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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: GmanJoe on February 20, 2004, 12:30:55 PM
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It\'s pretty controversial. Some think it\'s anti-semetic. I disagree. It happened 2000 years ago. Should white people say "Roots" was anti-white?
Many people say it\'s too graphic and violent. None of the Hollywood studios will distribute the movie so Mel Gibson is bank rolling most of it.
Your thoughts?
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As suprising as it may sound, yes.
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Im going to watch it if I can get tickets. It\'s the best portrayl of Christ\'s death you\'re likely to see.
It\'s not anti-semetic...the Bible makes it clear that Jew\'s carried out the execution. There is no reason for Jew\'s today to be offended by something that happened so many years ago and was out of there controll. It\'s just the way things happened and Mel Gibbson would be a friggin liar if he didnt include things the way they happened. I can understand Jew\'s getting a little skiddish about the movie but it\'s nothing against them.
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Every group throughout history has done soemthing wrong, so whats the big deal if a movie shows the jews doing something wrong?
Its taken from the BIBLE its an interpretation!!! the bible isnt fact, and like any other "Story" it is going to be viewed differently by different people.
I think its grea that mel gibson made this movie and the rest of hollywood will just have to deal with it. Whiners.
All the people pissed about this movie, kiss my ass.
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Do I have to?
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I\'m going to, for one reason or another. For one thing, it looks like a high quality film.
Deadly Hamster: The Bible isn\'t at all factual, is that what you\'re saying?
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Lets not turn this thread into that direction...
Hugh Jackman would have made a great Jesus.
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If I were mod, I\'d lock this if it got into a religious debate.
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Christians have also been portrayed as evil, probably worse than this. Braveheart comes to mind, but I know there\'s more.
I plan on seeing it Thurs night when there\'s less crowds.
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My church is promoting this movie up the butt (not literally, its not a Catholic church), so apparently they couldn\'t careless how Christians will be portrayed but are more concerned on what Christ went through.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
It\'s pretty controversial. Some think it\'s anti-semetic. I disagree. It happened 2000 years ago. Should white people say "Roots" was anti-white?
:laughing:
I think the whole thing is silly..
Yes Im going to see it. :fro:
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There are a lot of actors that could play Jesus. The guy they picked for The Passion is great, though.
Just the way he looks and acts. How about Daniel Day-Lewis? A little old for it now, but he has the intensity.
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There is supposed to be a person in the movie that is potraying the devil. Just some dude that is in the shadows all the time.
creepy....
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Every group throughout history has done something wrong,
Eskimos?
Jesus was Jewish, right? How can it be anti-semetic when the good guy and the bad guys are jewish?
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Mel Gibson\'s Five Commandments:
1. Thou shalt film a gory version of the passion of Christ in the dead tongues of Latin and Aramaic.
2. Thou shalt decry critics who claim that thy vision be anti-Semitic, creating worldwide media attention.
3. Thou shalt somehow manage to get thy moving picture distributed in more than 2,000 theaters.
4. Thou shalt spread the word among the faithful, resulting in massive advance ticket sales and even promotion on one of the gas-powered chariots in the Daytona 500 race.
5. Thou shalt sit back and watch the box-office dollars roll in.
That\'s all I think this movie is. People are making a huge deal out of it. "It will spread the word" they say, "it\'s exactly how the Bible says it happened" they say. Well Pilate was a very mean and cruel conqueror and to think that he actually felt bad about killing somebody is pretty shady.
Another thing, this reminds me of the "reverse discrimination" thing white people have. If a Jewish man was to make a movie about how Jesus tried to change their religion and claim that he was the messiah and through out the movie included facts that they believed were true about the messiah. Christians would be on that like a pack of hungry dogs on a piece of meat. The reason people think that it will send anti-semetic thought is the fact that Gibson actually included the Emperor\'s "washing his hands of guilt" which from my knowledge was only in ONE of the books that Gibson used. He also used information from a book by a rumored anti-semitic nun(I don\'t remember her name)
I do think this movie will send some kind of anti-semetic message. Whether the movie exemplifies it or not, the whole "Jews killed Jesus" will still be built in the people\'s mind after all this controversy. Some of my girlfriend\'s friends already say that "Jews are no good and the movie will show it" Not only that but their pastor claims the same thing. I went to their church(where they passed out free Passion movie tickets) and they were saying "It\'s how it happened, the Jews killed Jesus end of story"
Another thing I would like to find out. Where did all the hate come from? From what I recall the Jews were very friendly with Jesus throughout most of the Bible. "Palm Sunday" and all those celebrations by the Catholic church. But it so happens that the day Jesus was sentenced the whole crowd was blood thirsty. Why?
I think that people will take this the wrong way. Their pride tells them that they should support this movie blindly and at the same time their sense of being a "good Christian" will rise. They don\'t support this movie b/c of what it represents, they support because they feel the need to do it.
I don\'t see why people make a big deal of Jesus\' death. If God supposedly knows everything, he knew that his son was going to die. If Jesus\' hadn\'t died there wouln\'t be Christianity.
In order for people to understand the true "Passion of the Christ" they need blood and gore?
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
If I were mod, I\'d lock this if it got into a religious debate.
You just lost my vote
I hate locked threads
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I am not going to pay 20 bucks to go to a theater and watch something so brutal and depressing. I\'ll rent the thing though.
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i was thinking about it, most prob give it a miss, ubless someone i know sees it, and says it is good.... or i start hearing good reviews on here
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Well Pilate was a very mean and cruel conqueror and to think that he actually felt bad about killing somebody is pretty shady.
I was brought up catholic and Pilate is shown to not want to kill him in the bible, so that is how he is shown in the movie.
And Blaze, I wasn\'t saying that, just saying that something written that long ago is surley open to different interpretations of what actually may have happened.
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I\'m passing this movie up in favor of Eurotrip.......
Yeah, I have that little desire to see it.
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Fair enough. You called it a "story" which could be perceived as calling it a fairy tale or a novel.
Bad wording, I guess.
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I\'d call any document that old a story.
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not my kind of film really, I\'ll probably get it on dvd though.
Anyone else hear that Mel Gibson has become a huge bible thumper since this movie. I\'ve heard people say that they can\'t stand to be around him because all he does is preach now. Kind of a shame, because he used to seem pretty cool, oh well looks like I\'ll have to find another person to have a non-gay crush on.
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I saw the trailer today. It looked good. I will see it.
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Originally posted by ViVi
There is supposed to be a person in the movie that is potraying the devil. Just some dude that is in the shadows all the time.
The \'dude\' is supposedly a chick. Makes sense to me.
Anyway, hell yeah I\'m gonna watch this. I\'d watch crap on a stick if directed by Mel Gibson.
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Originally posted by Samwise
The \'dude\' is supposedly a chick. Makes sense to me.
Of course it makes sense, women are evil.
(P.S - Mel Gibson sucks)
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What was the equation where it proved girls are evil?
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Girls= time x money
time=money
therefor Girls= money²
and the money is the root of all evil
so Girls=evil
Yeah I lost the actual picture of it but there you go.
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I\'m going and it\'s the first movie in awhile that I am looking forward to see.
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Originally posted by Ashford
What was the equation where it proved girls are evil?
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LMAO...
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That\'s what the Bible says about Pilate. History shows a whole different side of him. Like I said, this movie will probably only be seen by Christians who feel the need to support it just because of what it is about. This will not "spread the word", it will just reinforce the viewers "beliefs"...if they had any. I\'ll probably see it and if I see any moronic people crying I swear I will laugh.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
That\'s what the Bible says about Pilate. History shows a whole different side of him. Like I said, this movie will probably only be seen by Christians who feel the need to support it just because of what it is about. This will not "spread the word", it will just reinforce the viewers "beliefs"...if they had any. I\'ll probably see it and if I see any moronic people crying I swear I will laugh.
This film will be a hit. Mark my words. Why you ask? Let me give you a list.
- The story of Christ is a universal story. It\'s timeless and people will flock to it , due to this.
- Mel Gibson\'s name is a driving force. Do you know any of the actors in the film? Do you even care? No. However, you do know that it is Mel Gibson\'s love-child and so does everyone else. He has star power.
- The controversy only serves to make it popular. It goes back to the old saying "there is no such thing as bad media". A couple groups protest, it makes it on the news and more people go to see what the fuss is about.
- Think about how many Christains are in America alone. Now start looking around on the \'net and local newspapers and you\'ll see COUNTLESS churches renting actual screenings. That\'s a lot of money and hype.
- It is primarly an art-film. Which means come awards time, it stands a great chance of reaping in some awards, which will only help it\'s eventual DVD release.
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I never said it will not be a hit. It will probably make lots of money and movies that come out that week aren\'t very promising. But like you said LIC, it will not be b/c of the quality. It will only be beacuse of the hype...
BTW...NICE AVATARR!!!
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maybe this movie will help get the word out about this Jesus guy. Who knows, he might get to be pretty well know, after this movie.
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Our church rented a theater, should be good watching it with so many people who have never seen an R-rated movie.
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start yelling out, "f*ck!" every once in wawhile. If anyone asks you about it, just say you were speaking in tongues.
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Hahahahaha... oh man, i love the funnies...
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HAHAHHAAHAH nice one omen...
I\'m planning to see it this weekend.
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Comes out here in Aus first, although I won\'t bother about it till DVD. Maybe not even then. I personally have no interest in religion. I\'ll watch it for a pop corn flick.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Comes out here in Aus first, although I won\'t bother about it till DVD. Maybe not even then. I personally have no interest in religion. I\'ll watch it for a pop corn flick.
Seems like an odd choice for a "pop corn flick", when you consider it lenght and the fact it is subtitled.
That is unless there is a different defintion of "pop corn flick" in Aus.
;)
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It\'s a popcorn flick to him coz he thinks it\'s fiction. :)
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I love fantasy stories!
I rank this one right up there with Star Wars...
Yes, I will see it. Martyrs rule.
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
I love fantasy stories!
I rank this one right up there with Star Wars...
Yes, I will see it. Martyrs rule.
May I spoil it for you? HE DIES AT THE END OF THE MOVIE!
However, the sequel will be "Return of the King".
HAR-DEE-HAR-HAR! I kills us, precious! :laughing:
I know I know.....
:gman:
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Originally posted by Samwise
The \'dude\' is supposedly a chick. Makes sense to me.
Anyway, hell yeah I\'m gonna watch this. I\'d watch crap on a stick if directed by Mel Gibson.
Well i loved Signs so like sammy said... anything with the Mel mister Gets my vote.
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Nope noway no how until the day I learn to speak latin I wont watch. I really cant stand subtitled movies your trying to read and then trying to watch and then you miss something cause crucifiction is a big damn word and your have to read it twice maybe and then you miss something.
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Originally posted by Cyrus
Nope noway no how until the day I learn to speak latin I wont watch. I really cant stand subtitled movies your trying to read and then trying to watch and then you miss something cause crucifiction is a big damn word and your have to read it twice maybe and then you miss something.
I guess driving is out of the question.
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Originally posted by Ace
I guess driving is out of the question.
Momma makes me wear a helement when I walk too just in case I fall a bump my noodle like last time. She said no more hurt punkin.
Honestly you you don\'t mind the subtitties then Ace?
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Actually I kind of agree with you but I think once you get into it you will forget about it.
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I hope they dub it in english when it comes out on DVD I can\'t watch this shit in Aramaic.
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People need to stop reading with their lips! Did you all know that if you just let your mind read, you can read faster and retain the information better? Thatshowspeedreadersdoit!
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I can read really fast when I watch subtitled movies so it dosen\'t bother me. I pretty much just glance at the words and focus back on the movie and the words just happen to make sense while watching the scene.
Some people have it, some don\'t. I can read books really fast too by just glancing at the words. I don\'t really know how I do it. I\'m definately not as fast as those speed readers you see from time to time.
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Originally posted by JBean
I can read really fast when I watch subtitled movies so it dosen\'t bother me. I pretty much just glance at the words and focus back on the movie and the words just happen to make sense while watching the scene.
Some people have it, some don\'t. I can read books really fast too by just glancing at the words. I don\'t really know how I do it. I\'m definately not as fast as those speed readers you see from time to time.
It\'s because you are not a "mumbling reader". When you read with just your mind, your eyes scan over several words as opposed to "mumblers" who read word after word.
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Did the guy that played Jesus got hit by lightning? I wonder if they will show that when it will be released on DVD...
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Well i have seen the movie. It is very powerfull and faithfull to the 4 gospels. I am glad mel Gibson took a chance on this film. BTW Pons Pilate was pressured by Ceasar to not have any more trouble so he did not want to crusify Jesus. Also he would be merciless toward murderers and people he hated but not people that was brought to him and just asked to kill.
Warning to everyone that wants to see it : IT IS VERY VIOLENT AND BLOODY !
AN
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Originally posted by Paul2
Did the guy that played Jesus got hit by lightning? I wonder if they will show that when it will be released on DVD...
Yes, he got hit by lightning...
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You guy\'s are so friggin\' lazy.
I take it you never watch forgein films? I mean, if there is something that is dubbed, I\'ll watch the dubbed, but I also own plenty of subtitled only films that I love. It\'s not really that big of a deal.
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I hate it when the dub films. It makes the movie crap. Like in Crouching Tiger, I had to switch to chinese and turn on subtitles cuz the engish version was so crap.
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In my speed reading class I set my college record at 10,000 wpm (as fast as the program would go) and I still hate to watch subtitled movies. I don\'t know why, I just don\'t like it.
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The movie was quite good, and quite disturbing, when walking out I was rather suprised to see vomit spread all over the floor of the theatre, now if you are a weak stomach I suggest you not see this in theatres.
Other than that I enjoyed it, the man went through a lot which is shown in this movie ten fold.
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I saw the movie. Wow! GREAT BLOOD!!
Other than that, pure hollywood meets Jesus. The movie was great, but not LOTR great. Of course I\'m biased against it because I firmly believe that people watching this movie and calling it great can\'t see past the name of it.
feels like a propaganda tool rather than entertainment for a general audience.
this film seems to arise less from love than from wrath, and to succeed more in assaulting the spirit than in uplifting it.
a must-see only as a cultural talking-point, not as a spiritual milestone
the scourging and whipping of the physical body virtually denies any metaphysical significance to the most famous half-day in history
… preaches squarely to the converted, assuming its target audience is steeped in Biblical arcana
Though the film is clearly an act of devotion, its narrow focus removes much of its effectiveness
… has more power and gore than power and glory, more blood and guts than blood and redemption
^^I AGREE WITH ALL OF THOSE REVIEWS.
This movie is nothing more than a cheap attempt of some Christian guy trying to "spread the word" I love Gibson though. People don\'t seem to realize that this is as far as a "religious token" can get. This movie covers nothing on what the true sacrifice of Jesus was. All this movie does is add extremely sad music and crying everywhere and fills the screen with gore. I still don\'t understand why people say "and the gore was worst in real life"...WHO CARES? The SUFFERING Jesus went through was not because of the whippings and crown of thorns it was the sins of his own people, the sins of every living person. I could easily say the "blood" was symbolism for his sorrow and pain he suffered from the unfaithful, hypocritical people that lived during that time and still live today.
2.5/5
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yep...... popcorn flick.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I still don\'t understand why people say "and the gore was worst in real life"...WHO CARES? The SUFFERING Jesus went through was not because of the whippings and crown of thorns it was the sins of his own people, the sins of every living person. I could easily say the "blood" was symbolism for his sorrow and pain he suffered from the unfaithful, hypocritical people that lived during that time and still live today.
2.5/5
IT just shows how big and such a great sacrafice he did for man kind. He did suffered beyond and accepted his destiny to save man kind ... so i guess the movie is all about showing realisticaly his suffering and his sacrafice .
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
It\'s pretty controversial. Some think it\'s anti-semetic. I disagree. It happened 2000 years ago. Should white people say "Roots" was anti-white?
Many people say it\'s too graphic and violent. None of the Hollywood studios will distribute the movie so Mel Gibson is bank rolling most of it.
Your thoughts?
couldn\'t have said it better myself!..well i could have but that would mean me making that statement before you typed it..which you did..but i could have if only you wouldn\'t have typed....what am i saying?;)..anyway i probably would see it..but if it\'s all dread & sad throughout the whole flick..i\'ll probabaly just wait. i can\'t stand to watch movies that\'s sad ALL the way through. such is the reason why i can\'t watch roots.
but i applaud mel for making this movie and to me it has nothing to do with the jews killing jesus it\'s just something that happened in history. Jews that are getting amped over it really need to lighten up. Ultimately it\'s just a movie..yes it will stir controversy & you can have your views on it,..but at the end of the day it\'s just a movie.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
This movie is nothing more than a cheap attempt of some Christian guy trying to "spread the word" I love Gibson though. People don\'t seem to realize that this is as far as a "religious token" can get. This movie covers nothing on what the true sacrifice of Jesus was. All this movie does is add extremely sad music and crying everywhere and fills the screen with gore. I still don\'t understand why people say "and the gore was worst in real life"...WHO CARES? The SUFFERING Jesus went through was not because of the whippings and crown of thorns it was the sins of his own people, the sins of every living person. I could easily say the "blood" was symbolism for his sorrow and pain he suffered from the unfaithful, hypocritical people that lived during that time and still live today.
2.5/5
2.5? I\'d give a 2.5 to Dude Where\'s my car or something stupid like that, it CAN\'T be that bad.
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/02/26/passion.death.reut/index.html
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this has to be the quote of the century"The movie was great, but not LOTR great."
The minds of many these days...........
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Originally posted by QuDDus
this has to be the quote of the century"The movie was great, but not LOTR great."
The minds of many these days...........
:laughing: Was he expecting the Riders of Rohan to do battle with the Romans and save Jesus? :p
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I\'m seeing it tomorrow. I also agree it must take a special breed to read subtitles and enjoy the film at the same time, but I can do it without fail. It\'s easy. I don\'t know what makes it difficult to some people honestly, perhaps a lack of concentration on the material? I don\'t know.
I will see this movie. I honestly have no interest in religion at all, but I am a movie-goer and I do enjoy films a great deal so long as the story is interesting. If nothing else, I\'ll be going to watch people fight in the aisles about the story and other cultures representation in the film or even to watch another lady have a heartattack. heh.
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I\'m sorry SirMystiq, but your review was very biased.
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The LOTR comment was just out of nowhere. That is the last movie I saw and it was fresh in my mind. I know it had no comparison but whatever.
No it isn\'t. The movie is extremely over hyped by Christians and I was raised a Catholic and I really don\'t see what is so special about this.
Is BLOOD and GORE necessary so that people can understand the suffering of Jesus?
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/02/26/passion.death.reut/index.html
I guess Jesus called her back to him. :)
BTW, this movie is doing landoffice business. According to the Hollywood Reporter, it took in $15 - $20 million on 4,643 screens on opening day of domestic release. If you\'re not familiar with these numbers, 4,600 screens is a huge number. Normal "WIDE" releases are usually around 3,200 - 3,600.
Perhaps if this is financially successful, we\'ll see a raft of copycats projects out of Hollywood. Maybe we\'ll get a remake of "The Ten Commandments" with Matthew McConaughey as Moses, or "Barabbas" featuring Joe Pesci. :rolleyes:
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Perhaps?! Boy it\'s going to happen.
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Noah\'s Ark starring Dennis Leary. You know you want it.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
The LOTR comment was just out of nowhere. That is the last movie I saw and it was fresh in my mind. I know it had no comparison but whatever.
No it isn\'t. The movie is extremely over hyped by Christians and I was raised a Catholic and I really don\'t see what is so special about this.
Is BLOOD and GORE necessary so that people can understand the suffering of Jesus?
Gibson\'s a devout Catholic nimrod, he produced the movie. Go repent. You act like the Catholic church is so god damn right child molesters? Yup, covering them up? Yup.
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What the **** are you talking about...I mentioned that I was raised Catholic. It has nothing to do with Gibson being a Traditional Catholic...Where does that come in anyways?
Traditionalist Catholics are alot different than all other Catholics...Nimrod.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Is BLOOD and GORE necessary so that people can understand the suffering of Jesus?
Yes... what other method would you use? In fact, thats what great about this movie is that it is real, and does not sugarcoat anything, what you see is what you get.
And SirMystiq, you have to admit you have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to religion, your posts from the last 5 months easily show it....
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You guys are weird. Can\'t mention anything religious without people arguing and tossing **** at each other.
Anyway... I just came back from the movie. It\'s the most powerful movie I\'ve ever seen in my life. The only thing I can imagine being wrong or overdone is... nothing. It IS gory, it IS powerful. But to say these two things never happened in our world is dumb.
I was holding back tears and the imagery of the things not taken directly from the Bible is very believable and only adds to the atmosphere. Whether you\'re a spiritual person I think you\'ll find this movie very mesmerizing. If you see it you have official bitching rights in this thread. :)
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Well i agree with THX , it is very powerfull and for me it really shows how big a sacrafice he went trought ... without sugarcoating it like people say ... but its real ... a reality check i guess
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Listing to what you are saying. The "blood" was real. The "gore" was real. Showing this only appeals to how much suffering and gore a person can take. Blood and gore doesn\'t not sum up to be the true meaning behind Jesus\' coming. First off, he died because he made the decision to die. Second, the Jews had more than enough reasons to kill him once you know their history. Third, the "suffering" was not the stuff he went through. The suffering was that it all happened because he sacrificed himself for the sins of humans. That\'s the suffering. This movie is just pure hollywood graphics.
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It meant more to many. Hollywood graphics don\'t make people cry, stories do.
I see what you are saying about you wanted it to go deeper, but this movie was meant more or less for people who already knew the story. I knew who Pontius Pilot was, who Judas was, what the Last Supper was, who Mary Magdelen was, etc... I was satisfied that it focused on Jesus\' suffering and how the flashbacks showcased what his life meant to different people. I thought it was very touching and not just an exhibition on Hollywood special FX.
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Ah you babies. You should be glad you were born in an English speaking country, or you\'d read subtitles all the time. :D
Actually I don\'t think it\'s that bad. I\'m glad foreign movies are subtitled here in Denmark and not dubbed. DUBBING IS SO FRIGGING BAD AND LAME! I can watch a gazillion German TV channels but I never watch them because they dub everything in German. Imagine Arnold Schwarzenegger saying I\'LL BE BAAACK in German... the horror.
Besides, sometimes you can miss something people say because of noise, either in the picture or in the real world. Subs make it easier to get it \'all\'. Of course it\'s pretty easy over here since most - if not all - adults speak English, and only have to rely on subtitles for unknown or hard-to-hear words.
Subtitles > dubbing any day.
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I will say this that Mary Magdelene could have been his wife and supposedly maybe even bore his child. What you read in the bible has been written and rewritten until one MAN liked it. The catholic church is a bunch of crap IMO.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Ah you babies. You should be glad you were born in an English speaking country, or you\'d read subtitles all the time. :D
Actually I don\'t think it\'s that bad. I\'m glad foreign movies are subtitled here in Denmark and not dubbed. DUBBING IS SO FRIGGING BAD AND LAME! I can watch a gazillion German TV channels but I never watch them because they dub everything in German. Imagine Arnold Schwarzenegger saying I\'LL BE BAAACK in German... the horror.
Besides, sometimes you can miss something people say because of noise, either in the picture or in the real world. Subs make it easier to get it \'all\'. Of course it\'s pretty easy over here since most - if not all - adults speak English, and only have to rely on subtitles for unknown or hard-to-hear words.
Subtitles > dubbing any day.
For me I hate subs. I do not go the theater too see movies that have subtitles.
I waked out on crouching tiger because of subs. Probably at home I would watch one but I would never goto a theater and see one.
I go to the show for entertainment not too sit and read. If I wanted to read I would take and extra college class.
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This is really a damn shame. Passion moves so slow, you have more than enough time to read ONE LINE of text when its just a still face on the screen.
I love subtitles, I can\'t imagine watching (hearing) a Kurosawa movie in English. It would lose the soul, or edge that gave his characters life in the films. Everyone\'s different yes, but you have to realize what you\'re missing if you won\'t open yourself up to a different culture\'s language.
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Kind of a mixed bag for me really. I get that he suffered and that sucks, but the message of all that suffering, the reasons behind it, and the forgiveness he tried to tell us all to display, to love your fellow man, despite his ignorance, was totaly lost. There was only one moment where Jesus conveyed this message -- during a flashback no less -- at a moment that was one of the most powerful in the film during a scene, which is the obvious motif of the whole film, where Romans are beating the blood right out of his open wounds and we\'re supposed to understand that from all this? I don\'t think so.
Let me put it this way, suppose you\'re watching another movie where the carnage is high and the suffering is nigh unbearable, say saving private ryan, and one of the lieutenants on Omaha Beach stands up in the middile of all the blood letting, soldiers losing legs, arms, our nations sons dying because of some dictator with a screw loose, and says to the people in the theatre, "love thy enemy for there is no reward in only loving those who love you." What would be your reaction to this? Would you agree? Different movies, sure enough, but be reasonable here, the message is of forgiveness and love despite death and pain and here we are complementing the realistic gore and the pain he must have felt.
I don\'t know about anyone else, but there was never any doubt that he went through a great deal of pain with the crucifixion, no doubt in my mind at all at least, but the overall message was totaly lost. I have to agree, for one of the first times ever, with the review from the New York Times. They pretty much "nailed it" on that one. Yes yes, I\'m going to hell for that one, I know. ;)
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I know of a few people that are going just because they heard that the movie has a lot of blood and gore.....probably one of the most messed up comments I\'ve heard from kids at my school.
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well ... thats not true .. when he his on the cross he says ," forgive them father for they know not what they do " then the guy next to him on the cross looks at the romans and says " looks he his praying for YOU " ... and never in my mind have i imagined that he suffered that much ... never has a movie showed it so realisticaly ... anyway i loved it ... for me it was a very powerfull movie ... but we all have the right to our opinions :)
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He\'s praying for forgiveness of all men for their sins, but it was a sidenote during the whole film. "Oh wow, he SO suffered, it was SO brutal, it SO sucked for him and all those who worshipped him! oh and don\'t forget to love your fellow man despite all this too.
I just didn\'t feel it.
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Point taken ! but in the end Mel gibson wanted to make a movie about the last 12 hours realisticaly and according to the 4 gospels. In the end what he wanted was done right. So i guess it just down\'t appeal to you wich is good coz everybody is different and thats whats makes the world a world
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Originally posted by Ryu
He\'s praying for forgiveness of all men for their sins, but it was a sidenote during the whole film. "Oh wow, he SO suffered, it was SO brutal, it SO sucked for him and all those who worshipped him! oh and don\'t forget to love your fellow man despite all this too.
I just didn\'t feel it.
EXACTLY!!!
"Ohh but it was way more violent in real life....whatever he suffered for...":=
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hey hey, listen to this:
Two Christians come out of the movie. One says: "That was nice". The other says: "Meh, the book was better".
AGHAGHAGHAHGHAGHAGHGAHGHHG!!
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I didn\'t find it all that violent...
It was overdone but can\'t compare to a classic John Woo film...
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I saw it with my church, and people were sobbing... Briefly, I liked the movie a lot, and I thought it was really accurate. There were some parts that made me cringe, but the gore wasn\'t that bad.
Ok, new question, in which part did you guys cry?
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None...
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No part made me cry either and I agree with ashford, it really wasn\'t that violent. People need to watch more movies.
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I didn\'t cry at all, but came close in that scene where Mary tries to help Jesus and they flash back to him falling as a child. Very, very touching.
As far as violence is concerned, I don\'t know if it\'s the goriest or the most violent movie I\'ve seen.. but I don\'t think I\'d seen somebody tortured that badly before. Not like that, anyway..
I mean, yeah.. we could bring up that one scene in RoboCop.. but.. :)
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Just got back from the theater and I have only one word to describe it . . . WOW!
Put me in the biased column, though.
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Going to see it tomorrow.. Cant wait. :D
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You know there are people right now that are going through alot more than what the movie showed...but they are actually living it...None of those Christian churches who spent thousands of dollars on that movie care though. Hypocrisy?
These people are telling me that this movie will "touch" you and "change your life forever"...How? American History X has a much deeper meaning than the Jesus movie did. I\'m pretty sure that if a Jew was to make a movie about "Why we killed Jesus" and keep in congruency with history Christians would be all over that movie. There was another movie called "The Last Temptation..." but nobody seemed to care and it was alot better than this one. How accurate can this movie be? Yeah, I\'m pretty sure God was playing that sad music through the clouds as Mary was having the "accurate" flashback she had.
If the movie hadn\'t added those special "to make the audience" cry effects it would of been alot better. They didn\'t "sugar coat it" they just sprayed it with onion juice.
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Do you honestly think Mel Gibson, a devout Catholic, made this movie simply to make people cry?
Dude, you\'re so anti-religion. And don\'t say you\'re not.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
You know there are people right now that are going through alot more than what the movie showed...but they are actually living it...None of those Christian churches who spent thousands of dollars on that movie care though. Hypocrisy?
These people are telling me that this movie will "touch" you and "change your life forever"...How? American History X has a much deeper meaning than the Jesus movie did. I\'m pretty sure that if a Jew was to make a movie about "Why we killed Jesus" and keep in congruency with history Christians would be all over that movie. There was another movie called "The Last Temptation..." but nobody seemed to care and it was alot better than this one. How accurate can this movie be? Yeah, I\'m pretty sure God was playing that sad music through the clouds as Mary was having the "accurate" flashback she had.
If the movie hadn\'t added those special "to make the audience" cry effects it would of been alot better. They didn\'t "sugar coat it" they just sprayed it with onion juice.
So you have a different opinion than others. Why so grumpy? So it touched others deeper than you, why are you so defensive?
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I\'m not grumpy...I\'ve been bitched too about how "great" this movie is by my gf\'s friends. And it\'s all the same excuses. So I\'m just frustrated!
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I\'m not grumpy...I\'ve been bitched too about how "great" this movie is by my gf\'s friends. And it\'s all the same excuses. So I\'m just frustrated!
They\'re not "excuses", as if it were a fault that they have to explain to you why they like it. They gave you their reason. They enjoyed it more than you, why do you feel so offended?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...They don\'t "give" opinions. They stab you with them and call you a "heathen" and an "anti-christian" and tell my girlfriend to break up with me b/c of it. Yeah, all this comes from the same chick, who is 17 and is dating a 27 year old and she also drinks...
I find it offensive because they really don\'t know what they are talking about. They keep on bringing the same "it was worst in real life" BS and I tell them "so, it doesn\'t matter, that\'s not the reason he suffered" and it\'s like I streaked in the middle of their Chruch. Silly Protestants.
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You\'re hanging around with the wrong people.
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Mystiq what do we have to do with your girlfriend\'s friends making fun of you? Don\'t take it out on us buddy. We liked the movie, no amount of bitching will change our minds.
Take Ashford\'s advice, this dame is causing you more grief than happiness with all the threads and posts you\'ve made about her. So we\'ll tell you to ditch her, but you refuse, even though she\'s not giving up any @$$. I\'m confused already.
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What advice?
:confused:
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Oh sorry I got you confused with Avatarr ;)
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I\'m going to watch myself type "this thread sucks".
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...Ok? I wasn\'t bitching. I just told you about the movie and how I saw it...I\'m pretty happy with my Gf so I think I\'ll pass on the advice. Her friend is just not very fun to be around, in fact the guy her other friend is dating hates to be around her also...she\'s a real bitch.
Passion = Hollywood meets Jesus and then they get crazy with fake blood.
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Passion = powerfull with nothing to do with hollywood and a great vision from mel Gibson
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Passion = Hollywood meets Jesus and then they get crazy with fake blood.
History Channel\'s expert historians and Hollywood critic Joel Siegal differs on your opinion. They had an hour long discussion about Mel Gibson\'s film and they all agreed that it was quite accurate to the Gospel. Historians noted that the whips did exactly as the movie depicted (therefore BLOODY - not "Hollyblood"), spoke about Pilate\'s experience with the Jews in that he had to prevent another uprising, therefore allowing them, not Romans, to decide Jesus\' fate. Pilate knew that Jews were quite volatile when Romans decided the fate of another Jew.
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I agree with the last two posts.... Mystiq you\'re the only one I\'ve heard say that this was all about Hollywood...
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
...Ok? I wasn\'t bitching. I just told you about the movie and how I saw it...I\'m pretty happy with my Gf so I think I\'ll pass on the advice. Her friend is just not very fun to be around, in fact the guy her other friend is dating hates to be around her also...she\'s a real bitch.
Passion = Hollywood meets Jesus and then they get crazy with fake blood.
Mystiq - Why don\'t you shut up already? You are worse than Swif when it comes to whining about your so called gf. You are angry at everything - not only religion, but sticking with this thread - this movie is good for believers and non believers alike.
Secondly, I can\'t believe you compare story of Jesus to American History X. Yeah American History X is a good movie, but you are trying to compare it to the foundation of a major religion. Personally, I am more apathetic towards religion than most - see my first post in this thread, but this movie does portray something that most only can imagine. I applaud Gibson for bankrolling this film - even though its not my type of movie I found something redeeming in watching it.
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I don\'t know when this turned into "let\'s try to calm Mystiq down and give him advice" Just because I\'ve posted a thread when I was pissed doesn\'t mean I hate her. You guys were really quick to jump to conclusions. AND what is more ironic is that you think im "mad about everything"...I\'m not, I rarely get mad.
Secondly, when I posted about the movie I always kept the subject on the Christians and their position on the movie. They are claiming this is the lord of all movies and honestly I don\'t see what the big deal was.
The whole "it\'s in the Bible" doesn\'t cut it. Is it a good movie? It was alright. Should it stand as a token of Christianity? No. People should come to a religion by their own will, not by watching a sappy movie and becoming so sad that they have no choice but to turn to the church.
Christianity = Hollywood\'s new bank
And that is that.
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I give up.
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I read through this entire thread and it seems to me that you(Mystiq) can\'t let things go. You stated your opinion over and over, there is no need to re-hash everything you\'ve already said. So you didn\'t like the movie, big deal.
You sound like you\'re trying to get attention by being "different" than everyone else by not liking this movie. It\'s not that big of a deal.
As for the movie, I actually haven\'t had a chance to see it yet, but I plan on doing that on Thursday.
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Everybody else was re-estating their opinion, but nobody really got into the movie except for a few. No actually I just didn\'t like the movie. It\'s kind of like if I said "Star Wars SUCKS BALLS" Plenty of people would chew me up for that one.
And that\'s about it for this thread...unless you want some more of my stubborness!!
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me wants more stuborness :) By the way... Most Hollywood boss\'s were angry at Mel for making this movie ... this movie has nothing to do with hollywood, this movie has everything to do with what Mel gibson felt like trying and doind ... And i applaud him for making it
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Well, I\'m pretty sure Hollywood is going to bite of Christianity again sooner or later.
The movie went from a Christian type thing to a money monster. And now Hollywood will suck it all up.
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How does Hollywood benefit if Mel financed this movie?
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Well, I\'m pretty sure Hollywood is going to bite of Christianity again sooner or later.
The movie went from a Christian type thing to a money monster. And now Hollywood will suck it all up.
Did you read my post? Hollywood DID NOT TOUCH THIS MOVIE! They have no INVESTMENT in this movie.
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT. I will copy and paste it for you again later.
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I think what Mystiq is trying to say is that now we will get a bunch of religious movies coming from Hollywood, which is highly doubtful....
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Great movie. :)
Mel is the man.
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HA! Religion a great subject.
Great movie. Want to see it again.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I don\'t know when this turned into "let\'s try to calm Mystiq down and give him advice" Just because I\'ve posted a thread when I was pissed doesn\'t mean I hate her. You guys were really quick to jump to conclusions. AND what is more ironic is that you think im "mad about everything"...I\'m not, I rarely get mad.
Secondly, when I posted about the movie I always kept the subject on the Christians and their position on the movie. They are claiming this is the lord of all movies and honestly I don\'t see what the big deal was.
The whole "it\'s in the Bible" doesn\'t cut it. Is it a good movie? It was alright. Should it stand as a token of Christianity? No. People should come to a religion by their own will, not by watching a sappy movie and becoming so sad that they have no choice but to turn to the church.
Christianity = Hollywood\'s new bank
And that is that.
First you say the movie is allright - then in your next post you say the movie sucks... sheesh :stupid:
Secondly, for Christians I suppose this would be the lord of all movies. Does that not make sense? Also, how is this movie trying to convert people - all it is doing is telling a story. You are the only one who has made that insinuation.
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Question: If this movie is suppose to be so accurate, then why does a white man portray Jesus? It\'s been historially proven that if Jesus did exist, then he wouldn\'t of been white.
Hmph!
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Not disagreeing LIC-
But howso?
Ive heard the Black Jesus thing over and over again, I just think its a joke really.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Secondly, for Christians I suppose this would be the lord of all movies. Does that not make sense? Also, how is this movie trying to convert people - all it is doing is telling a story. You are the only one who has made that insinuation.
I watched the morning news where I saw a priest saying it was an evangelists dream. He flat out told people to take their friends so they could possibly be converted by watching the movie. I know this is one instance, and it may not be the primary force behind making the movie but it is there.
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Jesus probley wouldn\'t be black (e), he\'d be more a middle eastern skin tone...
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Originally posted by (e)
Not disagreeing LIC-
But howso?
Ive heard the Black Jesus thing over and over again, I just think its a joke really.
Read the bible, think about it. Jesus would of not been white. There are numerous reasons, more than I care to state. The fact is, the reason you think it\'s a joke is because all portraits are of a white jesus. Why is that? Simple, racism. It\'s a racism that most people don\'t even acknowledge. The foundation of most modern Christainity is based on a white-man\'s viewpoint and this includes a white Jesus. Was it black? Doubtful, more like \'tan skinned\' sort of like an Iraqi.
The problem really is as a culture, we have grown to accept Jesus as a white male. And now, most people can\'t fathom the idea that he may of not been white. It\'s a lot like the crucfixtion hands vs wrists debate. It took along time before people admitted all the portraits, necklaces and so on of Jesus\' crucfixation are inaccurate.
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It really doesn\'t matter what race he was... I personally couldn\'t care less if he was black or even asian for that matter... Its all about how much he rocks.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
It really doesn\'t matter what race he was... I personally couldn\'t care less if he was black or even asian for that matter... Its all about how much he rocks.
You avoided the point of thepost.
If we are going to try and be accruate, then he wouldn\'t be white in the movie, now would he?\\
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Maybe he wasn\'t even a person at all....omgzors.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Maybe he wasn\'t even a person at all....omgzors.
I was attempting to avoid that conversation.
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jesus was black ppl just hate to admit it. Nobody wants to accept the facts.
And spudz is a total idiot.
Basicly well I was going to see it. The whole thing being in subtitles well made me not want to see it. So I ended up leaving that show and going to the cheap show to see paycheck.
And I don\'t ever plan on see it. Call me what you want but a movie is supose to be entertainment and when I am getting entertained I don\'t want to read. Unless the entire film is in another language thats different.
I see no reason why he would make it that way. I guess I\'ll go rent the Ten Commandments.
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There is so little in the way of subtitles it not that big of a deal. Once i got into the movie I didn\'t even realize I was reading.
By the way, who gives a flying crap what color He was?
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Well, in the movie, he could have passed for a Mediterrenean. Maybe Jesus looked Mediterrenean : dark wavy hair, brown or hazel eyes...maybe even blue, tanned skin, medium build.
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The guy in the movie wasn\'t too white, but they do portray everyone in the movie to be white too. Thing is that like LIC said white man basically took the bible and wrote it for themselves IMO, there are so many truths in the bible, but what about all the untruths or missing links???
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The Dead Sea Scrolls have more stories about Jesus that is not in the Bible.
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i don\'t think he was black , more like tanned skinned and all and in the movie he wasn\'t all that white , everyone has tanned skin exept mary magdelene ( not sure how you write it )
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He probably looked dark skinned like from Arabia... I highly doubt he was of African-descent.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Basicly well I was going to see it. The whole thing being in subtitles well made me not want to see it. So I ended up leaving that show and going to the cheap show to see paycheck.
And I don\'t ever plan on see it. Call me what you want but a movie is supose to be entertainment and when I am getting entertained I don\'t want to read. Unless the entire film is in another language thats different.
Sorry, but that sounds so ignorant... It was in another language. The fact that, "you don\'t like to read" sounds very silly.
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"Call me what you want"
You\'re an idiot?
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Sorry, but that sounds so ignorant... It was in another language. The fact that, "you don\'t like to read" sounds very silly.
I never said I don\'t like to read I said when I go to the movies I don\'t like to sit and read.
I have fun at the theater sitting and reading for 2hrs is not my idea of fun.
Just because you enjoy it doesn\'t mean I have too.
Furthermore I am not a bible thumper. So the need for me to run out and see this movie is next to none. I am not saying it isn\'t good because of the subtitles. I just don\'t have to see it.
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And I will say that if you can\'t enjoy a film because it has a few words at the bottom of the screen, that you\'re not even really reading but skimming, then that is ignorant. It\'s not like your just reading a novel, you see the picture, skim the words, and its really not that big of a deal.
But to each his own...
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And spudz is a total idiot.
What did I do to provoke this?
Honestly.
The subtitles is a great idea, it adds to realism, and just is a great effect. I think this movie is going to rock, even though I believe most religion is a joke. Religious or not, its a great story.
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*kudos bar to Spudz*
I\'m glad you\'re at least willing to admit that it is a great story... Because... it is.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Read the bible, think about it. Jesus would of not been white. There are numerous reasons, more than I care to state. The fact is, the reason you think it\'s a joke is because all portraits are of a white jesus. Why is that? Simple, racism. It\'s a racism that most people don\'t even acknowledge. The foundation of most modern Christainity is based on a white-man\'s viewpoint and this includes a white Jesus. Was it black? Doubtful, more like \'tan skinned\' sort of like an Iraqi.
The problem really is as a culture, we have grown to accept Jesus as a white male. And now, most people can\'t fathom the idea that he may of not been white. It\'s a lot like the crucfixtion hands vs wrists debate. It took along time before people admitted all the portraits, necklaces and so on of Jesus\' crucfixation are inaccurate.
Wow, you just proved yourself wrong(bitch). If Jesus wasn\'t white then how could anyone, the bible, his fans(I don\'t know religion at all btw), etc, how could they ever accept a black messiah in the first place? They couldn\'t, therefore Jesus was undoubtably white.
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Good God, do you people not read?
By the way, who gives a flying crap what color He was?
I don\'t, but Gibson says he wants to portray Christ as accruate as possible, in which case he is lying, because the chance of Jesus being white is almost zilch.
And if I see one more post arguing if he was black or not, I\'ll scream. I never said he was black, I said he would be tanned skin more like an Iraqi.
Argh!
READDDD!
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Black/Semi black it\'s all the same there were still "half black" slaves back in the day and my point was it would of been impossible for Jesus to be anything other than white going by your racism logic.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
He probably looked dark skinned like from Arabia... I highly doubt he was of African-descent.
uhm what continent was adam & eve created?..and if i\'m not mistaken israel, jerusalem all are a part of africa..
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Read the bible, think about it. Jesus would of not been white. There are numerous reasons, more than I care to state. The fact is, the reason you think it\'s a joke is because all portraits are of a white jesus. Why is that? Simple, racism. It\'s a racism that most people don\'t even acknowledge. The foundation of most modern Christainity is based on a white-man\'s viewpoint and this includes a white Jesus. Was it black? Doubtful, more like \'tan skinned\' sort of like an Iraqi.
The problem really is as a culture, we have grown to accept Jesus as a white male. And now, most people can\'t fathom the idea that he may of not been white. It\'s a lot like the crucfixtion hands vs wrists debate. It took along time before people admitted all the portraits, necklaces and so on of Jesus\' crucfixation are inaccurate.
Good lord..this man speaks the truth! i actually stated this in the o.j. thread..but got no response..except.."everything is race with you clips!" :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by clips
uhm what continent was adam & eve created?..and if i\'m not mistaken israel, jerusalem all are a part of africa..
Eden!
And Israel is not a part of Africa.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Eden!
And Israel is not a part of Africa.
could have sworn that chunk of land that separates africa was still part of it. persian gulf separates it. i\'m gonna have to do some research as i could have sworn eden was in africa as well.
ps: the part of the land that has iraq, iran on it..israel is in the upper left corner..thought that was part of africa..not asia...will look into it tho.
*update* went to some site in google and stated that israel was part of south asia..well it didn\'t really state that, but when it showed africa,..it didn\'t show israel being a part of it..so you was right swif! ;) hmm now must look into eden!
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Black/Semi black it\'s all the same there were still "half black" slaves back in the day and my point was it would of been impossible for Jesus to be anything other than white going by your racism logic.
Don\'t argue with me boi.;)
My logic is simple. We has a culture have grown to accept the idea that Jesus was white. Why is that? Due to the fact that modern christainity is based on a pre-dominatly white religious views and religion itself (in a modern sense). Due to this, people cannot get over the idea that Jesus would most likely not have been white (if he did indeed exist - which I won\'t argue).
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lets just call him tanned skin , wich jim cavesiel is !
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Originally posted by SwifDi
And I will say that if you can\'t enjoy a film because it has a few words at the bottom of the screen, that you\'re not even really reading but skimming, then that is ignorant. It\'s not like your just reading a novel, you see the picture, skim the words, and its really not that big of a deal.
But to each his own...
And I would say being a virgin at your age is really pathetic.
But do you see me calling you out no you don\'t. Because thats your choice and who am I to judge you on that.
My choosing to not want to read in a theater is just my choice. It is not that big of deal. I just don\'t wanna do it. And a lot of people don\'t see it as a problem. Hey I just don\'t like it.
It\'s only and movie and not that big of deal to resort to name calling
But like you said to each his own.......
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Don\'t argue with me boi.;)
My logic is simple. We has a culture have grown to accept the idea that Jesus was white. Why is that? Due to the fact that modern christainity is based on a pre-dominatly white religious views and religion itself (in a modern sense). Due to this, people cannot get over the idea that Jesus would most likely not have been white (if he did indeed exist - which I won\'t argue).
He would of not likely to have been white why?...
He probably was super tanned, but that certainly doesn\'t mean he wasn\'t white. How could the supposedly racist bible and people in general ever accept a non white Jesus?
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Originally posted by Jumpman
He would of not likely to have been white why?...
He probably was super tanned, but that certainly doesn\'t mean he wasn\'t white. How could the supposedly racist bible and people in general ever accept a non white Jesus?
to break it down in general..the bible stated jesus feet was like bronze & his hair like wool...doesn\'t sound like anybody white to me does it? Kinda sounds like tyrone or jamil who lives down the street from ya! ;)
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That sounds like a metaphor? :/
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If Jesus was white - then why would he would fled to Egypt once? Not exactly an idea place to hide for a white male, is it? I mean, he would of stood out like a sore thumb, see\'ing as the rest of the population is not white.
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I thought that he did stick out and he like changed Egypt? I thought he wore like a hood, and avoided most people.
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what ?? is this thread finely dead ?
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jesus preached the word of god & god only..he did not want to mix religion with gov\'t which was what some wanted him to do...& was crucified for it..some jews do not believe this story & to this day feel that one of their own will give birth to the son of god..
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Ok so I finally saw this movie.
Now I have mixed reviews. Although the barring of the cross was done exceptionally well I think the rest of the movie lacked substance.
being a former bible thumber this movie seems as it was created bye someone who is not spiritual at all. But I am not knocking him for the effort that he put into it.
There where several parts of this movie I did not like including the flash backs of jesus carpentry days. I just don\'t see how any of that even made it into the movie.
They made him seem like a mad crazy man and less of a savior(IMO) leading up to his death.
I am glad a movie of this nature can be done with great success I just wish they could have done it in it true essence.
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1. Mel Gibson is very spiritual, he created the movie.
2. The part of his carpentry days was brilliant. Not only was it a taste of comic relief, but it actually showed him as a real man.
3. I find it ironic that, as a former \'bible thumper\', you would characterize Jesus as a \'madman\' from him being tortured.
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I think it was very well done. And I\'m glad Mel G is raking in the big bucks on this movie - hah to the studios that wouldn\'t distribute it.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Ok so I finally saw this movie.
Now I have mixed reviews. Although the barring of the cross was done exceptionally well I think the rest of the movie lacked substance.
being a former bible thumber this movie seems as it was created bye someone who is not spiritual at all. But I am not knocking him for the effort that he put into it.
There where several parts of this movie I did not like including the flash backs of jesus carpentry days. I just don\'t see how any of that even made it into the movie.
They made him seem like a mad crazy man and less of a savior(IMO) leading up to his death.
I am glad a movie of this nature can be done with great success I just wish they could have done it in it true essence.
^^^
I\'m with this guy. Yeah Gibson is the one that said that his wife might be going to hell. Yup.
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as usual i\'m waay late with this one..but i finally ended up seein this, and i agree with qdog,...i mean i know mel wanted to show how much jesus suffered, but it seemed like he had some type of facsination with it, i mean while watching this thing i was like sheeit enough already we get the point he was tortured...i mean i heard and read about the brutal beatings, but i thought this movie was going to focus on more than just his torture, like focus on some his great works of faith....when the movie ended i was like that\'s it?....so yeah i kinda agree that this movie could have had more substance to it....
but it also gripped me...the way they tortured him pulled at the ol\' heartstrings a bit, at one point i just wish i could\'ve gone back in time and whooped those perp\'s ass for doin that s**t....but i guess that\'s the effect mel wanted to get from people, well my reaction and countless other reactions...good film i just think the focus on the torture was just a bit much....
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No matter what people say about Mel Gibson, I still think he makes kick-ass movies.
GO MEL
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I watched part of it and fell asleep.
Was a snooze fest.
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to break it down in general..the bible stated jesus feet was like bronze & his hair like wool...doesn\'t sound like anybody white to me does it? Kinda sounds like tyrone or jamil who lives down the street from ya! ;)
He was a Jewish carpenter. And he wasn\'t pale white like the Mormons/Catholics want you to believe (there was actually a Mormon church with a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Jesus...yeah). And he certainly isn\'t what you think he is. He also was very homely looking and wouldn\'t even be recognized as attractive by most people\'s standards.
And damn this thread is old.
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He was a Jewish carpenter. And he wasn\'t pale white like the Mormons/Catholics want you to believe (there was actually a Mormon church with a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Jesus...yeah). And he certainly isn\'t what you think he is. He also was very homely looking and wouldn\'t even be recognized as attractive by most people\'s standards.
And damn this thread is old.
Why are you arguing a topic that\'s like over 2 years old?
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Because clips brought it back from the dead.
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At least it wasn\'t deleted. Clips saved this thread from extinction.
He resurrected Jesus.
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That means Clips is god :eek:
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Some people said He might be black.
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Some people said He might be black.
clips? I know he\'s black ;)
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Some people said He might be black.
He was a bronze-skinned Jew from the Middle East...
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sounds believable to me
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I\'m pretty sure Jesus was Filipino and looked exactly like Ernie Reyes Jr.
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He was definitely Asian.
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I meant clips and God. It was a sassy remark that fit with the context of the discussion. It was very clever.
I\'m going to go read it again because it was so good.
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Hahaha. Eik for the win.
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Hahaha. Eik for the win.
heh heh yea...no doubt..i resisted coming in on the tail end of this thread because the last few posts were so funny...:p...
*ps...i didn\'t know you cats thought so highly of me*....for that kind jesture i will make sure each and every one of you will have the most beautiful afri american virgins waiting for you in heaven...uhm that doesn\'t mean to commit jihad or suicide like that other silly religion,...;)
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The man who acted as Jesus does look like a Middle Eastern/Persian man. By the time Jesus was alive, Egypt was pretty much populated by Greek and Arabic looking people. Hell, the Romans were there too. Cleopatra (decendant of Alexander the Great) was alive about a 70 years before Jesus, give or take a few years.
So yes, Jesus\'s family could easily flee to Egypt without looking out of place.
However, I don\'t think Jesus was black. He defintiely wasn\'t white.
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The man who acted as Jesus does look like a Middle Eastern/Persian man.
THE MAN is Jim Caviezel. Great actor.
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No, I\'m fairly certain Jesus was white.
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Jesus is a figment of your imagination. He can be any color you choose him to be.
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Skittles!
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I think Jesus didn\'t exist. There. I said it.
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I think God didn\'t exist. There. I said it.
fixed... :)
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fixed... :)
If we were on the topic of God, I would have said that. Thilly luckee :gfight: But you can read me like a book. I would have said that too :p