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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: THX on April 01, 2004, 02:54:57 AM
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Surprised no one posted it but 9 people: 5 US soldiers and 4 cavilians I think, died in Iraq and bodies dragged through the city streets and mounted on a bridge.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4551230/
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Disgusting.. :mad:
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Not interested in seeing graphic images but all I can say is . . . animals!
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very sad and awful.
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These people hate us so much they think doing this is justifiable. What the hell did we do to piss someone off that much, I really want to know. If anything we should be doing that to those ungreatful bastards.
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They simply hate us for who we are and what we\'ve done to their country. Not everyone sees it as "liberation."
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Originally posted by ViVi
These people hate us so much they think doing this is justifiable. What the hell did we do to piss someone off that much, I really want to know. If anything we should be doing that to those ungreatful bastards.
And we thought we were justified in lobbed bombs into their city in 92 and 03..whats yer point exactly?
Have you not read or heard about US history in the last 50 years? We are bullies and have been. We are arogant. We think better of ourselves, to the point of attempting to force some of our ways and values on other countries. We cant keep our noses out of business that doesnt directly concern us.
got enough reasons yet? Ive got more.
As for topic....killing is one thing. But dragging bodies through streets and hanging them is a bit much. 75% of war is psychological, and this will certainly screw witht he heads of alot of our soldiers unfortunatly.
On the other end of the spectrum..you do know that we ambush them often as well right? Our media just calls it an attack on a key installation or a pocket of resistance.
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*side note* one thing that does piss me off is the fact that the ones dragged through the city werent even soldiers.
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First, I\'m disgusted and outraged by what happened. It was an inhuman action, particularly the desecration of the remains. Now...
Originally posted by luckee
*side note* one thing that does piss me off is the fact that the ones dragged through the city werent even soldiers.
Well, they were not exactly journalists or aid workers. Actually they were ex-military "contractors" employed by Blackwater Security Consulting as contractors to the defense department. According to CNN, they were assigned to "provide security for food deliveries..." Given the tight connections some of these consultants have to the DOD, I wouldn\'t be surprised if they were armed, and possibly even traveling on a mission to complete a military objective. From Blackwater\'s website: "Blackwater Security Consulting has it roots in the Special Operations community ... Our staff has a wealth of exceptional experience worldwide and is renowned for dealing with high-risk situations and complex operations."
My gist is that these were professionals who knew what they were getting in for. Not innocent nuns or doctors.
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would be a great shame if a sudden ebola outbreak was to happen in iraq :rpissed:
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What gets me is the cavilians were just waiting at a traffic light, some assholes with machine guns started to open fire on their car. Then later a couple of grenades were tossed in. Damn savages.
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This is why I seriously think we should just take all those anti-american ragheads, and ****ing shoot them. Right inbetween their shallow, beady little eyes.
****ing sick. ****ing sick.
They could at least show respect, We dont drag their lifeless bodies around, and make a mascarade out of it.
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that makes no sense..regardless of how i feel,..felt about the war..this wasn\'t right on all counts..those people were there to help them!..f**k that that i say bomb that whole town..it seems it wasn\'t just a few people celebrating..it was the whole freakin\' town! they weren\'t even soldiers,..y\'know the u.s. just needs to put that whole country on lock..f**k trying to be nice to everybody & hold strick curfews on the whole damn country..get some type of control THEN hand over power to the iraq\'s
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I think we shouldnt even be over there, but since we are; I think we should totally do what Clips said, have that country on lockdown. I know it is pretty much on "lockdown", but its not good enough.
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Then they\'d hate us even more, and absolutely nothing would be solved.
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Exactly, I say just put more soldiers in there and have routine inspections in houses for weapons. If there are weapons, make an example of what we think of the bodies being mutilated.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
First, I\'m disgusted and outraged by what happened. It was an inhuman action, particularly the desecration of the remains. Now...
Well, they were not exactly journalists or aid workers. Actually they were ex-military "contractors" employed by Blackwater Security Consulting as contractors to the defense department. According to CNN, they were assigned to "provide security for food deliveries..." Given the tight connections some of these consultants have to the DOD, I wouldn\'t be surprised if they were armed, and possibly even traveling on a mission to complete a military objective. From Blackwater\'s website: "Blackwater Security Consulting has it roots in the Special Operations community ... Our staff has a wealth of exceptional experience worldwide and is renowned for dealing with high-risk situations and complex operations."
My gist is that these were professionals who knew what they were getting in for. Not innocent nuns or doctors.
Im almost ashamed to say this, but that makes me feel a "tad" bit better. Not much though as it is still pretty inhumane.
Another thing I thought of.
Its not really all that terrible when a US citizen gets dragged by a car by another US citizen. Yet during these "war" times, it is ab. disgusting. ANyone else see something wrong with that logic?
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This is why I seriously think we should just take all those anti-american ragheads, and ****ing shoot them. Right inbetween their shallow, beady little eyes.
****ing sick. ****ing sick.
They could at least show respect, We dont drag their lifeless bodies around, and make a mascarade out of it.- [e]
While Im not a mod in this forum anymore, show a little ****in tact. Im sure we have indian members in here as well.
f**k that that i say bomb that whole town..it seems it wasn\'t just a few people celebrating..it was the whole freakin\' town! they weren\'t even soldiers,..y\'know the u.s. just needs to put that whole country on lock..f**k trying to be nice to everybody & hold strick curfews on the whole damn country..get some type of control THEN hand over power to the iraq\'s-clips
Funny, I know ppl personally that would celebrate when WE bombed something or tore the main statue of Saddam down. Whats good for the goose is not good for the gander? No, the US just needs to get the **** out of there. Curfews and lock down will only make things much worse ya think?
Exactly, I say just put more soldiers in there and have routine inspections in houses for weapons. If there are weapons, make an example of what we think of the bodies being mutilated.-vivi
Can I come inspect you house for weapons? I didnt think so. And what do you think they are doing by mutilating and celebrating? Trying to make an example as well.
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They lost their privelage when they decided to use a machine gun and grenades. And your statement about the US citizen dragging a body is different, because this was a more than a few people. It was hundreds. And they didn\'t just drag the bodies, they stabbed them and hung them as trophies.
And you understood my post, I want to send them an example that we will not let something like that go.
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Originally posted by luckee
Im almost ashamed to say this, but that makes me feel a "tad" bit better. Not much though as it is still pretty inhumane.
Another thing I thought of.
Its not really all that terrible when a US citizen gets dragged by a car by another US citizen. Yet during these "war" times, it is ab. disgusting. ANyone else see something wrong with that logic?
don\'t get it twisted luckee...i think alot of members feel i already have a low tolerance for racism. what happened in texas to that afri. amer. you\'re referring to was just horrible...and yes those types of scenarios get very little media attention then it\'s off the air. america isn\'t perfect by a long shot..this i know and racism will be here till the end of time..i\'ve touched on this theme in countless threads...go through the files and look up the o.j. thread
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Originally posted by luckee
While Im not a mod in this forum anymore, show a little ****in tact. Im sure we have indian members in here as well.
Funny, I know ppl personally that would celebrate when WE bombed something or tore the main statue of Saddam down. Whats good for the goose is not good for the gander? No, the US just needs to get the **** out of there. Curfews and lock down will only make things much worse ya think?
Can I come inspect you house for weapons? I didnt think so. And what do you think they are doing by mutilating and celebrating? Trying to make an example as well.
1st of all i didn\'t agree with the war..i\'m going with the context of what\'s done is done...now just let the u.s. rebulid they\'re country and get the hell outa there..did i feel the war was wrong?..yep, but since you can\'t turn back time, just let the u.s. do what they gotta do and everybody will be happy. i know there was probably iraq\'s that didn\'t like saddam but was kinda heated when they saw saddams statue come down.
all i\'m sayin is that the iraq people cannot fight city hall (the united states) & win..so just let them do what they gotta do, because the u.s is not leaving until iraq has a legitimate gov\'t and is somewhat secure.
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Luckee is a racist clips, he called me a wetback once.
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Originally posted by ViVi
These people hate us so much they think doing this is justifiable. What the hell did we do to piss someone off that much, I really want to know. If anything we should be doing that to those ungreatful bastards.
Originally posted by (e)
I seriously think we should just take all those anti-american ragheads, and ****ing shoot them. Right inbetween their shallow, beady little eyes.
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Maybe not to that extreme, but yeah, (e), the racism isn\'t needed. These were the actions of a small group of people. Saying that you wanna shoot all the people in Iraq is on the same level. And the racist remarks are not needed. Consider that a warning.
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I just saw this shit for the first time. Yeah, I\'m outraged and blah blah blah. But bottom line is, don\'t these people realize that our great leader isnt exactly one to hesitate to whup ass?
I mean, you know they are gonna get the living hell shot out of them for this. Brig. Gen. Whatshisface pretty much came out on CNN and said the city would be...
"Purified with swift and frightening force"
I mean, those people in that city are screwed, and screwed big time.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Luckee is a racist clips, he called me a wetback once.
Hey dickhead..get it right. I said you were probably white trash once upon a time you dumb SOB. Cant even tell a lie correctly huh?
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**** off luckee I was joking around. You left but came back the same asshole that fights everyone for everything.
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ONly you as you are a young ass that needs a touch of reality.
Ive never liked you so dont act likes its new and out of the blue. You have more to say..PM me as this isnt the place for it nor the topic.
further more....you are the only one I abuse like this except for buddy from vegas..the redhead kid. And its only after one of you say something stupid.
The rest of us grownups might argue, but still have some level of respect for each other.
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(1) Vivi is an idiot.
(2) Yeah, it\'s such a good thing that we liberated them. I mean, they was begging us to come over to their country - wasn\'t they?
;)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
(1) Vivi is an idiot.
(2) Yeah, it\'s such a good thing that we liberated them. I mean, they was begging us to come over to their country - wasn\'t they?
;)
thanks for the 2 brilliant points.
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luckee why draw parallels to what is going on in Iraq to hate crimes over here? You are mixing apples and oranges. Also if didn\'t hear there was outrage when that black man in Texas was dragged to death by some white guys behind their truck.
Seriously, get over "the man has me down" syndrome and America is "racist and a bully" crap. It doesn\'t help your argument one bit. The people who did this are in the Sunni triangle - the home of Saddam Hussein. This has nothing to do with Islam or Arabs - it is about indoctrination and the fact that these same people know they have lost their position of power in Iraq and are desperate to show they still have some form of strength.
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mmm I voted u for mod...
gimme kiss <3
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-01-fallujah-reax_x.htm
Apparently, Fallujah or however it\'s spelled is like considered a backwards ass region even to other Iraqis. And just to point out in bold :
Most Iraqis felt revolted from the desecration of the dead bodies.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
luckee why draw parallels to what is going on in Iraq to hate crimes over here? You are mixing apples and oranges. Also if didn\'t hear there was outrage when that black man in Texas was dragged to death by some white guys behind their truck.
Seriously, get over "the man has me down" syndrome and America is "racist and a bully" crap. It doesn\'t help your argument one bit. The people who did this are in the Sunni triangle - the home of Saddam Hussein. This has nothing to do with Islam or Arabs - it is about indoctrination and the fact that these same people know they have lost their position of power in Iraq and are desperate to show they still have some form of strength.
Try rereading...Im not making parallels between racism and the war...but yet how when our own ppl do this shit in our own home...it is much..much more acceptable...yet now it is simply outrageous. You and the dumbass are the only ones that said anything about black and white and the texas incident which is not the only one that came to mind. but you mentioned that racism issue in it...not me.
now you\'ve wasted space and energy typing about shit i didnt even consider discussing.
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Originally posted by luckee
Try rereading...Im not making parallels between racism and the war...but yet how when our own ppl do this shit in our own home...it is much..much more acceptable...yet now it is simply outrageous. You and the dumbass are the only ones that said anything about black and white and the texas incident which is not the only one that came to mind. but you mentioned that racism issue in it...not me.
now you\'ve wasted space and energy typing about shit i didnt even consider discussing.
Why even bring it up? What was your point? I don\'t even think you know. :rolleyes:
The Texas incident is the most recent so why wouldn\'t it come to mind first? You brought race into this by relating what happened in Iraq this week to a situation where a "US citizen gets dragged by a car by another US citizen" - ie. the Texas incident. Don\'t play dumb luckee - it was veiled and not well at that.
While you are at it, try posting without the excessive profanity - it doesn\'t help get your point across even if you had one.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
While you are at it, try posting without the excessive profanity - it doesn\'t help get your point across even if you had one.
He\'s the ricer thug of the internet. :p
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
He\'s the ricer thug of the internet. :p
:laughing: good one... first time I actually laughed today.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Why even bring it up? What was your point? I don\'t even think you know. :rolleyes:
The Texas incident is the most recent so why wouldn\'t it come to mind first? You brought race into this by relating what happened in Iraq this week to a situation where a "US citizen gets dragged by a car by another US citizen" - ie. the Texas incident. Don\'t play dumb luckee - it was veiled and not well at that.
While you are at it, try posting without the excessive profanity - it doesn\'t help get your point across even if you had one.
So what if that was the most recent? I posted without naming the specific location for a reason....so it doesnt go where your ass is trying to take it.
So keep trying cuz it isnt workin....
The point would be what I have mentioned several times already.
The fact that its not a big deal when they do to us what we already do to each other.
Take care of home first...then worry about others.
PS...I dont say SHIT about the way you post..dont say SHIT about how I post.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
He\'s the ricer thug of the internet. :p
ricer huh?
I\'ll run ANY of my cars against what you might have...ANY..even the ones running on less cylinders...bet I still win. Ricer my ass.
Take this to PM or OT...
You already know this forum is for debate not BS.
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Originally posted by luckee
ricer huh?
I\'ll run ANY of my cars against what you might have...ANY..even the ones running on less cylinders...bet I still win. Ricer my ass.
Take this to PM or OT...
You already know this forum is for debate not BS.
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Oooooh! SCAAARY! :eek:
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Originally posted by luckee
So what if that was the most recent? I posted without naming the specific location for a reason....so it doesnt go where your ass is trying to take it.
So keep trying cuz it isnt workin....
The point would be what I have mentioned several times already.
The fact that its not a big deal when they do to us what we already do to each other.
Take care of home first...then worry about others.
By bringing up the subject of a US citizen being dragged behind car of another US citizen is a veiled reference to hate crimes. Don\'t believe me - just do a google search on the subject.
Only a naive person would not think of "hate crime" when the subject of one US citizen dragging another behind their car.
The amount of ignorance you are showing in this topic amazes me.
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It isnt veiled at all. You act like you dont already know that I speak what is on my mind...so why would I mask this? I would just make a topic no? Have I been gone that long sweetcheeks?
Only someone grasping and not wanting to answer my question would try to change things around.
Please point out the ignorance instead of just throwing the word around.
TY sweetcheeks.
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Originally posted by luckee
It isnt veiled at all. You act like you dont already know that I speak what is on my mind...so why would I mask this? I would just make a topic no? Have I been gone that long sweetcheeks?
Only someone grasping and not wanting to answer my question would try to change things around.
Please point out the ignorance instead of just throwing the word around.
TY sweetcheeks.
Your only responses are insults... pretty pathetic that you have to resort to name calling when you are outgunned intellectually. :rolleyes:
You can\'t even respond to my question as to why you brought it up. People here are outraged when something like that happens here - so your analogy is incorrect - thus your ignorance.
I am done talking to you in this thread. Thanks for ruining it.
PS - To bad you didn\'t stay gone as well.
PPS - I will take your little ricer mobile on any day. Fart can and all.
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hmm....
Where did I insult you? I only called you sweetcheeks.... so try yet again...
I did answer that..you choose to either ignore my reasoning or you dont like my answer so Ill try again. I brought it up to show how intrested we are in a dragging during "war" times vs when all of the inhumane shit that happens at home. You cant say the public looks at it the same b/c simply they do not. everyone else goes back into their shells. we should take care of home first.
Is that clear enough for you yet????
good for you, but you cant put that blame on me.
And you are correct, i probably should have stayed gone..i pondered leaving again last night. Now, however, im here to irritate you and ruin your thing. :D thanks for the info.
Do you really want to do that? Race season and all, I do travel alot and can make this happen. I just need to know what car to bring and what you will be running. None of my cars run slower than 13.2.
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Nah you don\'t irritate me - you have been insulting people on here left and right since you have been back. Seems like you have quite a bit of pent up anger you need to get out. By all means stay here and abuse more members - at least you aren\'t acting it out in real life (as one would assume since you aren\'t in jail).
I am sure I will get the "where have I insulted anyone?" form letter response showing your repetitive nature. That is ok... just read some of your posts and see how confrontational you have been since you have been back. Besides I have better things to do than argue with someone like you - here. Have fun dawg. ;)
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luckee, no offense, but how the hell were you modding this forum at one point, and now you\'re posting like this? Giga is right. Debate is one thing, petty personal attacks are another. Know where to draw the line. Ruining a thread for no reason and turning it into nothing but a personal arguement is not the way to go. You continually said others should take this arguement elsewhere...well next time if you feel that\'s the way to go and you feel the need to say something personal towards someone, YOU keep it to PM\'s too.
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Originally posted by luckee
Is that clear enough for you yet????
good for you, but you cant put that blame on me.
And you are correct, i probably should have stayed gone..i pondered leaving again last night. Now, however, im here to irritate you and ruin your thing. :D thanks for the info.
Do you really want to do that? Race season and all, I do travel alot and can make this happen. I just need to know what car to bring and what you will be running. None of my cars run slower than 13.2.
And you tell me to grow up....
BACK ON TOPIC: People are overreacting to this I think. I heard on a radio talk show that people are wanting to level the city to prove a point. The thought of it sickened me to think that our public wouldn\'t care about the lives that would be lost over one sick act. One caller also said Russia did this to show they had power over the country, I\'m guessing when they were on their communist conquest.
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By rag-heads, I mean the guilty in the city of Fallujah.
Bunch of people filmed it. And we are going to retaliate on that town directly. They are as good as ****ed.
I myself dont think we should even be their. I mean we have our own problems. When we solve those, then maybe we could help others out- that want the help.
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y\'know alot of times when i see events like this happen, i post with my emotions a little amped up. now lookin\' back on it,..yes it\'s real foul what they did to those people..& i still feel the u.s. should send a scud missle with everybody\'s name on the tip of it..but it\'s still a very sticky situation..not all the iraqs feel or felt the way that mob did..and can you imagine going against an angry mob like that?
even if some were against it, some probably joined anyway for the sake of not being beaten or killed. i\'m not tryin\' to make excuses for the actions of some, i just sat back fo a sec and thought about it. still generaly lookin\' at it those people were there to help them..and did not deserve to be so savagely killed.
alot of those people use the muslim faith as a vendetta to use as a force of destruction...i remember seein last week on the news in israel & pakistan the israeli army stopped a 14 yr old with bombs on him..they interviewed the 14 yr old\'s 21 yr old sister who stated that she was proud of him..it\'s just that he was too young to be doin\' it! ..that\'s sheer madness! how can u condone your younger brother doin\' something like that?
this is getting long but i\'ll cut it short by saying the israeli prime minstr. sharone? (spell) is no angel either...he keeps alot of the violence going as well..i think they killed the founder of hamas last week...but that situation will never be resolved. those two countries will never know true peace.
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Hah i think if all the rulers were women none of this would be happening.
*FLAME SUIT ON*
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Your only responses are insults... pretty pathetic that you have to resort to name calling when you are outgunned intellectually. :rolleyes:
Didn\'t read much of the thread but I\'ve seen you use plenty of insults before so save that shit for someone else.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Didn\'t read much of the thread but I\'ve seen you use plenty of insults before so save that shit for someone else.
:rolleyes:
I suppose you are just going to ignore how rude he was in this thread and other threads to everyone he responded to. Good thing you aren\'t a mod.
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I didn\'t read the thread because it was 4:45 AM and frankly with not being a mod I have no reason to, especially when being that out of it. I always go back and read them later.
Also, stop trying to change the topic. You\'re a hypocrite and it\'s rather pathetic.
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Originally posted by Bozco
I didn\'t read the thread because it was 4:45 AM and frankly with not being a mod I have no reason to, especially when being that out of it. I always go back and read them later.
Also, stop trying to change the topic. You\'re a hypocrite and it\'s rather pathetic.
:laughing: :laughing:
Ok little man. Frankly, I don\'t care what you think.
This thread should have remained closed.
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Showing your true ignorant colors.
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Shockwaves reopened the thread and you guys killed it again.
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Yep. Pretty much. Got a PM asking me to, so I figured I\'d give it a chance. No dice.