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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: SirMystiq on February 04, 2004, 10:38:49 PM
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I\'m a Democrat b/c I believe in human rights and liberties. Welfare, medicaid and etc...do work. And among other things.
What side are you on? and why?
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I fall to the right with libertarian leanings. I believe less government is best.
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Welfare works??? Maybe for the lazy. Medicaid is not just a Democrat issue as well. Do you even know what Medicaid is Mystiq? I am a Republican for those that couldn\'t have guessed ;)
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I\'m a Republican.
Me = hates taxes that go to lazy people
Originally posted by SirMystiq
I\'m a Democrat b/c I believe in human rights and liberties. Welfare, medicaid and etc...do work. And among other things.
What side are you on? and why?
Human Rights and Liberties? Sorry, but that\'s not exclusive to just Democrats.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
I\'m a Republican.
Human Rights and Liberties? Sorry, but that\'s not exclusive to just Democrats.
Hey, you don\'t suck that much after all.
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Its like saying I like PS2 cause its Japanese...
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If i was American, then i would be either Democrats or Green.
Also known as the Light Side.
The Republican always seams to be on the Dark Side.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
I\'m a Republican.
Me = hates taxes that go to lazy people
Human Rights and Liberties? Sorry, but that\'s not exclusive to just Democrats.
Yeah, that\'s why Bush passed the "Patriot Act" and why the EPA budget got cut almost in half. That\'s why Republicans(majority) support anti-abortion groups. I know what Medicaid is, If it hadn\'t been for it I would of died from Pnemonia(sp). It\'s sad when you associate Welfare with "lazy people" I bet not one of you have ever met a person that doesn\'t live in a house, that depends of it to live, there are people to take advantage of it, but the majority doesn\'t and I\'m and know living proof of it. But then again Republicans do love making the rich richer.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Yeah, that\'s why Bush passed the "Patriot Act" and why the EPA budget got cut almost in half. That\'s why Republicans(majority) support anti-abortion groups. I know what Medicaid is, If it hadn\'t been for it I would of died from Pnemonia(sp). It\'s sad when you associate Welfare with "lazy people" I bet not one of you have ever met a person that doesn\'t live in a house, that depends of it to live, there are people to take advantage of it, but the majority doesn\'t and I\'m and know living proof of it. But then again Republicans do love making the rich richer.
The EPA and Human Rights and Liberties????? I don\'t see a connection there. Welfare is for the lazy... and if your parents (who are not citizens here) are collecting it that is even more of an atrocity.
I would also bet most of the Republicans on here are far from rich as you like to believe we all are. What this boils down to is I don\'t want my tax dollars to go to anything that supports the lazy, the illegal immigrants, bilingual materials, etc...
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That\'s a true American speaking right there.
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Just call me the Butcher ;) I don\'t expect you to get that one Mystiq. ;)
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I\'m pretty much a moderate but hen I\'m 18 and registering to vote, I will register as a Republican. However I do jump the fence on certain issues. I\'m against capital punishment and I\'m for welfare.
I\'ve had friends with parents that just bust their butts off everyday, and still collected welfare checks... And the welfare was like 10 bucks, it was so ridiculously little. I find it sad that everyone complains about having money go to fellow Americans who need it. Granted there is the lazy bunch that just sit around and collect it, however what matters is helping those who need all the help they can get.
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democrats are evil
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
The EPA and Human Rights and Liberties????? I don\'t see a connection there. Welfare is for the lazy... and if your parents (who are not citizens here) are collecting it that is even more of an atrocity.
I would also bet most of the Republicans on here are far from rich as you like to believe we all are. What this boils down to is I don\'t want my tax dollars to go to anything that supports the lazy, the illegal immigrants, bilingual materials, etc...
I was at school so I dindn\'t feel like making a connection. Welfare is for the needy, if you think that it\'s only for the lazy, then you really always lived on the sunny side of this country. I don\'t think you need to be a Citizen to get welfare or Medicaid...only a paycheck. The 350 dollars my dad made every month payed for the rent. Thank you Democrats for Welfare. And if you want to call my dad, who busted his ass in the kitched cooking your god damn food, then I feel really sorry for you.
Stop living in the 1980\'s.
"We hold this truths to be self-evident, that ALL MEN are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalianable rights, among these are LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, to secure these rights, governments are instituted..."
The Declaration of Independence...Republicans should read that once in a while.
Republicans have longed changed since TRUE Republicans. Old Republicans would have NOT tolerated the spending GWB has done. And I\'m sorry, but most immigrants DO pay taxes.
It\'s funny, most Republicans that I know are white. They own businessess, and get 3k dollar income tax return. So what is the only thing they worry about the President being "Christian, Pro-Life..." etc..
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For the record, welfare is not just for lazy people. Sometimes, people do actually need it and that\'s what it is there for. Yes, a lot of people abuse it, but sometimes, something happens and you have to use it for alittle while . I have known people who have been on it for a short term and then got off of it, once they got a job. So, please, do not say it\'s used just by the lazy. That\'s as close-minded and arrogant as you can get .
However, I will say that if you not a legal citzen over here, you have NO RIGHT to American things such as Welfare.,
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I actually only registered to vote last week: Independent. I have moderately strong conservative leanings, though.
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<--registered independant
i wish there was an "i dont give a damn" party
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maybe you could start one ;)
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Originally posted by mm
<--registered independant
i wish there was an "i dont give a damn" party
There is an "i don\'t give a damn" party. It\'s the biggest party out there . . . they\'re known as the non-voter. :)
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I was at school so I dindn\'t feel like making a connection. Welfare is for the needy, if you think that it\'s only for the lazy, then you really always lived on the sunny side of this country. I don\'t think you need to be a Citizen to get welfare or Medicaid...only a paycheck. The 350 dollars my dad made every month payed for the rent. Thank you Democrats for Welfare. And if you want to call my dad, who busted his ass in the kitched cooking your god damn food, then I feel really sorry for you.
Stop living in the 1980\'s.
"We hold this truths to be self-evident, that ALL MEN are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalianable rights, among these are LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, to secure these rights, governments are instituted..."
The Declaration of Independence...Republicans should read that once in a while.
Republicans have longed changed since TRUE Republicans. Old Republicans would have NOT tolerated the spending GWB has done. And I\'m sorry, but most immigrants DO pay taxes.
It\'s funny, most Republicans that I know are white. They own businessess, and get 3k dollar income tax return. So what is the only thing they worry about the President being "Christian, Pro-Life..." etc..
1. I agree with what LIC said... if you aren\'t a citizen you shouldn\'t be entitled to get a cent from the US Government.
2. Do you even remember the 80\'s?
3. The Declaration of Independence was just that - a declaration for independence from Britian - IT DOESN\'T GIVE YOU ANY RIGHTS. That is the Constitution at least get your facts straight- and it should only be for US Citizens.
4. What do you know about "true Republicans"? Do you have any grasp as to what this country went through 3 years ago? Do you not understand that Democrats want those successful to pay for your needy and lazy asses? Charity starts at home my friend. Besides I would much rather give money to the Humane Society than to some illegal immigrants who think they can come here and sponge off of our society.
Your family should have stayed in Mexico since you seem to whine about everything in this country. By the way you go on about Bush and the government I TRULY believe that your family came here LOOKING FOR FREE HANDOUTS. This is what seperates the immigrants of this era from the ones that came here in the 19th and early 20th century. Those immigrants actually worked to make their lives better and didn\'t expect freebies that they were not entitled to.
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Too many people only like this country for what it can do for them...
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Originally posted by Ashford
Too many people only like this country for what it can do for them...
Exactly. I will go for Welfare for a 6 to 12 month period of time - after that, no more. I am a moderate as well. I\'m not Pro-Choice but I\'m not Pro-Life either. I am against Partial Birth Abortion. That\'s just sick.
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I am an independant.
Might as well be the Republicrats for all I care. They may go about things differently but the end result is always the same. Its like choosing between a boot and a cleat to get your nuts stomped.
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Democrats = Evil
Republicans = Evil
They all passed the patriot act, voted for war, the democrats -made- the RAVE act....
Although, not all of the people in both parties are evil, just the ones who get elected.....
Seriously, the laws being passed our countrie since 9/11 are insane....
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I voted democratics because my mom is one.
And i remember taking a survey in Government class two years ago, and the results of the survey was "I am a Moderate!"
I am pretty happy that i am. But it would be cool to be independant (i am talking about me being independant) not politic. But what the heck am i mumbling about?
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Could someone explain to me the difference between a Democrat and Republican. I\'m from Canada therefore I don\'t get TV stations or any modern devices such as houses, books, etc.
If you take out the L in Republican...you get Repubican. Just a thought.
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basically
dems--supposedly fight for minorities and middle class
repubs-- fight for the rich..
actually both sides are corrupted & you just have to pick the person that YOU feel is best for the job whether he\'s a dem or a republican.
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Originally posted by clips
basically
dems--supposedly fight for minorities and middle class
repubs-- fight for the rich..
actually both sides are corrupted & you just have to pick the person that YOU feel is best for the job whether he\'s a dem or a republican.
Can you say "Biased"?
Republicans don\'t like to tax as much as the semi-Socialist Democrats. Dems like to say "Oh, you\'re not taxing enough! The rich get richer!"
And Dems love to take that whole phrase hook, line and sinker. Dems also believe that THEY create jobs. Puhleez.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Can you say "Biased"?
Republicans don\'t like to tax as much as the semi-Socialist Democrats. Dems like to say "Oh, you\'re not taxing enough! The rich get richer!"
And Dems love to take that whole phrase hook, line and sinker. Dems also believe that THEY create jobs. Puhleez.
in general terms if you ask anybody what dems & repubs stand for they will repeat what i stated. But obviously you didn\'t read the rest of my post
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Originally posted by clips
in general terms if you ask anybody what dems & repubs stand for they will repeat what i stated. But obviously you didn\'t read the rest of my post
I did read it. But I chose not to ignore your "fight for the rich" statement. Your intent was to make Republicans look less appealing.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
I did read it. But I chose not to ignore your "fight for the rich" statement. Your intent was to make Republicans look less appealing.
but that is what you will hear in general..i\'m not defending dems or repubs..i know better to know that both sides are corrupt..while you obviously must be a republican to come out and try to defend them..jumpy asked a question and i answered it in general terms.
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Originally posted by clips
but that is what you will hear in general..i\'m not defending dems or repubs..i know better to know that both sides are corrupt..while you obviously must be a republican to come out and try to defend them..jumpy asked a question and i answered it in general terms.
My point escapes you. Your generalizations are incorrect. From a Democrat\'s point of view, that is your generalization. From a less biased point of view, Republicans prefer to "Cut Taxes". Not "Defend The Rich".
If you\'re going to generalize, get it right, at least.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
1. I agree with what LIC said... if you aren\'t a citizen you shouldn\'t be entitled to get a cent from the US Government.
2. Do you even remember the 80\'s?
3. The Declaration of Independence was just that - a declaration for independence from Britian - IT DOESN\'T GIVE YOU ANY RIGHTS. That is the Constitution at least get your facts straight- and it should only be for US Citizens.
4. What do you know about "true Republicans"? Do you have any grasp as to what this country went through 3 years ago? Do you not understand that Democrats want those successful to pay for your needy and lazy asses? Charity starts at home my friend. Besides I would much rather give money to the Humane Society than to some illegal immigrants who think they can come here and sponge off of our society.
Your family should have stayed in Mexico since you seem to whine about everything in this country. By the way you go on about Bush and the government I TRULY believe that your family came here LOOKING FOR FREE HANDOUTS. This is what seperates the immigrants of this era from the ones that came here in the 19th and early 20th century. Those immigrants actually worked to make their lives better and didn\'t expect freebies that they were not entitled to.
1.) Too bad that\'s not the way things work. People can get welfare with just proof of how much they make.
2.) Not really.
3.) The Declaration of Independence stated some of the basic believes of the people that were becoming independent. Second paragraph..."We hold this..." and so on.
4.) I know that Republicans WERE conservative. I know that Lincoln would of killed GWB for overspending. That\'s not being very conservative. I know that without 9/11, Afghanistan would of still been governed by Al-quaida and Iraq would still be ruled by Hussain. Successful b/c you had the money to do it. Not all people can afford a college education, some have to drop out of high school to help out their families. But in a Republican view point, too bad right? Yeah, but then the government should spend billions of dollars on helping people that they chose to bomb. And they don\'t even live here. Sponge of your society? From what I know, immigrants have helped this country prosper to what it is today.
Actually, I\'m a U.S. Citizen. So I\'m entitled to whatever the Government has to offer. My family only used Medicaid when we first lived here, b/c my dad wasn\'t "succesful" like you where and had to work harder than you probably ever had. Illegal and legal immigrants work their asses off. I don\'t know the kind of immigrants you meet, but they aren\'t the rights ones. I go on about Bush and the Government b/c I don\'t like it. What\'s wrong with that?
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Communism
Im serious.
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I think I am beginning to understand why everybody hates (e). Took me long enough, should have figure out sooner. But without him, it would be boring to not have someone to argue with.
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Actually, I\'m a U.S. Citizen. So I\'m entitled to whatever the Government has to offer. My family only used Medicaid when we first lived here, b/c my dad wasn\'t "succesful" like you where and had to work harder than you probably ever had. Illegal and legal immigrants work their asses off.
Wrong.
If you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, then you need to be shipped off, ASAP. Not put in our JAIL - because that\'s wasting tax money. You\'re ENTITLED TO NOTHIHG America offers.
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Errr...I think you need to re-read his post, Clip...
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Wrong.
If you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, then you need to be shipped off, ASAP. Not put in our JAIL - because that\'s wasting tax money. You\'re ENTITLED TO NOTHIHG America offers.
Pshh...The Native Americans thought the first Immigrants were illeagl too. Then what happened? They took over...
http://www.liberaltopia.org/archives/photos/harville.html
Yeah, even though they still have to pay taxes right? Apply all the pressure of the law but still have them pay taxes.
People like you make America the best place for Immigrants to live...
Like I said, I\'m a U.S. Citizen.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
1.) Too bad that\'s not the way things work. People can get welfare with just proof of how much they make.
2.) Not really.
3.) The Declaration of Independence stated some of the basic believes of the people that were becoming independent. Second paragraph..."We hold this..." and so on.
4.) I know that Republicans WERE conservative. I know that Lincoln would of killed GWB for overspending. That\'s not being very conservative. I know that without 9/11, Afghanistan would of still been governed by Al-quaida and Iraq would still be ruled by Hussain. Successful b/c you had the money to do it. Not all people can afford a college education, some have to drop out of high school to help out their families. But in a Republican view point, too bad right? Yeah, but then the government should spend billions of dollars on helping people that they chose to bomb. And they don\'t even live here. Sponge of your society? From what I know, immigrants have helped this country prosper to what it is today.
Actually, I\'m a U.S. Citizen. So I\'m entitled to whatever the Government has to offer. My family only used Medicaid when we first lived here, b/c my dad wasn\'t "succesful" like you where and had to work harder than you probably ever had. Illegal and legal immigrants work their asses off. I don\'t know the kind of immigrants you meet, but they aren\'t the rights ones. I go on about Bush and the Government b/c I don\'t like it. What\'s wrong with that?
1. That will change.
2. Don\'t quote the 80\'s in that context if you don\'t even remember them.
3. What do you not understand Mystiq... No habla English? The Declaration of Independence IS NOT the Constitution. There are no laws in the DoI.
4. I fast forwarded past your mindless rant about Iraq and Bin Laden... Now as for your claim about being rich to go to college... yeah I am rich :rolleyes: that is why I have $30,000 in Federal Student Loans I am repaying :rolleyes: Unlike you, I don\'t get grants (a grant is money you don\'t have to pay back) for being a minority. I had to borrow money to get my education - I would bet there are not many people on this board who have gone to college and paid for it all with cash.
You think everyone besides you and your mexican pals have it so easy here in the US. Think again. The US is no longer a level playing field. If you are white you are at a disadvantage - whether it is paying for college, starting a business or getting a home loan. Those are just a few examples. Don\'t believe me - ask any banker.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I don\'t get grants (a grant is money you don\'t have to pay back) for being a minority. I had to borrow money to get my education
Hot damn! Where can I find one of those?
Most grants go to low income families, regardless of race.
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No they have them for minorities as well - regardless of income. I have yet to see a white folks grant though ;)
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There are grants of various types.
There are grants for people just for living in a particular area. Regardless of income, race or creed. My fiance\'s sister got one coz she was between 18 and 20 years old, had a 3.25+ average and living in the same community as the person who created the grant.
When I have enough money, I\'ll set up a grant for video gamers in my condo complex with no ambition except to graduate with a BS in Liberal Arts (aka "I Don\'t Know What Course To Take" Degree). :p
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
There are grants of various types.
There are grants for people just for living in a particular area. Regardless of income, race or creed. My fiance\'s sister got one coz she was between 18 and 20 years old, had a 3.25+ average and living in the same community as the person who created the grant.
She is a woman - they are considered minorities too :rolleyes:
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Wow, I agree with LiC on something. Yeah, illegal immigrants should take a hike.
GWB\'s proposal to welcome them was somewhat reasonable though, solely because of how many there are. We can\'t just get rid of them all, no matter how badly this country needs it. Why? Riots, etc.
Outside of that one thing, Bush made a big mistake. Darned illegals..
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Way the way I was told to look at it is the Republicans like to base off facts and give them, while the democrats will get people with little facts and twist the story to there advantage. For example the smoking, a democratic official said that like 50 percent of teens in america smoke cigarettes, well it was actually young adults, and to fit in that category you could be in the 13-25 year range. Catch my drift?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
1. That will change.
2. Don\'t quote the 80\'s in that context if you don\'t even remember them.
3. What do you not understand Mystiq... No habla English? The Declaration of Independence IS NOT the Constitution. There are no laws in the DoI.
4. I fast forwarded past your mindless rant about Iraq and Bin Laden... Now as for your claim about being rich to go to college... yeah I am rich :rolleyes: that is why I have $30,000 in Federal Student Loans I am repaying :rolleyes: Unlike you, I don\'t get grants (a grant is money you don\'t have to pay back) for being a minority. I had to borrow money to get my education - I would bet there are not many people on this board who have gone to college and paid for it all with cash.
You think everyone besides you and your mexican pals have it so easy here in the US. Think again. The US is no longer a level playing field. If you are white you are at a disadvantage - whether it is paying for college, starting a business or getting a home loan. Those are just a few examples. Don\'t believe me - ask any banker.
1.) You keep telling yourself that...
2.) I know that those years there was alot of tension between whites and any other race.
3.) I never said it was the law. The DOI was written with some of the prime beliefs of the people at the time.
4.) You\'re right. White people are the only ones in the US that have to pay for college and don\'t have the opportunity to get a grant. There are no scholarships out there for white people...Give me a break. Did you try to apply for any Scholarships? What were your ACT/SAT grades?(I\'m assuming that they were around back then) What rank where you in when you graduated high school?
These "grants" minorities earn are also earned. Private companies fund this grants and have the right to give it to whomever they so please. There are Government grants but most of them are open to everybody. You can\'t be succesful without trying. Minorities, immigrants, blacks they all work their asses of whether you fail to recognize it or not. The difference is that they can\'t afford to feed their families by earning 5.50 an hour and they can\'t afford to live nowhere else but the "projects" and live off welfare. Did you ever have to live through down right poverty?
America is unequal. It has always been and probably will always be. It will never be balanced b/c there will always be people who consider that their race is treated worst than the others. But by saying that my Mexicans "pals" have more opportunity...I think you\'re wrong. If you are implying that they are illegal then they can\'t take out a house loan, they can\'t start a business and they can\'t get good jobs. If you got to a construction site what do you see? Minorities. It\'s not a matter of getting a job or not for the white people, it\'s a matter of getting the job they want. "Immigrants do the work that Americans aren\'t willing to do" If the white people are so at a disadvantage, why don\'t they go make lines at a construction site, McDonalds, Taco Bell, Wal-mart...I know this for a fact. My aun\'ts husband owns a construction company in Denton and I\'ve seen the lines that form out when he is hiring...nothing but blacks, mexicans and even a few Asians. There were a few white people...and they spoke spanish.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
1.) You keep telling yourself that...
2.) I know that those years there was alot of tension between whites and any other race.
3.) I never said it was the law. The DOI was written with some of the prime beliefs of the people at the time.
4.) You\'re right. White people are the only ones in the US that have to pay for college and don\'t have the opportunity to get a grant. There are no scholarships out there for white people...Give me a break. Did you try to apply for any Scholarships? What were your ACT/SAT grades?(I\'m assuming that they were around back then) What rank where you in when you graduated high school?
These "grants" minorities earn are also earned. Private companies fund this grants and have the right to give it to whomever they so please. There are Government grants but most of them are open to everybody. You can\'t be succesful without trying. Minorities, immigrants, blacks they all work their asses of whether you fail to recognize it or not. The difference is that they can\'t afford to feed their families by earning 5.50 an hour and they can\'t afford to live nowhere else but the "projects" and live off welfare. Did you ever have to live through down right poverty?
America is unequal. It has always been and probably will always be. It will never be balanced b/c there will always be people who consider that their race is treated worst than the others. But by saying that my Mexicans "pals" have more opportunity...I think you\'re wrong. If you are implying that they are illegal then they can\'t take out a house loan, they can\'t start a business and they can\'t get good jobs. If you got to a construction site what do you see? Minorities. It\'s not a matter of getting a job or not for the white people, it\'s a matter of getting the job they want. "Immigrants do the work that Americans aren\'t willing to do" If the white people are so at a disadvantage, why don\'t they go make lines at a construction site, McDonalds, Taco Bell, Wal-mart...I know this for a fact. My aun\'ts husband owns a construction company in Denton and I\'ve seen the lines that form out when he is hiring...nothing but blacks, mexicans and even a few Asians. There were a few white people...and they spoke spanish.
damn..those are all good points..i just want to point something out and i\'m not sure if i\'m totally right on this but here it goes. It seems that if you are born in this country & try to get a loan it will be harder you to get it than somebody just coming into this country. i don\'t think race has anything to do with it..i\'m not sure tho. Even if you\'re a mexican born here i think it will be harder for that mexican born here to get that loan than it is for the mexican that wasn\'t born here.
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Originally posted by clips
damn..those are all good points..i just want to point something out and i\'m not sure if i\'m totally right on this but here it goes. It seems that if you are born in this country & try to get a loan it will be harder you to get it than somebody just coming into this country. i don\'t think race has anything to do with it..i\'m not sure tho. Even if you\'re a mexican born here i think it will be harder for that mexican born here to get that loan than it is for the mexican that wasn\'t born here.
From my understanding I believe that alot of grant\'s given out are only to Citizens. There are some exceptions though. I honestly believe that when it comes to those things they are all equal levels. The only reason why theres "mexican grants" or "black people grants" is b/c there are private companies/corporations or whatever that feel the need to help out their own "kind" you know.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
1.) You keep telling yourself that...
2.) I know that those years there was alot of tension between whites and any other race.
3.) I never said it was the law. The DOI was written with some of the prime beliefs of the people at the time.
4.) You\'re right. White people are the only ones in the US that have to pay for college and don\'t have the opportunity to get a grant. There are no scholarships out there for white people...Give me a break. Did you try to apply for any Scholarships? What were your ACT/SAT grades?(I\'m assuming that they were around back then) What rank where you in when you graduated high school?
These "grants" minorities earn are also earned. Private companies fund this grants and have the right to give it to whomever they so please. There are Government grants but most of them are open to everybody. You can\'t be succesful without trying. Minorities, immigrants, blacks they all work their asses of whether you fail to recognize it or not. The difference is that they can\'t afford to feed their families by earning 5.50 an hour and they can\'t afford to live nowhere else but the "projects" and live off welfare. Did you ever have to live through down right poverty?
America is unequal. It has always been and probably will always be. It will never be balanced b/c there will always be people who consider that their race is treated worst than the others. But by saying that my Mexicans "pals" have more opportunity...I think you\'re wrong. If you are implying that they are illegal then they can\'t take out a house loan, they can\'t start a business and they can\'t get good jobs. If you got to a construction site what do you see? Minorities. It\'s not a matter of getting a job or not for the white people, it\'s a matter of getting the job they want. "Immigrants do the work that Americans aren\'t willing to do" If the white people are so at a disadvantage, why don\'t they go make lines at a construction site, McDonalds, Taco Bell, Wal-mart...I know this for a fact. My aun\'ts husband owns a construction company in Denton and I\'ve seen the lines that form out when he is hiring...nothing but blacks, mexicans and even a few Asians. There were a few white people...and they spoke spanish.
1. :rolleyes:
2. There was no more tension in the 80\'s than there is now. Like I said don\'t talk about things unless you know for certain they are true. :rolleyes:
3. YOU DID IMPLY that the DOI was the same thing as the Bill of Rights. Now you are trying to backpedal. :laughing:
4. Really... there are grants specifically for White Anglo Saxons? Based soley on their race? I don\'t know what planet you live in. The grants minorities earn aren\'t earned... have you ever heard of quotas?? I believe some school in Michigan recently wanted to do away with the quota system and they were attacked by minority groups for trying to make the college admissions based on performance rather than race.
Also, don\'t lump blacks in with the Mexicans. The blacks in this country for the most part are citizens and are entitled to everything this country has to offer. The illegal immigrants are entitled to NOTHING. It is the illegals that hurt the other minorities in this country by taking jobs away from those minorites that are here legally.
Oh and whites do work at "Taco Bell, McDonalds, and do construction work" - come to Alabama some time and see for yourself.
On the issue of language, I am not going to let my son learn Spanish... I refuse to... it is not part of our heritage and I don\'t feel that he should be forced to learn a language to accomodate those too lazy to learn English. Some of you may say I am going to be hindering my son\'s opportunities... I don\'t believe so. If he is successful than anyone he deals with whether they are from another country or a different culture will most likely speak English as it has become the worlds universal language.
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The definition of Minority is changing to "Non-Asian Minority". The euphemism is not used but that\'s basically what it means. When universities site that they have met "quotas", minority leaders say "No, not Asians, we meant non-Asian minorities". Apparently, Asians exceed the average test scores among minorities and ironically, are now finding it hard to get accepted in top universities.
Why? Quotas. A few years ago, too many Asians and not enough non-Asians are being accepted so RECENTLY, the quotas were changed.
Dang it! I have a meeting to attend! AARGH!
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
No they have them for minorities as well - regardless of income. I have yet to see a white folks grant though ;)
I think you might be confusing grants and scholarships. Grants are given 99.99% of the time to low income students. I can\'t even think of any that AREN\'T need based. Scholarships are pretty arbitrary.
Even some of the bigger scholarships for blacks/latinos can and have been awarded to whites. Its just that a lot of white people don\'t know that. Some people have even tried to apply to the united negro college fund thinking that they could sue for discrimination and they got the scholarship.
Its all about perspective. There are scholarships that are offered to school minorities(whatever the minority is at a particular school) which were intended for blacks/latins/asians but went to whites and asians at historically black Colleges and Universitys.
Another thing you have to take into account is that blacks only make up 11% of all college students with latinos and asians making up even less at 9 and 6% respectively. So its more of an attempt to raise the admission levels of all minorities.
There are no "whites-only" scholarships and grants; but by the force of sheer numbers they end up that way.
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Nah I am not confusing scholarships with grants... scholarships are earned and those who win them should get them - I really don\'t have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with are the grants - who the hell wants to come out of school after getting their Bachelors and Masters degrees with $60,000 + of debt? Just because someone is poor they should go to school for free while someone from the middle class should be saddled in debt upon graduation?
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^^^The thing about that is there aren\'t that many grants that cover a full 4 years of college. Most of the larger grants just give a nice amount of money that lowers tuition. They still have to take out loans and things like that. They just end up in LESS debt when they get out of school.
I don\'t have a problem with grants that make college a little more affordable. I have a problem with colleges that make the tuition so high that grants are needed in the first place.
{EDIT} No point in making this thread TOO political.
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Well I can\'t relate what we are spending on Foreign Aid to College Tuition, but you are right that the average college tuition is out of perspective with what you get when you graduate. Lower tuitions are the responsibility of the individual institutions and not the government.
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^^^Yeah thats true. It is the responsibility of the schools; but they have a racket. They know that we HAVE to go so they will charge as much as they can get. Supply and Demand. Just like book publishers who put out a new edition of a $130 book every year so that students can\'t resell their old versions.
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You hit the nail on the head about the book prices Samurai. That is one of the rackets in the University system. They sell you a new one for $130.00 buy it back from you for $20 and resell it used for $115.00 - talk about a rip off.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
1. :rolleyes:
2. There was no more tension in the 80\'s than there is now. Like I said don\'t talk about things unless you know for certain they are true. :rolleyes:
3. YOU DID IMPLY that the DOI was the same thing as the Bill of Rights. Now you are trying to backpedal. :laughing:
4. Really... there are grants specifically for White Anglo Saxons? Based soley on their race? I don\'t know what planet you live in. The grants minorities earn aren\'t earned... have you ever heard of quotas?? I believe some school in Michigan recently wanted to do away with the quota system and they were attacked by minority groups for trying to make the college admissions based on performance rather than race.
Also, don\'t lump blacks in with the Mexicans. The blacks in this country for the most part are citizens and are entitled to everything this country has to offer. The illegal immigrants are entitled to NOTHING. It is the illegals that hurt the other minorities in this country by taking jobs away from those minorites that are here legally.
Oh and whites do work at "Taco Bell, McDonalds, and do construction work" - come to Alabama some time and see for yourself.
On the issue of language, I am not going to let my son learn Spanish... I refuse to... it is not part of our heritage and I don\'t feel that he should be forced to learn a language to accomodate those too lazy to learn English. Some of you may say I am going to be hindering my son\'s opportunities... I don\'t believe so. If he is successful than anyone he deals with whether they are from another country or a different culture will most likely speak English as it has become the worlds universal language.
1.) :rolleyes: You sure like that :rolleyes:
2.) People like you keep them that way.
3.) "We hold this truths to be self-evident, that ALL MEN are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalianable rights, among these are LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, to secure these rights, governments are instituted..."
The Declaration of Independence...Republicans should read that once in a while.
^^^ That\'s what I said. No where did I state that they were rules or laws, they are the basic believes of which the people sought independece.
4.) I believe Quotas affect whites also. The schools have to accept a percentage of blacks, whites, hispanics and so on. Right? So therefore, white people aren\'t really being discriminated against. Furthermore, with quotas anybody can be discriminated. In San Francisco the parents of Chinese students sued the school district b/c their kids weren\'t accepted into the school because the quotas have been filled.
I firmly stand on my position when dealing with the "clumping" of African Americans and Mexicans/Mexican-Americans. Why? B/c their community was one of the most harrased by the whites. The Hispanics are fighting now for the same rights the African Americans where fighting for. They were too "illegal" when they were slaves. But they gained their freedom when they helped fight the Civil War...Kind of like how many Mexican/Latin Americans are fighting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan now. They didn\'t have rights at all even if they were legal. They fought for their rights and eventually overcame their adversaries who opposed to them having any kinds of rights. That\'s the reason why I mention them also and to take it further, I "clump" all minorities together legal and illegal because they all have to or have overcome the simple minded thinking that has veiled some of today\'s Americans.
Well I never been to Alabama. I live in Texas and I report what I see.
I feel great sorrow for your kid. If you are raising your kid in such a segregated way then you really haven\'t learned anything from the past centuries of trouble this country has endured. Learning Spanish or any other language will offer many new opportunities to make friends, obtain a job and even meet his "significant other". My aunt\'s husband is white, the only reason he learned Spanish was too try to talk to my aunt...Anyways I really have nothing else to say on that subject. Any kind of language learned will be a token that can help anybody in the future. Whether you refuse to believe it or accepted, it\'s the simple truth.
And you failed to mention why you didn\'t apply for a Scholarship...
Right now I have many Scholarship opportunities and yes even from some "Hispanic Scholarships". But:
1.) Numero 9 in my class rank
2.) Took 8 APs and passed 6 of the exams. (Damn Chemistry and CS)
3.) I haven\'t taken any ACT/SAT but I\'ll get around to that soon.
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For the last time Mystiq - try and comprehend that the Declaration of Independence is exactly how it sounds - a declaration proclaiming this country\'s independence from Britain - IT IS NOT A LAW - if you want to quote something quote the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Those are laws and would make a valid argument.
White people aren\'t being discriminated against due to the quota system??? Tell that to the kid who has all the grades and test scores, yet gets denied acceptance due a college having to take a minority that has inferior grades and test scores - THAT IS DISCRIMINATION.
I didn\'t feel like applying for any scholarships as you have to fill out enough paperwork to get student loans alone and I was 32 when I went through school to get my masters degree - they didn\'t give a crap about my class rank in high school LMAO... sheesh... My SAT\'s scores were somewhere slightly above 1200 and what class system would rank you at 9? The remedial classes maybe? Let me know what college accepts you (cough cough). Don\'t even try and present yourself as even remotely intelligent or superior to me intellectually - just look at your moronic OJ thread as an example.
Oh don\'t feel sorry for my child, for he will never have friends like you. You wouldn\'t be welcome in my house - and it has nothing to do with your race. Its your tacky bling bling taste in everything and your moronic views on this country.
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A black student getting a 28 on the ACT is about the same as a white student getting a 31 or 32.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
White people aren\'t being discriminated against due to the quota system??? Tell that to the kid who has all the grades and test scores, yet gets denied acceptance due a college having to take a minority that has inferior grades and test scores - THAT IS DISCRIMINATION.
Quotas are illegal. I don\'t think anyone uses quotas.
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Affirmative Action = euphemism for "quotas"
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
For the last time Mystiq - try and comprehend that the Declaration of Independence is exactly how it sounds - a declaration proclaiming this country\'s independence from Britain - IT IS NOT A LAW - if you want to quote something quote the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Those are laws and would make a valid argument.
White people aren\'t being discriminated against due to the quota system??? Tell that to the kid who has all the grades and test scores, yet gets denied acceptance due a college having to take a minority that has inferior grades and test scores - THAT IS DISCRIMINATION.
I didn\'t feel like applying for any scholarships as you have to fill out enough paperwork to get student loans alone and I was 32 when I went through school to get my masters degree - they didn\'t give a crap about my class rank in high school LMAO... sheesh... My SAT\'s scores were somewhere slightly above 1200 and what class system would rank you at 9? The remedial classes maybe? Let me know what college accepts you (cough cough). Don\'t even try and present yourself as even remotely intelligent or superior to me intellectually - just look at your moronic OJ thread as an example.
Oh don\'t feel sorry for my child, for he will never have friends like you. You wouldn\'t be welcome in my house - and it has nothing to do with your race. Its your tacky bling bling taste in everything and your moronic views on this country.
Your reply brought back the movie "American History X". The kid was so into learning about other cultures, but the dad spilled his BS about the world.
Tacky taste, just b/c it isn\'t your own huh...
Like I said the DoI is not a law. But it stated the reasons why they declared independence in the first place. If those reasons are broken now, what was the use of it?
Quotas affect everybody...I believe that is what I said.
It\'s funny how you seem to be lost in your own sense of self satisfaction and ignorance. So I\'m not going to fight it. You are King. You are the most intelligent creature in the world. And if being intelligent has anything to do with believing any of the beliefs you have, I\'ll rather stay stupid.
Well...My school is number 2 in Texas. Science and Engineering Magnet. I don\'t know about OJ b/c I didn\'t live in this country at the time the case happened. You can consider yourself as highly as you please, but I will never accept a person with views like yours capable of being intelligent. Period.
Stereotyping are we ("Bling Bling") Well I think that your old views on the world and conservative ways are moronic. But you are always right my lord.
What does your son having a friend "like me" have to do with discrimination? Also, what is your heritage? Weren\'t the original settlers accepting immigrants and worked together with them and at the same time consuming their culture? Isn\'t that why there are Taco-bells, Taco-Bueno, Domino\'s Pizza, Panchos...etc? Your "culture" is not defined as being one that only speaks English. In fact, your culture has been the most influenced by other cultures in this country. This COUNTRY has been the most influenced by cultures from all over the world, being in a position were you are not willing to accept "other" cultures other than your own is basically saying that you aren\'t accepting what your country has become.
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Affirmative Action is constitutional as long as it is used properly. When it went to the supreme court last year(?) they ruled that it was constitutional because the school used race/gender as one of many qualifiers.
Example of how affrimative action works in college admissions:
Black Samurai University has an admissions acceptance limit of 60 points.
- Students get 1 point for every GPA point(on a 4.0 scale) with a max of 40 points.
- Students that play sports get 5 points. Students that play big name sports get an extra 5 points.
- Students get 3 points for every extra curricular.
- Students get points based on proximity to the school(Max=20; Min=5)
- Females get an extra 5 points.
- Minority Students get an extra 5-10 points(based on current campus minority population).
It doesn\'t work EXACTLY like above but that is the gist of it. Race/Gender is part of a larger scheme.
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The reason other cultures have been embraced is because they adapted to our English speaking society - meaning they learned the language. Language was the common bond between those that immigrated here and those that were here. Refusing to speak English AND being an illegal alien is where I have the problem Mystiq.
My culture is an English speaking culture as I am American. My ancestors spoke German as well as English, but the language that binds them both is English and it is how I came to be. Your weak examples of food - Taco Bell and Taco Bueno are a joke. I accept those that accept this countries laws and customs which does not mean they have to give up their own at the same time. By customs this includes language which some of your fellow immigrants refuse to learn.
The DoI is a good artifact, but it is not law and for you to even assert that it should have some sort legal binding is idiotic.
Science and Engineering Magnet???? Are you trying to say you building super conductors?
Lastly, you are a walking stereotype and I am not alone when it comes to thinking you lack taste.
I am done with this conversation and neither of us is going to agree on any point.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
- Females get an extra 5 points.
It doesn\'t work EXACTLY like above but that is the gist of it. Race/Gender is part of a larger scheme.
This is also unjust... gender discrimination. Black Samurai, I know yours was an example, but I fear it pretty close to the truth.
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Sorry I\'m going to throw something out there that isn\'t completely related. How can people cry about racial profiling in traffic tickets when their is Affirmative Action out there? They\'re the same just different ends of the spectrum.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
The reason other cultures have been embraced is because they adapted to our English speaking society - meaning they learned the language. Language was the common bond between those that immigrated here and those that were here. Refusing to speak English AND being an illegal alien is where I have the problem Mystiq.
My culture is an English speaking culture as I am American. My ancestors spoke German as well as English, but the language that binds them both is English and it is how I came to be. Your weak examples of food - Taco Bell and Taco Bueno are a joke. I accept those that accept this countries laws and customs which does not mean they have to give up their own at the same time. By customs this includes language which some of your fellow immigrants refuse to learn.
The DoI is a good artifact, but it is not law and for you to even assert that it should have some sort legal binding is idiotic.
Science and Engineering Magnet???? Are you trying to say you building super conductors?
Lastly, you are a walking stereotype and I am not alone when it comes to thinking you lack taste.
I am done with this conversation and neither of us is going to agree on any point.
Well if I\'m a stereotype...you are too right? And I\'m also not alone that you lack taste. No I\'m just very "highly trained" in math.
I would continue on with the conversation but seems like you decided to end it. So there.
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(look back and forth nervously and confuse)
Ummm...I will pick...(scratches head)....don\'t know who to pick as right or wrong. You guys, which side i pick?
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Originally posted by Paul2
(look back and forth nervously and confuse)
Ummm...I will pick...(scratches head)....don\'t know who to pick as right or wrong. You guys, which side i pick?
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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Originally posted by Paul2
(look back and forth nervously and confuse)
Ummm...I will pick...(scratches head)....don\'t know who to pick as right or wrong. You guys, which side i pick?
Republican.
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Affirmative action rocks... Hooray for having a Spanish mom. In hindsight it is becoming outdated as universities are more than culturally diverse, however because it benefits me, I will not complain.
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Originally posted by clips
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Democrat. Whoops wrong quote.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
In hindsight it is becoming outdated as universities are more than culturally diverse, however because it benefits me, I will not complain.
What do you consider "more than culturally diverse"?
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All right, okay. I will go with Democrats since i am a Democrats...i wonder if there is such party as Moderate? Anybody here is reactionary?
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
What do you consider "more than culturally diverse"?
Have you ever seen a "United Colors of Benetton" poster?
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I was brought into a family which preaches to be democratic. I do have some conservative views and some liberal views. But overall I am a democrat.
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Kerry for PRESIDENT 2004!!!
"I vote Democrat b/c I can\'t afford to vote Republican"