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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: ooseven on April 14, 2004, 07:19:33 AM
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Like in 4 weeks time (fingers Crosses)
So it looks like i will finally be able to get back-on line and frag someone. :D.
So any suggestions on games to get for my PC?
I have been eye\'n up Battlefield Vietnam but didn\'t get it becuase i still have Dial up.
So are there any suggestion on GOOD Multiplayer games ?
Include everything (from FSP to RPG\'s )
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I hear BFV is really good.
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Wow, welcome to 4 years ago. :gman:
One thing, don\'t freaking bother with Warcraft. I tried it again the other day. Played (or I shoudl say tried to play) 5 or 6 games and every time it sucked.
So many dickheads on there and when you are in a good game you get freaking disconnected.
Blah...
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I just cancelled my broadband. The weather is ever changing and it will be hot soon. And i will be working and partying more.
So I will not have time for the internet much so I just cancelled it.
P.S. I though broadband was everywhere your just getting it:sconf:
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Originally posted by QuDDus
I just cancelled my broadband. The weather is ever changing and it will be hot soon. And i will be working and partying more.
So I will not have time for the internet much so I just cancelled it.
P.S. I though broadband was everywhere your just getting it:sconf:
Don\'t be an idiot. I think it\'s some 40 percent of America still cannot get broadband, including myself. And no, I do not count sattelite internet.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Don\'t be an idiot. I think it\'s some 40 percent of America still cannot get broadband, including myself. And no, I do not count sattelite internet.
Are you serious? Man there is like 6 different companys in my area offering broadband service.
You must live a really...really... small town.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Are you serious? Man there is like 6 different companys in my area offering broadband service.
You must live a really...really... small town.
You don\'t get it - there are places in actual cities where you cannot get cable / DSL.. Just because it is rampant in your area does not mean it is everywhere. America is way behind in the broadband movement, most of the Euro countries have it, along with China / Japan - but America has not jumped on the "bandwagon" so to speak.
It\'s sad but true .
:(
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^^^Consider the resources required to wire all of China/Japan and to wire all of the US.
I\'m willing to be that the amount of BB availability in the US would overlap China/Japan a couple of times over.
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A valid point, but it does not change the fact that a large amount of American\'s do not have access to a high speed internet connection.
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My parent\'s can\'t get it where they are building in Tampa. THey are hoping the power company starts selling it. Tampa is suppose to become a test market. Fingers crossed for them.
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i want broadband :(
hopefully in summer
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
^^^Consider the resources required to wire all of China/Japan and to wire all of the US.
I\'m willing to be that the amount of BB availability in the US would overlap China/Japan a couple of times over.
We are the land of the rich or some BS. Seriously the reason why the US is not wired is because most americans are idiots. They are content with their 56k modems or better yet their new 56k with the superfast download that goes 7x the speed of 56k.
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Another of the many reasons why the U.S. is better than any other country in the world.
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I just T1 last tuesday. 1.3 Mbps :p
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T1 just for your house? Jesus christ that\'s overkill, but if you can afford it, more power to you.
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I\'ve just got back onto BB. On a 512k ADSL account, although the website says its 1.5mbit. knobs, anyway its great to finally be back on BB. :)
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I want Broadband :(
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Another of the many reasons why the U.S. is better than any other country in the world.
I hope that is sarcasm and not ignorance.
Originally posted by Capcom
We are the land of the rich or some BS. Seriously the reason why the US is not wired is because most americans are idiots. They are content with their 56k modems or better yet their new 56k with the superfast download that goes 7x the speed of 56k.
V.90, baby. It\'s all about the V.90! That or those great programs that say "speed up your dial-up connection" - they\'re great!
;)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
V.90, baby. It\'s all about the V.90! That or those great programs that say "speed up your dial-up connection" - they\'re great!
;)
Do download accelerators actually work?!!?
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Originally posted by PS2_-\'_\'-_PS2
Do download accelerators actually work?!!?
From my understanding they compress pictures. So they do help some. Not when you go to dl somthing though.
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download accelerators can work, depending on teh server. Say u connect to a server that allows 2k per sec download MAX, when it connects 4 times its at 2x4 = 8k etc.. So depending on the server they can help.
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On the average , they do not help and even if they do it\'s not extremely noticable.
Let\'s see here.
Broadband or Download accelators ...
Hmm - the choices.
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I thought some of those download accelerators just download the links on the page that way whatever link you click on, there is a chance it\'s already in the cache.
AKA, I\'m an idiot and don\'t know what I am talking about.
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Originally posted by Capcom
We are the land of the rich or some BS. Seriously the reason why the US is not wired is because most americans are idiots. They are content with their 56k modems or better yet their new 56k with the superfast download that goes 7x the speed of 56k.
No, its because we have had telephones longer than anyone else and a lot the country is physically not wired to handle BB.
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Originally posted by Capcom
From my understanding they compress pictures. So they do help some. Not when you go to dl somthing though.
Yeh AOL 9.0 has the feature to compress pictures and then disply them, its quite useful for in game screenshots etc - the only time i use AOL =]
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
No, its because we have had telephones longer than anyone else and a lot the country is physically not wired to handle BB.
That is utter bull. The phone companies could do the wiring if they chose to. The biggest issue is the distance from the main office.
If there was a demand to drop dial-up, and there was money in it. I am sure someone would bypass this limitation or do things such as the power lines. Though they may suffer the same distance limitations.
As a side note. There seems to be the thought that 256 or 512 is broadband. I agree it is better than 56k, but it is still not true broadband. IMHO that does not kick in until you have reached well over a meg.
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BB is cable or DSL services etc.
They can reach the 1mbit+ connection speeds.
They\'re just Capped. You can\'t with 56k. Thats my idea of BB.
Also the fact theres no dialing with BB.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
BB is cable or DSL services etc.
They can reach the 1mbit+ connection speeds.
They\'re just Capped. You can\'t with 56k. Thats my idea of BB.
Also the fact theres no dialing with BB.
With you definition satellite is not broadband. Neither is power lines. With my current broadband. When I signed up they put me in the wrong package to begin with. It was the 512 package, and was not tolerable. It was just a tad bit better than 56k. Sure web pages loaded quicker, but I could not download 10 porn movies at the same time, and still surf the web comfortably. Btw dling 10 500 meg mpegs right now.
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So sad BB is not everywhere. And there are so many ways to get it in my area.
Cable > DSL
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do u live in a major city?
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I kept seeing the words BB. What does BB actually means? Bigger Breasts, better boobs? :surprised
(JK, i know it means broadband)
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I don\'t think anyone in their right mind can call sattelite internet "broadband". If they do, I urge them to do research on it and if they are still not convinced it is not a true form of broadband, then please, by all means, sign up for it. I did at one point, I was an early adopter of the technology and it is not worth having.
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Originally posted by Capcom
With you definition satellite is not broadband. Neither is power lines. With my current broadband. When I signed up they put me in the wrong package to begin with. It was the 512 package, and was not tolerable. It was just a tad bit better than 56k. Sure web pages loaded quicker, but I could not download 10 porn movies at the same time, and still surf the web comfortably. Btw dling 10 500 meg mpegs right now.
Well, i\'m on a 512 plan, I download at about 60k a sec MAX depending on the server, wouldn\'t make any difference on my end if the server won\'t support my speeds. Tad faster then 56k? I was on 56k. I was lucky to get 5k a sec. Seems mine is MUCH faster then 56k. If i\'m not on BB, what am i on? dialup? pity i don\'t dialup.
Your idea of BB is anything under 1mbit is not BB. So what is it then? Just because its capped, doesn\'t mean its not broadband.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Wow, welcome to 4 years ago. :gman:
I know... But BroadBand Roll Out is Sooooooo Slooooooooowwwww over here in the UK.
The main company (British Telecom) are tight fisted with their money and are reluctant to upgrade local Telephone exchanges for ADSL...well untill now that is.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ED
Well, i\'m on a 512 plan, I download at about 60k a sec MAX depending on the server, wouldn\'t make any difference on my end if the server won\'t support my speeds. Tad faster then 56k? I was on 56k. I was lucky to get 5k a sec. Seems mine is MUCH faster then 56k. If i\'m not on BB, what am i on? dialup? pity i don\'t dialup.
Your idea of BB is anything under 1mbit is not BB. So what is it then? Just because its capped, doesn\'t mean its not broadband.
I think Capcom\'s point is back in the \'good ole\' days\' when 1.5 down was standard , people truly got the full advantage of broadband. Now a\'days companies are getting worse and worse about cutting bandwidth UP and DOWN. Think about it as an American for a second. A huge amount of American\'s can\'t get access to broadband and those that can are having a hard time actually getting access to a nice amount of bandwidth, unlike per say three to five years ago.
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I know what he is saying, but broadband is broadband, even if its capped or just slow as hell. Slow broadband is just that. Slow broadband etc.
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Like i said..
So any suggestions on games to get for my PC?
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What, we\'re on the internet and you guys don\'t even search for the official definition?
Technical Definition of Broadband:
Broadband refers to telecommunication that provides multiple channels of data over a single communications medium, typically using some form of frequency or wave division multiplexing.
Webopedia seems to be down at the moment so I googled this (http://www.cis.state.mi.us/mpsc/comm/broadband/broadband/broadband.htm).
Souly\'s right, as slow as it may be it transfers multiplexed streams of digital information.
007- Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault is always fun.
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Originally posted by THX
do u live in a major city?
If you would call detroit a major city.
Um I got comcast offering there super fast BB service, Aol, Media One, At&t, Sbc, And there are a few local heads who offer some forum of BB service.
So there are several options you can choose from in my area:p
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Comcast = AT&T
still consider yourself lucky u have so many options. From ooseven\'s post it seems Uk aint as fortunate.
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Originally posted by THX
Comcast = AT&T
still consider yourself lucky u have so many options. From ooseven\'s post it seems Uk aint as fortunate.
How does comcast = at&t?
At&t offers dsl comcast offers cable modem. One is cable the other is telephone. Comcast is know setting up cable telephone service though:eek:
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Originally posted by THX
What, we\'re on the internet and you guys don\'t even search for the official definition?
Webopedia seems to be down at the moment so I googled this (http://www.cis.state.mi.us/mpsc/comm/broadband/broadband/broadband.htm).
Souly\'s right, as slow as it may be it transfers multiplexed streams of digital information.
007- Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault is always fun.
I don\'t think the arguement was ever if he was techinally right - it was if he is right in a sense that are we being screwed with current broadband offerings. It\'s more a complaint about the current status of broadband in America.
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He said, Broadband isn\'t Broadband unless its over 1mbit.
Thats just a opinion on what his IDEA of broadband is.. Broadband has nothing to do with download speeds.
Its the way it works that makes it called broadband..
All this download speed stuff has just become a image.
Americans bytching about there BB shits me sometimes.. We aussies are even LUCKY if we can get it. If we do, we get ripped of for it. I\'m paying 40usd a month for a 32gig 512/128 account. After the 32gig i get capped down to 56k speeds. Bastards.
Thats about as good as it gets for the price range i was willing to pay.
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I won\'t try to explain his point but this quote gets me.
Americans bytching about there BB shits me sometimes.. We aussies are even LUCKY if we can get it. If we do, we get ripped of for it. I\'m paying 40usd a month for a 32gig 512/128 account. After the 32gig i get capped down to 56k speeds. Bastards.
Thats about as good as it gets for the price range i was willing to pay.
Gee, guess what, America is in the same boat. Cutting down and up speed is getting more common and common, along with capping and raising prices.
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most americans i\'ve spoken to are on unlimted plans at 20 to 40 usd a month.. some are on uncapped speeds. In australia you won\'t find any city/suburb that would even come close.
All the isps have capped speeds and downloads for that price.
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Is there a way for me to use my dial-up modem to download movies to my VCR, or to record songs to my portable Teddy Ruxbin?
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I pay 26 a month and am on a no-limit DSL. Think I am like at 780k or something. Plenty fast for browsing and trading my beastiality/snuff videos.
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I pay 40 a month for cable and usually download at over 200kb/s. I was on 56k for far too long, i\'ll never go back that\'s for sure.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
How does comcast = at&t?
At&t offers dsl comcast offers cable modem. One is cable the other is telephone. Comcast is know setting up cable telephone service though:eek:
They merged with AT&T in control, so they are one company offering different services. AT&T itself can\'t offer both cable and telephone after the Telecom Act. Yea I\'m confused too.
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Originally posted by Capcom
That is utter bull. The phone companies could do the wiring if they chose to. The biggest issue is the distance from the main office.
Saying "physically not wired" was a poor choice of words on my part but I meant the same thing. The telephone infrastructure was not made with the internet in mind(let alone broadband connections) so it makes sense that many places would not be able to use it.
Originally posted by Capcom
If there was a demand to drop dial-up, and there was money in it. I am sure someone would bypass this limitation or do things such as the power lines. Though they may suffer the same distance limitations.
As a side note. There seems to be the thought that 256 or 512 is broadband. I agree it is better than 56k, but it is still not true broadband. IMHO that does not kick in until you have reached well over a meg.
Are you saying that there is no demand for broadband in places that do not have it? When there is a market for something but no supply, there is almost automatically a demand.
Companies are investing MILLIONS upon MILLIONS to improve broadband performance and coverage. That shows there is a market.
BTW, even if DSL was 10kbs, by definition, it is still broadband.
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When I lived in Louisville I had 1.5 meg no cap (which just blows my mind if you are referring to max megs per month) for 35 a month. Instead of moving bandwith up at the same price. Instead people follow the companies train of thought that lower speeds is still broadband. Those that follow that thought probably are just a step up from a dial-up accelerator.
Those wanting to do alot of online games would do better with a good one meg plus download, and 512 is minimum if you want to host some.
I will overlook soul and his low speed. What servers are in australlia to dl porn off of. I would almost bet any dl he does comes from the civilized world and his speeds are gonna be slower anyways.
Countries that have embraced broadband have grown in ways we can only imagine.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Well, i\'m on a 512 plan, I download at about 60k a sec MAX depending on the server, wouldn\'t make any difference on my end if the server won\'t support my speeds. Tad faster then 56k? I was on 56k. I was lucky to get 5k a sec. Seems mine is MUCH faster then 56k. If i\'m not on BB, what am i on? dialup? pity i don\'t dialup.
Your idea of BB is anything under 1mbit is not BB. So what is it then? Just because its capped, doesn\'t mean its not broadband.
PPOE dials up. Which is most dsl.
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I will overlook soul and his low speed. What servers are in australlia to dl porn off of. I would almost bet any dl he does comes from the civilized world and his speeds are gonna be slower anyways.
As many Aussie jokes as we have here, that may be one of the funniest and most original.
:D
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Pity I download at my current speeds max most of the time.
Broadband can still be slow. As a person with so much certification capcom, you should understand this more then anyone. But I guess in a country full of Ignorance, Arrogance and stereotypes in a neat little package. It’s a hard concept to fathom. ;)
U also mean pppoe.
America Civilized. lol "wipes tear from eye" :)
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+1
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Naturally when you think of BB you think of superfast speed.
That is the main thing that attracted me to get a faster connection. Having only 10-20x greater speed than my 56k would hardly be BB to me. Although technically it would be.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Pity I download at my current speeds max most of the time.
Broadband can still be slow. As a person with so much certification capcom, you should understand this more then anyone. But I guess in a country full of Ignorance, Arrogance and stereotypes in a neat little package. It’s a hard concept to fathom. ;)
U also mean pppoe.
America Civilized. lol "wipes tear from eye" :)
Then why were you whining about servers supporting?
Thanks for the correction. I did not know that. Could never have been a typo....sheesh I especially love being corrected by someone that can\'t setup ICS with his big brother. Will bother to edit. It does not change the fact thatit essentially dial-ups which was my point to begin with.
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u try setting up ICS with a modem that shares the same ip.. good luck champ :rolleyes:
Even if it dials out. The signal return isn\'t the same as a 56k modem etc. The return is a BroadBand signal.
and where did i bytch about servers. I simply said my speed changes depending on the server. Just as yours would.
Must be fun to put words into peoples mouths.. sigh..
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
u try setting up ICS with a modem that shares the same ip.. good luck champ :rolleyes:
Even if it dials out. The signal return isn\'t the same as a 56k modem etc. The return is a BroadBand signal.
and where did i bytch about servers. I simply said my speed changes depending on the server. Just as yours would.
Must be fun to put words into peoples mouths.. sigh..
Soul you are the master of putting words into peoples mouth. Or better yet getting all technical in a forum that is suppose to be a bit fun.
So far as different speeds on different servers. Face it if you want to go to most any site it is going to be out of australlia. I can\'t verify it with a certainty, but my speeds tend to be slower on oversea servers. I would suspect it is because there are not as many routes to oversea\'s, and there being more limited bandwith to that server.
Now onto the dialing up of dsl. One is digital and one is analog. Who cares it is still a dial-up. If you do not have a router in between that dials for you. You have a dial-up connection in windows os.
Now onto the ICS. Hey braniac did you ever try using regmon and filemon to even see if you could manipulate it? If you could change it in the older versions. it would be my guess that you still could. That would take effort on your part though. Which you are not willing to do. If it is not in a book you are lost. It is the really real world, and if on customer premises you would have to figure it out. Which is probably why you are a hardware freak. If you were working the same place as I. Your hardware skills would not get you much further than the janitor cleaning the toilet. Yes I do look down on hardware freaks that do that and that only for a job. Replace this with that. A monkey can do thqat job.
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err, i tried a lot of different things, from altering the reg to using other ICS programs. From making my pc a proxy server. Changing the Modems Ip etc etc. Simply put they wouldn\'t work. I don\'t just go out a buy hardware when it doesn\'t work. I spent over 10 hours trying different software tricks to get it to work. That’s why I didn\'t want to use a router, it was the easy way out. We got one for free so we thought why keep screwing around when we can solve the problem right then and there. The router didn\'t support port forwarding so my brother bought another that did, and I’m personally not happy with DMZ mode. I didn\'t spend 1 cent at all to fix the problem we had.
I never said that I wouldn\'t get dropped speeds from overseas servers; I said I get FULL speed on overseas servers. If you\'re getting 1mbit + then I doubt it would drop past 512kbps with my connections.
DSL, Cable, Sat etc etc are all forms of Broadband. Wither they dial out first doesn’t matter. Your opinion on this doesn\'t matter. Your opinion is not fact.
Saying it has to be over 1mbit before its conceded broadband is so friggin lame it’s not funny. Its your ideal, not a fact.
Say I’m on a BB connection. But its under 1mbit, so that to you isn\'t broadband, but as soon as it goes over 1mbit it is.. Sorry dood, doesn’t work like that. BB is the signal that’s received / sent. Its that simple. Download speeds have nothing to do with it. You may be referring to what quality bb is, and i agree. Good BB is at a uncapped speed and download limit. But we all don\'t have that luxury.
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Also, please don\'t tell me what i\'ve tried and what type of person i am. You don\'t know me, I\'ll give anything my best go untill it either works or i\'m out of ideas. (then i\'ll ask for help) Which i did, you didn\'t seem to help much either, I guess its easier said then done huh champ. A bench tech doesn\'t just swap this with that, any monkey with half a brain would know that. ;)
Well, to be honest in some places they do. Kinda lame really. Just building pcs all day argh. Being the type of person i am, i wouldn\'t work with a company like that. Most places require you to have a certificate of some sort, normally A+ just to get work.
Having no respect or looking down as you put it, on someone because of the job they do is quite sad imo. I don\'t have any respect for people like that. Judgmental morons that probably miss out on a lot of good friends because they\'re got their head so far up their own asses. Aka snobs.
But I guess like u said in another forum. You’re the type of person that can take help from anyone and be thankful for it. So i guess that means your ok.. Right?
The I wouldn\'t know how to fix it if it wasn’t in a book remark is lame. When you\'re the one with how many certificates again? How many books did u have to buy and read to get them huh? Even if i did use books to fix my problems, who cares.
You have to learn from somewhere, but If its one thing, i\'m the least likely person to look it up in a book. I wonder how much of your skills came from books.
I play around with my pcs all the time, i prefer to teach myself rather then learn out of a book.
ohh and I spent 3 years as a pc tech on and off site.. so bite me ;)
We could go at this all day, but its not gonna get us anyware. Lets agree to disagree.
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Like i said..
So any suggestions on games to get for my PC?
If you lot want a geek-fest and talk the hind legs of a donkey about BB then please Start your own God dman thread.
This one was and still is about Great GAME\'S to play ONLINE !
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lol. Try Warcraft, splintercell PT is meant to be good online, Battlefield series, UT series etc.. Most online games tend to be FPS based.
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Thanks Souly..:D...
Now get with the Cable Vs ADSL debate..
I have just found out that i could get Both... like REAL soon.
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Go cable if you have the chance. DSL is playing catchup over here since most cable providers upgraded their basic service to 3mbps download. DSL is looking to do the same thing so cable of course is looking to step up to 6mbps.
http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/42009
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So sad BB is not everywhere. And there are so many ways to get it in my area
That may change, they want to introduce Broadband over Powerline, (BPL).
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Originally posted by THX
Go cable if you have the chance. DSL is playing catchup over here since most cable providers upgraded their basic service to 3mbps download. DSL is looking to do the same thing so cable of course is looking to step up to 6mbps.
http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/42009
Unless you listen to soul. Then 512 is all that you will need.
THX I could not agree more. Some will say since it is shared you may get lesser performance. If you have a decent cable company though you will be ok.
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again, putting words into my mouth.. sigh
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
again, putting words into my mouth.. sigh
I started reading the two large posts above. Realized I could care less what you say or think. I will say this. You appear to get all in a bunch about studying or some stupid aussie thought you have. Last time I checked hands on is zero good without concept. Unless of course you want to tear up everything you touch. Which I suspect you do since you are a hands on guy.
You also appeared to bother with A+. Which a well trained monkey can pass. If it did not mean squat. Why bother? Answer because you wanted a job as a toilet scrubber in the IT field. You can diss all you want. The simple fact of the matter is that you are either A. too lazy to get further certifications. B. You are a hardware junky, and that is all you will ever be. It is fine to scrub toilets. Don\'t get me wrong. Everyone has their place in the world.
I will give you that you have me on hardware. Whatever that means in the real world.
Edit: Now the subject is closed on my behalf.
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Is it just me or is Capcom a bit douche baggy?
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Is it just me or is Capcom a bit douche baggy?
You avatar fits you well.
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Hey, what can I say? I love to dance.
Are you a big tit?
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I feel for you then. You dance like a retard.
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Originally posted by Capcom
I started reading the two large posts above. Realized I could care less what you say or think. I will say this. You appear to get all in a bunch about studying or some stupid aussie thought you have. Last time I checked hands on is zero good without concept. Unless of course you want to tear up everything you touch. Which I suspect you do since you are a hands on guy.
You also appeared to bother with A+. Which a well trained monkey can pass. If it did not mean squat. Why bother? Answer because you wanted a job as a toilet scrubber in the IT field. You can diss all you want. The simple fact of the matter is that you are either A. too lazy to get further certifications. B. You are a hardware junky, and that is all you will ever be. It is fine to scrub toilets. Don\'t get me wrong. Everyone has their place in the world.
I will give you that you have me on hardware. Whatever that means in the real world.
Edit: Now the subject is closed on my behalf.
Or C I prefer Electronics over both PC hardware and software.
Please stop presuming you know how I am, what my skills are and what I’m into... thank you.
Man you love yourself. I bet you stand infront of the mirror and just start talking to yourself huh, just to hear your own voice..
ps, who said i had the A+ cert. I said its required to get most pc tech jobs. Again, putting words in my mouth. I personally couldn\'t give a toss how many certs you have. Maybe if i wanted to do something in pc software i\'d care. But here\'s a little secret, i don\'t. I find the software sides of pc totally boring. If it floats your boat, good for you. Try not to put down people that have different interests. It makes you look like a f@#ken prick.
pps.
Cap, You seem to think people won\'t learn unless they go out and do a course first. I\'ve yet to screw any pc i\'ve worked with. Software or Hardware sides, sure you come across problems here and there, but u learn from them.
I have something called experience. It does wonders, i\'ve learnt more from being "hands on" then what i could have learnt from any book. Pc sides that is, electronics is a totally different ball game.
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Gentleman, let\'s not get all rowdy here.
Oh by the way Black Samurai, you avatar is hilarious
:laughing: :laughing:
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
Hey, what can I say? I love to dance.
Are you a big tit?
PLease tell me that isnt u in ur avatarr , scary :)
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So........
How about that group hug?