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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: THX on April 14, 2004, 09:43:45 PM
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12.000 points in 3DMark 2003. A score of over 60.000 in AquaMark 3. Over 60fps in Halo at 1600x1200 and more than 50fps in FarCry with High FSAA and 4tap anisotropic filtering at 1024x768 - these are numbers that will bring tears of joy to PC enthusiasts everywhere.
Tom\'s Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040414/index.html) | Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2023&p=1)
Crikey! nVidia finallly raises the bar in their favor. Look at those benchmarks of the 6800 trouncing the 9800xt. :eek: Even HDTV friendly too, accelerating WM9 & H.264 files.
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I wonder how much longer I have to wait to nab a 9800 Pro at under $120.
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Christ. Requires two power supply cables, takes up the AGP slot, and at least two (whoever puts any PCI card next to that monstrous fan that blows out hot air is insane) PCI slots? ... Is it even worth the sacrifice? It\'s like its own motherboard sans the powersupply...
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I think the fan sucks in air and it comes out on the other side where the metal fins are. I luckily have the room to spare for such a card (but not the cash!) but I can see how this would be a problem for some gamers. Watch ATi introduce a card with similar (or better performance) that takes up 0 pci slots. ;) I\'m sure someone like Zalman or Thermaltake will create a massive heatsink/pipe solution that will be less intrusive and loud.
Either way Anand is saying this is the new 9700pro; it\'ll treat current gamers as well as being competitive 2-3 years from now.
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Sure - it is impressive, but it\'s engineering is god-awful. I remember reading somewhere that they recommended at least a good 350 watt PS - which means a lot of people, will end up having to buy a new PS also...
That said - if it\'s aound $500 - 600 at launch, count me in.
Edit - Tom\'sHardware says it needs at least a 480WTT PS. Jesus. Maybe count me out, as my brand new PS is 450 WTT\'s and I\'m not sure I want to upgrade something that won\'t be a full three months old by the time this comes out..
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WAYYY to large for my likes. its just overkill. I\'m sure other cards will come out that will be smaller, and most likely not require so much juice.
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anyone who puts card in the 1st PCI slot is a damn fool
get over it guys, its a moot point
oh, and technology doesnt cater to you
the ultra will be 499$, the non ultra will be 299$
most reviews were done on a 430-450w power supply and no problems
ati will show its tits in may, too late
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I saw it on tech TV :surprised: and thought Jeebsus it takes 2 power plugs and is that thick....... heck no! I\'ll stick with my 9700Pro. I thought my 9700 pro took up alot of power!
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NVIDIA themselves state that a 480W power supply is required. Two power connectors are required because a single wire is not able to provide the full supply to the board, so you should also consider that two lines directly from the PSU should be used for the NV40 and not a single line split.
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Originally posted by mm
anyone who puts card in the 1st PCI slot is a damn fool
get over it guys, its a moot point
oh, and technology doesnt cater to you
the ultra will be 499$, the non ultra will be 299$
most reviews were done on a 430-450w power supply and no problems
ati will show its tits in may, too late
Exactly - while the requirements are massive, new technology always is and guess what? Early adopters pay for it. You pay for it out the ass , to be honest.
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ATi\'s offering will probably be faster with prettier graphics, and more economic power-wise. I\'ll definitely wait.
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It\'ll be interesting to see what ATI\'s offering is . It is going to take a lot to impress people after see\'ing this. I think the biggest thing ATI needs to focus on is matching the specs and making the package a lot smaller . I don\'t see how they will be able to come down in price though, both high end cards should be around the $500 mark, which for the hardcore is A-OK and the companies know it. Where as the low end model would be around $250 - $300.
Here\'s to the next generation of video-card wars! Just glad I\'m back in the PC world to see this one... I\'ll be picking up my 9800 XT here in about two weeks, but when both parties show their newest stuff, I know I\'ll end up upgrading . \'Tis the price you pay for the newest stuff and being an early adopter.
Buggy hardware, buggy drivers and a nice new video card. Ah, the bliss.
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http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27394
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Thanks for the link, MM - that\'s interesting to say the least. Do we have a firm release date? I can\'t find one for the life of me, \'cept for "in around 45 days" - if I could get an exact release date, I would try and average it out so I can see if I am finishing this PC about the time the card comes out, if that is the case, I\'d go ahead and pick it up instead of my 9800 XT. -shrugs-
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http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=681&s=2
Pictures of all the different manufactor\'s boards and bundles./
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most reviews were done on a 430-450w power supply and no problems
ati will show its tits in may, too late
Thats really funny since 6800 will be in stores AFTER the X800\'s
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Asus is making a model with zero PCI footprint.
http://www.frazpc.pl/komentarz/10396
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Crikey! nVidia finallly raises the bar in their favor. Look at those benchmarks of the 6800 trouncing the 9800xt
It\'s about time Nvidia got there ass back in shape, oh and you can thank ATI for that. Now while the 6800U is all fine and dandy let\'s remember 2 things.
1) this is nothing more than a paper launch, keeping in mind we are comparing a 2 year old Generation chip (9800XT) to a brand new Nvidia one.
2) Intel and likewise Nvidia are known to do what are called "paper launches" they announce all about there new product, show some pretty graphs etc, but it takes a month or usually more for it to show up.
ATI like AMD don\'t do paper launches, they announce it, then its soon out (few weeks tops)
NDA liftis supposed be the 26th and the 4th retail availability. End of may for the XT.
Another issue I would like to discuss, since nothing has been confirmed(NDA is still pending) the X800 pro it ATI\'s upper mid level card, while the X800XT is there cream dela crop-which is meant to go head to head with the 6800U,
Gforce 6800 Vs X800 Pro
Gforce 6800U Vs X800 XT
the X800XT is going to have somewhere in the range between 520-590mhz, due to the Low-K allowing for higher clock frequency.
As for the GDDR3 ram from Micron(insiders say that Micron has had much better yeilds than "Samsung+Nvidia", apparently it will be clocked somewhere in the range of 580-600MHZ,
Anyhow we will have to wait see "what is what: until then it\'s all speculation.
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and they\'ll be to expensive for most people to buy.. I\'ll just get a 9800 card. :)
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and they\'ll be to expensive for most people to buy.. I\'ll just get a 9800 card
The nvidia will probably be the most expensive, due to it\'s massive Power requirements. Alot of people do not have 450W+up PSU. So joe Blow goes to purchase his 6800U and then relizes he\'s got to buy a new PSU on top of that, "ouch"
Side note: Souly better get your 9800 Pro soon becuase they are going to run out of stock fast, my friend, well at least here in US/CANADA. Production has stopped for both 9800 and XT
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1st of all, joe blow is NOT going to drop 500$ on a top of the line video card
its for ENTHUSIASTS
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its for ENTHUSIASTS
Agreed, but mm enthusiasts are also the same people whom have 3 cd drive bays, 4 HDD etc... and considering the NV40 requires 2 separate--Unused molex contectors, you get the point.
Personally The NV40\'s Power requirements are simply not a problem for my PC, considering the 657 watt PSu I have, but alot of people on the NV forums are bitching about having to buy a new PSU.
Also mm keep in mind most people still think Antec, Enermax, Vantec are good psu, LOL
"PC POWER and COOLING"
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if a computer user has 3 optical drives and 4 hdd\'s, he is a fool for not already having a 500w power supply
better yet, they are a fool for having all that shit
"LOL:rolleyes:
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excuses, excuses, I bet you would just love to bend over for Intel and Nvidia.
Hey mm while you are at it, might as well get there logo tattooed on your ass, LOL!!!
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You\'re a complete idiot. You argue about the power supply unit and then Joe Blow, MM knocked that arguement down, so you go on some half-ass rant.
You my friend, are one of the typical forum trolls who read something, then try to rehash it and repeat it , without actually having a single true thought in your head.
The card will be out in around 40 days. It\'s not a paper launch, manufactors are already making boards as you can tell by the pictures provided.. ATI still needs to show what they have. Get a grip.
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You\'re a complete idiot. You argue about the power supply unit and then Joe Blow, MM knocked that argument down,
What are you smoking? Let’s take a closer look at this.
#1) I suggest you take some time to read around NVIDIA forums, you "know" the people whom this card is targeted towards. You will notice that many of them are worried about weather or not they have sufficient power to run the card. These are after all the enthusiasts-remeber Nvidia is recommending 480W
The card will be out in around 40 days. It\'s not a paper launch
You obviously are a console gamer, as it\'s clear that you do not have any understanding of the computer world. Oh boy here we go
#1 you just stated the card will be available in 40 days(which by the way there is no confirmed date of release), therefore since the NV40 will not be available for well over a month, what you see here is called a paper launch. If you actually followed the PC gpu world you would see NVIDIA is notorious for there paper launches "FX LINE" ring a bell.
Now ATI on the other hand is known to first manufacture there cards, then do an official release. Makes allot more sense, that is the reason why ATI has not lifted the NDA\'s yet, they want to have the cards within a week to retailers after official launch. NVIDIA of course had decided to paper launch there card
manufactures are already making boards as you can tell by the pictures provided.
Those boards genius all of them were manufactured in the USA, using A1 silicon why do you think that is. Sigh...
You\'re a complete idiot
oh I see you took a look at yourself in the mirror, seems you are the one whom needs to get his facts straight, NEXT time "Living in Clip before you come in and decided to attack someone please make sure you have a leg to stand on.
MM knocked that argument down
How so, this was his response " a computer user has 3 optical drives and 4 hdd\'s, he is a fool for not already having a 500w power supply"
I disagree let\'s dive into this for a moment. the average PSU in the enthusasits PC is usally a 450W PSU. Now Antec, Enermax, Vantec etc..rate there PSU incorreclty(they are rated at 24c for that power, when the typical temp for a psu is 42c, also the maximum power rating of an ATX spec-compliant PSU, in watts, has nothing to do with whether the current it delivers to its various rails will be stable or not. Remember the NV40 requires 2 molex connectors-unused.(meaning they can not be attached to anything else, other wise you have to much a fluctuation in power) Enthusasts are the people with multiple HDD, cd drives, lights fans etc... it\'s important how stable a PSU is at delivering current on each of the 2 rails that connect to the NV40, this can be a big problem for a good number of people whom can not meet the requirment. So mm, certainly he did not blow away or knock down my argument, because there is validation towards my argument. As for my comment towards him about Intel and NVIDIA he knows exactly what I WAS DRIVING AT.
One more thing, NV40\'s Power requirement is not very friendly to OEM\'s whom see the PQ being more of a risk take.
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Of course you do mm, Nvidia and intel are always perfect no matter what screrw up\'s they make:eyemouth: :eyemouth: :eyemouth:
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Ryu wasn\'t arguing with you bud.
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It\'s ok, I\'m just on his mind because I got up in his face about him misspelling "valve" a few times in the thread LiC locked. It\'s alright though, made me laugh quite a bit. ;)
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I\'m just waiting for him to edit it :laughing:
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yeah, nvidia256 is great for a laugh
he\'s an "open mouth, insert foot" kinda guy
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1 you just stated the card will be available in 40 days(which by the way there is no confirmed date of release), therefore since the NV40 will not be available for well over a month, what you see here is called a paper launch. If you actually followed the PC gpu world you would see NVIDIA is notorious for there paper launches "FX LINE" ring a bell.
(1) I do frequent the NV forums and second, it was on Nvidia\'s own homepage that the card was suppose to ship in 45 days . So, that is an offical announcement.
I suggest you take some time to read around NVIDIA forums, you "know" the people whom this card is targeted towards. You will notice that many of them are worried about weather or not they have sufficient power to run the card. These are after all the enthusiasts-remeber Nvidia is recommending 480W
Give me a break. This card is aimed for power users and power users already have a PSU that will be A-OK or they will upgrade. Yea, people are bitching and moaning, but they always do when something doesn\'t go exactly their way. But guess what, it\'ll sell a ton and in six months no one will care about this whole two molex conncetor nonsense.
[Quote[ One more thing, NV40\'s Power requirement is not very friendly to OEM\'s whom see the PQ being more of a risk take.
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You know what will happen? High performance gaming machines by Alienware (already being pre-sold) and other companies will just have the option to include a larger PSU. Almost every company who does online ordering has a form where you can pick your parts / upgrade your parts. No big deal at all. This $500 dollar videocard is not going to be in your typical DELL system just like a 9800XT is not in a typical Dell system .
Now ATI on the other hand is known to first manufacture there cards, then do an official release. Makes allot more sense, that is the reason why ATI has not lifted the NDA\'s yet, they want to have the cards within a week to retailers after official launch. NVIDIA of course had decided to paper launch there card
It\'s called showing your guns first and hyping a product. If you had a clue about how any business is ran, you would understand this... Nvidia right now has the hype and attention, which is a great thing for the company. They get the hype going and now everyone eithers buys into it or waits for ATI to show their guns...
If you actualy had a clue and quit assuming people do not follow the CPU / GPU and whole PC hardware scene, you would be a lot more convincing, instead, once again, you come off as an ignorant troll who is clueless as to what is going on. Instead, you just want to repeat what you have heard on some message board and when that fails, try to come up with nonsense about "tattooing Intel and Nvidia\'s logo on your ass" .
Give it a break.
Oh and Ryu - I didn\'t lock a thread...
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It\'s ok, I\'m just on his mind because I got up in his face about him misspelling "valve" a few times in the thread LiC locked
Yeah perfect example of your trolling behavior. yet last thread you were calling me one, hmmmmm
Ryu wasn\'t arguing with you bud
Please elaborate how you saw his post not counter-argumentive towards mine. We are waiting......
laugh all you want, I made my point and stuck to my word.
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You lack to argue opinion, instead of arguing fact... There\'s a big difference..
:)
And the fact is, no one can say how the GPU race is going to go, as we don\'t have ATI\'s showing yet, but one thing can be said, the 6800 Ultra as of this moment, is the most impressive card to the public.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
Please elaborate how you saw his post not counter-argumentive towards mine. We are waiting......
laugh all you want, I made my point and stuck to my word.
Because you quoted LIC when you said it. Jesus, you really need to read.
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Yeah perfect example of your trolling behavior. yet last thread you were calling me one, hmmmmm
It must be the Batman avatar thing. That\'s the only way I can explain your animosity towards me, RYU, for something someone else, Living-In-Clip, said. Who would have thought having similar avatars would produce THIS much hilarity? I was actually going to change it, but now, it\'s just too funny to me.
Oh and Ryu - I didn\'t lock a thread...
My mistake. I assumed incorrectly. :)
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It\'s called showing your guns first and hyping a product. If you had a clue about how any business is ran, you would understand this... Nvidia right now has the hype and attention, which is a great thing for the company. They get the hype going and now everyone eithers buys into it or waits for ATI to show their guns..
how do they buy into it when ati will have there card out first in store shelves, huh? you say smart business, fair enough, but I will refute that and say even smarter business is making sure you have produced enough boards for retailers, then officially release your card , as ATI plans to do. So when the reviews fire-up online within the next week you can actually go and buy the ATI card, unlike the NVIDIA which you will have to wait. Also we have yet to see how powerful the X800XT is.
Second showing ones guns first is not always the wisest thing to do, "cough" remember the FX line. Ati keep there months shut, about the rx300 core while NVIDIA braged on end about the superiority of there fx line. What did that do instead it put out more heat on NVIDIA when the Fx failed to compete with the 9700pro
If you actualy had a clue and quit assuming people do not follow the CPU / GPU and whole PC hardware scene, you would be a lot more convincing,
Convining like you were. After you are all the guy saying Nvidia did not paper launch there NV40, yet you acuse me of assuming you do not undestand the whole nature of the pc/gpu world.
You know what will happen? High performance gaming machines by Alienware (already being pre-sold) and other companies will just have the option to include a larger PSU. Almost every company who does online ordering has a form where you can pick your parts / upgrade your parts. No big deal at all. This $500 dollar videocard is not going to be in your typical DELL system just like a 9800XT is not in a typical Dell system .
My point was that ATI\'s offering will be more tempting to OEM\'s than NVIDIA\'s, do you not agree
Give me a break. This card is aimed for power users and power users already have a PSU that will be A-OK or they will upgrade
I guarantee you many people whom are willing to buy high end cards will not all meet the requirement. Don\'t forget lot\'s of people with 550w also have to power there water cooling set-up, etc... Are you telling me a good portion of people whom own 5950U, 9800xt/pro etc.. all have beffy 500w psu, that my friend is BS, cause if you read alot of people sytem spec you will see 400-450 is the average unit people have.
The extra Power requirement for the NV40 is not a major mistake, but it\'s certainly not the best course of action. That\'s all i\'m saying in regards to that. U sit here and defned it, as if it were the best decsion NVIDIA made
suppose to ship in 45 days
remember that is a target date, yet I feel they will have to meet it\'s deadline. Also you said earler 40 days, I too immedatly went to http://www.nvidia.com to verify it
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oh shit you both have batman avatars, ok that is confusing i will have to make that correction, and I must agree it is kind of funny.
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LOL. Ok, NOW I\'ll change it. :)
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is it just me, or did nvidia256 basically say nothing in the above post?
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s it just me, or did nvidia256 basically say nothing in the above post?
aww I basically said that i would correct the mistake I made between RYU and LIC.
oh and by the way mm, if your bitching becuase of my short post, looks who is talking my friend. Ex: 1)Agreed, agreed etc..
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oh, and your hardware knowledge is shit. please stop pasting what you read on other forums
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oh, and your hardware knowledge is shit. please stop pasting what you read on other forums
talk about comedy, MR INTEL/RAMBUS boy come on mm, tell us all about pres-hot, I bet it bakes cakes better than AMD hmmmm....
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Hype, you\'d think people would learn from it. A lot of people get burnt from it. Evil stuff it is.