40 for a console game is a serious act.Especially parents that buy a console for his 10 year old son.
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Risking your PS2? I\'ve seen it been done multiple times without any problems...
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Originally posted by fastson
I thought it was interesting, thats why I posted it.
There has been some discussions about how big the pirating on the Xbox really is, and this article confirmed that its pretty big.
Kurt Angle: I heard about those emus.. One GC game (Bust a Move 3000) can be played at full speed. The rest run at about 1-2 fps. :eek:
Xbox Emulators have gone the furthest, some games can run at ~10fps.
PS2 emulators has just got the browser going, some games work up till the title screen.
Yeah, great post there. A new\'s article confirmed that it was "big". Give me a break. It\'s just another slow new\'s day so some dumb \'net journalist (two words that should never go in the same sentence) rehashed old ground with a story about pirating and how it is hurting the industry or a certain given company.
And of course the emulators run better for the Xbox - it\'s a friggin\' PC in a black box for cryin\' out loud. A lot like the DC was, with Windows CE and the easy development enviroment.
Think people, think. It only hurt\'s the first time.
;)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Yeah, great post there. A new\'s article confirmed that it was "big". Give me a break. It\'s just another slow new\'s day so some dumb \'net journalist (two words that should never go in the same sentence) rehashed old ground with a story about pirating and how it is hurting the industry or a certain given company.
Net journo? Dagens Industri is a daily business newspaper, and a creditable one at that.
http://www.di.se/
This is the first solid proof of how widespread Xbox pirating is in the Nordic countries (soon it might even surpass the PSX as the modscene king! Infact, it might already have.).
Its just a fricking news article.
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Originally posted by G-Unit
Risking your PS2? I\'ve seen it been done multiple times without any problems...
Yes there are certain risks with moding a PS2.
I talked to a friend who had his PS2 moded, and the guy who installed the mod warned my friend of the risks.. for example, older PS2s with the dodgy DVD/CD drive will ware out faster when reading burned games of poor quality.
IIRC this was a problem with the Dreamcast too?
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I\'m sure it exists, but it is nowhere as large as the other two consoles due to the mini-disc format
you...really have no clue
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Originally posted by mm
you...really have no clue
Really?
Point me in the general direction where the mini-disc format has been raped as much as the other two consoles. It\'s not nearly as easy. Is it perfect? No. Is it as rampant as the other two consoles? No.
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i suggest you go research how the GC is pirated
how can you compare it against consoles that have sold exponentially more?
it\'s like saying game gear piracy is relatively low compared to gameboy piracy
remember sega saying that gdroms were the end of piracy?
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well I know from experience that modding the xbox is possibly the easiest thing to do....ever! But I never pirated a game, just modded the Xbox...so there
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Originally posted by tempname
Risking your PS2? I\'ve seen it been done multiple times without any problems...
I ve seen it NOT been done multible times with MANY problems.
People think it twice
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Originally posted by mm
you...really have no clue
No, he\'s right. Believe me, the GC is a complete bitch to mod and get games for that are pirated. The discs are more expensive, the mods are expensive, you might as well just buy the original game.
XBox can be modded so that you can play games on the HD for far less than $20. From then on, you don\'t even need to buy copied games, you just burn them to your HD.
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im speechless at the lack of knowledge
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Well being a college punk I can tell you one thing. A guy in my dorm has a gamecube and he has the region free chip on it. But moding that thing is a bitch he says.
BIOS chip in the Gamecube console is built directly into the Gamecube\'s CPU.
And everyone in the dorm who has an xbox has a moded xbox.
And I have already said I have one. And the only reason I have one is because i felt xbox was not worth the money and I am trying to recoop my loses.
But that gamecube seems to be a bitch and not worth the trouble of moding. And as for ps2 there a few moded ps2\'s around here and I have heard they can cause problems with ps2. I am sure it\'s not much. But I value my ps2 way too much too crack it open and my ps2 is 3 years old.
And sony tends to make very cheap console. I had 3 ps1\'s and I have the luxury of not having my ps2 completely breakdown but just give me a few disk errors time to time. And the browser screw up.
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^^
sinner
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And everyone in the dorm who has an xbox has a moded xbox.
And I have already said I have one. And the only reason I have one is because i felt xbox was not worth the money and I am trying to recoop my loses.
You\'re treading on very thin ground with that statement. Lettin\' it pass, this time, but don\'t endorse piracy again, please.
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Originally posted by mm
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im speechless at the lack of knowledge
You mean there is an eaiser way most people doesnt now?
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Surprised this thread isnt closed yet:p
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Originally posted by mm
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im speechless at the lack of knowledge
For every 1 copied GC game out there, I bet there are 25 for the XBox.
XBox games can be burned onto CD-RW or DVD...widely avaliable. It also has an internal HD which helps.
You say you\'re speechless at the \'lack of knowledge\' but you haven\'t shined too much light on the subject yourself?
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dun have to "shine much light" on anything
there\'s a wealth of information out there on the internet
again, xbox piracy was around 2 years before GC piracy, plus there\'s more xbox\'s out there then GC\'s
its rampant on any system
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Even if GC had more sales than XBOX dont expect that you would have seen more pirated games on GC.
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Originally posted by mm
dun have to "shine much light" on anything
there\'s a wealth of information out there on the internet
again, xbox piracy was around 2 years before GC piracy, plus there\'s more xbox\'s out there then GC\'s
its rampant on any system
The bottom line though is that GC is much harder to pirate games for than the XBox.
And why was it around 2 years before?...Because it\'s so easy?