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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Black Samurai on March 17, 2004, 11:41:32 PM
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So I\'m talking with a classmate today and he tells me that rap sucks, with no exceptions. Positive, underground, gangsta, it doesn\'t matter. He doesn\'t like it because "they can\'t sing and they don\'t play instruments so it shouldn\'t even be considered music".
Now, I respect his opinion but when I told him that there are rappers/rap groups who sing and/or play their own instruments. He still says that they suck.
Now if you say that something is bad, without exception, and give reasons why. Shouldn\'t you reverse your position, at least a little bit, when someone gives you evidence contradicting your reasons?
On a related note, he thinks that singers like Whitney Houston, Kelly Clarkson, etc. suck because even though they can sing they can\'t play an instrument.
BTW, This is one of those guys that doesn\'t own a television and finds it necessary to tell you so whenever possible.
With all that said. What is it about your favorite music that non-fans hate the most?
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With all that said. What is it about your favorite music that non-fans hate the most?
Usually that it\'s not main-stream pop stuff found on the radio on a daily basis.
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um................ok
Well let me say that I just don\'t get hardcore metal. How is yelling into the mic better than not singing into the mic?
On the positive side, I think some hardcore drummers are incredible. I couldn\'t tell you the name of a drummer or a band if my life depended on it but I know that I have heard some CRAZY stuff on the drums.
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Som bands fit screaming into their music very well, and it adds to songs.
I don\'t hate rap, but I\'d consider it more poetry, but it can also be music....
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
um................ok
Well let me say that I just don\'t get hardcore metal. How is yelling into the mic better than not singing into the mic?
On the positive side, I think some hardcore drummers are incredible. I couldn\'t tell you the name of a drummer or a band if my life depended on it but I know that I have heard some CRAZY stuff on the drums.
Depends on the band. Though I prefer progressive metal ala Opeth.
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I used to get made fun of in middle school because I liked the Cranberries.
:(
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Originally posted by SwifDi
I used to get made fun of in middle school because I liked the Cranberries.
:(
OMG! There goes another one to add to my list :)
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I\'m on your list also, early Cranberries is some great stuff, espically \'Everyone else is doing it, so why can\'t we?" - great album.
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If the music has soul there shouldn\'t be any reason to make fun of it. Heavy metal may sound hard on the ears but if the guy is singing (screaming) something that means something to him it will sound good and reach people who can identify.
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Why be bothered by others (negative) opinion on the music you like anyways ? Music taste is irrational. Listen whatever you like. I listen alot of genres, yet it always seems to be different from what \'others\' like, or what the \'mainstream\' like....
If they think my music sux.. whatever !
Here\'s list of my favs ;
Slipknot
Beastie Boys
TLC
Kings of Convenience
RATM
Cypress Hill
Ico (the PS2 game) soundtrack
etc.
Oh.. and btw... I rarely watch television :laughing:
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Slipknot is the main one.
some evanesence songs are good and i get ragged on by a couple friends for it
New metallica. I liked load, and some of reload but it got old fast, and st. anger but i havent listend to it for a while.
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If it\'s rockin\' I like it. Today I was listening to Fleetwood Mac and tommorow I\'ll be listening to Refused and the next day Neil Diamond.
Neil Diamond rocks your socks.
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My favs;
JET
The Strokes
The Vines
The White Stripes
Outkast
Janet Jackson
Madonna
Mariah
Evanescence (Fallen ROCKS)
I love all different kinds of music.
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Evanescence is a joke.
Music I like that people seem to rag on;
Slipknot
Dream Theater
Most Death/Black Metal
NIN
Some Techno stuff I listen to (ITS ALL SYNTHIZED!)
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mine
cradle of filth
mettalica
some korn (new issues cd is wiked)
matchbox 20
silverchair
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RAGE owns everything
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
Slipknot is the main one.
some evanesence songs are good and i get ragged on by a couple friends for it
New metallica. I liked load, and some of reload but it got old fast, and st. anger but i havent listend to it for a while.
I cant believe that you out of all people on this board (except Kimarhi) LIke st. anger. I dont feel that its always kind to bash other\'s musical tastes (unless its some street or oi punk) but compared to most of their other stuff it sux ass.
Anyway. Screaming in metal Im ok with most of the time but recently ive been on an underground hip hop phase. As for what THX said: How can one listen to something that sounds like bullshit just for a good message? There are plenty of people who might have similar views and thats all fine and dandy but good music isnt the product of good lyrics alone.
Meh, other than that, I basically listen to everything genre wise. Of course there are those that say that but dont really listen to almost everything. I know there are some extremely obcure forms of music out there that i dont listen to but the majority of popular (not pop or commercial) i listen to.
Oh yeah. and no Emo/Pop Punk. Cant stomach it for more than 30 seconds.
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i dont really see master of puppets/ ride the lighting/ etc the same as st. anger. I totally agree that the early metallica murders st. anger and its a whole different sound but it still sounds good to me. Being more specific i liked frantic, st anger, dirty window(sick of it now because i killed it), invisibile kid is alright except the whining near the end, shoot me again, and all within my hands.
ps. i have amazon.com up,lol..didnt memorize that crap.
Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Oh yeah. and no Emo/Pop Punk. Cant stomach it for more than 30 seconds.
Definitly
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Heh, I get crap for liking ANY Metallica at my school. You either like pop punk or rap and R&B.
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I\'m an Emo kinda guy:(
The good stuff though.
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The kids at my school think the stuff on MTV is the good stuff :(.
*goes and listens to At the Drive-in*
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Everyone at my school likes rap mostly...and I can count the amount of black people on my hand(not being racist...but where are all the hommies hiding?).
There\'s a bunch of kids who always hang out in the same hallway by some doors who only listen to heavy metal. They ****ing smell bad. Honestly, I have to walk an extra minute to some classes because it smells like urination. There are a select few who listen to Pink Floyd, good music etc.
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Originally posted by Phil
The kids at my school think the stuff on MTV is the good stuff :(.
*goes and listens to At the Drive-in*
Good man.
Check out anything by Braid or Hey Mercedes.
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Pffft... it\'s all about Story of the Year.
Best band today.
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i dunno. i heard them on craig kilborn (sp?) and the vocalist sounds the same as all those other pop punk bands..er whatever theyre labeled since they arent punk.
Just curious to people that listen to metal..Has anyone listened to damageplan? I heard they were awesome; then i heard they were a huge disappointment but Dimebag Darrell\'s sound is still in it and im too lazy to deal with kazaa and i dont want to buy it.
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Wouldnt know but i hate Pantera. Esp. Dimebag Darrell. Meh
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Wouldnt know but i hate Pantera.
Man, if you said that in my household you would get slapped the **** out.
:laughing:
Pantera kicks ass.
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Pantera? Please, someone, get the ear plugs, I can only tolerate so much crap music.
:D
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Yes.
In other news Pantera is down 3% in the gay community to equal a slim .03%, while Tori Amos keeps at the prefered 97% ...
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Originally posted by Phil
The kids at my school think the stuff on MTV is the good stuff :(.
*goes and listens to At the Drive-in*
Hey, shuttup kid. I went to the same school and those people like rap, not this MTV pop. Then again, as the grades get lower it turns into a punk fest. BLAH
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Originally posted by (e)
Man, if you said that in my household you would get slapped the **** out.
:laughing:
Pantera kicks ass.
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Ha. wouldnt want to be im Alaska in the first place. And If you said pantera kicks ass in my house you would get beath the **** down.
Pussies slap... Pantera i for homos. :p your favorite music sux! J/K;)
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If you wish to attempt an insult, joke, or innuendo- please use proper grammar.
Thanks buddy.
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Oh my goodness Spudz, shut the hell up. You\'re not a hardass, and holy hell never speak of grammar again.
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Pantera is from Pantego, really close to where I live. And yes, they kick ass. Pantera is just people who are looking for hard melodies.
Did you just say "oh my goodness" Swifdi? Sounds like someone who would like the Lakers.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Did you just say "oh my goodness" Swifdi? Sounds like someone who would like the Lakers.
Or the 49ers.. :smileysex:
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Or someone who would rather not use his Lord\'s name in vein...
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Originally posted by (e)
If you wish to attempt an insult, joke, or innuendo- please use proper grammar.
Thanks buddy.
No my little buddy, thank you for your reminder on the use of proper grammar and etiquette, because you are just the guru of grammar. :rolleyes: Yes. To make a proper insult, one must use proper grammar...
If i wasnt kidding then id say that was a lame attempt at trying to be "above one\'s rank." You owned me. DOOM! (as they used to say back in the day) ;) touchy touchy
Vivi, did you mean "for people?" Eh, pantera is for people who like what they make. I can think of bands just as hard (if not harder) that i would much rather listen to.
To each his own
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back on topic:
White Zombie
Offspring
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Deadsy
Pink Floyd
My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult (Thats thte bniggest one in my group)
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I got the key the key to gramarcy park...
Pink Floyd rules bitch, no true rocker hates pink floyd.
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Youd be suprised.
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Ya gotta at least respect Pink Floyd if you don\'t like \'em.
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Dont feel like making a whole new thread about this since very few like slipknot but:
Slipknots coming out with their album \'vol. 3: subliminal verses\' may 35th. They have an mp3 up called "pulse of the maggots" at slipknot1.com and its awesome which makes me even more pumped about the album. The sound is different, especially corey\'s vocals but they already said they wanted a new sound. Drums kick @ss as usual and they actually put a guitar solo in,lol.
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Yeah, I heard their song from that motorcross game, Dont Get Close.
I honestly thought it sucked, and it sucked bad.
If this album can top the second one, itll be good. I still think the first was much better overall.
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I really just can\'t stand the way slipknot portrays metal to the mainstream. Every time I talk to someone who doesn\'t know much about metal, they think that\'s what metal is. That\'s really a shame.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Pantera? Please, someone, get the ear plugs, I can only tolerate so much crap music.
:D
This coming from someone that says Opeth is Progressive Metal :laughing: :laughing: Take the word Metal out and substitute something else.
Opeth really sucks ass.
Anyway, if you like Pantera you will definitely like Superjoint Ritual.
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its not dont get close..thats just on a video game and not on the album. the songs called pulse of the maggots and is way better. It probably will take getting used to for some people who like slipknot but i liked it the first time i heard it
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I find it humorous to read all the bands you people claim to be teased about. They are all basically modern rock; the posters here seem to have few interests in other music.
If you listened to a wider breadth of music, I\'m sure you would lose all your narrow minded friends. I enjoy pretty much every musical style in one form or another. You people should listen to
Maynard Ferguson
Charlie Parker
The Mahavishnu Orchestra
Rick Wakeman
George Benson
Bobby Darin
The Ventures
The Raybeats
Muddy Waters
Albert Collins
Little Johnny Taylor
Junior Brown
Tim O\'Brien
Seldom Scene
Chet Atkins
Doc Watson
Värttinä
Sergey Prokofiev
Igor Stravinsky
Etc.... where do I stop?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I really just can\'t stand the way slipknot portrays metal to the mainstream. Every time I talk to someone who doesn\'t know much about metal, they think that\'s what metal is. That\'s really a shame.
eh..i stopped catagorizing metal since theres so many different kinds. Some people dont see Opeth as death metal (in san diego at least) while you do, some people see slipknot as nu-metal and i dont and iv listened to them since 7th grade and so on..so i dont know what genre slipknot falls into, all i know is that its not nu metal since only 2 er so of their songs have rap in them out of the 3 albums..since reporters got to interview and listen to the songs and they said there was no rap in the new album.
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Slipknot=nu-metal...true
Opeth= Progressive Death Metal
And no Giga, Opeth does not suck.
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canu specify what nu-metal is? maybe they are and im not seeing it but i thought nu-metal was rap rock kind of stuff. Is it the guitars? or just because they stand out as a gimic with more members than a usual band and have the masks. Anyone who said they are nu-metal has never specified why..i think people just see them as one of those poser bands because they arent like all the death metal bands out there..which if u only like them then ur a real metal head...seeing as slipknot has maybe one radio-friendly song an album (not sure about the new one)
PS..I already admitted they give metal a bad name to mainstream people..whiich is why i dont like the guitarist because he goes out of his way to sound all anti-religious. And also one of the percussionists because he tries to make them sound like the craziest band to ever exist. And they also admitted the pentagrams were for show.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Slipknot=nu-metal...true
Opeth= Progressive Death Metal
And no Giga, Opeth does not suck.
I have yet to hear a power chord in any Opeth song. Sorry, but they are modern rock - not metal. I guess by giving it a metal label it makes it more "cool" :rolleyes:
I also dare anyone here to say all country music does not suck and mean it. That crap is the worst. If I go to hell that $hit will be piped in 24/7.
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Nobody will ever be able to fully agree on what is what. Sometimes it pisses me off when people try to make so many different sub categories of rock/metal etc. and then bitch at other people for not being able to know them all or who is who. Its as if they are trying to make an excuse to bitch at people and get angry for no good reason.
I can basically tell everything apart and somethings arent even that far apart that it makes me sick to even think about the people who tried to make them different "sub-genres." F***ing pathetic.
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Opeth really sucks ass.
um........... no?
Anyway, if you like Pantera you will definitely like Superjoint Ritual.
um........... they suck.
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I can understand someone not liking Pantera for whatever reason, but they definatly do not suck.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I have yet to hear a power chord in any Opeth song. Sorry, but they are modern rock - not metal. I guess by giving it a metal label it makes it more "cool" :rolleyes:
Um, what exactly have you heard by Opeth? Opeth is definitely metal. I don\'t think they\'re even close to being anything but metal, I don\'t understand how you\'d classify them as something else. I\'d be really curious as to what it is that you\'ve heard of theirs that makes you think they\'re modern rock and not metal. And yes, they do use power chords. They just don\'t overuse them like a lot of bands do.
Oh, and I liked Pantera, and don\'t like Superjoint Ritual :)
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Um, what exactly have you heard by Opeth? Opeth is definitely metal. I don\'t think they\'re even close to being anything but metal, I don\'t understand how you\'d classify them as something else. I\'d be really curious as to what it is that you\'ve heard of theirs that makes you think they\'re modern rock and not metal. And yes, they do use power chords. They just don\'t overuse them like a lot of bands do.
Oh, and I liked Pantera, and don\'t like Superjoint Ritual :)
Blackwater Park - it sucks.
I am not alone in thinking Opeth isn\'t metal.
"I\'m a newcomer to Opeth. About two or three months ago I had never heard the band (but of course I had heard OF them.) Well after resisting for a while I decided to give it a try, and Blackwater Park is my first Opeth album. Opeth is one of those band that\'s pretty much unclassifiable. Reading interviews, I can see that their roots are in Death Metal, but when I listen to this, I hear a lot of other "sounds" that sometimes border between rock and metal, with some classical thrown in and there. There\'s a mix of Death and clean vocals in this as well. Add to this the fact that the songs are in the 6-12 minutes range (except for a small instrumental interlude), with the opening song clocking over 10 minutes, quite unusual. I won\'t go as far as calling this "Opeth Metal", but this band\'s sound sure is unique and I don\'t think anyone will really want to attempt to put them in a specific category. Let\'s just say they\'re Opeth and leave it at that.
While Opeth\'s root may be in Death Metal, Blackwater Park is in no way a "brutal" album - at least not to my ears! I find it pretty relaxing actually (sometimes a little TOO relaxing - hehe.)"
http://www.metalcrypt.com/pages/reviewsframe.php?revid=304
What is with all of these sub genre\'s anyway? It is getting a bit ridiculous. To classify Opeth as metal has to be the biggest joke - shockwaves have you actually heard real metal? By your line of thinking I suppose Coldplay should be classified as some sort of metal as well.
:rolleyes:
Personally shockwaves I don\'t see you liking anything I would consider real metal anyway. ;)
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Blackwater is more progressive.
Want the louder stuff? Check out \'Morning Rise\' and other earlier material. Hell, if you want, check out \'Deliverance\'. Those albums are a lot more metal.
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Exactly. You can\'t classify them by one album. For example, if you heard just Damnation and tried to classify them, you\'d put them in a totally different category than if you heard just Morningrise and tried to classify them. I\'d call them Progressive Death Metal, because they sometimes are more progressive metal, and sometimes more death metal, depending on the song and album.
And what would you consider real metal? Chances are I would like it :) (Unless it\'s Superjoint Ritual :p)
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Old Maiden, Priest, Motorhead, Slayer, Metallica, Cannibal Corpse, Sabbath, AC/DC, etc...
I don\'t only like metal though - I like some classic rock, new wave, old hardcore like Minor Threat, etc...
The only music I really hate is country. I don\'t like rap that much, but old stuff by Public Enemy is ok. ;)
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Barry Manilow!
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Old Maiden, Priest, Motorhead, Slayer, Metallica, Cannibal Corpse, Sabbath, AC/DC, etc...
I don\'t only like metal though - I like some classic rock, new wave, old hardcore like Minor Threat, etc...
The only music I really hate is country. I don\'t like rap that much, but old stuff by Public Enemy is ok. ;)
Well, I like all of that as well. No reason to think I wouldn\'t. In fact, I know I\'ve talked about some of those bands previously on these boards. :)
I just think it is unfair to judge Opeth as you have. The thing about them is that their music is so varied (something that I think just illustrates their talent). Give an album like Morningrise a listen, and tell me if you think that\'s modern rock :). Personally, I would definitely classify Blackwater Park as metal too, but to each his own.
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Hey! I\'m into New Wave as well. :D Tears For Fears being my all time favorite. Then The Cure, U2 (at the time, they were considered part of the New Wave, although they\'ve been around longer than that), Depeche Mode, Berlin
Now, all i listen to is CDs of classic rock and for the radio, some alternative and progressive stuff.
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Some great country guitarists kick ass. To say all country is shit is remarkably short sighted. True, most vocal-oriented country music of the current day is pure excrement. However if you seek out talented country musicians WHO PLAY INSTRUMENTS you will find some of the most awesome and chilling guitar work ever recorded.
Why did rock musicians like Eliot Easton of the Cars and Jimi Page of LZ and Roger McGuinn of The Byrds sneak country guitar sounds into their songs? Because Country is a foundation of Rock, and thus a foundation of Metal. You cannot ignore it. It still kicks ass.
BTW some Bluegrass musicians can kick any metal guitarist\'s ass with their little toe. :)
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Man, country sucks.
Metal guitarists, and some rock guitarists are the real guitarists.
Guitars should be for making music, not something you listen to while porking your sister.
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Originally posted by (e)
Man, country sucks.
Metal guitarists, and some rock guitarists are the real guitarists.
I wouldnt totally say that. There are a lot of blues or folk-ish guitarists who can play damn well. Especially those that play guitars with at least 12 strings. Its kinda crazy really. Even foreign acoustic guitarists can do a lot more than a lot of "metal" guitarists. Joe Satriani and Vai are pretty good. I dont know what you would consider them, but I like Sat\'s music better.
But yeah. Basically rock type guitarists are the best for obvious reasons.
Well with the exception of a lot of people who just like to play fast cords etc. Thats not good, thats just having a fast wrist. Fast soloists are much greater players.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
canu specify what nu-metal is? maybe they are and im not seeing it but i thought nu-metal was rap rock kind of stuff. Is it the guitars? or just because they stand out as a gimic with more members than a usual band and have the masks. Anyone who said they are nu-metal has never specified why..i think people just see them as one of those poser bands because they arent like all the death metal bands out there..which if u only like them then ur a real metal head...seeing as slipknot has maybe one radio-friendly song an album (not sure about the new one)
"Nu-metal is the newest craze to hit mainstream rock radio. Without trying to bash it too much, generally speaking the music structure is very simplistic. Lyrics cover subjects that are close to todays teens (depression, abuse, drugs etc). There are very few guitar solos and the one\'s that are there are typically very simple and short. Vocals can range from the more metal influenced to a fusion of metal and rap. Guitars are often downtuned or drop tuned. This genre is generally not very popular among listeners of other metal music, but it is the newest craze and therefore very promoted and heavily played on the radio. Bands: Slipknot, Mudvayne, System Of A Down, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Linkin Park, Disturbed."
I think that\'s a good description. Taken from MusicianForums.com.
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Originally posted by (e)
Man, country sucks.
Metal guitarists, and some rock guitarists are the real guitarists.
Guitars should be for making music, not something you listen to while porking your sister.
I appreciate Nicon\'s partial support for my statement, but really... to you Spudz and everyone else: If you\'re not a guitar player, you\'re really not qualified to say "rock guitarists are the real guitarists." You don\'t know shit.
Rock guitarists play one lead line at a time. Try playing two or three melodies simultaneously, or a chord structure and a melody simultaneously. Try doing it with your fingers instead of a pick. Try doing it at the SPEED that country and bluegrass musicians do. Most rock and metal guitarists sadly lack the musicianship that is considered basic and fundamental in the Country / Bluegrass / Folk Fingerstyle guitar world. It\'s a fact, and if you listened to some other varieties of music from time to time you would understand very well.
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By rock, I also meant, but forgot to type; blues, jazz, funk, etc.
Country guitarists are just awful.
And Satriani, and Vai are very good. Satriani is better though, imo.
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Country guitarists are "awful" huh?
Maybe someday you\'ll lose all these snobby assumptions you have and become a real musician.
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Originally posted by Luke
Country guitarists are "awful" huh?
Maybe someday you\'ll lose all these snobby assumptions you have and become a real musician.
LOL! Exactly. :laughing:
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I never said that as musicians they were not talented, but todays country music sucks. The especially suck and it pretty much sounds all the same. Believe me I live in the land of "country music" and even the lyrics are almost the identical. The topics of most songs include:
My wife/girl/dog leaving me.
Drinking
Christianity
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While I don\'t like country at all I won\'t say there aren\'t some very damned good country guitarists out there, saying that they all suck is just plain stupid.
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Shania Twain is hotter than any female metal artists/rockers out there...
SO THERE!
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Originally posted by Ashford
Shania Twain is hotter than any female metal artists/rockers out there...
SO THERE!
She\'d be hotter if she got nekkid. So I just proved you wrong. Don\'t deny it. It\'s a fact. :)
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Well, like ViperFujax, I pretty much like all Slipknot\'s material. But I also like alot of VERY different styles of music like Kings of Convenience\'s timid folkmusic.
Anyway, labeling Slipknot as "Nu-metal" is just wrong imo. The way ppl look at Slipknot also depends very much on what kind of genre viewpoint you yourself have.
The song Pulse of the Maggots is very cool imo. I hear alot of influence from Shawn Crahan\'s , To my Surprise in there. The guy is indeed insane, but I think his \'vision\' on how he sees his band\'s music evolve is very good ; alot of Techno, drum n bass in there. Pulse starts with some bomb alarm sample and then Craig\'s ( # 5 )samples ramp it up (crowd noise sample ? ) and immediately after that you can hear Sid\'s ( # 0 ) DJ techno stuff kick in. It reminds me a bit of a power generator reaching hyperspeed. :bounce: Then there\'s also the "Do you understand" in the song and it sounds pure To my Surprise. Me getting the Subliminal Verses album is already much a fact. :thepimp:
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If you don\'t think Slipknot is Nu-Metal, where would you classify them?
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^ I really wouldn\'t know. I just know that these words and descriptions come to mind when you say \'Slipknot\' :
* groovy, funky rythms ; alot becuz of Chris & Joey\'s drumming
*the true 1/4th element of HipHop (NOT RAP) ; DJ Sid\'s scratches.
He\'s great. If you DO put Slipknot into the so called Nu Metal genre (Dj Lethal of Limp Bizkit, Joe Hahn of LP etc. ), then imo Sid\'s the only one getting it right, he tops them all. Totally integral to the layers of Slipknot\'s music, not as some afterthought or gadget element like other bands. Sid\'s also very versatile ; he can do hiphop scratching, drum n bass and jungle ALL equally very well.
* upbeat, uplifting and fun spirit ; ppl say they only bring negativity into the world but their music always brings a happy smile to my face. It\'s indeed like the effect of the song "I\'m walking on sunshine".
* Slipknot\'s lyrics ; ppl dwell on it too much. I like to interprete them the way i like it ; what i get out of that is a ;) and some very fine sunshine in my day.
* The fact that alot off ppl put so much effort into putting them down or mocking them as fake says it all imo.
That\'s also the spirit of this thread imo ; just like the music you like and get your fun out of it. I just enjoy Slipknot very much and I don\'t force others to like it or to listen to it. Thank the inventor of headphones very much
:thepimp:
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I think what you just described is a perfect description of a Nu-Metal band :)
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I thought Nu-Metal was basically rap-metal ala Korn?
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:) Heheh, ok, I think I got a good name for a genre which describes Slipknot ;
"Techno Rock n Roll" :bounce:
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Originally posted by Jumpman
I thought Nu-Metal was basically rap-metal ala Korn?
It\'s not strictly rap-metal. More accurately I\'d call it metal with influences in hip hop or rap, downtuned guitars, and a generally simple music structure.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
:) Heheh, ok, I think I got a good name for a genre which describes Slipknot ;
"Techno Rock n Roll" :bounce:
Thats stupid.
And i wouldnt say all nu-metal takes off from hip hop or rap. there are a few songs from bands like korn that have no elements of either genre yet still come off as nu-metal. Its pretty difficult to explain but for most of us im guessing, it would be easy to spot nu-metal.
Its more like....for the lack of a better term, "pussy metal," in the fact that its bridging on metal but has many softer and radio catchy melodies. There is a lack of growling found in more traditional metal but its not really Pussy-esque, (:laughing: ) but its not as hard as true forms of other metal types.
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i might be mis-inturpreting but are u saying slipknot is pussy metal? They are put down for not singing by people that dont listen to metal and they are called nu-metal by people who like metal and no slipknot. I guarantee there is not a slipknot fan out there that would say they are nu-metal and slipknots singer isnt a pussy (listen to eyeless..too lazy to name more) Just because they have a dj, that means their rap? stupid IMO cuz like knotter said, he fits in the dj perfectly for slipknot\'s sound. Its not like limp bizkits who makes and extra kind of beat and is prominant in the song, making it more derived from rap than slipknot is.
By using the idea that dj means u derive from rap, does that mean that rappers that have used guitars make it derived from rock?
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
i might be mis-inturpreting but are u saying slipknot is pussy metal? They are put down for not singing by people that dont listen to metal and they are called nu-metal by people who like metal and no slipknot. I guarantee there is not a slipknot fan out there that would say they are nu-metal and slipknots singer isnt a pussy (listen to eyeless..too lazy to name more) Just because they have a dj, that means their rap? stupid IMO cuz like knotter said, he fits in the dj perfectly for slipknot\'s sound. Its not like limp bizkits who makes and extra kind of beat and is prominant in the song, making it more derived from rap than slipknot is.
By using the idea that dj means u derive from rap, does that mean that rappers that have used guitars make it derived from rock?
I never called them nu-metal. I said nu-metal is like pussy metal. And yes i agree on the whole rap/rock/metal thing. Although ive heard some freakishly good metal with rap/hip hop derivatives.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
i might be mis-inturpreting but are u saying slipknot is pussy metal? They are put down for not singing by people that dont listen to metal and they are called nu-metal by people who like metal and no slipknot. I guarantee there is not a slipknot fan out there that would say they are nu-metal and slipknots singer isnt a pussy (listen to eyeless..too lazy to name more) Just because they have a dj, that means their rap? stupid IMO cuz like knotter said, he fits in the dj perfectly for slipknot\'s sound. Its not like limp bizkits who makes and extra kind of beat and is prominant in the song, making it more derived from rap than slipknot is.
By using the idea that dj means u derive from rap, does that mean that rappers that have used guitars make it derived from rock?
First of all, Lord Nicon, you\'re right, Nu-Metal can have influences from other areas. I was over generalizing.
Viper: Having a DJ doesn\'t mean they are rap. However, it does point to hip hop influences. I never said they were rap, just that an element of Nu-Metal is sometimes influences from those areas. It doesn\'t mean you derived from rap, just that it had some kind of influence.
And as for the question of whether or not skipknot is pussy metal, it\'s not a question of lyrics or anything, it\'s a question of the composition of the music. Slipknot\'s general sound is pretty symplistic compared to some other metal, which is why it gets that label.
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This is stupid. Going by alot of arguments I see in here, that means Slipknot will never please, nor \'be good enough\' for the
ppl who take an active position to put them down. That is something totally different from ppl who just don\'t care for
Slipknot music.
It\'s polarizing. :o They say they don\'t, but in the end these ppl
categorize, thus polarize ; putting everything in \'genres\'. It HAS to
fit into their way they see it fit. Slipknot is pretty diverse, it doesn\'t fit into their constrained mindset of PURE genres ; that\'s why they\'ll always be put down by those ppl. It\'s like the psychological effect of \'moving targets\' ; no matter how Slipknot evolve ; it will never please those ppl.
It kind of resembles console fanboy wars. The genre purists who put Slipknot down are imo like console f boys. They take one of Slipknot\'s many musical aspects and make an anology based on that, to say Slipknot is like the genre of music they most despise.
It\'s like Shockwaves does ; saying Sid\'s dj work makes Slipknot = Nu Metal. That is wrong. Alot of ppl don\'t even care to listen to the Knot so they don\'t notice the diverse stuff Sid does for the Slipknot sound. These ppl think he only adds the occasional hiphop scratch. LOL. Over time I discovered alot of different sounds he puts in there, which these ppl did not took care to notice. Same with Craig\'s stuff. Alot of Techno, Drum n Bass and Jungle influences ; it certainly makes Slipknot NOT Nu metal.
There are 9 layers in there. These ppl won\'t notice them. They only judge it by their \'purist\' genre thinking, thus totally missing the point.
Besides, the most simplist of ways is to call Slipknot simplistic.
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I don\'t say Slipknot is Nu-Metal based solely on their DJ, I say it based on their overall sound. And metalheads don\'t hate slipknot because of the category they\'re in or because they are constantly changing or anything. It\'s because of their overall sound, how they market themselves to the mainstream, just the way they come off overall in the metal scene. It\'s about the kinds of shows they put on, it\'s about the image they paint for metal to people who don\'t know better, and it\'s about their music, which most metalheads just simply don\'t like. And yes, before you criticize me saying I don\'t know what I\'m talking about, I have listened to a lot of that band, and I have seen them in concert. Also, I never said anything about what having a DJ does for the band, you\'re making assumptions there. I just pointed out that they have one.
And also, having influences in Techno, etc. makes Slipknot more fitting of the Nu-Metal label, not less fitting. Plus, people don\'t judge Slipknot by their genre. A lot of people don\'t even know how to correctly classify bands into genres within metal. But they aren\'t judged by their genre, they are judged by all the factors I listen above that turn metalheads off to them.
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they have 4 guys who can run around at will (dj, vocals, 2 percussionists). Do u want them to just stand there and headbang? hell no thatd be boring. So they do some crazy stuff for the fans. Its like..being somewhere where people dont like you and then being critisized for how you act and being told "nonnono..metal heads only headbang." They want to be different and believe it or not..they are pretty crazy so they most likely enjoy doing weird stuff on stage (and some of the weird stuff you hear are rumors). They dont care about their image to mainstream, and they dont care about looking like freaks to people who dont like metal. Plus in the end, no matter what its all about the money..this is their job, and iv seen very few guys that like slipknot and want to see them live and just be like a normal metal band.
As for their sound its impossible to argue. We have different views on it. I see their stuff as really heavy, some as fast, some softer like wait and bleed and left behind but their still kick ass songs (minding wait and bleed being murdered by people who dont like slipknot except for that song)
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
They dont care about their image to mainstream, and they dont care about looking like freaks to people who dont like metal.
I HIGHLY doubt that they don\'t care about their image.
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yea, i didnt go in depth on that. I just meant that theyve been doing the masks and weird stuff since 1997 (something like that) and they arent changing because of how people view them..but yea they are human so they most likely pay attention to what everyone thinks about them. They made it this far, so all they have to do is laugh in the faces of people who put them down or critisize them.
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:) I didn\'t mean to attack you Shockwaves. I was only trying to put some of my arguments in there on why I like them and why
I do not agree with how alot of ppl try to portray Slipknot as just,
bad.
My own musical history is a \'strange\' one actually. In my childhood my folks played alot of blues and classical, but also other stuff. Muddy Waters, Creedence Clearwater etc.
Highschool years were musically the worst for me I guess,
back in 1991 - 1994. Here in Europe it was either Grunge or
House ; didn\'t really like either of them. Then in 1999/2000
I found Slipknot and I got hooked on it.
Btw, I think Slipknot had the dress up stuff from start in 1995, when Anders Colsefini was still in there. The organized jumpsuits
and masks came in just after MFKR I believe. Not sure though.
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I see...
Im not saying that they are bad by calling them "pussy metal." I was just using the term because it was the first thing that came to mind. That and its a little softer than what many would consider METAL. And despite any of their influences ,or anybody\'s influences for that matter, that doesnt mean that they cant make decent music. Rap/hip hop and rock/metal do not cancel eachother out making crappy music (im just adding that because some people believe that to be true).
I guess it all depends on where your interests or tastes are. And i did say before how i dont like how people try to categorize everything into a million and one genres. Its pretty silly. If i had a band that made a jazz song and say.... the rest of the cd was ful of metal songs, then people might try to lable me as Pussy rock too despite how good we were at making metal. Its all garbage (people categorizing everything).
Meh, i feel like im jabbering on now. Most of you get my point anyway.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
they have 4 guys who can run around at will (dj, vocals, 2 percussionists). Do u want them to just stand there and headbang? hell no thatd be boring. So they do some crazy stuff for the fans. Its like..being somewhere where people dont like you and then being critisized for how you act and being told "nonnono..metal heads only headbang." They want to be different and believe it or not..they are pretty crazy so they most likely enjoy doing weird stuff on stage (and some of the weird stuff you hear are rumors). They dont care about their image to mainstream, and they dont care about looking like freaks to people who dont like metal. Plus in the end, no matter what its all about the money..this is their job, and iv seen very few guys that like slipknot and want to see them live and just be like a normal metal band.
As for their sound its impossible to argue. We have different views on it. I see their stuff as really heavy, some as fast, some softer like wait and bleed and left behind but their still kick ass songs (minding wait and bleed being murdered by people who dont like slipknot except for that song)
Ok, one thing at a time here. I did not say that the fact that they run around and don\'t just headbang has anything to do with the perception of their band, because it doesn\'t. And if you think all metal bands do is headbang, then I\'d guess you prolly haven\'t seen many metal bands. As for adding in other entertaining elements for the fans, there are plenty of metal bands that do that MUCH more so than Slipknot. An example would be Cradle of Filth. So yeah, once again, stop making those assumptions :)
And they don\'t care about their image? Of course they care about their image. The whole masks thing is part of that, it\'s just a gimmick, something to get them noticed. And you\'re right, they are more concerned about money than anything else. That is not true for many metal bands (otherwise why would they ever tour in the US? :p). I don\'t think money should dictate your style.
And as for the musical style, I\'m not saying anything about how good it sounds or how varied it is. That\'s a matter of opinion. I\'m talking about how complex the music actually is. If someone who can play guitar tries to play a slipknot song vs. another metal song, I feel the Slipknot song would probably be a lot easier to play, because they don\'t have many difficult parts to their music.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
:) I didn\'t mean to attack you Shockwaves. I was only trying to put some of my arguments in there on why I like them and why
I do not agree with how alot of ppl try to portray Slipknot as just,
bad.
My own musical history is a \'strange\' one actually. In my childhood my folks played alot of blues and classical, but also other stuff. Muddy Waters, Creedence Clearwater etc.
Highschool years were musically the worst for me I guess,
back in 1991 - 1994. Here in Europe it was either Grunge or
House ; didn\'t really like either of them. Then in 1999/2000
I found Slipknot and I got hooked on it.
Btw, I think Slipknot had the dress up stuff from start in 1995, when Anders Colsefini was still in there. The organized jumpsuits
and masks came in just after MFKR I believe. Not sure though.
:) no problem man. I might have come off like I was pissed when I posted, but I\'m not sure why. I wasn\'t. And hey, it\'s cool if you like Slipknot. I\'m not arguing against anyone\'s taste here. I\'m just trying to explain why I\'d call them Nu-Metal, and trying to explain why most metal heads don\'t like them. If you do, I have no prollem with that. I personally don\'t really have much of a problem with them, truth be told.