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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: luckee on April 15, 2004, 07:04:29 PM
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What a crock of shit IMO. Does this guy not have anything better to do?
Dear Senator Kerry:
Since it has become clear that you will probably be the Democratic nominee for President, I have spent a great deal of time researching your war record and your record as a professional politician. The reason is simple; you aspire to be the Commander-in-Chief who would lead my sons and their fellow soldiers in time of war. I simply wanted to know if you possess the necessary qualifications to be trusted in that respect.
You see, I belong to a family of proud U.S. veterans. I was a Captain in the Army Reserve, my father was a decorated Lieutenant in World War II, and I have four sons who have either served, or are currently serving in the military. The oldest is an Army Lieutenant still on active duty in Afghanistan after already being honored for his service in Iraq. The youngest is an E-4
with the military police. His National Guard unit just finished their second tour of active duty, including six months in Guantanamo Bay. My two other sons have served in the National Guard and the Navy.
In looking at your record I found myself comparing it not only to that of my father and my sons, but to the people they served with. My father served with the 87th Chemical Mortar Battalion in Europe. They landed on Utah Beach and fought for 317 straight days including the Cherbourg Peninsula, Aachen, the Heurtgen Forest, and the Battle of the Bulge. You received a Silver Star in Vietnam for chasing down and finishing off a wounded and retreating enemy soldier. My father earned a Bronze Star for single handedly charging and knocking out a German machine gun nest that had his men pinned down. You received three purple hearts for what appear to be three minor scratches. In fact, you only missed a combined total of two days of duty for these wounds. The men of my father\'s unit, the 87th, had to be admonished by their commanding officer because: "It has been brought to our attention that some men are covering up wounds and refusing medical attention for fear
of being evacuated and permanently separated from this organization...." It was also a common problem for seriously wounded soldiers to go AWOL from hospitals in order to rejoin their units. You used your three purple hearts to leave Vietnam early.
My oldest boy came home from Iraq with numerous commendations and then proceeded to volunteer to go to Afghanistan and from there back to Iraq again. My sons and father have never had anything but the highest regard and respect for their fellow soldiers. Yet, you came home to publicly charge our fighting men with being war criminals and to urge their defeat by the enemy. You even wrote a book that had a cover which mocked the heroism of the United States Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima. Our current crop of soldiers has a philosophy that no one gets left behind, and they have practiced that from Somalia to the battlefields of the Middle East. Yet as chairman of a Senate committee looking into allegations that many of your fellow servicemen had been left behind as prisoners in Vietnam, you chose to defend the brutal Vietnamese regime. You even went so far as to refer to the families of the POWs and MIAs as professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime store Rambos.
As a Senator you voted against the 1991 Gulf War, and have repeatedly voted against funds to supply our troops with the best equipment, and against money to improve our intelligence capability. I find this particularly ironic since as a Presidential candidate you are highly critical of our pre-war intelligence in Iraq. However, you did vote to authorize the President to go to
war, but have since proceeded to do everything you can to undermine the efforts of our government and our troops to win. Is this what our fighting men and women can expect of you if you are their Commander-in-Chief? Will you gladly send them to war, only to then aid the enemy by undermining the morale of our troops and cutting off the weapons they need to win?
Our country is at war, Senator, and as has been the case in every war since the American Revolution, a member of my family is serving their country during the war. Now you want me to trust you to lead my sons in this fight.
Sorry Senator, but when I compare your record to those who have fought and died for this nation, and are currently fighting and dying, the answer is not just no, but Hell No!
Sincerely,
Michael Connelly
Dallas, Texas
February 14, 2004
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He does make good points... Specifically about Kerry\'s stance on the war.
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what other good points do you think he made?
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Well Kerry presents himself as a true veteran, yet he lacks the patriotic spirit that most of them have (i.e. the guy that wrote this letter)
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The patriotic spirit of downplaying one of his fellow veterens and decorations? That is just low. Hell, it would have been better if a non-military person wrote that letter, at least it could be chaulked up to ignorance.
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That letter is very relevant to his record as a veteran and a politician.
Since his political record is more important I strongly feel that he contributed to the problem leading up to 9/11. Just take a look at his voting record.
As for his military service - I do find it laughable that he received a silver star for chasing down a wounded enemy who was retreating and finishing him off. Must have been the connections his family had ;)
The author of the letter is clearly retired - so no I guess he doesn\'t have anything "better" to do.
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Well it was a good read for me, learned a lot about the man. He seems pretty intelligent hearing him speak, bur after learning of the things above he seems much more fake.
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At least he didn\'t duck out of Vietnam like a certain other president I know of :p
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shocky..that was my whole point in a way.
This guy is from the big D, Texas...so more than likely a bush supporter. I wonder what he thinks about Mr. Georges war record.....
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At least Bush is willing to spend on defense and the military.
It\'s funny, my dad is in the military and doesn\'t really think Bush is the ideal president, however because he is in the military he just has to vote republican.
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Uhm..despite what debate and the media tells you...dem\'s really arent a big problem in spending on our proud men and women dood. Let\'s look at the facts, Bush is fighting with Clinton\'s military. Democrats are not afraid to buy new weapons and go to war. Hell, Clinton had more military deployments under his belt (Somolia, Haiti, East Timor, Operation Desert Fox, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc.) than any non-watime President
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Originally posted by luckee
Uhm..despite what debate and the media tells you...dem\'s really arent a big problem in spending on our proud men and women dood. Let\'s look at the facts, Bush is fighting with Clinton\'s military. Democrats are not afraid to buy new weapons and go to war. Hell, Clinton had more military deployments under his belt (Somolia, Haiti, East Timor, Operation Desert Fox, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc.) than any non-watime President
Clinton downsized the military dude. Also his military actions were UN actions for the most part.
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And from what I understand, he still didnt have to do so correct?
Yes, billy did downsize the military, but big projects and high tech funding still continued as usual. Clinton closed some bases and such. Like the failing Patriot ssytem that STILL does not work properly.
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Sure he had to do them according to our lopsided obligations to the UN we supply the most money and the most troops.
To branch off a little - anyone notice they are investigating the oil for food program that the UN was doing for Saddam? Seems some UN officials from other countries were on the take.
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not surprised at all, damn near everyone is on the take with damn near everything that involves money and valuable items. espescially ppl in positions of power.
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Just pointing it out for our European friends who think the UN is the answer to all of the worlds problems.
I say we ditch the UN as it apparent that it is a worthless organization... speaking of which now our (US) Peacekeepers in Kosovo are getting killed by fellow Muslim peacekeepers.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&e=11&u=/nm/20040417/wl_nm/serbiamontenegro_kosovo_shooting_dc
Over an argument about Iraq...
NATO is all we need, but it should be reorganized to include operations outside of its current theater. Make a similiar alliance with our friendly Pacific allies as well and forget about the hollow UN. It really is the successor of the League of Nations in every aspect.
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w0w...i kinda agree with you giga.
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It seems the UN power has dwindled more and more since the Soviet Union failed. The US seems to be the mediator in a lot of conflicts anyway (not to mention the cause).
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Originally posted by Titan
It seems the UN power has dwindled more and more since the Soviet Union failed. The US seems to be the mediator in a lot of conflicts anyway (not to mention the cause).
Ironic isn\'t it? I would have thought NATO would have become more irrelevant considering the Cold War is over, but I agree that the UN has become just like most other political entities - corrupt. This is the precise reason why NATO is growing and the UN is dwindling - NATO is an alliance not based on politics, but rather mutual security. In this day and age security is now the number one concern as opposed to the perceived threat of communist expansion. The UN isn\'t equipped for fighting terrorism as some of the member countries in the General Assembly secretly sponsor terrorism.
None of our current politicans (in office or running) has the guts to say the UN doesn\'t work. Bush has backed off from bypassing the UN and is now begging them for help - politics at its finest. :rolleyes:
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i find it funny that he asks for help from them and who ever else, yet disregarded what anyone had to say last year.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Well Kerry presents himself as a true veteran, yet he lacks the patriotic spirit that most of them have (i.e. the guy that wrote this letter)
Anyone questioning Kerry and his war stance is ignorant
Bush + DIck-the-chained faggats didn\'t do any army time .. "At All" yet they send the boys over to fight their dirty wars in some foreign country...
Kerry should be a fuken Admiral compared to slackers Dick + Bush.
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Originally posted by Toxical
Anyone questioning Kerry and his war stance is ignorant
Bush + DIck-the-chained faggats didn\'t do any army time .. "At All" yet they send the boys over to fight their dirty wars in some foreign country...
Kerry should be a fuken Admiral compared to slackers Dick + Bush.
I have read all of this retards posts and have come to this concluson:
1. He needs to learn how to spell.
2. He is14 :laughing:
3. He uses a lot of profanity in a desperate effort to make a point.
Technically Bush did serve in the armed forces - so your facts are wrong. Kerry is noted for flip flopping on issues, which I am sure you haven\'t read. Do everyone a favor and stop posting here until you can come up with an intelligent opinion. Ignorant? I think you just described yourself.
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Technically Bush did serve in the armed forces - so your facts are wrong. Kerry is noted for flip flopping on issues, which I am sure you haven\'t read. Do everyone a favor and stop posting here until you can come up with an intelligent opinion. Ignorant? I think you just described yourself.
Or did he? ;)
http://www.awolbush.com/ teh o1d, I know. :D
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Fastson, note the key word "technically". He did serve in the armed forces but didn\'t really do much.
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Technically all you Bush jock riders shoudl STFU.
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You should STFU. You posted in old topics that are dead and over with with nothing but unintelligent, ignorant Bush bashing.
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Can we get a moderator in here... really - its one thing to debate current issues, but this is pointless - why bring up old, dead completely debated topics?
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Can we get a moderator in here... really - its one thing to debate current issues, but this is pointless - why bring up old, dead completely debated topics?
If you don’t\' want to debate the topic, why post in this thread?
You are just like Bush ;) can\'t debate or come up with anything good, so you try to silence the opposition...
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What is your problem, kid?
Can you not post in here without foul language?
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or blind ignorance?
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Well...
First off, that guy\'s name sounds familiar. I don\'t know why but it does...(the one who wrote the letter)
It\'s funny how people are bitching about Kerry\'s change of mind. The way I see it, the whole "flip-flopping" is just really "changing his mind" Is there anything wrong with changing your mind to something as you see fit? No, and to top it off, nobody listens to his explanations. Why? "It\'s a bunch of BS anyways...b/c Bush says so"
Bush\'s people bitched about Kerry\'s war record
Bush doesn\'t have a war record
Bush ditched the UN
Bush wants the UN to help
Bush promised to capture Bin Laden
Bush captured Hussain
Bush promised more education funding
Bush cut the education budget
Actions are more important than words...
Down with Bush
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Well...
It\'s funny how people are bitching about Kerry\'s change of mind. The way I see it, the whole "flip-flopping" is just really "changing his mind" Is there anything wrong with changing your mind to something as you see fit? No, and to top it off, nobody listens to his explanations. Why? "It\'s a bunch of BS anyways...b/c Bush says so"
The problem is Kerry manipulated his stance on Vietnam for personal political gains - nothing more. Protesting the war was a popular thing to do at the time. Ask many Vietnam vets of what they think of John F. Kerry and you will see he is almost as unpopular as Jane Fonda.
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On an unrelated note, lets all welcome our newest mod: GigaShadow
Congrats...
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I had posted a few posts this morning as usual and all of a sudden I noticed I was a mod. Thanks Ash! Also thanks to Shockwaves for moderating that mess last night in a prompt and diplomatic manner.
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Originally posted by Ashford
On an unrelated note, lets all welcome our newest mod: GigaShadow
Congrats...
How and why did that happen?
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Cause I said so...
No, j/k...
(Posted by me in the Staff forum)
Where are the mods?
In one day, Toxical has flooded it with profanity and insults and just plain bitching...
If the current 3 are too busy to check in on a daily basis, perhaps we should consider GigaShadow, Titan, a frequent visitor or another current mod for moderator...
mm just needed a second recommendation but Giga got 5 so here he is...
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Giga deserves it. I would be flattered if I was a mod but not sure how good of a job I did. Thanks for considering me though.
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Kerry, as well as every other politician use inapropiate things to their advantage.
These things, including military service, have very little actual importance.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Kerry, as well as every other politician use inapropiate things to their advantage.
These things, including military service, have very little actual importance.
Agreed - look at Eisenhower - good general - bad president.