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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Living-In-Clip on February 11, 2004, 09:32:44 PM
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With all the talk of no WoMD being found in Iraq and Bush\'s "Axis of Evil", it seems we have overlooked North Korea, someone who is openly doing a nuclear program and now evidence is being leaked out that they are testing CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON PEOPLE.
N. Korea testing chemical weapons on humans. (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/east/02/11/nkorea.rights/index.html)
Should the US respond? If not - why? Any other thoughts?
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Well everything bad about Bush has already been said.
They have to know. Unless they want to make themselves look like a bunch of hypocrites...
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All I know is my dad is in South Korea right now and I would feel much better not getting into any conflict with North Korea.
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I know i have talked alot of smack about bush & his handling of the iraq war. But he\'s now faced with a country that has wmd and the means to deliver them..it also seems that they are in cahoots with china..which makes this situation very ugly. anybody remember when china stormed on those college students who were protesting peacefully?..If n.korea is performing these horrific acts then who\'s to say that china is not down with them.
It could prove grave if the u.s. chooses another pre-emptive strike as the military is strained beyond it\'s limits and it\'s too much to risk a retaliation from n.korea as i feel we may be able to take out a few of their missles but i feel at least one will get by our defenses and it will be catastrophic. And would china sit back and do nothing? hard to say,..best to play it safe with n.korea & go the diplomatic route as it\'s too risky to call their bluff.
ps:there was also an incident between the u.s. & china a few years back..i think it involved a u.s. spy plane that was flown into china airspace & two china fighter planes coached the spy plane to land..i\'m not sure what happened as a result but i know the chinese military stripped down the whole plane..must have been incredibly embarassing to the bush adm.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
All I know is my dad is in South Korea right now and I would feel much better not getting into any conflict with North Korea.
Man that really sucks. I wish the best for your dad. But I\'m sorry if NK is really that much of a threat they must be handled. I\'m not praising Bush at all, but it\'s his job to secure this Country without lies. And this doesn\'t seem to come from bad intelligence.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Should the US respond? If not - why? Any other thoughts?
Nahhh......I mean come onthey have DO have WMD, and it might end up like another Vietnam.
Plus i don\'t think there is any OIL in North Korea ;)
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I doubt that it would end up like another Vietnam...it might end up WORSE because since they have a nuke.
Not to mention, North Korea IS China\'s puppet. What North Korea has, China allows. Getting China to do something with North Korea would be productive. Also, Seoul is only 30 miles away, if we went to war with North Korea immediately, Seoul would be gone before we get to the border. This is supposing that they have a nuke thanks to our buddy Bill Clinton (why are you bring up Clinton? Clinton Basher! But the sole reason why they have nukes and are a problem now IS because of Clinton [he made the deal in which North Korea recieved food while they promised not to develop any nukes. A promise they obviously peed away]). This is why deplomacy is important. If not, then the other solution would be to nuke North Korea before they nuke us, or its neighbor (South Korea and Japan in particular). Which again, might not be in time if they striked first in Seoul.
[edit]I\'m all for regime change in North Korea. But different circumstances require different solutions.
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Originally posted by clips
ps:there was also an incident between the u.s. & china a few years back..i think it involved a u.s. spy plane that was flown into china airspace & two china fighter planes coached the spy plane to land..i\'m not sure what happened as a result but i know the chinese military stripped down the whole plane..must have been incredibly embarassing to the bush adm.
It was April of 2001 and the plane wasin international air space. It colided with a fighter and landed in China. They stripped it down.
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Originally posted by videoholic
It was April of 2001 and the plane wasin international air space. It colided with a fighter and landed in China. They stripped it down.
And the Chinese pilot\'s name was Wong Wei. American pilots frantically called to him on the radio "WRONG WAY! WRONG WAY!" But Wong Wei misunderstood and thought they were calling to him to get closer. :p
Okay.....His name IS Wong Wei....the rest I made up. :p
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LOL!:laughing::laughing::laughing:
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
With all the talk of no WoMD being found in Iraq and Bush\'s
People are so misconcepted with the term Weapons of Mass Destruction. The media and the citizens are led to believe that a weapon of mass destruction is a giant bomb that goes BOOM. A weapon of mass destruction can be a few blocks of C4 strapped to a man\'s chest. Also what is a WMD is CHEMICAL WEAPONS. Something that Hussein had and was told to dispose of. The nuclear weapons aren\'t really what our troops are searching for. The media just put so much out about it that made people believe that is what we are looking for. What is a WMD is any chemical, biological, explosive and the things that deliver them. This is what Hussein has and this is what our troops are looking for. My dad is in the Army and works with WMDs and is the one who told me all this incase any of you want to know.
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I have made the 6000th post in Current Events. :)
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We had to go after the lesser of two evils.
**** Bush, you can quote me on that. I was watching cspan, and someone in the house of representitives was giving a speech on him. Did you know that the last 4 presidents all entered office with $40 billion to use, and that Bush got it to -$500 billion IN 3 YEARS.
He lied about the WMD\'s, he went against the UN, and now we\'re in danger of another war that we\'re not prepared for.
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Don\'t worry, we will be moving up a step with Kerry in 2004, but it is still a small step in the big picture. But I like the guy, except for his drug policies.
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North Korea was a problem that started WAY before Bush. It is a problem that will NOT be easily solved no matter what anyone says (Clinton certainly didn\'t do it. In fact, he actually made it worse since North Korea [under Clinton] was supposed to get rid of their nuclear program...which they didn\'t).
Kerry will be every lefties wet dream. Granted, he isn\'t as insanely liberal as Kucinich (mayor who litterally ran Cincinatti to the ground financially [:rolleyes:]), but he is quite liberal in many of his ideologies. Its scary to think that anyone thinks he has any "conservative" leanings. Then again, given his flipflopping stances on issue (INCLUDING the war in Iraq. He voted for giving Bush authorization to go to war. Even though he now is trying to spin his way and say he is against it now), I can see where the true blue liberal could have problems with him. But if he does get into office, he will deffinetly move this nation left (and IMO, the wrong direction).
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...and Bush would move it in the best direction right?
Kerry is THAT much of a liberal. He is against Gay marriage. Other than that. DEMOCRATS ARE NUMBER 1!!
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Where the **** did I say that Bush would move it in the best direction? :rolleyes:
I believe he is better then Kerry yes. But that is not saying much in this day and age now is it?
And Kerry, while on one hand he says he is against gay marriage, his voting record and a few not so public interviews, he supports it. Again, that double speech all politicians do (Republicans or Democrats mind you).
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But if he does get into office, he will deffinetly move this nation left (and IMO, the wrong direction).
If left is the wrong direction, then right is right...right? Unless there is an "up" or "down"
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Originally posted by Simchoy
If not, then the other solution would be to nuke North Korea before they nuke us, or its neighbor (South Korea and Japan in particular).
Easy there cowboy. You think the world was against us when we went into Iraq without their support? Imagine if we launched a pre-emptive nuclear strike. NO president is that irresponsible.
North Korea is a totally different animal than Iraq. Iraq was basically a walk in the park. We were fighting against a skeleton army that had inferior weapons and no REAL support from anyone. North Korea has numbers, weapons, and the backing of(arguably) our biggest threat in the world. Its like fighting the chess club president or the local crips.
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Yes. SirMystiq, that is what I meant. The thing is, Bush isn\'t moving the nation "right". He is simply straddling the line. Better then Kerry mind you (IMO. Another thing you need to get in mind of. This is all IMO), but not in the "right" direction.
Black Samurai, I never said that we should pre-emptively nuke North Korea. And so far, NO ONE is suggesting that. What I am saying, to prevent millions of deaths in South Korea or Japan, we might be forced to do that IF it comes to that. At the moment, thats still a longs way off.
Again, this is why dealing with North Korea requires a COMPLETELY different solution then Iraq. Like comparing apples to oranges.
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Kerry won\'t say anything to liberal because he wants to be president....
I think the best choice was kusinich but our country wasn\'t ready to progress that far yet. oh well.
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I think I\'m voting for the Republicans in this election. I don\'t like the democrats ideaology in the upcoming election (to be honest, don\'t know much about it, just they want to try and get out of the war and impatient). I\'m voting Republican because Bush should be given the chance (or rather the next president) to finish the job Bush has started and get Iraq back on its feet.
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See in a way we can say we are now dealing with PROBLEMS left from the last administrations 8 year hiatus of standing back and doing nothing besides get bj\'s in the oval office, which I do applaude I\'m just saying, just because somethings wrong now doesn\'t always go to the blame of the current president, some people are very quick to judge. My gf\'s father is over there in Iraq now so for you to say he\'s over there for nothing, then f*ck you. Sorry for the rant.
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Clinton has nothing to do with this war, absoultley nothing.
And im sorry about yer family connection to the war and I hope he returns safley.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Clinton has nothing to do with this war, absoultley nothing.
And im sorry about yer family connection to the war and I hope he returns safley.
Have you been in a coma? Clinton had every opportunity to get Bin Laden yet he didn\'t. He also turned a blind eye to Saddam\'s violation of UN sanctions. Do you deny this? If you don\'t how can you claim he had absolutely nothing to do with the war in Iraq and on terrorism. Have you ever heard of cause and effect?
That does not mean he is totally responsible, but he does share the burden.
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If you ignore something doesn\'t mean it disappears. Though I don\'t know what can be done about North Korea without the whole world being involved some way.
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Well like Giga said if Clinton had ballsed up and defied the UN(United Nations of No Power), since when has the UN been relatively present in the Middle East and solved anything ever?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Have you been in a coma? Clinton had every opportunity to get Bin Laden yet he didn\'t. He also turned a blind eye to Saddam\'s violation of UN sanctions. Do you deny this? If you don\'t how can you claim he had absolutely nothing to do with the war in Iraq and on terrorism. Have you ever heard of cause and effect?
That does not mean he is totally responsible, but he does share the burden.
everbody turned a blind eye to saddams violations..truth is if not for 911 sanctions would still be in place..and correct me if i\'m wrong but after the 1st world trade ctr bombing clinton bombed a drug pharmarcy over seas supposedly connected with bin laden if i remember correctly..he also was responsible for the nabbing of that blind muslim they had in custody (at the time they stated he was responsible for the act) forgot this blind muslim name tho.
as far as what side i choose i would say democrat but like i stated in another thread i like some of bushes plan for the country especially the permanent tax cuts ;) with all this billion dollar spending he still feels the american people needs that extra cash in their pocket, and that is something i applaud bush on. The democratic candidates all they talk about is the flim flam with the war & raising taxes there\'s no way any pres. is going to balance the budget so do for the people now instead of rasing taxes & balancing the budget.
so as you can see i say i\'m a dem but i\'m also for who can do the best job for the amer. people. bush is ok to me..just don\'t agree at all with the issue of iraq.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
My gf\'s father is over there in Iraq now so for you to say he\'s over there for nothing, then f*ck you. Sorry for the rant.
I agree with you. My dad too is in the military. He could be sent to Iraq with like a week\'s notice. Its not a comforting feeling knowing that. I hope your gf\'s father comes home safely.