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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Ashford on April 02, 2004, 10:49:39 PM
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Meet Mary Beth Sweetland...
Who is she?
Mary Beth is like many Americans; a Type A Diabetic...
Like many diabetics, Mary Beth requires medical products to survive...
Medical products developed through animal research...
What does this have to do with PETA and them being full of crap?
Mary Beth Sweetland is the VICE PRESIDENT OF PETA!
What is her response to these facts?
A quote along the lines of "I need to live in order to save the lives of animals" or some crap like that...
Need more proof of PETA being full of it?
Last year (I think), PETA took in 2,000+ animals...
THEY EUTHANIZED ("put to death painlessly" for you less intelligent) 1,300+!!!
2/3 of the animals they "saved" were KILLED!
Now, lets all go have a steak stuffed with chicken and a side order of deep fried bacon and a tuna shake...
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Well shit, I\'m going to go buy 3 cows. Make myself a nice steak supper with one and keep the other two. I\'m a ****ing hero.
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wayy off topic..thx ash for takin\' care of that thread for me.
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Anyone fancy a Mcdonald\'s? :D
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If I werent a vegetarian if there was a burger I wouldnt eat it would be from McDonalds.
Give me Hardees!!That were some tasty shit!Bigger burgers too.:)
Now bakc to topic:
Those PETA should start acting logically!!They are stupid.They arent even honest with their own selves.
Lets see what would the PETA Vice President have done if one of her relatives needed these medical products in order to live
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By the way, I got this info from Penn & Teller\'s show, BullSh*t, on Showtime...
Great show...
Check it out...
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I knew about the diabetic chick from PETA but didn\'t know about the euthenasia. But yeah, they are whackos and that is why they are my #1 hated organization.
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Nobody should feel guilty and make any compromises for them, because they\'re riding a snowball.
If we give in to some of their demands, they\'ll demand even more. Give a mouse a cookie.. *nods*
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I don\'t really care for PETA.
But I\'m big on animal rights. Damn you people that think that killing animals for entertainment is the only way to amuse your sorry, low-life selfs.
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And just who here advocated killing animals for entertainment?
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Nobody... but since it\'s been brought up I must say nothing is cooler than a bullfight.
I saw many when I visited my family (mom\'s side) in La Linea, Spain, next to Gibraltar, and bullfighting was such an awesome experience. The culture, history, and glory of it all, really makes it that way.
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I\'m talking about those damn people that decided that hunting is a form of entertainment. Just yesterday my girlfriend\'s friends were talking about how they are going hunting this summer and how one of them wants to kill a baby deer to keep it\'s sking. It was sickening. Also those people that mistreat their pets. They should all burn in hell.
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I am with SirMystiq.
Btw:If I remember well some people in here expressed some cat disliking...I hope none of you people hurt a cat
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Well, I\'m not sure of my opinion on hunting for sport. I mean, if you\'re going to eat the deer or use it for something useful, like a fur coat, then I feel that it\'s okay.
If you\'re just out to shoot a mammal and forget about it, try paintball..
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There are tons of food outhere and there are tons of clothes too.You dont need the deer
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*grabs rifle*
Anybody up for deer jerky?
Jesus Unicron! you act as if the other food you eat isn\'t being slaughtered. I\'m with blade. If the deer is used the what\'s the harm? It\'s no different than going and buying a hamburger. Only instead of personally killing the animal, you\'re paying someone else to do it.
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Originally posted by Phil
*grabs rifle*
Anybody up for deer jerky?
Jesus Unicron! you act as if the other food you eat isn\'t being slaughtered. I\'m with blade. If the deer is used the what\'s the harm? It\'s no different than going and buying a hamburger. Only instead of personally killing the animal, you\'re paying someone else to do it.
Why slaughter specifically a deer?It wont reduce the number of animals that are being slaughtered to make you a burger or other producst you get in the market.The animals that are being kept in cells and cages are there for a reason.The food in the fridges are there for a reason.
People tend to hunt and use the animal as an excuse to hunt.
edit:Btw:The deer isnt mass produced to serve our needs.Unlike the other animals we eat
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If deer are endangered or close to it, then it should be illegal to hunt them.
Otherwise, IMO, it\'s fair game considering all of the other animals we use. Why should deer be exempt?
If you kill a deer and intend to eat it, I don\'t see the issue here.
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Hunt them till they become an endagered species just like what happened with the Cyprus deer.It serves no need to hunt it.There are tons of other ways to get food or clothes.Why hunt the deer down?What need does it satisfy since you can eat so many other animals that are being mass produced for the same purpose?
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You know there are laws in place so that deer don\'t become endangered right?
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Originally posted by Blade
If deer are endangered or close to it, then it should be illegal to hunt them.
Otherwise, IMO, it\'s fair game considering all of the other animals we use. Why should deer be exempt?
If you kill a deer and intend to eat it, I don\'t see the issue here.
Ok, do you eat the deer? Do you use it\'s skin as a coat? Truth is most hunters don\'t. They keep the skin or deer head a "trophy" of their triumph of murdering an animal. You can pretty much eat anything but does that mean we should go out and hunt them?
If deer is such a good food, why don\'t they sell "deer" burgers?
Fact is hunting is nothing more than recreation, unless you have an animalistic hunger for deer meat they shouln\'t be killed for something as stupid as entertainment.
I love chicken and hamburgers but I\'ve looked up on how they are raised and eated and it\'s pretty disgusting what those animals have to go through.
I think it is sickening and low-life when people use their pets as rags. People that fight them. People that kick them because they are just "animals". People who feel that animals are inferior to us because they are "just animals" If a human needs to harm another creature in order to feel superior, or have a sense of self-worth, that human has some problems and just maybe the animal is themselves.
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:rolleyes:
I know you are liberal but man, lay off. I think PETA is getting to you. There hasn\'t been a time in human history in which we didn\'t hunt. It\'s part of our history of survival. Hell some people could easily argue that it helps retrace ourselves back to our very human essence. It\'s not a superiority issue. Unless of course you have some past history with this that you would like to discuss that could bring light into what you are talking about.
Besides, I welcome hunters who actually help the wild by curbing overpopulation. You did know they do that right? Where did you get the fact that most hunters don\'t use the skins or eat the meat? You have support for that statement right? Get serious when you actually have facts as to why you support what you believe in. All you\'ve stated are observations of your girlfriend\'s retarded friends.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Nobody... but since it\'s been brought up I must say nothing is cooler than a bullfight.
I saw many when I visited my family (mom\'s side) in La Linea, Spain, next to Gibraltar, and bullfighting was such an awesome experience. The culture, history, and glory of it all, really makes it that way.
don\'t they actually kill the bull in bullfights?
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Yes. That is after they stab it four or five times with "pinchitos". Oh, and thats not counting the times the bullfighter screws up and accidentally stabs it to high on the neck, in which they pull the sword back out, and try again.
Such an awesome sport.
And before my arrogance gets to you, let me remind you that this is similiar to another form of hunting where the animal gets a good shot at taking out his hunter... Many bulls have killed the bullfighters, or at least injured them severely.
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Originally posted by Phil
You know there are laws in place so that deer don\'t become endangered right?
I wouldnt base any hopes on law.The law comes to the scene when its too late as usual.
The law doesnt do much for the amazon either and lots of animals get extinct every year.That alone tells me that the law doesnt care as much.
Even if you are right, we as humans should be as less greedy as we can instead of calming ourselves with excuses and kill animals to serve luxury needs and prestige.
We tend to find excuses (like the law doesnt say anything against it) instead of judging ourselves whats right or wrong.If the law didnt give a damn about hunting control I bet the whole forest would have been full of hunters spreading death since they would have calmed the consiousness down with the excuse that "the law sais nothing about it".
Means of survival have changed.Factories, production, markets etc exist for a reason.This is a world of economy which has to do with "satisfying the masses with the limited resources that we have".We dont need to hunt to survive.And individual hunting is no part of the economy.And neither satisfies a need you cant satisfy otherwise other than the sense of luxury.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Yes. That is after they stab it four or five times with "pinchitos". Oh, and thats not counting the times the bullfighter screws up and accidentally stabs it to high on the neck, in which they pull the sword back out, and try again.
Such an awesome sport.
And before my arrogance gets to you, let me remind you that this is similiar to another form of hunting where the animal gets a good shot at taking out his hunter... Many bulls have killed the bullfighters, or at least injured them severely.
Thats inhumane
Next time I d like to see helpless humans without any form of defense in a coliseum filled with hungry lions.And only the lions would get a medical treatment.That would be f*cking awesome as well.Why not?Sounds as fair as bullfighting.
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or strap horns on the bull fighter.
In something that is a sport, how can it be that one side wins 99% of the time? I figure even it out so that it\'s 50/50.
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Bah.The human most of the times win.And he survives most of the times unlik the bull that has to suffer a slow painfull death
I wonder what happens to the bull even if the human happens to lose now that I think of it.
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Originally posted by Phil
:rolleyes:
I know you are liberal but man, lay off. I think PETA is getting to you. There hasn\'t been a time in human history in which we didn\'t hunt. It\'s part of our history of survival. Hell some people could easily argue that it helps retrace ourselves back to our very human essence. It\'s not a superiority issue. Unless of course you have some past history with this that you would like to discuss that could bring light into what you are talking about.
Besides, I welcome hunters who actually help the wild by curbing overpopulation. You did know they do that right? Where did you get the fact that most hunters don\'t use the skins or eat the meat? You have support for that statement right? Get serious when you actually have facts as to why you support what you believe in. All you\'ve stated are observations of your girlfriend\'s retarded friends.
That is all history. We don\'t "hunt for survival" anymore. We hunt for "sport". Killing an animal is a "sport" Do we really need to kill animals for "sport" in order to survive. I think that is is a superiority issue. If it wasn\'t, then what do you have to proof by killing a deer or another animal? What do you have to proof by showing off how you shot the animal in the head four times? What is the purpose of hunting for sport?
I never argued about hunting for survival. As animals, we humans do have those insticts to hunt, but tell me this, how many people actually rely on hunting in order to survive?
I think that knowing a bunch of hunters and knowing what they do with the dead deer, in fact one of them has over 14 deer heads and skins. I couln\'t find any stats on things like that. But I know from personal experience. And you know what they do with the meat? They don\'t know either, all they know is that they take it to some guy to skin the animal. It\'s all personal experience so you can take it or leave it. But now that you want so much proof, tell me how many hunters actually eat the meat or hunt for a coat in order to survive? Or is it just to say "look I killed it"
"Curbing overpopulation?" Well, that means that it\'s ok to kill each other in order to stop humans from over population. Let\'s go hunt some Japanese to stop them from over populating. What gives us the right to say "alright you all have enough species in the earth, we\'re going to have to kill some of you off" Nothing.
Bullfighting is also disgusting. I really don\'t see the "sport" part of killing a bull so viciously in order to feed our inner violence. Like the Omen said, let it be 50/50. You can\'t argue that "bullfighters die" because they had the decision to do what they do. There is never a "loser" but the bull.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Thats inhumane
Next time I d like to see helpless humans without any form of defense in a coliseum filled with hungry lions.And only the lions would get a medical treatment.That would be f*cking awesome as well.Why not?Sounds as fair as bullfighting.
Humans > Animals.
Let me dish out another perspective; a bull can either live its miserable life in some damp stable, and then butchered and fed to fat Americans as Happy Meals... or it can be bred to be a strong and fierce beast and die in glory!
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"Humans > Animals"
Superiority issues anyone?
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Humans > Animals.
Let me dish out another perspective; a bull can either live its miserable life in some damp stable, and then butchered and fed to fat Americans as Happy Meals... or it can be bred to be a strong and fierce beast and die in glory!
do people actually eat bull meat? i know we eat cows..female bull if i may add but i didn\'t think people ate bull meat..if they do i\'ve never heard of of it..but i have heard of something called buffalo something..i think it was actually buffalo balls or something to that degree that people actually ate.
as far as the sport of bullfighting i don\'t see the excitement of poking an animal to death then glorify over it like you\'re the man. people seem to think the animals overpopulate..nope people are the ones that move into they\'re territory..(buliding condos, houses etc) and then wonder why you have lions tigers & bears "oh my" in your backyard..theses animals have no where else to go.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Humans > Animals.
Let me dish out another perspective; a bull can either live its miserable life in some damp stable, and then butchered and fed to fat Americans as Happy Meals... or it can be bred to be a strong and fierce beast and die in glory!
I wouldnt want to start talking about cognitive science.
But anyways.What do you think makes humans superior enough to have the right to do whatever they want with other creatures\' lives? :rolleyes:
And animals dont care about glory.They want to live.They want to survive.And I dont think an animal wouold have loved teh aspect of becoming "a firce beast" and die a slowly and painfully
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Originally posted by Unicron!
And animals dont care about glory.They want to live.
Unlike burn victims. :)
EDIT: By the way Unicron, that\'s pretty GHEY when you edit your post to change the meaning. LEAVE IT AS IS.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Unlike burn victims. :)
:laughing: right on target
Ok.Lets see.Would you agree if they offered euthanasia to a suffering animal?
edit: My English arent very good.Thats why I edit.
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Originally posted by clips
do people actually eat bull meat? i know we eat cows..female bull if i may add but i didn\'t think people ate bull meat..if they do i\'ve never heard of of it..but i have heard of something called buffalo something..i think it was actually buffalo balls or something to that degree that people actually ate.
as far as the sport of bullfighting i don\'t see the excitement of poking an animal to death then glorify over it like you\'re the man.
* Yes, the bull\'s carcass is not wasted. You can eat bull meat. And if the bull did a good job, they\'ll cut off his head and it will go in a museum. I\'ve seen these museum\'s, very cool.
*Believe me, it is a thrilling experience. It\'s not just "poking" a bull... There is music, rhythm, precision, and art. Keep in mind that there are other shows where bulls do not die.... I remember they had this horse who was so awesome, it came out, and would actually taunt the bull and juke him out like a football player and run around, very neat.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
"Humans > Animals"
Superiority issues anyone?
We\'re greater than animals. I will gladly argue with anybody who thinks animals should have equal or even greater rights than humans. That\'s just absurd.
Originally posted by Unicron!
But anyways.What do you think makes humans superior enough to have the right to do whatever they want with other creatures\' lives? :rolleyes:
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Because we\'re smarter than they are and we have always had dominion over them since our existence. It is from the nature of our being and because of my religious stance (and lets not head down there).
And animals dont care about glory.They want to live.They want to survive.And I dont think an animal wouold have loved teh aspect of becoming "a firce beast" and die a slowly and painfully [/B]
Animals don\'t know what is best for them; believe me if they knew what glory was, it wouldn\'t be ending up in a paper bag next to a plastic wind-up toy.
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I have never felt more conservative in my life than after reading this thread.
Stop being such pansies and go shoot something.
Hippies.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Because we\'re smarter than they are and we have always had dominion over them since our existence. It is from the nature of our being and because of my religious stance (and lets not head down there).
Smarter?
You mean just "the ability ro process more complicated information"?
That doesnt make you any different than an animal.
As for religion that comes to contradiction to your beliefs if you are an Orthodox or a Catholic.
Animals don\'t know what is best for them; believe me if they knew what glory was, it wouldn\'t be ending up in a paper bag next to a plastic wind-up toy. [/B]
What should an animal do with glory?Glory is just a dellusion to satisfy our egos
Do you know whats best for an animal?Is torturing it or killing it without needing to the best thing for an animal?
We humans treat to animals according to what\'s "best" for us like for our materialistic needs and complexes.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Smarter?
You mean just "the ability ro process more complicated information"?
That doesnt make you any different than an animal.
As for religion that comes to contradiction to your beliefs if you are an Orthodox or a Catholic.
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It\'s survival of the fittest, we need animals, animals need us. Unfortunately for them, because we are more intelligent, we get the upper hand in that deal. And it is by no way a contradiction if I am a Catholic (which I am not, I\'m Christian, although the differences are very small). In the Bible we\'ve always had clear dominion over animals, and they are like instruments to us. If you\'re referring to the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill" it is only if an animal is killed in vain.
What should an animal do with glory?Glory is just a dellusion to satisfy our egos
Do you know whats best for an animal?Is torturing it or killing it without needing to the best thing for an animal?
We humans treat to animals according to what\'s "best" for us like for our materialistic needs and complexes.
Exactly, thats what animals are here for, our materialistic needs. That could be entertainment, food, or companionship. Thats how the world turns.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Smarter?
You mean just "the ability ro(sic) process more complicated information"?
That doesnt make you any different than an animal.
ummmm.....I think that is EXACTLY what makes us different than an animal.
If you think the equivalent of only knowing left/right is the same as knowing 360 degrees of motion in 180 degrees of 3-dimensional movement; then yes, you are no smarter than a cow.
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These threads always make me want to eat a fat-juicy steak.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
If you\'re referring to the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill" it is only if an animal is killed in vain.
WTF?! Are you reading the Gospel according to PETA?
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
ummmm.....I think that is EXACTLY what makes us different than an animal.
If you think the equivalent of only knowing left/right is the same as knowing 360 degrees of motion in 180 degrees of 3-dimensional movement; then yes, you are no smarter than a cow.
Well then.If the chimp was the smartest being on the planet all other less intelligent beings would have been considered animals except from the chimp.
What you just described is a more intelligent animal.Yeap thats us
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Originally posted by SwifDi
It\'s survival of the fittest, we need animals, animals need us. Unfortunately for them, because we are more intelligent, we get the upper hand in that deal. And it is by no way a contradiction if I am a Catholic (which I am not, I\'m Christian, although the differences are very small). In the Bible we\'ve always had clear dominion over animals, and they are like instruments to us. If you\'re referring to the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill" it is only if an animal is killed in vain.
We already have the upper hand with animals that are being used to feed us.Torturing and killing more than necessary shows only our weakness to want MORE and MORE and MORE.We act as an intelligent animal.
Dominion over animals on the bible it may be.But that time the conenction between human and animal was differemt.Humanity offered to animals, animals offered to humans.Both survived with the help of the other.It was mutual gain.Now man acts as an arogant being with materialistic weaknesses.Man thanked God for what was offered to him and showed respect to hes creations.Now you just want more than necessary.You dont find enough what is offered to you and there is no respect to other existences.
Exactly, thats what animals are here for, our materialistic needs. That could be entertainment, food, or companionship. Thats how the world turns.
I didnt try to convince you not to eat animals.
And materialistic need is a human weakness if the need goes beyond the necessary in life.
And thats where religion comes to contradiction with your beliefs.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Well then.If the chimp was the smartest being on the planet all other less intelligent beings would have been considered animals except from the chimp.
What you just described is a more intelligent animal.Yeap thats us
.................................how do I respond to that?
I think you might want to erase that post, think about what you are trying to say and repost it in an hour or ten. If need be confer with your pet goldfish to get a fair and unbiased expert opinion.
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You cant respond to that since you dont have arguments. :rolleyes:
Nice irony.Served you well.
edit:Just to avoid misundrstandings.When I said "thats us" I didnt mean "thats us, the chimps" but "thats us, the more intelligent animal"
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
WTF?! Are you reading the Gospel according to PETA?
No dude, thats what it says.
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For arguments sake, what exactly would I be arguing against?
[EDIT]Irony?
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Let me see.I say that we are like animals.Only more intelligent.
You say we are different than animals.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
No dude, thats what it says.
It says, "Thou shalt not kill - Exodus 20:13".
It doesn\'t say anything about not killing animals in vain. In fact in Genesis 1:26 it says "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
Come on man. Your supposed to be the bible thumper. You should know these things.
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No, I understand it\'s main purpose in instructing people to not kill one another... I was using it as a defense if Unicron was stating how in the bible it says to not kill in general.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Let me see.I say that we are like animals.Only more intelligent.
You say we are different than animals.
I see what you are saying and you kind of took it out of context.
New Statement:
I think that is EXACTLY what makes us different than EVERY OTHER animal.
Is that better?
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Ahm.I didnt mean not kill animals at all.
I ment not to kill beyond the necessary.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
I see what you are saying and you kind of took it out of context.
New Statement:
Is that better?
hehe.Yep.Thats better.But still doesnt give us unlimited rights over animals.
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The only thing we can\'t do to animals is have sex with them or perform acts of cruel or unusual punishment.
EDIT: To come to think of it, there are plenty of laws out there protecting animal\'s rights. And rightfully so, I agree with all of them.
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You like bullfighting though.Thats cruel :p
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Originally posted by Unicron!
And materialistic need is a human weakness if the need goes beyond the necessary in life.
d00d....seriously preach elsewhere as you sit here and POST this "materialistic need is a human weakness if the need goes beyond the necessary in life" as you sit behind a COMPUTER SCREEN on the INTERNET
Really necessary huh?
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Originally posted by luckee
d00d....seriously preach elsewhere as you sit here and POST this "materialistic need is a human weakness if the need goes beyond the necessary in life" as you sit behind a COMPUTER SCREEN on the INTERNET
Really necessary huh?
Atleast I accept my weaknesses instead of trying to convince others that my actions that result from them are right.
Ofcourse as I like conversations and communicating with others I would have appreciated it if you could tell me your opinion on why is it wrong to exchange ideas with people from a distance using these medium.
Also I d like to hear why my statement infuriates you.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Atleast I accept my weaknesses instead of trying to convince others that my actions that result from them are right.
Ofcourse as I like conversations and communicating with others I would have appreciated it if you could tell me your opinion on why is it wrong to exchange ideas with people from a distance using these medium.
Also I d like to hear why my statement infuriates you.
Who are you to say what is right and wrong? Ever live in an URBAN area where deer are actually a problem? One of my mom\'s neighbors kids was attacked by a deer in their backyard. In some areas animals are seriously a big nuisance and killing them is the way to go. Not everyone has big money to deter animals, but a rifle can be had for $230 and ammo is cheap.
You liking to comm. with ppl and it being a necessity for you to do it via the net are two different things. Thats also another story in itself, I just brought it up for comparison purposes.
Who ever said your statement "infuritated" me? It didnt even make me mad. I just wanted to point out some irony in your necessity statement.
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Originally posted by luckee
Who are you to say what is right and wrong? Ever live in an URBAN area where deer are actually a problem? One of my mom\'s neighbors kids was attacked by a deer in their backyard. In some areas animals are seriously a big nuisance and killing them is the way to go. Not everyone has big money to deter animals, but a rifle can be had for $230 and ammo is cheap.
You liking to comm. with ppl and it being a necessity for you to do it via the net are two different things. Thats also another story in itself, I just brought it up for comparison purposes.
Who ever said your statement "infuritated" me? It didnt even make me mad. I just wanted to point out some irony in your necessity statement.
Oh you brought up a different matter here.Similar to the one in Cyprus.My father is from one of the villages were the cyprus deer that is an endangered species comes and destroys some of the agriculture.
This have nothing to do with killing animals for sport and without any particular need.You are talking about protection.Its a means of survival.So that changes the whole direction of the conversation.
Unless if I judge from experience that some people use that event as an excuse to kill to cover it up with faked motivations.
I would have been a hypocrite if:
1) I accepted that I have the right do whatever I want and agreed that animals should be killed whenever I like to.
2) I said that I am perfect with no weaknesses
3)I accepted that its in our nature to be greedy so no one can deny my nature
I couldnt have communicated with people outside my country with such ease and cheaply without the help of the internet.And neither the chance to discuss such subjects.
Ofcourse if you want me to be fair I admit that I use the internet for other unneeded purposes becuase I have weaknesses as well.But atleast the use of it doesnt take anything from someone else(unlike killing animals for enterteinment).And neither I am finding an excuse to make it look like as if its not a weakness.
It would have been ironic if I insisted on others weaknesses and acted as if I dont have any.You think I am puting labels on people.No.Actually I am doing self-criticism at the same time.
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I think i should have read more of the thread.
For the record tho, I dont see a problem with hunting for sport whether the carcass is used for something or not.
Survival of the fittest.
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Originally posted by luckee
I think i should have read more of the thread.
For the record tho, I dont see a problem with hunting for sport whether the carcass is used for something or not.
Survival of the fittest.
LOL you should indeed read more of the thread.The same arguements have been disgussed already
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I\'m gonna hunt down a Unicorn and eat it. Although there is some rumor about a dislexic species that are called UnicRon. There\'s also a hidious looking animal called SirMystic. It\'s been known to attack human babies and scare women with its stench.
I will hunt them both down.....and eat them.....and poop them out.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
"Curbing overpopulation?" Well, that means that it\'s ok to kill each other in order to stop humans from over population. Let\'s go hunt some Japanese to stop them from over populating. What gives us the right to say "alright you all have enough species in the earth, we\'re going to have to kill some of you off" Nothing.
Ok, first of all your analogy is wrong. Unless of course the Japanese are their own species now. Secondly, if you don\'t stop the overpopulation of one animal then it will cause a disturbance in the whole system and create major problems. You have to look at the whole picture. Unless of course you don\'t care about the whole picture as long as you save that poor deer\'s life. It\'s worth it isn\'t? I mean that deer could find the cure for cancer or create world peace.
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*Unicron panics, warns SirMystic and run together to PETA to ask for help.PETA uses a biological weapon that kills every human being only.Then gets bored of feeding Unicron and SirMystic and uses euthanasia on them* :D
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Originally posted by Phil
Ok, first of all your analogy is wrong. Unless of course the Japanese are their own species now. Secondly, if you don\'t stop the overpopulation of one animal then it will cause a disturbance in the whole system and create major problems. You have to look at the whole picture. Unless of course you don\'t care about the whole picture as long as you save that poor deer\'s life. It\'s worth it isn\'t? I mean that deer could find the cure for cancer or create world peace.
I see an overpopulation of humans thats for sure.
*Unicron! gets his G3 and starts killing people*
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This is why I argue with Sirmystic and not you :rolleyes:
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You talk about animal overpopulation and thats an excuse to why some humans kill some animals.What about humans?We talk about an overpopulation of bilions
btw:Its the chinese that have the biggest population
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You didn\'t say that in your first post. You gave a smartass remark with no actual arguement to back yourself up. Oh, and who mentioned what nation had the largest population?
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I velieved that you would have gotten the point from the previous post
LOL about the last part with the chinese.I confused SirMystics quote with your statement.
Specifically this part:
Let\'s go hunt some Japanese to stop them from over populating.
and did a conenction with this part
Unless of course the Japanese are their own species now
Sorry.That was a misunderstanding
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Originally posted by Unicron!
You talk about animal overpopulation and thats an excuse to why some humans kill some animals.What about humans?We talk about an overpopulation of bilions
Theirs no reasoning with a mad man. For one to put animals and humans on the same level is just physco.
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PETA just needs to get its focus back to saving animals from Rodeos, Bullfights, and other harmful entertainments. But animal used in medical research and the food industry should be left alone.
Hunters, as long as they eat their prey, that\'s fine too. The money spent for hunting licenses go to the preservation of parks and reservations.
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The funny thing is PETA will never stop bullfighting. In Spain, probably in Mexico too, it is a national sport.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Theirs no reasoning with a mad man. For one to put animals and humans on the same level is just physco.
It would be illogical to start killing your own species but we dont give a damn about human ovberpopulation.There is no control and its selfish to believe its ok with humans that spread liek a virus and cause all kinds of damages to the planet while small numbers of animals are to be considered overpopulation because they might cause a few losses to our proberties.
Animals are being reduced in population greatly and humans increase their population greatly.There is no balance
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Animals are being reduced in population greatly and humans increase their population greatly.
But why do you care?
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Why shouldnt I?At the end future generations will suffer the consiquences.
Its ironic that you used examples from the bible yet you and I dont act like mhuman that follow the princibles of God but mostly adjust to the princibles of society which is based on the same problem only now evolved that humanity used to face thousands of years ago.How to satisfy our needs.Thats the only think that we seem to care about.We dont care about the consiquences.We arent Gods.We cant do whatever we want.The planet is dying, animals become extinct and nobody cares.We have no morals, no caring.
The biggest forest in the world which is you know it ofcourse since its in your country is reduced greatly.Animals get extinct and trees are burnt or cut so we the overpopulation of humans can satisfy our needs.At the end we will get an overpopulation of humasn that wont have enough resources.Also the reduction of trees means increase of Carbon Dioxide reduction of oxygen and I wouldnt want to analyze more the consiquences.You can guess them
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Babelfish?
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Babelfish?
I COUGHT A SPAMMER I CAUGHT A SPAMMER!!QUICK BAN HIMBEFORE HE GETS AWAY!!
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People of God love steak.
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lol :laughing:
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MAN BITES LOBSTER
SUSHI SAMBA on Park Ave. South in midtown is the latest New York restaurant to import the practice of eating live lobster. Called "Whole Live Lobster Sashimi," the dish involves bringing the lobster to the table, splitting it down the middle and eating it as it dies, a process that lasts about 20 minutes.
Local animal rights activists are calling for a ban on the practice, but we have a better idea: Take off the rubber bands and make it a fair fight. If the customer can get the limbs off the critter without losing a finger, then it\'s Whole Live Lobster Sashimi on the house. If he can\'t, then the lobster gets to die humanely the old-fashioned way—stuffed into a boiling pot of water.
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Haha... stupid lobsters.
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Damn I don\'t come around a while and three pages just pile up...
It\'s our intelligence that separates is from other species of animals. I agree. But, our intelligence should allow us to make wise choices and knowing what to expect, what is necessary and what should be stopped. We aren\'t superior to anything. Sure we are superior to a dog, we can run them over. To a cow, we can shoot them. To a deer, we can hunt them. But for what reason? Isn\'t a major part of our intelligence reason?
Whether or not a deer can find a "cure for cancer" or "world peace" is irrelevant. How good are we at stopping wars? I guess we\'re pretty good considering that we have seen the destruction and death that they cause. That\'s why we are in one now. "Cure for cancer" Most of our medicine comes from living organisms themselves that attack the illness. Whether they are "alive" in technical terms or not we need them to survive. And what do we do? Do we in any way ever try to live together with them? Peace and harmony among what? Us humans?
Have any of you ever seen a dodo bird? I wonder why. "Survival of the fittest" is a lame excuse for us to carry out our animalistic insticts onto another creature without the worry of a bad conscience. That\'s the reason people hunt, for the "thrill of the kill" Sounds pretty animal to me.
We all live on one planet. Animals, they live their live, they live the "circle of life" on their own way. Humans, we live our lives, we adapt everything around us to our lives and we try to change the "circle of life" Is it any good for us? No. Isn\'t that the reason why we are losing much of our rainforest...which we need to survive? Isn\'t that the reason why our ozone layer is crippled and ironically we are killing it when it\'s the very thing that keeps us alive? Nobody cares. We choose to live our life by the day. Thinking that our superiority to other creatures is reason enough for us to take advantage of it. Why don\'t you go try catching a thunderbolt to see who is more superior then?
I couln\'t give two shits about religious beliefs. In fact, that is what dragged me away from that mess. I know that if God put us here to "reign over the animals" he must have meant to live with them. Not to kill them for your selfish purpose. God is "created in our image" I\'m pretty sure God doesn\'t kill his own creation for fun. I don\'t see anything wrong about killing an animal for food or other issues that will help us survive. I just don\'t see the point of pointless killing that goes on every day and how as intelligent as we are don\'t accept that is morally and above that naturally wrong. NO animal kills for leisure. If the Bible does send that kind of message upon the people, well that sucks doesn\'t it. But I\'m pretty sure that the rest of the non-Christian world has something to say about it. It\'s not about religious or spiritual beliefs, is about knowing what is best and what is right. And as long as we keep evading the truth, our intelligence is worth nothing.
Superiority doesn\'t exist. It only exist in our minds. Do animals kill each other for superioriority. Yes. But that\'s withing their own "people", like how we wipe each other out for superiority. They use their superiority for survival, we use it sometimes. I just hope that my kid\'s kid\'s can see what a deer looks like alive and don\'t have to visit a "cool" museum in order to see them.
It\'s not whether they feel. It\'s not whether they can think. It\'s not whether we are superior. It\'s whether they can suffer.
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Clarify one thing for me. Are humans wrong for acting superior to animals and killing them or for acting like animals and.....um...killing them?
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Humans are full of hypocrisy. We claim that we are above animals yet we kill like animals. But the difference is, we do it for no reason, and that in my eyes is more animalistic than anything else.
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Humans are more intelligent than other animals but we are STILL animals.
Are we superior? That is arguable. We live the same lives governed by instinct as every other creature. However, our intelligence/technology tends to make our lives unnecessarily complicated.
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I asked the previous question what makes humasn different than animals on purpose.
Intentionally I didnt give my whole opinion on the matter to see how the discussion would evolve.
Its not intelligence that makes human different.Its the mind.As long as we use only the brain and not the mind we are nothing but selfish animals.
If we used the mind we would have had a different view of things but because we only use intelligence (just the brain) we are nothing but animals nor better nor more worthy than other animals that respond accordingly to the enviroment and information we perceive around us.
With other words we dont have the right to decide how other existences should live like since we behave only as intelligent animals.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I asked the previous question what makes humasn different than animals on purpose.
Intentionally I didnt give my whole opinion on the matter to see how the discussion would evolve.
Its not intelligence that makes human different.Its the mind.As long as we use only the brain and not the mind we are nothing but selfish animals.
If we used the mind we would have had a different view of things but because we only use intelligence (just the brain) we are nothing but animals nor better nor more worthy than other animals that respond accordingly to the enviroment and information we perceive around us.
With other words we dont have the right to decide how other existences should live like since we behave only as intelligent animals.
Unic, we eat meat. Nothing you can say or do will change that. We do not want to be like you and you don\'t want to be a meat eater. End of discussion.
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I didnt try to convince anyone not to eat meat mind.
edit:If you notice the discussion was about setting a limit to our greedy desires.Eat whatever meat you want.Just dont proceed to needless actions.Set a limit to the greed
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I didnt try to convince anyone not to eat meat mind.
edit:If you notice the discussion was about setting a limit to our greedy desires.Eat whatever meat you want.Just dont proceed to needless actions.Set a limit to the greed
The way you respond to us, you make it seem like we\'re puppy killing meat eaters. All this morals over animal rights....it\'s old stuff we\'ve covered before.
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If you read again I was refering to specific and needless actions.
Perhaps you didnt follow the thread closely.
This subject was discussed before but I dont think the same arguements have been brought up in the discussion of the subject before.
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I don\'t need to read it all "again". This thread started with PETA being full of crap. And there\'s no argument about that.
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LOL!!
True.And I agreed on that.But the discussion took a different direction in the process