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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Avatarr on March 24, 2004, 04:26:13 AM
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Whell good evening everyone. There was this God discussion at another forum and I put together a half decent composition. At least I think so anyway and now I\'ll inflict it on you all :). I hope there aren\'t any rules against posting God threads. It\'d suck if this bit me in the ass 3 seconds later.
[forum specific blah blah cut out]
Anyhoo, here\'s one thing that always bothered me since the start of my Christian indoctrination. The fruit of knowledge was responsible for bringing God\'s judgement on humanity. I know it\'s just a story and it shouldn\'t be taken literally, but the main message I got from this was God doesn\'t want humanity to learn, advance nor expand their horizons.
Now this leads me to a startling conclusion. In the story, Satan said God didn\'t want Eve to eat the fruit because she would become like God and God is extremely jealous. Today we can literally move mountains, hurl really heavy things into the heavens and keep it up there. We can alter the very strands of life as we see fit and today we are very close to "re-creating" life with life forms of our own (AI, Matrixy).
We continue to advance. Even with huge bumps like war, genocide, terrorism and what have you, we still continue to advance. It seems like there\'s no end to how far we can go. It\'s like humanity as a race is on it\'s becoming "God". Meanwhile, the real God has set a condition that if we don\'t submit to him, we\'d be punished for all eternity!
Was Satan right? Am I a Satanic SOB for indulging this trail of thought? :) A little something to scare the Rod and Tod types. ^_^ Hope I get some reactions and that I didn\'t waste my time saying all this.
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thats the 2nd stupidist thing i\'ve ever read
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Originally posted by mm
thats the 2nd stupidist thing i\'ve ever read
The stupidest was.....?
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Yeah, that was pretty stupid.
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Ahm...dont give much attention to the bible.There are too many contrudictions when you comapre what was tought before Christ and was tought by Christ.
An eye for an eye:before Christ
If someone slaps you on the cheek turn your other cheek to be slapped again:After Christ
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Chick?
Violence against women is not cool...
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lol I ment cheek
how embarassing :o
*Unicron edits his post*
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Originally posted by mm
thats the 2nd stupidist thing i\'ve ever read
porraley something form you ^_^
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"I got from this was God doesn\'t want humanity to learn, advance nor expand their horizons."
Hence why we
"We continue to advance. Even with huge bumps like war, genocide, terrorism and what have you, we still continue to advance. It seems like there\'s no end to how far we can go. It\'s like humanity as a race is on it\'s becoming "God". Meanwhile, the real God has set a condition that if we don\'t submit to him, we\'d be punished for all eternity!"
You shouldn\'t take what Satan says literally...hence why he\'s Satan.
Hence bitch hence!
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Once I jumped over this hence and met this girl named hence. So she brought me to her house to hence her. Hence, hence was a whore. So I bragged to my friends that I henced a girl, and they all cheered "HENCE"
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Originally posted by Avatarr
porraley
[size=8]WTF!?[/size]
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parbabley?!
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heh
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how come that picitue isfunny?
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Yes, the catholic church used to call science a tool of the devil and the people who learned it heretics.
You know a guy named Galileo? Well he proclaimed that the sun and not the earth was the center of our universe. The church thought it was ridiculous God would place man anywhere other than the center of it all. Galileo was put under arrest and proclaimed a heretic by the church. Link (http://galileo.imss.firenze.it/museo/b/egalilg.html)
Eventually the Vatican proclaimed anyone who were adversaries of the church as Shaitan\'s...the root word of Satan. Historically Satanists were educated people who stood against the false teachings of the church. The rumors of of satanic black magic, animal sacrifices and the pentagram were lies spread by the church basically as a smear campaign.
Want to know where "Lucifer" came from? I\'m going to tell you anyway.;)
Luciferian Doctrine, or New World Order based on scientific enlightment. (Freemasons, look it up) The church proclaimed Lucifer as a reference to the devil when it was intended as its literal Latin meaning...bringer of light.
Do some digging around and you\'ll also find that it was the church who claimed educated women as witches and burned them.
^There are many examples of this through the history of the church. Basically anything that nullified the church\'s claim as the sole vessel through which man could understand God/Life was bullied into submission.
This is not the case today...not entirely anyway. I won\'t have anything to do with a house built on lies though:)
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Originally posted by Ginko
Yes, the catholic church used to call science a tool of the devil and the people who learned it heretics.
You know a guy named Galileo? Well he proclaimed that the sun and not the earth was the center of our universe. The church thought it was ridiculous God would place man anywhere other than the center of it all. Galileo was put under arrest and proclaimed a heretic by the church. Link (http://galileo.imss.firenze.it/museo/b/egalilg.html)
Eventually the Vatican proclaimed anyone who were adversaries of the church as Shaitan\'s...the root word of Satan. Historically Satanists were educated people who stood against the false teachings of the church. The rumors of of satanic black magic, animal sacrifices and the pentagram were lies spread by the church basically as a smear campaign.
Want to know where "Lucifer" came from? I\'m going to tell you anyway.;)
Luciferian Doctrine, or New World Order based on scientific enlightment. (Freemasons, look it up) The church proclaimed Lucifer as a reference to the devil when it was intended as its literal Latin meaning...bringer of light.
Do some digging around and you\'ll also find that it was the church who claimed educated women as witches and burned them.
^There are many examples of this through the history of the church. Basically anything that nullified the church\'s claim as the sole vessel through which man could understand God/Life was bullied into submission.
This is not the case today...not entirely anyway. I won\'t have anything to do with a house built on lies though:)
And yet today, the Catholic Church has acknowledged Evolution as fact and the Earth is not the center of the Universe. You\'re throwing rocks at people who lived hundreds of years ago.
And JUST ONE MORE THING! War has always helped medicine, engineering and trade advance. Imagine that! The Crusades brought Europe out of the Dark Ages (when the Crusaders stumbled upon mathematical literature from the Greeks and Romans the Muslims held.)
Life is full irony.
BTW....Lucifer is an old Greek name for "Luci" = light "-fer" = messenger or carrier. Therefore, Lucifer = Bringer of Light, the morning star before the Sun rise, or God\'s most favorite angel until he was cast out.
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SAVE ME JEBUS AAAAAAH....
Originally posted by (e)
how come that picitue isfunny?
Because I posted it at one point.
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=32951
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
And yet today, the Catholic Church has acknowledged Evolution as fact and the Earth is not the center of the Universe.
Only because they had to.
BTW....Lucifer is an old Greek name for "Luci" = light "-fer" = messenger or carrier. Therefore, Lucifer = Bringer of Light, the morning star before the Sun rise, or God\'s most favorite angel until he was cast out.
Same meaning in Latin...your point?
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the Catholic Church has acknowledged Evolution as fact
Erm...
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Read paradise lost. It was God\'s plan all along to have the fruit eaton and for jesus to save humanity. Well that\'s one take on it.
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the Catholic Church has acknowledged Evolution as fact
For the first, and most likely the last time, I actually agree with Spudz.
Erm...
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By Stephen Jay Gould
Pius had grudgingly admitted evolution as a legitimate hypothesis that he regarded as only tentatively supported and potentially (as I suspect he hoped) untrue. John Paul, nearly fifty years later, reaffirms the legitimacy of evolution under the NOMA principle--no news here--but then adds that additional data and theory have placed the factuality of evolution beyond reasonable doubt. Sincere Christians must now accept evolution not merely as a plausible possibility but also as an effectively proven fact. In other words, official Catholic opinion on evolution has moved from "say it ain\'t so, but we can deal with it if we have to" (Pius\'s grudging view of 1950) to John Paul\'s entirely welcoming "it has been proven true; we always celebrate nature\'s factuality, and we look forward to interesting discussions of theological implications." I happily endorse this turn of events as gospel--literally "good news." I may represent the magisterium of science, but I welcome the support of a primary leader from the other major magisterium of our complex lives. And I recall the wisdom of King Solomon: "As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country (Prov. 25:25)."
Don\'t know who Stephen Jay Gould is? Well...he\'s quite interesting. http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ He\'s a scientist. Some of you will like what he has to say.
Like I said, Ginko, you\'re stoning to death those that ruled in past and not in the present.
EDIT : oops....forgot to mention which Popes.
The first, from Pope Pius XII in the 1950\'s, and the second from Pope John Paul II in 1996.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Only because they had to.
Same meaning in Latin...your point?
Point is Coz you said
Want to know where "Lucifer" came from? I\'m going to tell you anyway.
Luciferian Doctrine, or New World Order based on scientific enlightment. (Freemasons, look it up) The church proclaimed Lucifer as a reference to the devil when it was intended as its literal Latin meaning...bringer of light.
Coz you\'re trying to convey to the others here that the Catholic Church changed the meaning of Lucifer (bringer of light) to mean the devil. It was actually the Bible, not the Catholic Church. You seem to have a vandetta against the Catholic Church.
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my opinion on bs like this.
God gave me a brain, stiff shit to him because i use it.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Coz you\'re trying to convey to the others here that the Catholic Church changed the meaning of Lucifer (bringer of light) to mean the devil. It was actually the Bible, not the Catholic Church. You seem to have a vandetta against the Catholic Church.
Then I had some misinformation...I don\'t think it changes anything though. Their past is full of lies and slander.
And I\'m not throwing stones, actually I\'m putting less effort in to it and just bringing up some facts...or pointing the finger so to speak.
No vendetta...I just simply won\'t have anything to do with it.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
And JUST ONE MORE THING! War has always helped medicine, engineering and trade advance. Imagine that! The Crusades brought Europe out of the Dark Ages (when the Crusaders stumbled upon mathematical literature from the Greeks and Romans the Muslims held.)
Always? Always is definately not an accurate statement.
Any "advancements" that came from the crusades were from europeans learning science and medicine that had been in practice for hundreds of years.
Another thing, didn\'t the dark ages end a couple of hundred years after the crusades?
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Any chance for someone to argue I LOVE IT. The best thing about religion you can get the most quiet person to argue it if you push hard enough.
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admitted evolution as a legitimate hypothesis
the Catholic Church has acknowledged Evolution as fact
Erm...
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
And JUST ONE MORE THING! War has always helped medicine, engineering and trade advance.
I dl like to hear more on this one since I dont fully agree with
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We go in and kick you asses and in the meantime we are bringing back up to speed with moderen day medicines and technology and once we have establish our troops there we will open up trade with you again....... Seeee ADVANCED
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The more you go into war- the more technologie in that field will develop which in turn can help every day modern life by adaptiong the stuff from it.
Medicines are needed INCASE of a like poisoinos air type like attack shit.
communications , etc.
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Originally posted by Cyrus
We go in and kick you asses and in the meantime we are bringing back up to speed with moderen day medicines and technology and once we have establish our troops there we will open up trade with you again....... Seeee ADVANCED
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by (e)
The more you go into war- the more technologie in that field will develop which in turn can help every day modern life by adaptiong the stuff from it.
Medicines are needed INCASE of a like poisoinos air type like attack shit.
communications , etc.
whats the point then?That medicine wasnt needed before.Its needed later becuase a biological weapon is created,
If war didnt exist this weapons wouldnt have been developed to have the need of a medicine that would counter the smptoms.Pre-existing diseases still are left with no medicine
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Originally posted by Unicron!
whats the point then?That medicine wasnt needed before.Its needed later becuase a biological weapon is created,
If war didnt exist this weapons wouldnt have been developed to have the need of a medicine that would counter the smptoms.Pre-existing diseases still are left with no medicine
Medicines have ALWAYS been needed. The medicines used in war to heal soldiers are applied to civilians in peace time. During the Vietnam War, the trauma clinic was developed and used for accident victims.
When Smithies had to find ways to fine tune their new weapons, they also applied it to farm equipment. Architects who made seige weapons used their experience to help create better machines for heavy lifting in construction. Bridge building was not as prevelant in Europe until after the Crusades.
Airplanes and jet technology was given a boost during WW2. Radar and sonar used to detect enemies was developed and in use to this day for weather, at the airports and the sea ports.
We have this program on The Learning Channel called "From Tactical to Practical" that specializes on this.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Medicines have ALWAYS been needed. The medicines used in war to heal soldiers are applied to civilians in peace time. During the Vietnam War, the trauma clinic was developed and used for accident victims.
Yes I know that medicines have always been needed.But a few medicines werent before, since there wasnt anything to cause certain symptoms and diseases.
This clinic could have been built without the need of war.Thats the problem with every powerful goverment.Always invest on war.But they dont have any motives in peace time.
And the Vietnam War has also caused non-curable deseases to people.
The negative consiquences of many wars are worse than the positive ones.They bring improvement but sometimes but negative consiquences as well if not worse.
When Smithies had to find ways to fine tune their new weapons, they also applied it to farm equipment. Architects who made seige weapons used their experience to help create better machines for heavy lifting in construction. Bridge building was not as prevelant in Europe until after the Crusades
.Airplanes and jet technology was given a boost during WW2. Radar and sonar used to detect enemies was developed and in use to this day for weather, at the airports and the sea ports.
I cant comment for the old age since we dont live in those ages.But since I can comment on the present as I said the governments arent willing to invest huge amount of money during peace directly for the good of the country while this is feasable.They always find motives in war since it means taking over, causing fear to competitive countries, and extending power.So they directly invest to weapons in peace time and indirectly for the good of society.
War just gives the chance to put these weapons into use that cause lots of other disadvandages.It gives motives for investment though.
Cause bad to bring good?At the end there is no point.
There are great amounts of money being invested into weapons.And even if war wont happen to put into use these weapons it doesnt mean that the technology doesnt exist to put into practice without the need of war.
Dont take it wrong.I believe you are right now that I ve read your epicheiremas.But thats because of the immoral and competitive behaviour powerful governments tend to have.
What I want to say is that I believe if that changes, medical and technological improvement can be achived without the need of war which means imrpovement without brutal sacrifices.
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Dude Unicron! just shut the hell up, seriously.
All your anti-war, "Cyrus4lyfe" shit is really, well, :ghey:.
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LETS DO WAR!!!YAY!!! :D
GIVE ME A G3!!!
GOVERNENT SPENDING ON WEAPONS RAISES GDP!!LETS DO IT!!HELL YEAH!!!
Now I am a tough straight guy.I am no longer gay.Gays only are serious for life(Did you know that Hitler was secretely a gay?) :p
G.F Kennedy didnt seem to agree on the Vietnam War thing.Damn!I guess he was probably gay :p
YAY FOR NIXON
sorry....its 4:24 in the morning right now.....and all this sleepiness messes with de brain :nerd:
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Originally posted by (e)
Dude Unicron! just shut the hell up, seriously.
All your anti-war, "Cyrus4lyfe" shit is really, well, :ghey:.
(e) I know your somehow in love with me but I have nothing to do with Unicron he is in CYPRUS not CYRUS..
Oh and btw UniASS it has nothing to do with you being The Ghey the fact of the matter is is that you need mulah to build shit like clinics a provide medicine and doctors and it doesnt happen unless you involve some sort of country that can support your third world little ass. Im so sick of your antiamericanismn crap!
Yes we are are american the big bad americans who have come to take over your country... Oh and in case you didnt notice we actully free\'ed you and allowed you to vote and allowed you to make money. What do you strap c5 to your ass and blow up two soldiers and 30 of your people. Seriuosly we should should leave that part of the world to self destruct but the bigest american flaw is that we always seem to think we can make a difference.
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Originally posted by Cyrus
(e) I know your somehow in love with me but I have nothing to do with Unicron he is in CYPRUS not CYRUS..
Oh and btw UniASS it has nothing to do with you being The Ghey the fact of the matter is is that you need mulah to build shit like clinics a provide medicine and doctors and it doesnt happen unless you involve some sort of country that can support your third world little ass. Im so sick of your antiamericanismn crap!
Yes we are are american the big bad americans who have come to take over your country... Oh and in case you didnt notice we actully free\'ed you and allowed you to vote and allowed you to make money. What do you strap c5 to your ass and blow up two soldiers and 30 of your people. Seriuosly we should should leave that part of the world to self destruct but the bigest american flaw is that we always seem to think we can make a difference.
:rolleyes:
1)What did I say in this thread specifically that shows antiamericanism? :rolleyes:
2)You know nothing about Cyprus\' economy
3)Big bad "Americans" call your government.I dont have anything against the Ame4rican citizens
4)Your government didnt free us.I dont want to go off topic and start talking about the whole "Cyprus problem incident".
Your government is currently opening our "tomb".But ofcourse you dont know what is currently going on regarding the matter.
So please stop jumping to conlusions or talk about things you dont know shit about.If there is one person that insults it is you.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Unicron!
:rolleyes:
1)What did I say in this thread specifically that shows antiamericanism? :rolleyes:
2)You know nothing about Cyprus\' economy
3)Big bad "Americans" call your government.I dont have anything against the Ame4rican citizens
4)Your government didnt free us.I dont want to go off topic and start talking about the whole "Cyprus problem incident".
Your government is currently opening our "tomb".But ofcourse you dont know what is currently going on regarding the matter.
So please stop jumping to conlusions or talk about things you dont know shit about.If there is one person that insults it is you.
:rolleyes:
See the problem is that you dont understand Americans.... WE ARE PROUD yes I dont neccesarily agree with my goverment and what they do BUT ITS MY GOVERNMENT. Sure I dont know everything that is going on and I dont need to there are far more important people and smarter people that are making those decsions AND THEY ARE MY PEOPLE... The reason so many other countries hate us is not because of this or that its because we are AMERICAN. Its hard for you to understand I know what it is like to be AMERICAN but for most of us thats all it takes. We dont need to be brought togheter by religion or some other force its all about PRIDE!! Ask any marine if he likes the president and find the one that hates him and then ask if he would take a bullet to protect him and ill bet the answer would boh ya. We use word like pride and honor and you stand there in your tity whities...... wait wrong movie.....
I have no idea what is going on in Cyprus hell until I started chating on this board i had no freakin idea there was another cyprus that wasnt a tree. Just dont sit there saying blah blah blah you have nothing against americas citizens just our government well thats the point we are one in the same AMERICANS.
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Nice post but I don\'t see how this relates to the topic or even what Unicron! has had to say...
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hmmm... what was the topic again?
Oh ya and to add to my above post.........
Thats why science is not satanic!
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Originally posted by Cyrus
See the problem is that you dont understand Americans.... WE ARE PROUD yes I dont neccesarily agree with my goverment and what they do BUT ITS MY GOVERNMENT. Sure I dont know everything that is going on and I dont need to there are far more important people and smarter people that are making those decsions AND THEY ARE MY PEOPLE...
What the hell?What does that have to do with what I said earlier???And does your givernment define what you are?Even if its all BS?I could have been an American saying the same things about my government,Does this make me anti american?And why do you identify with people just becuase they are from the same nation?
I didnt mention names.As for Kennedy I was being sarcastic becuase he was against war and he got murdered.I didnt mean he was gay.I didnt try to trash America with that post.I was being sarcastic with the whole war idea.
The reason so many other countries hate us is not because of this or that its because we are AMERICAN. Its hard for you to understand I know what it is like to be AMERICAN but for most of us thats all it takes. We dont need to be brought togheter by religion or some other force its all about PRIDE!! Ask any marine if he likes the president and find the one that hates him and then ask if he would take a bullet to protect him and ill bet the answer would boh ya. We use word like pride and honor and you stand there in your tity whities...... wait wrong movie.....
I never said you are being hated becuase you are Americans. :rolleyes: and you are provoking a different discussion with your above statement so I wont comment on that.
Btw:I wonder why did you bring all these up.I asked you to tell me specifically in this thread I said that was anti-american
I have no idea what is going on in Cyprus hell until I started chating on this board i had no freakin idea there was another cyprus that wasnt a tree. Just dont sit there saying blah blah blah you have nothing against americas citizens just our government well thats the point we are one in the same AMERICANS.
Man!!You are reducing your country with what you said becuase its like saying "whatever is labeled American, Americans must identify with it" even if its wrong like masses!!
Its like telling me that whatever wrong actions your government takes, instead of trying to stand against it as a worthy citizen that can stand out as a individual and judge with no bias, you actually accept them and identify with them because its a part of your country.People arent masses.
In democracy its the people that rule not the government.I ll be a happy person when I finally see Americans proove their own individualism than identify.
I praise the citizens of every nation that express their opinion against their goverments when wrong actions are taken instead of accepting them only because its "their" government.
You think I am judging you?trashing you?No!I could have been an American saying the same things trying to make my compatriots stand like individual citizens than follow whatever is being taught, and presented to them.
Just like the way you get offended my own compatriots get offended with me as well.
Perhaps if I was an American I would have been considered a traitor by you.
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Originally posted by Cyrus
We dont need to be brought togheter by religion or some other force its all about PRIDE!! Ask any marine if he likes the president and find the one that hates him and then ask if he would take a bullet to protect him and ill bet the answer would boh ya. We use word like pride and honor and you stand there in your tity whities...... wait wrong movie.....
Pride is excessive belief in one\'s own abilities, that interferes with the individual\'s recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.
^I call them rednecks.
Pride never helps, it only hurts. - "Pulp Fiction"
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Boy Uni you get all huffy like a little girl.....
All you proved is what I said... We disagree with our government constantly as Americans look at the protest marches starting with nam and going right through to "War on Terorismn". Even though we disagree we still stand behind them because we are American. Your kids, Your parents do stupid shit all the time does that mean you should strap a bomb and blow them up?
I can honestly say that me just saying I\'m American means more than you can possible even fathom.
Your quote "Man!!You are reducing your country with what you said "
thats the point, I wasnt, as American its generally belived that one can express an Opionion with out it affecting the opion of everyone, therefore my opinon has no bearing on everyone else belives. Hence it is impossible for me to "reduce my country"
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Originally posted by Cyrus
All you proved is what I said... We disagree with our government constantly as Americans look at the protest marches starting with nam and going right through to "War on Terorismn". Even though we disagree we still stand behind them because we are American. Your kids, Your parents do stupid shit all the time does that mean you should strap a bomb and blow them up
Thanks for prooving me right about you.As for my parents I wont just tell them I disagree.I ll even tell them directly how much dissappointed or even ashamed for them I might be.I would even dispute till they stop doing stuff. And parents are way above any nation or country or government in my "Respect" book list
Every country is trying to convert our believes so we become controlled subconsiously by patriotism, pride and the likes.
I can honestly say that me just saying I\'m American means more than you can possible even fathom.
Stop acting like a nationalistic zealot
Your quote "Man!!You are reducing your country with what you said "
thats the point, I wasnt, as American its generally belived that one can express an Opionion with out it affecting the opion of everyone, therefore my opinon has no bearing on everyone else belives. Hence it is impossible for me to "reduce my country" [/B]
Sorry but you just did.Since people like you are letting things just as they are becuase they have the "American" label.People are made to believe that their opinion is indeed theirs.But is actually controlled from pride, patriotism and the things they were taught since they were kids.And kids cant judge.Their character is formed.If you were adopted by communists from a different nationality when you were a baby you would have approached your country totally differently.
Atleast I ve found Americans that share the same opinion as I and see how much overrated things are presented to them in their own country.
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Uni, I\'m not sure what your point is. Americans are highly critical of what the American Gov\'t does. You will find no other people more opinionated about their gov\'t than Americans. Why? Coz we\'re allowed to.
But your compaints about Americans that are sometimes way off base. That\'s why we bitch at you so much. :) We are not a perfect country. The US is arguably the most powerful and many countries expect a lot from us whenever the crap hits the fan. The thing is, when we do something, it pisses off other countries. So we\'re damned if do and damned if we don\'t.
Anyway....
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Heh.I am not refering to all Americans.But specifically about the huge number of Americasn like Cyrus.And in this forum alone many are offended when I say something about the government.Since they disagree with their government as well whats their problem?
In other forums I dont get this attitude.At the end since only Americans that get offended and disagree participate in the convesrsation and there is no other American that does otherwise I give the impression that thats my ultimate opinion as every American.
The reason why your country pisses off other countries its becuase it takes brutal actions and finds excuses that its for the good.Then other nations start to question the real motives since nothing was done for other occasions that truelly needed help and it was cleartly shown that nothing was done since they were no interests.I wouldnt want to refer to examples becuase that would cause unneeded debates
The last parapgraph in my previous post also counts for my country
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You only hear the BAD news. Nothing about the aid and other humanitarian relief we send. Has Cyprus ever sent the US aid whenever a tornado hit a small town in our Midwest? Never.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
You only hear the BAD news. Nothing about the aid and other humanitarian relief we send. Has Cyprus ever sent the US aid whenever a tornado hit a small town in our Midwest? Never.
How can Cyprus send help?We are talking about a tiny population of less than a million that doesnt have the ability to aid other countries.
Even if your country does aid (I d like to be informed on this more.Not to proove you wrong but to get informed so I can have a more spherical opinion) other countries the brutal actions that your government takes vanishes all the respect that your country might have gotten otherwise.
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Here\'s just two examples.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,106736,00.html
http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/humanitarian_assistance/disaster_assistance/countries/ethiopia/fy2003/Ethiopia_DR_FS17_09-30-2003.pdf
U.S. Government Response
On October 29, 2002, the U.S. Embassy in Addis Ababa declared a disaster in response to the continuing drought situation. Heavy flooding in localized areas from concentrated rains prompted the U.S. Ambassador to Ethiopia Aurelia E. Brazeal to issue a second disaster declaration for floods on May 9, 2003.
On May 9, USAID/OFDA deployed a USAID/DART to enhance the non-food response to the humanitarian crisis in Ethiopia. The USAID/DART continues to conduct field visits in all six of the drought-affected regions and recommend areas requiring humanitarian support.
In FY 2003, USAID/OFDA provided approximately $31.9 million to support emergency water and sanitation, health and nutrition, and agricultural recovery activities in drought-affected areas nationwide.
USAID/OFDA provided approximately $8.5 million to support health and nutrition programs nationwide through implementing partners UNICEF, WFP, Action contre la Faim (ACF), Adventist Development and Relief Agency (ADRA), Concern, GOAL, the International Medical Corps (IMC), Save the Children/USA (SC/USA), and World Vision (WV) to assist more than five million beneficiaries.
USAID/OFDA and USAID/Ethiopia contributed approximately $10.2 million in response to the GFDRE’s
estimated $10 million seed shortfall countrywide. USAID/OFDA provided approximately $6.2 million to its implementing partners CARE, Comitato Internazionale per lo Sviluppo dei Popoli (CISP), Catholic Relief Services (CRS), Food for the Hungry International (FHI), German Agro Action (GAA), Save the Children Fund/United Kingdom (SCF/UK), Oxfam, and WV for emergency seed distributions for approximately 347,790 droughtaffected
households in Afar, Amhara, Oromiya, SNNP, and Somali Regions. USAID/Ethiopia provided $4 million to the GFDRE for the procurement of seeds.
USAID/OFDA provided more than $6.8 million to support water and sanitation programs through the American Red Cross (AmRC), CARE, CISP, Cooperazione Internazionale (COOPI), GAA, the International Rescue Committee (IRC), Merlin, Oxfam, SC/US, and WV that provide potable water for approximately 756,000
beneficiaries in the Afar, Amhara, Oromiya, SNNP, and Tigray Regions.
USAID/OFDA provided approximately $3.15 million to CARE, SCF/UK, WV, and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (EOC) for cash for relief activities for more than 256,000 beneficiaries in Amhara, Oromiya, and SNNP Regions.
USAID/OFDA also provided: $575,175 to UN OCHA and the U.N. Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO) for coordination of humanitarian assistance activities nationwide; $468,102 to Tufts University for animal health projects in Somali Region; $1,728,708 to SC/US and the DPPC for nationwide rapid response projects and distribution of humanitarian assistance commodities; $778,869 to the International Resources Group (IRG) for humanitarian assessments; and $566,982 to USAID/Ethiopia and for administrative support.
In response to the May floods in southern Ethiopia, USAID/OFDA provided $110,000 in assistance through the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) for the purchase of water containers, cooking pots, plastic sheeting, and blankets.
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thanks :)
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I\'m gonna write to congress and tell them to re-think this since you\'re mean to me. :p
29 Feb 2004 17:01:36 GMT
US pledges "generous" aid in event of Cyprus deal
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NICOSIA, Feb 29 (Reuters) - The United States will donate "generously" towards Cyprus\'s reunification costs if an accord is reached between its two sides, a U.S. special envoy said on Sunday.
Greek and Turkish Cypriots are working under a tight United Nations deadline to unite the ethnically-divided island before it joins the European Union on May 1.
"I think you will find that the U.S. will approach it very generously as it has in terms of providing resources to Cyprus for many, many years," said Thomas Weston, the State Department\'s special co-ordinator for Cyprus.
A donor\'s conference for Cyprus is scheduled on April 15, six days before islanders vote on the U.N.\'s proposal for uniting the island under a loose power-sharing federation.
Negotiations between Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopoulos and Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash started in Nicosia on February 19, but neither side has reported tangible progress to date.
Weston is to have separate meetings with the two leaders and U.N. Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs Kieran Prendergast, an old hand on Cyprus, was also expected on the island this week.
The east Mediterranean island was divided in a Turkish invasion in 1974 after a brief Greek-inspired coup.
Without a deal, only the Greek Cypriot south, whose government is internationally recognised, will join the EU. Only Turkey recognises the Turkish Cypriot north.
Some estimates put the cost of reunification at around 16.5 billion pounds ($34.9 billion).
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OH MY LORD! What is the US thinking? Aid to CYPRUS????
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/259992.asp?cp1=1
$250 million? For that piece of rock, we should just buy it for a mere $500! :p
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There is misinformation in the article regarding the current situation of the Cypriot matter btw.Or actually lack of information
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Originally posted by Unicron!
There is misinformation in the article regarding the current situation of the Cypriot matter btw.Or actually lack of information
I checked some other links and the ones FROM Cyprus say almost the same thing.
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Can you give me a link?
Because I ve seen interviews and conversations regarding the Anan plan and the Greek Cyprus government according to the plan must reimburse the Turkish Cypriot site.As for Greek Cypriots they will get their lost proberty in the form of promissory note or security notes that can be redeemed in a decade or 2 and there is a chance that this might not happen even in 20 years.The value of these notes are at the value the proberty were in 1974 not the current worth which is higher.They worth nothing with other words
Which is totally unfair for the Greek Cypriots.The Greek Cypriot government will pay for the Greek Cypriots and for the Turksih Cypriots.Turkey that made the invasion is left out despite that they are the ones that should pay
EDIT:I get the impression that this aid if its true or if thats all the adequacy of the information of that article that it is an effrot to persuade the Greek Cypriots to accept the plan.There seems to be a desperation to make a plan for some "unknown"reason to be accepted in this period of time.
There have been 4 plans already put on the table in a few months that consist of thousand of pages each that need study.But still they wait for an answer in this period of time.The plan needs lots of time to be studied.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
How can Cyprus send help?We are talking about a tiny population of less than a million that doesnt have the ability to aid other countries.
Even if your country does aid (I d like to be informed on this more.Not to proove you wrong but to get informed so I can have a more spherical opinion) other countries the brutal actions that your government takes vanishes all the respect that your country might have gotten otherwise.
How about Saddam\'s brutality towards other nations and Iraqis?
Except he didn\'t provide any aid other than to homicide bomber\'s families...
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Originally posted by Ashford
How about Saddam\'s brutality towards other nations and Iraqis?
Except he didn\'t provide any aid other than to homicide bomber\'s families...
debatable.Thats only a small portion of the catch of the whole story.But lets not start unneeded debates
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(Did you know that Hitler was secretely a gay?)
Uh, thats not proven.
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Neither that he was completely straight :D
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Well....at least I\'ve enlightened Uni a little bit. He\'s still so focused on bashing the US that he\'ll have more bad things to say about us. I still can\'t believe we\'re gonna help Cyprus. What a waste of money! :p
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:laughing:
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Neither that he was completely straight :D
You do realise, by me stating (That was never proven) or whatever, it also covers what you said?
Thank you sir, for making a complete dumbass of yourself. Now if you excuse me, I would like to **** you.
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I just made a sarcastic joke.Mind