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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: (e) on February 24, 2004, 04:32:09 PM
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Why is Marijuana illegal?
Nothing more, nothing less.
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Because it\'s bad for your health and to the health of others. If MJ was legal people would be driving while getting high and that wouln\'t be too good.
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Somebody is very quickly going to bring up the subject of alcohol and tobacco, and hypocrisy.
For the record, I think tobacco should be illegal too. :)
Prohibition, they tried that but it never works. I think alcoholic beverages are okay since they don\'t disorient those who use them immediately like most illegal drugs do. They also don\'t pollute the air or our lungs, like cigarettes and cigars do. Drunk driving laws should be stricter, though.. and maybe bars should restrict drinking a bit.
Maybe, just maybe.. people should be limited to getting wasted on beer in the privacy of their own homes.
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^^^ Agreed. And if they get drunk in a bar, they should spend the night in their car...:)
I find it stupid that people have to be fined and prosecuted for something that is only protecting their health. But then again the Government has to get money from somewhere. SO BUCKLE UP!!!
Why don\'t people buckle up anyways, it\'s so stupid that people don\'t realize or don\'t want to realize that it\'s for their own protection. Let them kill themselves I say.
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My Libertarian leanings will show a bit here. I think it should be legal. I am not sure about harder drugs, though.
Now I am not a smoker but I do enjoy a fine cigar once in awhile. Don\'t knock it until you try it. Something about a warm summer night and a fine cigar with an adult beverage by my side. Hey I almost sound like Bill Clinton.
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SirMystic you don\'t know shit about marijuana.
There have been ****NO**** documentation that proves that marijuana causes lung cancer.
There are two reasons Spudz: 1) because it just is, and it would look bad if they take back a federal law 2) cities get a lot and I mean A LOT of money from all people getting busted
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Little boy, I\'ve smoked my share of weed before. It\'s funny how pot heads always try to defend MJ like if it was their mother. The only reason you said that " don\'t know shit about marijuana" was to draw attention to the fact that you do it, unless your just lying in order to give a false impression of who you are, and are proud of it. That is exactly the problem with MJ, people do it to be "cool".
Marijuana is TEN TIMES worst than tobacco smoke.
You might be surprised to learn that marijuana contains the same cancer-causing chemicals as tobacco, and at higher concentrations. Smoking five joints a week is the equivalent of smoking an entire pack of cigarettes every day which, even in the short term, leads to lung and respiratory problems-wheezing, frequent chest colds and-yick!-a nasty phlegmmy cough. Long-term use increases the chances of tissue damage and lung cancer, and also causes changes in the brain similar to those caused by long-term use of cocaine and heroin.
It\'s NOT SAFE. It affects your brain you pot head.
The likelihood of a car crash is increased by some of the immediate effects of smoking pot-longer reaction time, poor physical coordination, and impaired concentration. Marijuana also makes you more likely to do something stupid you might regret. Pot-smoking has been linked with risky sexual behaviors that increase the likelihood of sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancies.
And if can cause psychological problems on you.
Smoking dope can lead to anxiety, panic attacks, depression, and paranoia-and those problems don\'t improve over time. And don\'t you know someone who can\'t do anything without getting high? That\'s because they\'re addicted. Sixty percent of teenagers in drug treatment programs are there because of marijuana.
EVERYSINGLE one of my friends get together every friday to get high. Is it good? Maybe. Is it worth it? Why. If you need a drug in order to feel better about yourself that\'s a whole differet problem. So before you try to defend marijuana in a weed head way, think before you type.
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The fact of the matter is that most people that smoke weed are most likely to smoke cigarrettes, that is part of the reason there is no documentation, and the fact that most people won\'t be like yea its all that weed I smoked when they do get cancer.
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so your saying marijuana smoke isnt a carcinogen?
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I don\'t smoke weed but I have b4. cigarrettes kill more ppl than weed ever has. And if alcohol is legal so should MJ.
Don\'t give me all this BS. I have seen some of sickest drunk ppl do the trangest and craziest things. While most pot heads fall asleep when high.
Alcohol has cause all types of abuse. You can\'t say the same for MJ. I am not saying MJ is can\'t but ppl have been known to beat wives, kids, ect.. just from being drunk.
Only real reason weed is not legal is because the government can\'t regulate it. If the they could tax every joint in the U.S. I assure you weed would be legal.
Plain and simple:)
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Wasn\'t marijuana illegal because we didn\'t want competition for the tobacco industry? I heard that somewhere. Not sure if its true. I personally think it should be legal but under HIGH restrictions. Mainly in your home and that\'s it. Can\'t have it while driving or anything else like that. I also don\'t see how its more dangerous than cigarettes. I always assumed it was safer. In cigarettes, you smoke the tobacco leaves, tar, nicotine and some other things. Weed is just leaves (unless you mix). I\'m sure you\'d be just fine if you take it in moderation :)
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Marijuana is TEN TIMES worst than tobacco smoke.
You might be surprised to learn that marijuana contains the same cancer-causing chemicals as tobacco, and at higher concentrations. Smoking five joints a week is the equivalent of smoking an entire pack of cigarettes every day which, even in the short term, leads to lung and respiratory problems-wheezing, frequent chest colds and-yick!-a nasty phlegmmy cough. Long-term use increases the chances of tissue damage and lung cancer, and also causes changes in the brain similar to those caused by long-term use of cocaine and heroin.
Thats anti marijuana propoganda. Comparing a filtered cig to an unfiltered weed cig. If someone did the same test with either an unfiltered cig or filtered weed cig and the results would be TOTALLY different.
Marijuana is the cause of the most arrests under the war on drugs. If they legalize it they would be facing a drastic cut back in funding to the program and the potential release of 10s of thousands of non violent prisoners.
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Thank you Black Samuri!
You should really look at Erowid to get your drug info SirMystic. And you\'re marijuana being 10x worse is just pure 100% bullshit. You really believe that embalming fluid, tar, nicitine, and arsenic is better for you than THC?
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I stand firm on what I believe.
I\'m tired of wannabe pot heads that think legalizing MJ is going to improve society. Legalizing a drug puts alot more people at risk than the one actually using it. For I give a damn let the little pot head get high off his mind and run into traffic.
You\'re defending this issue only because you feel that MJ is doing nothing to you. MJ has been proven as a gateway drug and don\'t bullshit me that it\'s false info because my friends have all tried Cocaine and heroic just to get "a bit more high than with weed" You can puff on that join all you want my friend. I quit that bullshit because I don\'t need a drug to make me feel better and accepted like I felt before. That\'s all MJ is, a door to happiness that closess once the effect runs out. Go ahead keep your weed and I\'ll be sure to send flowers to your funeral. Is it bad? Yes.
And honestly, the drug will NEVER be legalized.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I stand firm on what I believe.
I\'m tired of wannabe pot heads that think legalizing MJ is going to improve society. Legalizing a drug puts alot more people at risk than the one actually using it. For I give a damn let the little pot head get high off his mind and run into traffic.
You\'re defending this issue only because you feel that MJ is doing nothing to you. MJ has been proven as a gateway drug and don\'t bullshit me that it\'s false info because my friends have all tried Cocaine and heroic just to get "a bit more high than with weed" You can puff on that join all you want my friend. I quit that bullshit because I don\'t need a drug to make me feel better and accepted like I felt before. That\'s all MJ is, a door to happiness that closess once the effect runs out. Go ahead keep your weed and I\'ll be sure to send flowers to your funeral. Is it bad? Yes.
And honestly, the drug will NEVER be legalized.
Hell has frozen over! I actually agree with Mystiq on this issue. Good post.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I stand firm on what I believe.
I\'m tired of wannabe pot heads that think legalizing MJ is going to improve society. Legalizing a drug puts alot more people at risk than the one actually using it. For I give a damn let the little pot head get high off his mind and run into traffic.
You\'re defending this issue only because you feel that MJ is doing nothing to you. MJ has been proven as a gateway drug and don\'t bullshit me that it\'s false info because my friends have all tried Cocaine and heroic just to get "a bit more high than with weed" You can puff on that join all you want my friend. I quit that bullshit because I don\'t need a drug to make me feel better and accepted like I felt before. That\'s all MJ is, a door to happiness that closess once the effect runs out. Go ahead keep your weed and I\'ll be sure to send flowers to your funeral. Is it bad? Yes.
And honestly, the drug will NEVER be legalized.
this is true even if taken moderately it affects your judgement or composure in some way..imagine having a smoke on the job. even in small amounts it makes your eyes red,slant whatever..and yes it can give you lung cancer..i know alot of cats that say "weed can\'t kill you..it just helps me relax" i\'ve smoked weed before & i really don\'t like the feeling..i\'d rather have a shot of tequlia & a corona!
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Originally posted by clips
this is true even if taken moderately it affects your judgement or composure in some way..imagine having a smoke on the job. even in small amounts it makes your eyes red,slant whatever..and yes it can give you lung cancer..i know alot of cats that say "weed can\'t kill you..it just helps me relax" i\'ve smoked weed before & i really don\'t like the feeling..i\'d rather have a shot of tequlia & a corona!
Liquor is even worst and it\'s legal. The question is why isn\'t MJ legal.
SirMystiq has said all this bs about MJ but look at liquor can you get any worst and it is legal. And just like drinking on the job is not legal I don\'t think smoking MJ on the job would be.
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Alcohol is legal because they tried banning it and it didn\'t work, and wouldn\'t work now....
The government likes to protect people from themselves, all those laws should be removed though but there are bigger issues right now IMO.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Alcohol is legal because they tried banning it and it didn\'t work, and wouldn\'t work now....
The government likes to protect people from themselves, all those laws should be removed though but there are bigger issues right now IMO.
Not too be funny but I guess it\'s just me but when you post sometimes I think a hamster is really posting:laughing:
I think I look at your pick and imagine a hamster talking.
Now on to subject. The governemt won\'t ban alcohol or cigarrettes because it\'s makes huge profits off them both.
And they can control it. If they legalize weed they won\'t get a dime off all the stash ViVi has growing in his back yard.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Liquor is even worst and it\'s legal. The question is why isn\'t MJ legal.
SirMystiq has said all this bs about MJ but look at liquor can you get any worst and it is legal. And just like drinking on the job is not legal I don\'t think smoking MJ on the job would be.
Weed is bad for your health, just like other legal smoking products. Liquor is proven to be bad for your health also. So let me ask you something, if MJ isn\'t as bad as tobacco, why don\'t you smoke tobacco instead?
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
I stand firm on what I believe.
I\'m tired of wannabe pot heads that think legalizing MJ is going to improve society. Legalizing a drug puts alot more people at risk than the one actually using it. For I give a damn let the little pot head get high off his mind and run into traffic.
Ok, then why are cigarettes and alcohol legal? Neither one has ANY positive benefits. One is an addictive cancer inducing mix of chemicals and the other one is a mind altering physical incapacitant.
Marijuana is a plant. A plant that has PROVEN medical uses and that could be a legitimate textile cash crop. To say that it should be illegal and alcohol/tobacco should not is just hypocrisy.
In most states you would get a longer prison sentence for selling someone a joint than for beating them with a bat. Does that make ANY sense?
BTW, That whole "gateway drug" statement is totally baseless. Other countries that have legalized or decriminalized marijuana have seen drops in hard drug use even though weed use went UP.
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wait wait wait, we\'re comparing three things that are hazardous to your health and the only defense is that one isn\'t as bad to the other?
Maybe that didn\'t come across perfectly... Let me say that again...
...three things that are hazardous to your health and the only defense is that one isn\'t as bad as the other...
Welcome to crazy-world.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Ok, then why are cigarettes and alcohol legal? Neither one has ANY positive benefits. One is an addictive cancer inducing mix of chemicals and the other one is a mind altering physical incapacitant.
Marijuana is a plant. A plant that has PROVEN medical uses and that could be a legitimate textile cash crop. To say that it should be illegal and alcohol/tobacco should not is just hypocrisy.
In most states you would get a longer prison sentence for selling someone a joint than for beating them with a bat. Does that make ANY sense?
BTW, That whole "gateway drug" statement is totally baseless. Other countries that have legalized or decriminalized marijuana have seen drops in hard drug use even though weed use went UP.
How many of the pot heads out there are using it for medical reasons?
Beer comes from a plant.
So do cigarretes...
And you still haven\'t told me why you don\'t smoke cigarretes instead of MJ...I\'ll answer that for you. The "high" feeling. The "high" feeling that can cause you to do some stupid shit and cause deaths to others that had no business with you. The "high" feeling that first attracted to you to MJ in the first place. The "high" feeling you become addited too. Cigarretes and MJ are both addictive, regardless of what you say. The difference is that MJ has more "effects" other than slowly killing you. Alcohol causes people to harm others, but, unlike MJ, the amount of Alcohol you take can be regulated. You can\'t regulate how "high" you get. Just a "bit high" is high enough for people to do stupid shit.
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Alcohol is still worse than weed. Weed wont make you angry, have no balance, or actually die from within hours. Weed makes you laugh, makes food taste better, and music sound cooler.
And if weed is a gateway drug how come I haven\'t even smoked more than one cig in my life?
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The effects that come from smoking MJ are different in every person. Like alcohol intoxication, marijuana intoxication impairs reading comprehension, memory, speech, problem-solving ability and reaction time. Chronic marijuana users are said to develop an "amotivational syndrome" characterized by passivity, decreased motivation and preoccupation with drug taking.
I think you\'re talking about ecstacy...I never understood how people think MJ is for making you happy...Most of the time it only causes you to get deppressed or seem gloomy and quiet.
Technically, a cigarrete is not a drug. It doesn\'t affect the way your brain works. But answering your question, b/c your hooked on MJ.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Technically, a cigarrete is not a drug. It doesn\'t affect the way your brain works. But answering your question, b/c your hooked on MJ.
:laughing: But I thought weed was a gateway drug?
It\'s impossible, you\'ve been brainwashed to think weed is satan in disguise
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Sirmystiq,
Can you list 5 incidences of someone dying by using marijuana.
Can you show me one instance where it has been proven marijuana kills? One where it causes a disease? One they gain cancer?
I can show you millions of alchohol and tobacco deaths, illnesses, and cancers. And yet, these 2 are legal.
The funny thing is that some doctors subscribe marijuana for medicinal purposes. Well not subscribe, but suggest.
I never understood how people think MJ is for making you happy
Maybe you should try it, and then actually think of what it does.
If it made you depressed, and gloomy it wouldnt be quite as high demand.
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Just because doctors PREscribe it doesn\'t mean it can\'t be bad for you and be abused. I mean look at doctors prescribing pills for pain relief, doesn\'t mean they\'re good to take all the time or to abuse, don\'t know what people do that though.
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http://www1.mydr.com.au/?article=3712
I don\'t know whether your defending MJ b/c you think alcohol or MJ should be illegal or you just want to be free to get high. If it came to a decision, ban all three for all I care. And if that happen, what would you do? Would you still bitch about you not being able to turn stupid legally?
Vivi(the MJ expert) has pointed out something. MJ is a gateway drug...TO HARDER DRUGS!! Cigarretes aren\'t "harder" than MJ.
It\'s only "high" in the demand because of the stupid teenage fad that weed is. That\'s all MJ is, a fad. Teenagers smoke it, like it, and become used to it. Not only that but they get it into their heads that it\'s "good" for you. Yes it is recommended by doctors for some medicinal purposes. But let me ask you this again, how many of those people that are in "high" demand of MJ actually use it for that? NONE. MJ is a pure pleasure drug that shouln\'t be allowed. Alcohol can be degraded by adding other things to it. Cigarretes are just bad for you. People don\'t accept it though. So listen, unless you have glaucoma or cancer you shouln\'t be doing it. If you are so inclined on doing it for some reason then go ahead but please do it in a locked room so you don\'t go outside. I\'ve seen people die from MJ related accidents, I\'ve seen people break down b/c of it, I\'ve seen kids being beaten up because they stole it.
I\'ve tried MJ before. It felt pretty...loose. I liked it of course. I was one of those punks running around telling everyone I did it. Not anymore, I\'ve matured...to some extent(I put myself down for you Giga ;))
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Originally posted by (e)
Why is Marijuana illegal?
Because its Fun... hence anything Fun and not controlled by the goverment = illegal
now if that don\'t piss off the right winger in here i don\'t know what will ;).
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Originally posted by Bozco
Just because doctors PREscribe it doesn\'t mean it can\'t be bad for you and be abused. I mean look at doctors prescribing pills for pain relief, doesn\'t mean they\'re good to take all the time or to abuse, don\'t know what people do that though.
exactly doctors also use cocaine for treatments as but we don\'t need to go that route right? too much of anything is bad for you..even too much vitamin C is bad for you. everything has to have an equal balance. Sure you can quit smoking but if you\'re sucking down fried eggs & cheesesteaks everyday then you have to worry about heart disease. i\'ve heard of some stories where people would jog (quit smoking and i\'m not defending smoking..just trying to make a point) everyday stay fit & then drop dead.
everything would be fine with them except they had a poor diet..everything must have equal balance.
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Prohibition of weed is 100x worse than decriminalization.
I just don\'t understand how someone can say the negatives of decriminalization outweigh the positives. Liberal, conservative, it doesn\'t matter this is an issue that would benefit everyone.
How can people not see that?
I don\'t want people to think that I\'m saying weed is completely harmless because it is not. It should be looked at the same way alcohol is. Especially Considering the "fact" that beer is a gateway drink. I know some people that started drinking beer and went on to harder drinks because they wanted to get MORE drunk. Its despicable.
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there\'s no way weed is going to be legalized..the image is not socialbly correct..bare with me here i\'m struggling to find the right words ;) I mean you used to see marboro commercials on tv back in the day..no-more now all you see are those "truth" commercials.
the image of someone getting lifted off a spliff is one that is not accepted by the general public...of course you have the rappers & most young cats glamorizing it,..yet would it look cool to see the pres. smokin\' a nice fat one? would it be cool to see jordan doing it?...nope.
but it is ok to see them with maybe a martini in their hand or some sort of umbrella drink. the general public will see them as "oh they\'re just casually drinking" and thus no negativity will be directed at them..even tho alcohol is bad for you i know..hopefully you get my point here.
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Sounds like a good idea.
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I heard that Hemp was better than Cotton but why?