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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: square_marker on April 03, 2004, 04:08:22 PM
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caution (http://www.tyrelewer.com/drunk-drivers.html)
Be prepared for some crazy stuff.
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jesus! that\'s just..horrible...that guy that did that to her must never be able to forgive himself..truly sad... If you can\'t handle your liquor you shouldn\'t be driving period! now she\'s like that for the rest of her life.
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What a coincidence.This was posted before a long time ago and I was thinking about it today.
You know what?Sometimes we are selfish.They should have let her die isntead.Relatives might say that they couldnt let her die becuase they love her and that they did ot for her own good.But they did it for theirsleves actually.Thats a selfish act.Relatives cant accept the loss of someone they love.And that person must suffer the consiquences for the rest of her life.
Her parents are also quilty :mad:
As for that who was responsible for the car accident must be living a living hell from the guilt.It would have been less painful for him if she was dead as well for the victim if her relatives didnt keep her alive!Whats the point of her existance?Living in a hospital like this?Not being able to do anything?
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Originally posted by clips
If you can\'t handle your liquor you shouldn\'t be driving period!
It\'s not a matter of trying to use your own judgement to see how much liquor you can handle (if your drinking your judgement is dicked anyways), it\'s simply: If you are going to drink, don\'t drive.
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That link really is disheartening. I literally was shocked and surprised at that. Its hard to believe that had happened to such a beautiful girl and that she lived through that.
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Jesus christ....:(
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I wonder if her parents won anything at court
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Originally posted by Unicron!
You know what?Sometimes we are selfish.They should have let her die isntead.
You are insane. Just because someone is horribly disfigured doesn\'t mean they cannot enjoy life in ways that we take for granted. "They should have let her die..." Damn I hope you are not in charge of the hospital when they bring me in some day.
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if your drinking your judgement is dicked anyways
You know, its proven that alchohol in moderation can be healthy for you?
Its a horrible thing when something like this happens. But people who drink, arent automatically bad.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
You are insane. Just because someone is horribly disfigured doesn\'t mean they cannot enjoy life in ways that we take for granted. "They should have let her die..." Damn I hope you are not in charge of the hospital when they bring me in some day.
How can she enjoy life??
How would you enjoy life if you were like her?You wll wish for death
She is not just disfigured!!She has health problems.She cant see well.She cant get out.Some of her senses are damaged.She cant have anyone to love her except her parents.She cant do anything!She cant even see herself in the mirror.She is most surely under some medical treatment so she wouldnt get insane.
She was forced to live.Dont you get it?She was probably almost dead when she was recovered from the flames
If they bring you in some day and I happen to be in charge and you are in the same condition I ll make sure they euthanaisize you thats for sure
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I guess you\'re a "glass half empty" kind of person. :rolleyes:
The fact is you don\'t know for sure that all the stuff you just posted is true. Even if it is, you must acknowledge that she is probably still in the early stages of her recovery. Just because life is hell for her now does not mean that she cannot reach a point of normalcy in 5, 10 or 15 years when she will no longer "wish for death." You can\'t assume that all difficult medical cases can never recover. Thank god the respected medical community on our planet does not feel as you do.
As for the rest of it... You say she can have no hope because she looks terrible and no one can love her. Fuck that. There are many people in the world in that same position, and they survive and even thrive against all odds. Many of them succeed in living a meaningful life in spite of the hatred of the ignorant masses.
If you don\'t feel you have the inner strength to overcome a challenge such as this, I\'ll make a note to murder you in the ER. However, you do not have my authorization to murder me. Better yet, I\'ll just leave it up to you to take your own life if you choose to, as it should be.
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This guy should never have the chance to ever get behind the wheel of a car EVER!!!!!!
I hope he did some type of jail time for his stupid act of judgement.
I agree with Uni shit life is ****ing hard enough. If I was in the condition kill me. I would have no reason for life. I would surely spend the rest of my life in tears and hating the world.
Nobody should be forced to live out life that way.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
I guess you\'re a "glass half empty" kind of person. :rolleyes:
The fact is you don\'t know for sure that all the stuff you just posted is true. Even if it is, you must acknowledge that she is probably still in the early stages of her recovery. Just because life is hell for her now does not mean that she cannot reach a point of normalcy in 5, 10 or 15 years when she will no longer "wish for death." You can\'t assume that all difficult medical cases can never recover. Thank god the respected medical community on our planet does not feel as you do.
Man!!She has suffered from a high degree burn.Its incurable.She has had over 40 operations and look how she still is.There will be almost no improvement even if a century passes.
There are many people that suffer from psychological problems because of an event.They are under specific medical care to get rid of depression or tendencies of suicide but there are times when depression and other mental problems appear again.And we are talking about people that they are no where as bad as her.
As for the rest of it... You say she can have no hope because she looks terrible and no one can love her. Fuck that. There are many people in the world in that same position, and they survive and even thrive against all odds. Many of them succeed in living a meaningful life in spite of the hatred of the ignorant masses.
How many do you know?Do you know a person that is the same case as her that has managed to move forward?
She cant do anything.Ger health isnt letting her.Her appearamce isnt letting her.She cant get out.Not just becuase of her looks.But she mustn even be exposed to sun.
And these people that managed to move forward most of them still suffered from depression.They dont want to show it.They dont want to be pitied.
If you don\'t feel you have the inner strength to overcome a challenge such as this, I\'ll make a note to murder you in the ER. However, you do not have my authorization to murder me. Better yet, I\'ll just leave it up to you to take your own life if you choose to, as it should be. [/B]
You talk becuase you have never been in their position.Sounds easier but its unimaginable hard to overcome such a "challenge"
She was supposed to be dead.Its almost as if she was raised back from the dead and forced to live
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You\'re just stating the obvious. Don\'t repeat the stuff we already know. Argue your position if you can.
The fact is: You, the parents, the doctors, NO ONE has the right to decide she should die. Let her make that choice herself if she wishes.
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Unicron! just likes arguing for attention.
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Originally posted by (e)
You know, its proven that alchohol in moderation can be healthy for you?
Yeah, an occasional glass of red wine with dinner at the most.
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omg thats so bad, i really dont think there should be a maximum amount of units you can drive on, there should just be no driving after you have been drinking, people handle it differnetly
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This has been updated a bit since the last time it was posted. She has now lost an eye, (the one without the eyelid). Just shows that there should be a zero tolorance on drink driving, if you are cought with any alcohol in your system you should face an instant ban.
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http://www.helpjacqui.com/
There\'s a video of her up. She looks pretty healthy and her voice is still strong. Seems a cornea tranplant has heped her to see again with her left eye as well.
Have you guys seen Vanilla Sky? I wonder if that happened to me if I would ever freeze myself in hopes of future technology being able to restore me back to normal...
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Strange that you mention it,
I seen her on the Show Oprah a few days ago and was very sad on what happen to her.
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See? She\'s strong, healthy, and she was on Oprah. Not to mention she\'s probably helped to reduce drunk driving.
None of that would have been possible if you\'d murdered her, Unicron. :p
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Originally posted by Coredweller
See? She\'s strong, healthy, and she was on Oprah. Not to mention she\'s probably helped to reduce drunk driving.
None of that would have been possible if you\'d murdered her, Unicron. :p
You call that healthy?
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Originally posted by Unicron!
You call that healthy?
I didn\'t call her that, THX did. Besides, you didn\'t see her on Oprah, so what do you know? The pictures on the website linked above were probably taken within 6-12 months after the accident. It\'s now been several years, and I think there\'s little doubt that she is healthier than she was before.
You may think handicapped people have no reason to survive, but you can\'t decide that for others.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
I didn\'t call her that, THX did. Besides, you didn\'t see her on Oprah, so what do you know? The pictures on the website linked above were probably taken within 6-12 months after the accident. It\'s now been several years, and I think there\'s little doubt that she is healthier than she was before.
You may think handicapped people have no reason to survive, but you can\'t decide that for others.
The picture was taken in 2003.There is a date under the pic in that website.She is still under medical care ("Medical treatment for Jacqui\'s extensive injuries continues").
It depends.Thats not my absolute opinion about handicapped people.But when I saw specifically her I was as shocked as I ve never been in my whole life when I saw other incidents of people that have suffered from an incident and caused great losses
Just as I cant decide for others the same counts for her parents and you as you believe she should have lived.
This girl will suffer for the rest of her life.I ve seen people that had insignifigant losses and suffer for the rest of their lives.Sometimes they seem to accept their fate because they have no other option.But they occasionally brake.
as for my previous post you seem to ignore the things I ve mentioned
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Yeah, an occasional glass of red wine with dinner at the most.
That was what 10-12 years ago? Tis a little different now and even includes beer and alcohol.
I hate to see these types of stories, espescially when said DD lives on normally.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
as for my previous post you seem to ignore the things I ve mentioned
I have ignored nothing you mentioned. My point was you shouldn\'t just list all her ailments. We looked at the website, and we know her condition. Just listing what\'s wrong with her is not an argument.
I\'m trying to say that you\'ve made a judgement that she shouldn\'t live based on the pictures you saw. If she shouldn\'t live with those injuries, then where do you draw the line? Exactly what injuries are sustainable, and what injuries should result in a death sentence? You have no rule you can apply to all situations. An injury that might be considered life ending by a weak person might be taken in stride by someone else with more inner strength.
You can\'t just look at a picture and assume that SHE won\'t have the courage to live and make something of herself. Not everyone will be able to do that, but it\'s up to her to decide her fate, not you. I have known people who look as bad as she does, and they are living and surviving. Sure life can be harder for some, but that doesn\'t always mean you should just give up.
Just as I cant decide for others the same counts for her parents and you as you believe she should have lived.
PS. I did not say she should live. I said she should be given the opportunity to live. If she wants to end her own life, that should be possible too.
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Can\'t they do plastic surgery to her to make her look more like she was before the accident? Its good to see she\'s doing better and that she is helping in the crusade against drunk driving. I really had trouble sleeping last night after seeing this link. I couldn\'t get her picture out of my head.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
If she wants to end her own life, that should be possible too.
I think we should all have that option when something serious happens and we end up in the hospital.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
I have ignored nothing you mentioned. My point was you shouldn\'t just list all her ailments. We looked at the website, and we know her condition. Just listing what\'s wrong with her is not an argument.
I\'m trying to say that you\'ve made a judgement that she shouldn\'t live based on the pictures you saw. If she shouldn\'t live with those injuries, then where do you draw the line? Exactly what injuries are sustainable, and what injuries should result in a death sentence? You have no rule you can apply to all situations. An injury that might be considered life ending by a weak person might be taken in stride by someone else with more inner strength.
You can\'t just look at a picture and assume that SHE won\'t have the courage to live and make something of herself. Not everyone will be able to do that, but it\'s up to her to decide her fate, not you. I have known people who look as bad as she does, and they are living and surviving. Sure life can be harder for some, but that doesn\'t always mean you should just give up.
PS. I did not say she should live. I said she should be given the opportunity to live. If she wants to end her own life, that should be possible too.
You did ignore and some things werent mentioned in any website I ve mentioned.And I reminded you of a few things that her parents didnt take into consideration.
Anyways.My original point was that her parents avoided all the possibilities that indicate to a living hell for her in the future and that their act was for theirselves since we cant stand the loss of a person we love.
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on Oprah, she speak pretty decent english considering her situation and both her eyes could see, but all ten of her fingers are missing which is sad because she to struggle to brush her teeth, change her clothes, or type with a keyboard, etc....
also, beside she got injuried badly, two other people in the car were killed because of ths accident.
I think the driver got sentenced 7 years in jail or something. I can\'t remember who said it maybe Oprah said something like this, "This guy did get 7 years in prison, but once he got out of jail after he served his time. He can enjoy his life once again and do things that he wanted to do...while she have to suffered from this for the rest of her life."
Which I actually agree. The burnt victim said she wanted study Engineering and finish it but she can\'t because of this. The mother of the driver came up from the audiences and said she pray for her, and she pray that she got her eyesights back...she have a difficult time getting the words out, but she did...
Another thing was asked was, "Did you forgave the person that cause you this?" She said yes which i thought was amazing that she did...she said when she go to the mall, people stare at her and gave her the looks, she said when the kids look at her like that, she understand because they are still kids. But some adults does it too....and it probably made her uncomfortable.
Anyway, I suffered from schizophrenia and sinus pain, and it killing me and preventing me from doing things i wanted to do and i been through hell and still struggling, but compare me to her, she\'s in worse condition than me in most cases.
I was hoping for the day when i get cured and back to my real self, i used to be very optimistic about me being normal again and a brighter future. even before i have head scar surgeries. I remember before 2002, my trauma headache and sinus pain and eye swelling was bad, but i was in denial and i wasn\'t sure what is happening to me, but i was trying to be optimistic and try to ignore the problem....I realize how wrong i was ignoring those symptoms...until summer 2002, my chronic headache and sinus pain is at it extreme severe. It hurts as hell, i was trying to tell my mom to get me help...she didn\'t take it seriously, she thought it was just a mild headache...
but now, i am much better than i used to be and i try to be optimistic to be healthy again, but i am scare and worry...bunch of times i had thought about suicide, but didn\'t do it yet....hopefully i am back to my normal self again...the sooner the better.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
You did ignore and some things werent mentioned in any website I ve mentioned.And I reminded you of a few things that her parents didnt take into consideration.
Anyways.My original point was that her parents avoided all the possibilities that indicate to a living hell for her in the future and that their act was for theirselves since we cant stand the loss of a person we love.
Look man, stop saying I have ignored you. That is the most pointless statement you can make to try to elicit symathy for your argument. I think maybe you don\'t know the meaning of the word ignore. I didn\'t ignore you. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. You can\'t say my disagreement is not valid because I haven\'t listened to your argument. I\'ve listened, and it doesn\'t hold up.
I agree that her parents want to keep her alive because they love her. But you\'ve taken it a step further and said they should have had her killed instead. Why would you say that when you can\'t be certain she won\'t have a useful and semi-productive life in spite of the injuries. She can always choose to take her own life later if she finds it unbearable. That\'s where your argument is turns to shit. Murder is irreversable, but if you preserve her life, then she has the opportunity to make the choice her self. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Look man, stop saying I have ignored you. That is the most pointless statement you can make to try to elicit symathy for your argument. I think maybe you don\'t know the meaning of the word ignore. I didn\'t ignore you. I DISAGREE WITH YOU. You can\'t say my disagreement is not valid because I haven\'t listened to your argument. I\'ve listened, and it doesn\'t hold up.
I didnt say you ignored me,You ignored some of my statements.You dont seem to understand the seriousness of them.I ve mentioned mental issues which are the worse case.You insisted on her doing well based on simple logic and personal experience.Like injuries that can get better etc and because she seemd relatively ok in Oprah.I am not waiting you to agree.i am waiting you to try proove me wrong on my arguements.
I agree that her parents want to keep her alive because they love her. But you\'ve taken it a step further and said they should have had her killed instead. Why would you say that when you can\'t be certain she won\'t have a useful and semi-productive life in spite of the injuries. She can always choose to take her own life later if she finds it unbearable. That\'s where your argument is turns to shit. Murder is irreversable, but if you preserve her life, then she has the opportunity to make the choice her self. Why is that so hard to understand?
Her parents thought about nothing other than their personal feelings and avoided all the consiquences she would suffer.Thats was my point.Its immoral to live someone live and suffer just because you cant stand the loss.
She was fighting between life and death.But they choose to force her live by all means necessary and they avoided the self-evident.
As for taking her own life you make it sound as if its something easy.People that are thinking to commit suicide live in confusion.Even if things seem as if they cant get any worse you still hesitate.Confusion and doubt fill your mind.Sometimes you create dellusions because you dont want to accept the truth.Also if she is under medical care to counter self-destruction tendencies and depression she wont commit suicide.She cant.She isnt let to.You dont know because you follow simple logic based on personal experiences.
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1. You say suicide is not an acceptable option, but murder is ok. Explain that. It makes no sense, because murder is irreversable, but Suicide can always be done later.
2. How do you decide which injured person should be allowed to live, and which should be put out of their misery? You have provided no rules to follow. There are an infinite number of grey areas here where you would be entirely unqualified to judge. You just looked at a picture of her and said "gosh we should kill her." You can\'t say that someone should be killed without a clearly definable reason why.
You say you\'re waiting for me to prove you wrong, but you haven\'t made any clearly definable argument. You just say she should be killed because she might suffer.
Everyone suffers in life at some point. Some people are born with deformities and suffer from the beginning to the end of their lives. Should they be killed to? See point no.2 above. You have no rules to apply, therefore your argument is ridiculous.
Her parents thought about nothing other than their personal feelings and avoided all the consiquences she would suffer.Thats was my point.
BTW, that is bullshit. Maybe the parents were thinking about reducing her suffering by treating her injuries and allowing her to recover and restore her life. You shouldn\'t say such a terrible thing about the parents as "they thought about nothing other than their own personal feelings." You have no way of knowing, so that statement is pure BS.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
1. You say suicide is not an acceptable option, but murder is ok. Explain that. It makes no sense, because murder is irreversable, but Suicide can always be done later.
Thats not murder.She was fighting between life and death.And she was under great suffering.Unimaginable suffering.
Many people ask for euthanasia but nobody is offering it to them.Because its considered a murder.Even people that would have died anyways.
Murder is when you take someone\'s life against his own will
2. How do you decide which injured person should be allowed to live, and which should be put out of their misery? You have provided no rules to follow. There are an infinite number of grey areas here where you would be entirely unqualified to judge. You just looked at a picture of her and said "gosh we should kill her." You can\'t say that someone should be killed without a clearly definable reason why.
Who are you to decide that everyone should suffer the consiquences no matter how painful they are?You set one rule thats for sure.
No I didnt look at a picture.I ve told you already that I ve seen people!You are the one that judge from a distance based on personal experiences
You say you\'re waiting for me to prove you wrong, but you haven\'t made any clearly definable argument. You just say she should be killed because she might suffer.
Mental traumas, incurable traumas, that consume you.I am bored to repeat exactly my arguement.Just read my previous post.
Everyone suffers in life at some point. Some people are born with deformities and suffer from the beginning to the end of their lives. Should they be killed to? See point no.2 above. You have no rules to apply, therefore your argument is ridiculous.
So they shouldnt.But her case isnt the same.She was almost dead.And its also tons harder to know that "THIS IS NOT THE REAL ME!LOOK HOW I WERE AND HOW I AM"!!
BTW, that is bullshit. Maybe the parents were thinking about reducing her suffering by treating her injuries and allowing her to recover and restore her life. You shouldn\'t say such a terrible thing about the parents as "they thought about nothing other than their own personal feelings." You have no way of knowing, so that statement is pure BS. [/B]
What the...?Maybe the parents were thinking about reducing her suffering by treating her injuries?Thats indeed BS!
Thats not a common everyday injury.Or a curable injury.Or an injury that lives no "stains".
You still refer to external injuries(as if they are just injuries)!!You still didnt say anything about MENTAL INJURIES!!
Which prooves that you ignore my arguement.You talk as if its just the freaking injuries and the external pain that they inflict
You use common oversimplistic logic that only wipes the surface
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Doctors don\'t care if you are missing both legs/arms and are all burned up. They are going to try and save your life regardless. The parent\'s input probably would not have come in unless she was on life support.
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I really had trouble sleeping last night after seeing this link. I couldn\'t get her picture out of my head.
Dude, you were masturbating werent you?
Someone should just close this thread, its just arguing, and its revolting.
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Originally posted by (e)
Dude, you were masturbating werent you?
Hahaha, Spudz made a funny
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Originally posted by (e)
Dude, you were masturbating werent you?
:banghead: OMG u annoy the hell out of me
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lol most famous matchups:
Unicron vs Cored
Gman vs luckee
Spudz vs Swifdi <-- seems to be dying down, substitute Jumpman if neccessary
Anyone else I\'m missing?
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Omen vs virgin assholes
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LOL.
I stopped because I gave up on Unicron\'s bizarre emotion-based viewpoint. I guess they don\'t teach developing and thinking about logical arguments in whatever school system he\'s from. He prefers to base his argument on indefinable emotions and assumed beliefs that cannot be proven or disproven.
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SirMystiq vs Gigashadow
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I think there are many "_________ vs Gigashadow" :D :p
Just kiddin man, it\'s all cool. ;)
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Originally posted by Coredweller
I stopped because I gave up on Unicron\'s bizarre emotion-based viewpoint. I guess they don\'t teach developing and thinking about logical arguments in whatever school system he\'s from. He prefers to base his argument on indefinable emotions and assumed beliefs that cannot be proven or disproven.
Amen.
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Originally posted by luckee
That was what 10-12 years ago? Tis a little different now and even includes beer and alcohol.
We all know that the only people saying drinking alcohol is healthy now are alcoholics.
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Originally posted by Unicron!
You call that healthy?
I know many people here know that I am a web designer does anyone know what I do in real life?
Im a R.N. I dont work in a hospital anymore I am in the IT department but the hired me because of my medical background.
Unicron...... You above statements suprise me the most. I have always toyed with the thought if you little remarks about you being gay are true or if you were playing some little game. I think it must be a game I have worked with alot a (gay) male nurses who are way more compasionate than the female.
Healthy is a matter of opinion really.
You see a man walking and talking at the golf course and you think hes healty but really he has had a triple bypass he is a diabetic and suffers from copd.... Is he healthy because he "looks" normal?
This girl is pretty f\'d up, but let me tell you most burn victims that I have meet are extremly glad they are alive and think thier accident has made them stronger physically and religously and yes I have meet some victims that were as bad as this girl.
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I\'ve probably seen this before. That link should be reposted every 3 months to remind you and also to remind your friends to NOT DRIVE WHILE INTOXICATED.
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Originally posted by (e)
Dude, you were masturbating werent you?
Dude, that was uncalled for. That wasn\'t even remotely funny.