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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: theomen on April 21, 2004, 08:11:19 PM
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Why is it that anytime we get a thread with a good argument going it gets closed? The damn Weed argument was just getting started, and I never got to get it on it. Are we supposed to just hold hands and pick flowers together? Because it seems like anytime their is a bit of disagreement between members, it is shut down instead of spawing a good heated debate.
Damn hippies
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Nazi\'s is what they are.
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Let\'s start over...
Marijuana legal?! Ha, yeah and then pigs will fly.
I\'m not making the choice for anybody. They can get high and crap on their own pants for all I give a damn. You people just don\'t realize that for every God damn joint you assholes buy, there is some God damn ****ing drug dealer selling even harder shit on some other kid who doesn\'t know what the **** he is getting into. The next day, the dude is dead from a damn overdose of heroin. And all because you gave the damn money to "enjoy" life that allowed the drug dealer to afford the more expensive heroin that sold it to that kid. If marijuana was to be legalized then so would crack, cocain, heroin and all that other bullshit people need to feel like their worth something on this earth.
You can puff and light up all the weed you want. You just don\'t realize the shit that you are causing. Using a plant to feel better about yourself. Please why don\'t you actually excercise and look better. You call Swifdi somebody who sits on their ass all day. Please I would be surprised if your lungs could take you walking to your damn restroom to smoke another joint so your mom won\'t see it.
And you know what else is annoying? Those damn pot heads who talk and talk about how they get high every damn day. And then argue that it isn\'t bad for you. Yeah, make sure you put that in writing so that your family can read it on your dead bed after you crash into a tree at 80 mph because you were too busy rolling a joint that you desperately need because your girlfriend just dumped you for somebody that actually feels good about themselves without smoking pot.
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God your acting like its the center of lifes problems. Nobody rolls a j driving at 80 mph. Alcohol is much more dangerous than weed period.
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I\'ll agree that alcohol is much more dangerous than weed, but I\'m not a big fan of alchohol either, but to say that weed is without ramifications is completly false. (not pointing at you, but someone said in the other thread, that it wasn\'t all that bad for you) I personally would never do it for my athletic reasons, and I dislike the idea of loosing any bit of my faculties.
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Weed is just as dangerous as alcohol when someone is driving. I\'ve had first-hand experience with a dumb-ass friend, and both substances make people drive like sh*t. My friend just got arrested for DUI and he was trying to convince me to let him drive me. Turns out, his BAC was over 3.0. Drugs and alcohol suck ass.
And saying that weed isn\'t bad for you just makes you ignorant. That\'s an urban myth or some crap. Go look up the side effects sometime and you\'ll definitely be surprised.
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the danger I was refering to was liver cirosis is more prevelant than lung cancer from weed. But both alter your reflexes and judgment
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Alcohol and weed are the same in the danger level. You can\'t argue against it. Period. Why? Because alcohol and weed both affect the nerves and the judgement of any person who decides to take them. Alcohol is legal because it\'s prohibition has caused many problems and unlike marijuana, it didn\'t lead to the allowance of other more dangerous substances. Legalizing marijuana will only lead to legalizing cocain, legalizing heroin and so on.
You don\'t realize that everytime you buy weed you are affecting somebody else indirectly or even directly. I don\'t really give a shit about somebody else\'s decision to live their lifes covered with smoke, but when it deals with having other people suffer the consequences, that\'s when the shit starts. I\'ve seen it happen. It\'s always on the news. It\'s been proven.
It\'s not that it\'s a myth. You just refuse to see it in order to keep your satisfaction as safe and as acceptable as possible. Eventhough it\'s all in your head.
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weed is bad for you, especially in large quantities
glorify it all you want
weed the the gateway drug. to call it anything else is ignorant
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What the heck is your problem man! Why do you have to use the Lords name in vain. What did God ever do to you.
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Weed helps with my Glaucoma and helps me get my appetite back after chemotherapy.
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They are getting a little delete/close happy.
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Originally posted by ViVi
God your acting like its the center of lifes problems. Nobody rolls a j driving at 80 mph. Alcohol is much more dangerous than weed period.
No, but they roll it first and then go drive 80 mph...
And don\'t look at me...
I didn\'t close it...
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Hey my post got deleted... I guess some pothead mod did it. :(
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Originally posted by mm
weed the the gateway drug. to call it anything else is ignorant
Sorry, but that\'s absurd. Anyone who has tried marajuana knows how ridiculous it is. Those who have never tried it are the ones who keep repeating this fantasy. It\'s rather silly actually.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Sorry, but that\'s absurd. Anyone who has tried marajuana knows how ridiculous it is. Those who have never tried it are the ones who keep repeating this fantasy. It\'s rather silly actually.
You can continue to tell yourself that but some of my friends would smoke weed once a week. Then it turned to every day on the weekend. Then after that it become every day, and now has turned into shrooms and x.
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Please refrain from using the Lord\'s name in vain. Also, please refrain from using any vuglar language inside a thread title, due to the fact we have minors who surf this web-forum. We also would apperciate if you, the regular posters, would quit posting topics about illegal drugs, we, the mangement of Psx2central.com, in no way endorse the use of illegal drugs.. Finally, do not question us or our acts. We are right in everything we do, when it comes to closing threads , deleting post or any act of supreme punishment.
Thank you,
L-i-C
:)
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^ I believe this news.
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can I still make fun of Canadians?
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As an American, it is your duty to make fun of anyone not American...
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because they are inferirior
now back to making fun of weedies
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Sorry, but that\'s absurd. Anyone who has tried marajuana knows how ridiculous it is. Those who have never tried it are the ones who keep repeating this fantasy. It\'s rather silly actually.
You want to come to aus, and tell that to my countless mates that started on marijuana. To end up on harder stuff, simple fact is most drugies start on this drug and end wanting something else to try.
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now it\'s not very common that i agree with souly, but weed opens the door for the next level
noone starts on coke, or heroin, crack, etc
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RAND Corp Report: Marijuana use among adolescents does not appear to act as a "gateway" leading to the use of harder drugs such as cocaine and heroin. (http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20021202-030109-4556r)
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lol nice try
two quotes that cuts that down
adolescents
His team used surveys on drug use from 1982 to 1994
HELLO 10-20 YEARS AGO!
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http://marijuana.drug-culture.com/history/marijuana-gateway-drug.asp
http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/marijuana-gateway-drug.htm
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/record2010.24.html
u know, i could post countless more..
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Originally posted by mm
lol nice try
two quotes that cuts that down
HELLO 10-20 YEARS AGO!
What\'s your point? The data is invalid because it was collected in the past? All scientific studies are based on historic data. There is a certain physical and adminstrative limit on the ability to collect raw data for projects like this. Are you saying that the drug habits of marijuana users have done a 180 degree change in the last 10 years?
Also, what\'s your problem with a study about adolescents? Somehow their theoretical behavior in graduating from one drug to the next is entirely different from adults? Me no think so.
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exactly
they fukn interviewed kids some 15 years ago and said, "hey, is pot a gateway drug?"
wtf are they supposed to say?
:rolleyes:
Are you saying that the drug habits of marijuana users have done a 180 degree change in the last 10 years?
you\'re damn right they have
saying every pot smoker will escalate to harder drugs is irrational also. i\'m not saying this, but pot IS the doorway
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Just because people who take hard drugs might have also smoked weed doesn\'t mean everyone who does pot is headed for harder drugs.
-Dan
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/agree
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Originally posted by mm
they fukn interviewed kids some 15 years ago and said, "hey, is pot a gateway drug?"wtf are they supposed to say? :rolleyes:
You\'re attacking the methodology of the study without knowing anything about it. You don\'t know what questions they asked without reviewing the report.
you\'re damn right they have
saying every pot smoker will escalate to harder drugs is irrational also. i\'m not saying this, but pot IS the doorway
Yeah right... pot smokers have changed quite a bit in the last 10 years. :laughing: Sorry, but not true. Their behaviors are more stuck in the past than most portions of society.
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im shocked at your lack of observation
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So educate me, unless your fingers are too tired.
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no, my patience is
pot was not gloryfied back in 1990, like it is today. please feel free to discount that.....no? ok
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
http://marijuana.drug-culture.com/history/marijuana-gateway-drug.asp
http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/marijuana-gateway-drug.htm
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/record2010.24.html
u know, i could post countless more..
What makes those studies valid but the one that cored posted invalid?
Originally posted by mm
they fukn interviewed kids some 15 years ago and said, "hey, is pot a gateway drug?"
wtf are they supposed to say?
I may be wrong but I don\'t think there was any mention of interviews in that study. Its a mathematical model based on drug use surveys.
Originally posted by mm
you\'re damn right they have
How have the habits of drug users changed in the last 10 years?
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Originally posted by mm
no, my patience is
pot was not gloryfied back in 1990, like it is today. please feel free to discount that.....no? ok
I don\'t think that\'s true, but even if it is...
It\'s irrelevant to the question of whether smoking pot leads to using to harder drugs.
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aye, because it does
i hate repeating myself...
noone starts on coke, or heroin, crack, etc
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Marijuana use is actually lower than it was a few years ago. Usage rose during the 90\'s but never came close to usage statistics from the late 70\'s.
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you go around asking people?
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Originally posted by mm
noone starts on coke, or heroin, crack, etc
This can be proven false so it is not a fact.
You also said yourself that one does not necessarily lead to the other.
Originally posted by mm
you go around asking people?
Look up some statistics.
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Originally posted by mm
aye, because it does
i hate repeating myself...
Those who use crack, heroin, or cocaine may be people who were ALWAYS predisposed to use any and all drugs available to them. Just because they started with marijuana does not necessarily imply that they were seduced into a life of drug abuse by the treacherous weed. It may only indicate that weed was more convenient to obtain in the beginning, while they were building connections, and then they eventually found their "life\'s calling." That\'s an explanation put forth in the article I posted above.
BTW I know many people who use ONLY weed and do so safely without ever graduating to a harder drug.
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sooooo, your saying it makes it a gateway drug
/boggle
BS (ehhe, nice initials)
im not saying ALL pot smokers escalate. you guys can get off that moot point now, its dead
if someone smokes pot, than tries coke, shrooms, acid, pcp, whatever...
-newsflash- pot was the gateway
omfg! *gasp*
IF they smoke pot thier whole lives, and NEVER try anything else? congrats, give them a fukn cookie for thier efforts. they only killed some brain cells and not ruin thier lives :rolleyes:
pot is THE gateway drug, whether a potsmoker opens that door is up to them
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Read again. You\'re not grasping it.
Calling pot a "gateway" drug implies that the user never would have fallen prey to the harder drugs if they had not been seduced by pot to begin with. It suggests that marijuana is extra dangerous because of this pathway.
I\'m saying that those people who use the harder drugs were not innocent little lambs to begin with. They are"fuked" up nutcases with addictive personalities who would use any drug they can get their hands on. If pot didn\'t exist, they would be using magic markers or pixie sticks, and you\'d be calling THOSE the gateway drugs.
Eliminating pot or making it illegal doesn\'t solve the problem. Removing this supposed "gateway" doesn\'t close to path to harder drugs. In fact it doesn\'t cause any impediment at all to people who long to destroy themselves. Only diagnosis and treatment will do that.
Marijuana by itself is not dangerous if used in moderation, as many of my friends do.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Read again. You\'re not grasping it.
Calling pot a "gateway" drug implies that the user never would have fallen prey to the harder drugs if they had not been seduced by pot to begin with. It suggests that marijuana is extra dangerous because of this pathway.
I\'m saying that those people who use the harder drugs were not innocent little lambs to begin with. They are"fuked" up nutcases with addictive personalities who would use any drug they can get their hands on. If pot didn\'t exist, they would be using magic markers or pixie sticks, and you\'d be calling THOSE the gateway drugs.
err no, because in the mind of most people. Marijuana is a harmless drug that won\'t lead them to anything. Sadly its not true, some people can be more effected then others.
You\'re proving our point. People start normally on Marijuana before any other drug. Just look at all the yound kiddys that start drug use. Its normally on Marijuana, not coke or acid or whatever...
Eliminating pot or making it illegal doesn\'t solve the problem. Removing this supposed "gateway" doesn\'t close to path to harder drugs. In fact it doesn\'t cause any impediment at all to people who long to destroy themselves. Only diagnosis and treatment will do that.
There really isn\'t a solution, make it fully legal and we see it everywhere. Make it illegal and its underground.
Marijuana by itself is not dangerous if used in moderation, as many of my friends do.
key word, moderation.
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Just because you don\'t understand my point doesn\'t mean I\'m proving yours. Lol. Try reading my post again.
Almost anything has a potential for abuse if used in excess. You anti-marijuana forces seem to believe that pot needs to be illegal because it\'s so dangerous. However, there are many other mood enhancers that have a much greater potential for dangerous abuse, such as alcohol. The difference is that alcohol is legal, and the government takes a cut of the sales.
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You don\'t seem to understand ours. Marijuana is a cheap easy to find drug. Its normally easier for kids to get their hands on then alcohol. Here anyway. Hell some kids grow there own, haven\'t seen anyone around my area make their own alcohol..
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Reading through these post Im trying to figure what everyone stand is Let me tell you just cause ETOH is legal doesnt make it ok and pot is not legal cause we dont have a good place to grow large amounts of it in this country.... that my friends is why it is illegal, but on another point I think it not bad if you use it "mediaclly" as a pain reliver in PILL form. We actually have a resident in my facilty that takes it in pill form.
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i can tell you from first hand experince the only reason i tried other drugs is because of pot
someone who says weed isnt a gateway drugs sounds like someone whos tring to rationlize their drug use
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BINGO!!
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Im still standing that in a medical standing and in PILL form it is no different than percocet or darvocet
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The "gateway drug" thing is just a theory. You mean to tell me scientists found out it makes you want to crave other types of drugs with chemicals? Its only the persons willingness to try other things.
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*must resist temptation to insult*
*must resist*
*ack*
:rpissed:
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When weed no longer has the buzz factor.
A more harder drug is searched for, take a guess what they are.
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I don\'t care I love weed. I smoke a little then wait awhile to smoke again so I always get really baked. I can honestly say I\'ll never try anything but weed and shrooms that\'s it.
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well, have a cookie for your efforts
you\'ve only lost some brain cells, and not ruined your life.......
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Are you hating people cause they\'re saying all this stuff about weed? It\'s not like anybody is putting a bong in front of you and telling you to smoke are they?
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pot is THE gateway drug, whether a potsmoker opens that door is up to them
I\'d say curiosity and drug dealers are the real gateways. Kids just want to try it at first. Curiosity. Or someone offers it to them and they\'re tempted in.
Pot is just easier to obtain and widely known to be one of the safest of the illegal drugs, and it\'s also probably one of the cheapest, so it makes for a good first drug experience.
People who smoke pot might be likely to try other drugs, because they\'ve already proven to be the type to try illegal substances to get high, but I don\'t think it\'s pot that influences someone to do it.
The only way I could agree with the gateway term is for cases when someone thought, "well, that didn\'t hurt me. now i\'m ready to try something else!"
And that scenario, I\'m sure that happens quite a lot.
-Dan
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exactly
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Originally posted by Bladez
Are you hating people cause they\'re saying all this stuff about weed? It\'s not like anybody is putting a bong in front of you and telling you to smoke are they?
You know what I really didn\'t want to bring this up but here it goes.
A friend of mine from middle school, where my friends and I first got high, continued to smoke Marijuana. I personally stopped because of sports and other more interested things. Just two months ago he died from an overdose of heroin. An overdose of heroin. Heroin. Two weeks ago I talked to his girlfriend that he\'s been dating since middle school. She told me that during freshman year in high school he began to smoke it alot more. That he really couln\'t do anything without it. And contrary to the claim that marijuana doesn\'t lead to other drugs, you are wrong. You know the reason why he tried heroin for the first time? Exactly what Eiksirf said, he wanted to try something that would dope him even more.
Sad thing is, his girlfriend is becoming a chronic smoker also, and you know how she responded to all this?
I quote:
"I\'ll quit when it seems like I\'m beginning to be like him, besides he just let himself get too into weed"
"Too into weed" Yeah and she smokes everyday...
Don\'t pull all your nuts in one basket. The whole "MJ isn\'t dangerous like all those experts and people who have suffered because of it have led you to believe" is bullcrap. I wouln\'t be surprised if some whack drug dealer in Columbia is laughing at the stupid American boys who decide to make him richer. Good thing huh guys? Maybe that way he can afford to buy those 100 pounds of cocain to distribute in the States also. That way all those cocain addicts can bitch about how cocain isn\'t dangerous and ignore all the facts.
Marijuana has never been as glorified as it is today. And you know why? B/c stupid, very stupid, high school, middle school, college, and middle age people think that it\'s ok for them to get doped once in a while. Nothing will ever happen right? I mean what harm can come from smoking a little pot? Ask that to the people who "smoked a little" then "shot a little" then "sniffed a little" and now are dead.
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again, [size=10]BINGO![/size]
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we playing bingo in here?
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Week minds I tell you. I don\'t believe in the whole gateway thing.
I have smoke weed b4 and am not addicted to it. Last time I smoked a joint was feb03. And when I did it was moderately.
I have been offered other drugs and refused them all. It\'s all in the will power of the person. I smoked a cig out of peer presure and I am not addicted. I hate cigs.
All in the mind I tell you.
p.s. all those close threads where becoming a bitch
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Someone smokes weed and feels it doesn\'t affect them that much or it didn\'t harm them any and they move on to something thinking they handled this just fine, could the next be that bad.
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I bet if mm had a bowl of dro and listened to some music, ate pizza, and other shit like that just once... he wouldn\'t be so anti-weed. But, he is so brainwashed that its death in the form of a plant that he will never experience anything cool ever.
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i dont even think mm\'s anti-weed i think he\'s more anti-ignorant statements
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weed cool. :laughing:
sorry, i don\'t find weed a cool thing to do.
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I would REALLY like to see some "gateway" experiments that test how many hard drug users started with alcohol and/or tobacco.
Aproximate yearly deaths from use:
Alcohol ~65,000
Tobacco ~450,000
Cannabis =0 (IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND)
The fact of the matter is that the war on drugs is prohibition that causes more harm than good. If you think otherwise you have given into the propaganda machine. I just don\'t understand why people actually think this "war" is benefitting anyone but the drugdealers and the heads of the prison system.
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people who reported smoking marijuana once per day, the risk of head and neck cancer was 2.1 times that of someone who never used it, while among those who reported smoking it more than once per day, the risk was 4.9 times that of those who had abstained.
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread4267.shtml
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Originally posted by ViVi
I bet if mm had a bowl of dro and listened to some music, ate pizza, and other shit like that just once... he wouldn\'t be so anti-weed. But, he is so brainwashed that its death in the form of a plant that he will never experience anything cool ever.
What makes weed so "cool"? I have plenty of fun every day without getting high.
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JOP is right on the money
i\'m not anti-weed at all, i\'m highly anti-ignorance
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peolple have always smoked weed..yes we all know this..it just recently became mainstreamed because of some rappers glorifying it & the product appearing in movies "dude wheres my car" bad example..but you get the point...whoever said smokin\' weed is cool is just bein\' juvenille...whether you\'re smokin a little or alot you\'re still doin damage to your body.
that said i prefer a shot of tequila & a corcona..even tho alcohol can be just as dangerous (liver damage)...but like i said in another thread you will never see the pres. or say michael jordan with a nice fat one in a magazine..but you might see them with a martini or mixed drink and nobody would say anything...
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whelp my thread just got closed as well :p..i didn\'t think the pics were that graphic..oh well s\'all good tho..;)
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Unlike some of you "experts" who seem to trust every source outside yourselves, I will post for you my own experiences.
Marijuana is a gateway drug
Not for me it wasn\'t. Started smoking 2-3 Js a month at 21, was up to 2-3 Js a week by 22. Back down to 2-3 Js a month at 23, and now I\'m down to 1-2 Js in a year (I haven\'t smoked since... November sometime).
Marijuana is a health risk
True. Absolutely true. People tend to smoke it unfiltered (although many use filtering systems like a water bong if they are very habitual), and they are getting carcinogens from smoking a plant. But you know what? Nicoteen is processed with harsh chemicals, and is smoked far, far more frequently. Alchohol brings with it a plethora of health issues, and it\'s legal too. Driving excessively fast kills more people than marijuana, and is illegal, but something almost everyone does. Moderation is the name of the game.
If they legalize weed, they must legalize other drugs
Nope. In moderation, marijuana is accompanied by many of the symptoms/effects of drinking. If it were controlled, it would end up in the same boat as drinking. There would be people who abuse it, causing themselves health and social problems. There would be people who would drive high, just like with alchohol. Issues like these don\'t mean the substance cannot be used, it just means these issues need to be addressed. All these issues could be taken care of with simmilar programs to AA and anti-smoking progams, tests are/have been developed to measure THC so that driving under the influence could be more easily identified. The advantage to controlling it would be a huge revenue source for the government, which could go towards social programs, education, law enforcement etc. - which would at the same time remove a source of revenue from drug dealers and other less savoury individuals. They could also control the quality of the marijuana and ensure it\'s purity.
In closing:
I\'ve never driven high. I\'ve never driven drunk. I\'ve never been high in public. I\'ve never caused myself health or social problems through smoking. Drinking for me was more harmfull, as it was a much more costly form of entertainment, and I didn\'t necessarily have the 20-40 bucks a night it takes to go out drinking/clubbing. I smoke cigars, drink alchohol (nothing hard, only beer, and only in moderation), and I used to smoke marijuana. I am in university with a good average, have a good job, and am hoping to enter the law enforcement field in a few years (something that my experiences I believe make me more qualified/ready to do).
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So what you are saying is that, since alcohol is just as bad as marijuana, and it\'s legal. Legalizing yet another substance that would be abused and probably cause more damage like alcohol is the right thing to do?
Moderation?
How many people moderate. Sure you say you smoke 1-3 times a year. How many other pot heads can say that?
And Vivi just said the most important, yet anti-weed statement up to date. Proving that marijuana is nothing more than a statement, "I smoke and tell others that it\'s cool, therefore, I\'m cool"
I wouln\'t oppose MJ for medical purposes. But for pleasure? Nope. Alcohol is already causing too many problems. The difference is that alcohol has already become part of this country. And alcohol is not "legal" until you\'re 21. Most pot heads that I know are still teenagers.
If you are comparing alcohol to marijuana and how alcohol is just like marijuana or worst. When people begin to use marijuana, would that mean that it\'s addictive therefore proving you wrong? If somebody becomes too dependent on MJ, wouln\'t he/she be considered as addicts?
Alcohol has to be manufactured, meet certain standards and then it can be sold. MJ can be grown. You can\'t grow alcohol, therefore the amount of people that has access to marijuana can\'t be limited.
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ummm, you can brew your own beer
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I make "pruno" in a toilet, and it tastes just fine to me!
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
So what you are saying is that, since alcohol is just as bad as marijuana, and it\'s legal. Legalizing yet another substance that would be abused and probably cause more damage like alcohol is the right thing to do?
IMO, more damage is cause by making it illegal.
The benefits of decriminalization greatly outweigh the negatives. You would be hard pressed to prove otherwise.
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Im sorry but alcohol is worse than weed. I never heard of anyone dying from smoking too much(in one night), and driving stoned is different than drunk. Being drunk you dont have good balance and your vision is impiared, weed just makes you zone out (which you can control). Also you can become an alcoholic, and you cant get physically addicted to weed like alcohol.
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^^^Weed, like alcohol, can slow your reaction time which makes it dangerous to use when driving.
Still, Cold medicine can do the same thing.
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physically addicted to alcohol?
:laughing:
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Originally posted by ViVi
Im sorry but alcohol is worse than weed. I never heard of anyone dying from smoking too much(in one night), and driving stoned is different than drunk. Being drunk you dont have good balance and your vision is impiared, weed just makes you zone out (which you can control). Also you can become an alcoholic, and you cant get physically addicted to weed like alcohol.
vivi that\'s just plain ignorant..weed just makes you zone out? :laughing: that you can control? yo,..both alcohol & weed can be dangerous if huge amounts are taken..
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Vivi, you can get addicted to weed. You just can\'t quit. If something makes you "feel good", its not that easy to quit. Like me and chocolate. I love chocolate and I\'m addicted to it. Its not going to be easy for me to stop. It tastes good, just like smoking weed; it makes you feel good.
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I just quit 3 days ago. Parents are drug testing me now. But I don\'t really want it until i see others smoking it.
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I don\'t want it even when i see other people smoking it.. Why is that? ;)
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That would be addiction my friend ;) Its in human nature too. Yeah, I can go a while without chocolate but once I see someone eating it, I gotta have it. Um...I\'ll be right back *buys bag of M&Ms*
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I have the same prob with that stuff we used to eat back in the day, what was it called....oh yeah, pussy.
Had to throw in a Chappel referense
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Originally posted by mm
physically addicted to alcohol?
:laughing:
mm please tell me how you can become physically addicted to alcohol.:laughing:
I don\'t have an addiction to weed at all. As a matter of fact I\'m getting tired of being so damn paranoid all the time. I will say this tho\', for me, when I\'m driving stoned I think I\'m actually a better driver. Both of my hands are on the steering wheel, music is turned down low, eyes are wide open and I\'m actually doing the speed limit. I driver better stoned then when I\'m sober. I know that sounds far fetched and will probably be rediculed but it\'s true. I\'m very cautious when I drive stoned, I don\'t like loud music or a lot of people talking when driving. I like weed cause when I smoke I can sleep a lot better cause I\'m so tired(after stoned for the weed heads). When I smoke my night usually consists of coming home, shower, munch, and watch a movie like Fight Club, Blow, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, ect. then I go to sleep.
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bladez, please check ViVi\'s post for my reference :rolleyes:
I don\'t have an addiction to weed at all.
denial is the 1st warning sign
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Drugs by themselves are not bad mm, it is just how/why people use them that makes them bad....
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Bladez you have a boring life.
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Well I live in Iowa...can you blame me?
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Originally posted by ViVi
Bladez you have a boring life.
So let\'s all get high and be cool!!
Why don\'t we just get together and play football...except you Vivi, your lungs might fall apart if you try to exercise.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Bladez you have a boring life.
ViVi=:cool:
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FYI: I feel ten times dumber after reading all of Vivi\'s posts.
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If they legalized marijuana, vivi would need to be their spokesperson -- just like the heads of the tobacco company. We\'ll see him at a trial one of these days after marijuana is the reported cause for a ton of different deaths and he\'ll tell them all, right to their faces
"Hey, they couldn\'t hold their smoke!"
"It\'s not my fault they have virgin lungs!"
"People should learn how to drive high!"
"I will not be blamed for those who claim to be addicts as weed is not addicitve unless you see someone else smoking it!"
"All you people who don\'t smoke, you fools ain\'t cool, yo!"
I swear that with some of the things you say, vivi, I\'m starting to believe less and less that you are an actual person and are instead some type of bot programmed to say the dumbest shit on Earth.
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Originally posted by Ryu
"All you people who don\'t smoke, you fools ain\'t cool, yo!"
That\'s my favorite.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
So let\'s all get high and be cool!!
Why don\'t we just get together and play football...except you Vivi, your lungs might fall apart if you try to exercise.
I ran a 6:42 mile today, and ran a quarter mile with someone on my back and was the 3rd person to finish. Shut your mouth, because you dont know me.
And Bladez, I go to Iowa once a year. So I know how it is lol
Ever heard of Wappelo or Fairfield?
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
FYI: I feel ten times dumber after reading all of Vivi\'s posts.
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Go have sex with your blow up doll you loser.
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Originally posted by ViVi
I ran a 6:42 mile today, and ran a quarter mile with someone on my back and was the 3rd person to finish. Shut your mouth, because you dont know me.
And Bladez, I go to Iowa once a year. So I know how it is lol
Ever heard of Wappelo or Fairfield?
Go have sex with your blow up doll you loser.
I jumped off the tallest building in Dallas today. I also had sex with Jessica Alba while I was driving my brand new Porsche Carrera down the street. I benched pressed 400lb today also! it was a real drag, but with effort I pulled it off with ease.
Never heard of them...
At least I can get my *friend* up...You probably need the weed so you don\'t feel lonely anymore...It\'s ok...I\'m sure a blind retarded girl will come around you some day.
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Knock it off Mystic. Your not being funny, just insulting.
In fact.. EVERYONE KNOCK IT OFF!
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Originally posted by Luke
Knock it off Mystic. Your not being funny, just insulting.
In fact.. EVERYONE KNOCK IT OFF!
That was the point...HE STARTED IT!!
Anyways...
I can\'t really make any more comments because it\'s always the same thing with the pot heads.
"Weed doesn\'t harm"
"Weed is cool"
"Weed...doesn\'t harm..."
And so on...
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When you make assumptions about someone you don\'t even know, that just proves you\'re retarded.You think I\'d lie about something like running to people I don\'t know? Maybe you would (looks back to you posting about your "gf" on her cell). "He started it!" ...grow up. And what makes you think I was talking to you the whole time? Did you forget to read "And Bladez" and my quote about LIC?
I never said it didn\'t harm, but I think everyone thinks way too harsh of it.
Don\'t reply, because this could go on all day.
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"He started it" was a sarcastic remark.
Your lungs going out was a sarcastic remark.
Anyways...
Weed Kills
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I really hate for this to be my first post here but I hate mis-information even more. I\'ve heard enough from both sides, but I\'m sure you all knew this.
1. Marijuana causes brain damage
The most celebrated study that claims to show brain damage is the rhesus monkey study of Dr. Robert Heath, done in the late 1970s. This study was reviewed by a distinguished panel of scientists sponsored by the Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences. Their results were published under the title, Marijuana and Health in 1982. Heath\'s work was sharply criticized for its insufficient sample size (only four monkeys), its failure to control experimental bias, and the misidentification of normal monkey brain structure as "damaged". Actual studies of human populations of marijuana users have shown no evidence of brain damage. For example, two studies from 1977, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed no evidence of brain damage in heavy users of marijuana. That same year, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially came out in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. That\'s not the sort of thing you\'d expect if the AMA thought marijuana damaged the brain.
2. Marijuana damages the reproductive system
This claim is based chiefly on the work of Dr. Gabriel Nahas, who experimented with tissue (cells) isolated in petri dishes, and the work of researchers who dosed animals with near-lethal amounts of cannabinoids (i.e., the intoxicating part of marijuana). Nahas\' generalizations from his petri dishes to human beings have been rejected by the scientific community as being invalid. In the case of the animal experiments, the animals that survived their ordeal returned to normal within 30 days of the end of the experiment. Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that marijuana adversely affects the reproductive system.
3. Marijuana is a "gateway" drug-it leads to hard drugs
This is one of the more persistent myths. A real world example of what happens when marijuana is readily available can be found in Holland. The Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 1970s. Since then, hard drug use-heroin and cocaine-have DECLINED substantially. If marijuana really were a gateway drug, one would have expected use of hard drugs to have gone up, not down. This apparent "negative gateway" effect has also been observed in the United States. Studies done in the early 1970s showed a negative correlation between use of marijuana and use of alcohol. A 1993 Rand Corporation study that compared drug use in states that had decriminalized marijuana versus those that had not, found that where marijuana was more available-the states that had decriminalized-hard drug abuse as measured by emergency room episodes decreased. In short, what science and actual experience tell us is that marijuana tends to substitute for the much more dangerous hard drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.
4. Marijuana suppresses the immune system
Like the studies claiming to show damage to the reproductive system, this myth is based on studies where animals were given extremely high-in many cases, near-lethal-doses of cannabinoids. These results have never been duplicated in human beings. Interestingly, two studies done in 1978 and one done in 1988 showed that hashish and marijuana may have actually stimulated the immune system in the people studied.
5. Marijuana is much more dangerous than tobacco
Smoked marijuana contains about the same amount of carcinogens as does an equivalent amount of tobacco. It should be remembered, however, that a heavy tobacco smoker consumes much more tobacco than a heavy marijuana smoker consumes marijuana. This is because smoked tobacco, with a 90% addiction rate, is the most addictive of all drugs while marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. Two other factors are important. The first is that paraphernalia laws directed against marijuana users make it difficult to smoke safely. These laws make water pipes and bongs, which filter some of the carcinogens out of the smoke, illegal and, hence, unavailable. The second is that, if marijuana were legal, it would be more economical to have cannabis drinks like bhang (a traditional drink in the Middle East) or tea which are totally non-carcinogenic. This is in stark contrast with "smokeless" tobacco products like snuff which can cause cancer of the mouth and throat. When all of these facts are taken together, it can be clearly seen that the reverse is true: marijuana is much SAFER than tobacco.
6. Legal marijuana would cause carnage on the highways
Although marijuana, when used to intoxication, does impair performance in a manner similar to alcohol, actual studies of the effect of marijuana on the automobile accident rate suggest that it poses LESS of a hazard than alcohol. When a random sample of fatal accident victims was studied, it was initially found that marijuana was associated with RELATIVELY as many accidents as alcohol. In other words, the number of accident victims intoxicated on marijuana relative to the number of marijuana users in society gave a ratio similar to that for accident victims intoxicated on alcohol relative to the total number of alcohol users. However, a closer examination of the victims revealed that around 85% of the people intoxicated on marijuana WERE ALSO INTOXICATED ON ALCOHOL. For people only intoxicated on marijuana, the rate was much lower than for alcohol alone. This finding has been supported by other research using completely different methods. For example, an economic analysis of the effects of decriminalization on marijuana usage found that states that had reduced penalties for marijuana possession experienced a rise in marijuana use and a decline in alcohol use with the result that fatal highway accidents decreased. This would suggest that, far from causing "carnage", legal marijuana might actually save lives.
7. Marijuana "flattens" human brainwaves
This is an out-and-out lie perpetrated by the Partnership for a Drug-Free America. A few years ago, they ran a TV ad that purported to show, first, a normal human brainwave, and second, a flat brainwave from a 14-year-old "on marijuana". When researchers called up the TV networks to complain about this commercial, the Partnership had to pull it from the air. It seems that the Partnership faked the flat "marijuana brainwave". In reality, marijuana has the effect of slightly INCREASING alpha wave activity. Alpha waves are associated with meditative and relaxed states which are, in turn, often associated with human creativity.
8. Marijuana is more potent today than in the past
This myth is the result of bad data. The researchers who made the claim of increased potency used as their baseline the THC content of marijuana seized by police in the early 1970s. Poor storage of this marijuana in un-air conditioned evidence rooms caused it to deteriorate and decline in potency before any chemical assay was performed. Contemporaneous, independent assays of unseized "street" marijuana from the early 1970s showed a potency equivalent to that of modern "street" marijuana. Actually, the most potent form of this drug that was generally available was sold legally in the 1920s and 1930s by the pharmaceutical company Smith-Klein under the name, "American Cannabis".
9. Marijuana impairs short-term memory
This is true but misleading. Any impairment of short-term memory disappears when one is no longer under the influence of marijuana. Often, the short-term memory effect is paired with a reference to Dr. Heath\'s poor rhesus monkeys to imply that the condition is permanent.
10. Marijuana lingers in the body like DDT
This is also true but misleading. Cannabinoids are fat soluble as are innumerable nutrients and, yes, some poisons like DDT. For example, the essential nutrient, Vitamin A, is fat soluble but one never hears people who favor marijuana prohibition making this comparison.
11. There are over a thousand chemicals in marijuana smoke
Again, true but misleading. The 31 August 1990 issue of the magazine Science notes that of the over 800 volatile chemicals present in roasted COFFEE, only 21 have actually been tested on animals and 16 of these cause cancer in rodents. Yet, coffee remains legal and is generally considered fairly safe.
12. No one has ever died of a marijuana overdose
This is true. It was put in to see if you are paying attention. Animal tests have revealed that extremely high doses of cannabinoids are needed to have lethal effect. This has led scientists to conclude that the ratio of the amount of cannabinoids necessary to get a person intoxicated (i.e., stoned) relative to the amount necessary to kill them is 1 to 40,000. In other words, to overdose, you would have to consume 40,000 times as much marijuana as you needed to get stoned. In contrast, the ratio for alcohol varies between 1 to 4 and 1 to 10. It is easy to see how upwards of 5000 people die from alcohol overdoses every year and no one EVER dies of marijuana overdoses.
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Originally posted by TSina
3. Marijuana is a "gateway" drug-it leads to hard drugs
This is one of the more persistent myths. A real world example of what happens when marijuana is readily available can be found in Holland. The Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 1970s. Since then, hard drug use-heroin and cocaine-have DECLINED substantially. If marijuana really were a gateway drug, one would have expected use of hard drugs to have gone up, not down. This apparent "negative gateway" effect has also been observed in the United States. Studies done in the early 1970s showed a negative correlation between use of marijuana and use of alcohol. A 1993 Rand Corporation study that compared drug use in states that had decriminalized marijuana versus those that had not, found that where marijuana was more available-the states that had decriminalized-hard drug abuse as measured by emergency room episodes decreased. In short, what science and actual experience tell us is that marijuana tends to substitute for the much more dangerous hard drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.
These test might have been accurate in the 70\'s but things change. Holland is a complete different atmosphere so what happens there isn\'t true here, just like the 70\'s were a whole different time period. Both sides will battle their case to the very end but I don\'t think it will ever get anywhere on this part of it.
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Also, might have been harder to get a hold of the the harder drugs back then too.
ps, where was this copied and pasted from?
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You must not be from the US as the 70\'s and 80\'s is when cocaine,heroin,lsd, and crack absolutely exploded. So it wasnt the fact that the harder stuff couldn\'t be had easily. The opposite.
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where\'d you copy this info from?
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looking for the link....
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probably pothead.com
anyways, who is this person? She must no a mod because don\'t we have a post limit for changing your text color on your name? Maybe I\'m wrong. Either way, rock on!
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Originally posted by theomen
probably pothead.com
anyways, who is this person? She must no a mod because don\'t we have a post limit for changing your text color on your name? Maybe I\'m wrong. Either way, rock on!
We did.
I don\'t think it\'s there now, I tried changing my name colour before I had the required ammount of posts, and it worked.
Now I have more than the posts needed to do it, and it still works.
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*Goes to pothead.com.......
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For the person that wanted the link
http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html
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actually, the code for custom name color is broke and i\'ve been too lazy to fix it
normally, i just change the new users profile, but since TSina supports my cause, it can stay (for now)
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Im all for the decriminalization of the fine greenery.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Also, might have been harder to get a hold of the the harder drugs back then too.
It was all much easier to get in the 70\'s-early 80\'s
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Im still waiting for some people to take on a piece of what I posted.
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I can tell you right now mystic will 1) say its BS 2) read it and ignore the thread
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It is purely unbiased facts that refute many common misconceptions about smoking trees.
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And the correct answer is...
1. BS
I think it\'s different when you read something than actually see what it can do. I\'ve seen what it can do. You\'ve read what I experienced. You want more?
In middle school a kid got stabbed with a pencil because he apparently found a bag of MJ and kept it to himself.
In middle school gangs fought about MJ all the time. Especially when they stole or bought from the same lame drug dealer.
Kid\'s in my school skip class to go smoke out.
Kid\'s in my school have brought guns to school to trade for MJ
And so many more.
You can flash me with facts about how MJ isn\'t bad for your health. I don\'t care. It\'s bad for a person, for a society in general to have something that people crave so much around.
Maybe they should go to middle schools and high schools to see how it all affects there. And no don\'t give me the "they\'re stupid kids, they should learn how to smoke without abusing"...It\'s the kids, teenagers and young adults that MJ affects the most.
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Mystic, all of those events took place cause those people were morons, not cause they smoked weed.
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Originally posted by Luke
Mystic, all of those events took place cause those people were morons, not cause they smoked weed.
That\'s the point. MJ was the CAUSE for all those problems. And all of those people are the ones that I know smoke weed the most, and it will probably increase with the current fad about it.
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If there were no such thing as weed, those people woulda found some other way to be morons.
That\'s like blaming the car in a car accident.
I guess in some car accidents you CAN blame the car but you know what I mean.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
That\'s the point. MJ was the CAUSE for all those problems. And all of those people are the ones that I know smoke weed the most, and it will probably increase with the current fad about it.
I suppose guns kill people as well and not just stupid people with a gun. I can tell you are young. Smarten up. Those people were already to damn stupid to live anyway, it wasnt the green.
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I don\'t approve of the weedage, but I think that most would agree that it\'s a bit hipocritical to allow cigarettes and alcohol to be purchased freely, while the ganja train is derailed. I mean they all have the same basic risk factors assosiated with them, it\'s just that the shrubbery doesn\'t have the big business money behind it.
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If you buy weed, you support terrorism
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Originally posted by TSina
I suppose guns kill people as well and not just stupid people with a gun. I can tell you are young. Smarten up. Those people were already to damn stupid to live anyway, it wasnt the green.
No. Guns don\'t kill people. People kill people. But if there were any guns, would there still be people killing each other with them?
If there was no weed, would any of the "stupid" people be doing the same thing?
Those "damn stupid" people are the ones that smoke MJ and waste most of their money on it. So by claiming that they are the ones that are "damn stupid to live anyways" you are basically throwing out most of the pot heads who smoke it. Look at Vivi, he thinks smoking weed is cool and it doesn\'t hurt you because he\'s never seen it hurt you. Is he stupid because of it? No, but he is blinded by the fad.
The whole idea of having Mj, smoking Mj, "getting high" is what causes the problems. It\'s that idea that encourages people to kill each other for it, to steal to buy some more and to lie in order to obtain more of it.
I think it is hypocritical to allow alcohol and cigarretes. But first off, cigarretes don\'t slow down your nerves and impare your judgement, and if people are too stupid to know that it might cause desease that is their own business. Alcohol is just as bad as MJ. But it took it some time in order for it to become "part" of people. Bringing in yet another substance that impares judgemnt would be alot worse than it already is with alcohol. Alcohol it might take some time to feel anything depending on what you are drinking. Weed just takes 1-3 puffs and if it doesn\'t it\'s considered bad weed. Like dro that only takes what? 1 hit?
And like I\'ve said before. Buying the stuff only helps out the ones dealing it. Which causes even more problems and only kills the ones who are being sold harder drugs from the same dealer that sells you the weed. So if you take all that into account, when you buy weed, you are basically helping some other poor fool with a heroin addiction slip away from his life.
You say legalize it and it would solve the problem. After it becomes legalized, like alcohol, people(us humans) will once again have that craving for something that is banned. What could happen? Cocain the next "weed".
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
No. Guns don\'t kill people. People kill people. But if there were any guns, would there still be people killing each other with them?
Thats an oxymoron.
If there was no weed, would any of the "stupid" people be doing the same thing?
they would be doing other stupid things because they are stupid.
Those "damn stupid" people are the ones that smoke MJ and waste most of their money on it. So by claiming that they are the ones that are "damn stupid to live anyways" you are basically throwing out most of the pot heads who smoke it. Look at Vivi, he thinks smoking weed is cool and it doesn\'t hurt you because he\'s never seen it hurt you. Is he stupid because of it? No, but he is blinded by the fad.
How do you know how much they spend on it to claim it is most of their money? Even if that is true, it is their money to spend on what they wish correct? Not really since most people that smoke weed are not potheads but rather the occasional smoker. He is stupid if he thinks it isnt harmful at all. You are stupid if you believe what the .gov tells you about it. Did you even read the 12 points I posted? Fad? Do you really think smoking weed is a fad? Fad\'s go away. Weed smoking for recreational purposes has been around for many hundreds of years.
The whole idea of having Mj, smoking Mj, "getting high" is what causes the problems. It\'s that idea that encourages people to kill each other for it, to steal to buy some more and to lie in order to obtain more of it.
This is just silly. Ive seen to coke heads fight over the last line. I\'ve seen several crack heads fight over a sliver of rock. I\'ve seen drunks fight about ANYTHING. Not once have I seen people fighting over a blunt or "because they were high" Stealing and lying for more? Are you sure these ppl dont have other habits they are hiding since MJ is more acceptable than the rest of the drugs?
I think it is hypocritical to allow alcohol and cigarretes. But first off, cigarretes don\'t slow down your nerves and impare your judgement, and if people are too stupid to know that it might cause desease that is their own business. Alcohol is just as bad as MJ. But it took it some time in order for it to become "part" of people. Bringing in yet another substance that impares judgemnt would be alot worse than it already is with alcohol. Alcohol it might take some time to feel anything depending on what you are drinking. Weed just takes 1-3 puffs and if it doesn\'t it\'s considered bad weed. Like dro that only takes what? 1 hit?
It is hypocritical. The slowing of nerves is actually quite good for a great number of people. Smoking weed is no where as near as bad as drinking. Dont know where you got that information. You obviously dont smoke if it only takes a few puffs. Even purple haze, it takes more than one hit. That is different for every person though.
And like I\'ve said before. Buying the stuff only helps out the ones dealing it. Which causes even more problems and only kills the ones who are being sold harder drugs from the same dealer that sells you the weed. So if you take all that into account, when you buy weed, you are basically helping some other poor fool with a heroin addiction slip away from his life.
Drug dealing within itself is a victimless crime. Drug lords and empires are a different story. When I buy weed, I help the man selling it. I in no way hurt any other addict as they have their own mind like I do.
You say legalize it and it would solve the problem. After it becomes legalized, like alcohol, people(us humans) will once again have that craving for something that is banned. What could happen? Cocain the next "weed".
Decriminalization is the answer, legalizing solves nothing. Then the government taxes it and a dime bag is now $12.50. So the drug dealer is still a drug deal because t hey have the cheaper price. Cocaine was legal for quite some time. Racism is what made cocaine illegal. Look it up sometime. Not to mention, the government cant make MORE money off of it being illegal. No more seizures of dirty money since a controlled substance was found with it. They also dont have the ability to redistribute it on the streets(conspiracy theory). Check out the crack explosion on the streets back in the 70\'s. You will see many indications of the gov being involved. You think the same does not happen with weed and any other drug for that fact?
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Originally posted by TSina
Im still waiting for some people to take on a piece of what I posted.
Yawn, drop the hot shit attitude.
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Time for a new thread, because I want to join.
New rule; You cannot debate in the thread unless you have seen, smoked, did smoke, do smoke, or been somewhere where someone has.
Im sick of these fagets saying "But weed is bad! The government is always right, Pamplets!"
When this gets too long, Im going to do that.
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It\'s not about being hot stuff. I just dont like how people talk about something so strongly and dont really know anything about i besides personal experiance, or someone else experiance. You could have kept your useless comment to yourself since I didnt say anything smartassed to you anyway.
No wonder why someone else said females dont stick around here.
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And your anti-marijuana or what?
I cant really tell, because Im "keeping the my self sane right now".
[glow=green]:smokin:[/glow]
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Im very much in favor cheeba. Im not stupid either. Thats why I posted the 12 most popular points concerning weed on the 5th page. Some are in our favor, others are not, yet there is open display of what "I" think to be the *real* truths about ms. mary.
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i wonder, TSina do u smoke pot?
There are other sites that say otherwise too. Its really in the air in terms of whats correct and whats not.
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What if you were in a greenhouse of marijuana, and the inside caught on fire.
I know how I want to die.
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did you look at the credits and sources? all sites are not so credible.
and yes, i do smoke once a week or sooo now. my job doesnt really make it easy to smoke. I\'ll be doing it less and less too.
Besides, my smoking or not smoking hasnt much to do with my views. My feelings were the same as they are now if not more reinforced since I smoked my first 3 years ago at 22
Also, how can certaion studies be up in the air? Facts are facts. Look att anti-weed studies, they are almost always biased and leave info out. While the same can be said about pro-weed studies, more often than not they dont misconstrue(sp?) the facts. For example,in the US we have had this one commmercial that ran for a while stating that more car accidents involved weed than other substances. They did leave out the fact that while THC was present in the blood stream of the drivers, their BAC was through the roof. Misleading no?
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i\'m sure it hasn\'t.
You mind explaining why the info you posted has any more or less credibility then any other link here?
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I feel that way because it seems unbiased. Would you not agree?
Its not pro-weed nor anti-weed
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again, that’s why imo I think its to much in the air.
To many opinions rather then facts. Even facts that say they are or aren\'t dangerous, gateway, addictive etc is still thrown aside, and vise visa.
I personally couldn\'t care less what people do with their own bodies. As long as they do it away from me. :)
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Im not trying to insult you, but did you read all of that? Those statements didnt seem up in the air to me.
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An easy way to see how biased the US gov\'s position is is simply to look at their viewpoint (http://archive.aclu.org/news/2000/w080400b.html) on medical marijuana. They still claim that there is no benifit to using it over conventional drugs for serious illnesses and they withdrew the legal cannibus program that they had started a few years ago. They were giving it out to 5 people originally, now down to 1.
Frankly, I know that one is bull. because:
A) There are hundreds of sick people who talk about how much better MJ was/is for them than using the more standard treatments...
B) Personal experience - my bosses daughter died of liver cancer a few years after she had Hep B. I remeber talking to my boss about it once, and he told me that closer to the end he got her MJ, and her standard of living for the last few months went way up, instead of continuing to deteriorate as it had been.
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Souly: If you don\'t really care about this issue, you probably shouldn\'t be arguing for one side or the other. Just state the fact that you don\'t care, and let people who have an opinion state those opinions. Fact is both sides can tear into both sides on this issue, there\'s plenty of \'facts\' for both sides to sling at each other. All I know is that in MY experience, it isn\'t a gateway drug, wasn\'t addictive, and didn\'t cause me any harm whatsoever.
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Originally posted by TSina
Im not trying to insult you, but did you read all of that? Those statements didnt seem up in the air to me.
They\'re up in the air when another party shows different "facts"
Which is opinion and which really is a fact. I personally don\'t see a survey done 30 years ago as a ground fact today. If they were to redo the study today, then i\'d take it as a credible fact.
I don\'t care if people use it, I’m not debating that and couldn\'t care less. But if we\'re talking experience, In my own experience, from watching my mates try pot and later ending up on harder drugs (not vise visa) I’d say its a gateway drug.
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I really dont see how things would be all that different now. I would post more "facts" but they are also on pro-weed websites so that within itself makes it invalid IMHO.
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30 years makes a lot of difference. Culture changes quite a bit after 30 years. The way drugs are viewed, the easiness or hardness to get the drugs, peoples attitudes towards them etc.
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That would be the individual and not the drug no? As many do not use it as a gateway. Unlike crack which many who try it end up addicted at some point. Same with booze, coke..X..etc..etc..
Some products have more addictive components than others. More often than not, those are the man made substances. By man made I mean substances that cannot be produced naturally at all.
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The thing about MJ being a gateway drug though... I think it\'s more related to peers, social/economic standing, upbringing, availablitly, etc. etc.
I know people that did MJ on their way to some harsher drugs, but I don\'t call it a gateway for them, because they were on that life track before they ever did MJ.
I myself did MJ as an occasional, and I got into it with that intention, and stopped never having overstepped the bounds. MJ doesn\'t reduce your inhibitions beyond what you would do anyways (unless you smoke enough to just pass out) - I\'ve been at parties, gotten high, and been offered acid, coke, X, meth... and I was never temped, high/drunk or not. It just wasn\'t in the cards.
I\'ve never met someone who started doing MJ, and then as a result decided to try some harder drugs... everyone I know who does hard drugs (and I know at least a couple dozen), tells me that for them it was never really in doubt...
I think extacy is much worse as a gateway, because I know a couple ravers that never did anything beyond drinking, tried X, and about three months later were doing all sorts of hallucinogens, as a direct result.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
30 years makes a lot of difference. Culture changes quite a bit after 30 years. The way drugs are viewed, the easiness or hardness to get the drugs, peoples attitudes towards them etc.
Culture my change, but the drugs really dont. If anything, they have become more watered down, so the studies 20-30 years ago would prove even more true.
The way drugs are viewed havent much to do with anything that has been argued.
The readiness of said drugs just flucuates with the governments ability to catch them.
The attitudes are far more conservative than ever now. Thats about the only reason to take another look at these "old" studies.
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Here is a little example,
Little Timmy has all his mates telling him, "dood, you gotta try this shit, its cool. It won\'t harm you either" So little Timmy gives in to peer group pressure and decides to try pot. Little does Timmy know that he may like it, and continue to use it for sometime. Then one day Timmy decides to try something harder, From his experience with pot, what harm could it do? There you go, not many people start off on HARD drugs. They build up to them from weaker drugs from my own experience..
A gateway drug doesn\'t have to be addictive, its just a lead up to something else. Even though i\'m pretty sure pot is.
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If that is the case, they were going to try harder drugs anyway so weed cannot be the scapegoat.
I\'ll say this though. Weak willed individuals may use mj as a gateway, but anyone with half a head on their shoulders wont. Just like alcoholism can be hereditary(sp?), Im sure other drugs and stupidity can as well.
Refer is not a scapegoat no matter how hard people try to make it be one.
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ah, but thats the whole point.
They start on pot and end up on harder drugs.
They don\'t normally start on harder drugs and go to pot.
It really doesn\'t matter if they\'re weak minded or if they would do harder stuff anyway, the simple fact is they picked up and tried pot before other drugs. Making it the gateway drug.
Anyway, think about this. They partially legalized pot, did they partially legalize every other drug too? of course its going to bring down other drug use, when they can get it without trouble, easily and most likely cheaper.
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Originally posted by TSina
It\'s not about being hot stuff. I just dont like how people talk about something so strongly and dont really know anything about i besides personal experiance, or someone else experiance. You could have kept your useless comment to yourself since I didnt say anything smartassed to you anyway.
No wonder why someone else said females dont stick around here.
You were being all high and mighty. You could have had the same approach but kept on discussing instead of having pointless post like that and I would have had no problem.
Also, how does me calling you out in this fashion have anything to do with females staying here? (looking at your colors after posting this I realize you might be female, which I didn\'t even realize)
As for not knowing anything, some might not but don\'t lump everyone into that category. I responded to your original post and you never said anything back to me.
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Just b/c weed is often tried first should not make it the gateway.
So why isnt alcohol or tobacco also known as gateway drugs? Both have been classified as a type of drug or another and are usually tried b4 weed.
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Possibly because it\'s already legal, while weed on the other hand isn\'t. I\'m not entirely against it, I just feel weed isn\'t worth it.
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Because they are fully legal. If they were illegal. Most likely would be called the major gateway drug.
^ dammit got in before me :)
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Actually, I wasnt being high and mighty...you and you alone assumed that.
I did keep on discussing without missing a beat.
it has plenty if you havent noticed. If you are discouraging to female posters it is obvious. Consdiering it was obvious I am of the fairer sex.
Some may, some might. The majority didnt seem to. I also did not say EVERYONE knows nothing about the subject.
Let me ask you something. Have a problem with assertive females? Or bitches as many of you call us?
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^ u think your assertive. lol u gotta meet my gf. ;)
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They have all been legal or illegal at one point int ime with the exception of tobacco.
Legalities truely have nothing to do with being a gateway or not.
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They do when it comes to studies. You\'ll find most people don\'t even look at tobacco or alcohol as being a major contender to whats a gateway drug. But tend to study what is a gateway drug in the illegal scene.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
^ u think your assertive. lol u gotta meet my gf. ;)
Oh there is more, I just dont want to come on too strong being new and all.
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I didn\'t realize your genger till I had already put both of those post together. Now you\'re assuming, I hadn\'t read your welcome thread yet so I had no true way in knowing. Think of it as me responding as if you were a guy. I did post in the welcoming thread trying to clear things up.
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Refer is not a scapegoat no matter how hard people try to make it be one.
I respect your opinion and although I realize you are really pro for this drug, I fail to see your reasoning for this statement. If I\'m reading this quote correctly, you are saying that marijuana is not responsible for any deaths, whatsoever, in the world and should therefore not be labeled as some type of proverbial scapegoat. Though it contains chemicals that are potentially harmful to the body (given of course that large quantities are inhaled over time just like cigarettes and alcohol), it has never killed one person. Though it alters your perception in varying situations to varying degrees depending on all the different exceptions to the rule that have been given -- stupidity mainly, it is still not responsible for one death.
Did I read that right or did you mean something else? I just want to clarify that really bold statement before I continue saying anything.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
They do when it comes to studies. You\'ll find most people don\'t even look at tobacco or alcohol as being a major contender to whats a gateway drug. But tend to study what is a gateway drug in the illegal scene.
so whos fault would that be?
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evil men.
Here\'s a question for you. After alcohol and tobacco. Whats the most likely drug of choice. I\'m guessing pot above the rest. Also, am i more stronger minded then you for saying No to drugs. Rather then trying them?
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Originally posted by Ryu
I respect your opinion and although I realize you are really pro for this drug, I fail to see your reasoning for this statement. If I\'m reading this quote correctly, you are saying that marijuana is not responsible for any deaths, whatsoever, in the world and should therefore not be labeled as some type of proverbial scapegoat. Though it contains chemicals that are potentially harmful to the body (given of course that large quantities are inhaled over time just like cigarettes and alcohol), it has never killed one person. Though it alters your perception in varying situations to varying degrees depending on all the different exceptions to the rule that have been given -- stupidity mainly, it is still not responsible for one death.
Did I read that right or did you mean something else? I just want to clarify that really bold statement before I continue saying anything.
Im am pro-smoke for sure but that by no ways means I refuse to accept its negativity. Im quite aware of t he negatives, but its been provent he negatives arent as bad as once thought. This has been known for 20 years and ignored. Thtas my biggest point in here and why I posted that as my first post in here.
Im saying it shouldnt be a scapegoat b/c it is not the drug itself that makes one want harder stuff, it is the individual. By that rational, someone would have invented something harder than cocaine. They did, it was called crack. Something harder than heroin, they did, it was called meth. Something better than acid, it was X. It wasnt the previous drugs themselves. While you cant have one without the other, you cant blame either.
The fact alone that one would have to consume their body weight in weed in one sitting to OD( and that has yet to be proven so it could be more) is enough in my eyes to start disbelieving the anti-potheads theories about how bad it really is. No one person can realistically do that. Yet I wont close my eyes to possibilities either.
But yes, it isnt directly responsible for one recorded death so far. Not many things in this life can share that, both legal or illegal.
On another note..Id love to do this more tonight, but I need some sleep, its 4am :( I will bb asap though :)
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Everything in your post can be disputed by one person or another both for or against and it doesn\'t matter to me either way. The fact of it being a gateway drug makes absolutely no difference to me. I\'ve been around weed plenty of times in my life, enough to know exactly what it smells like even hours and hours after someone has lit up, but I have never had the need to use it and I don\'t question others for using it either. That\'s a personal need that some people have that they feel needs to be filled and that\'s their choice. Whether or not they do crack or anything else because they did weed is inconsequential to me.
However, I have one very serious problem with your post and I\'ll quote it as it reaffirms exactly what I thought you meant beforehand in your earlier post...
But yes, it isnt directly responsible for one recorded death so far. Not many things in this life can share that, both legal or illegal.
The problem with people who are for the drug is that they treat it in the same vein as crack, cocaine, heroine, pcp, and all the other hard drugs out there simply because it is illegal and the same goes for the people who are against the drug primarily to dissolve any negative connotation it has, but when it comes to arguing for it, it is compared to legal drugs such as alcohol and tobacco (which of course includes cigars) and each one is stated as having killed millions of people, millions more then marijuana according to you, and for that reason alone, we should stop being hipocritical and either ban it all, or at least give marijuana the same shot tobacco and alcohol have been given all these years. But the fact still remains that the contents of marijuana, over a long period of time, just like cigars, cigarettes and alcohol, can perpetually mess you up and cause death no matter how filtered they are.
There\'s no "safe" alcohol other then rubbing alcohol and that\'s never to be ingested.
There\'s no "safe" smoke other then visible oxygen (which isn\'t visible to the naked eye).
There\'s no "safe" marijuana other then to simply abstain from it altogether.
And saying how you can filter marijuana in a bong doesn\'t get you off the hook either as it still contains plenty of carcinogens that kill tons of people every damn day. Because most people smoke cigarettes AND smoke marijuana at the same time in their lives certainly doesn\'t dismiss the negative effects marijuana is having on your body whether you realize it or not.
You, just as an example, light up pretty damn often and are only letting up, according to you, because of time constraints. Vivi, by his own admittance, is giving up because his parents busted him with it. Would he continue if he didn\'t get busted? Would you if you had more time? No one can say for sure. There\'s no way to know what a person will be doing from one day to the next, but in my own experience, the one that actually counts far more then any survey or scientific study to me, is that I\'ve seen people piss away a ton of cash for their habit. I\'ve seen people so high, they fell into the street and were nearly killed by a passing car. I\'ve seen people so high, they drive like maniacs on the road and end up in a bodybag the next morning. I\'ve seen drunk people start fights, act like total jackasses, then never make it home the next day because they drove into a tree that same night. I\'ve seen firsthand what cancer can do to you if you keep up your habits over a long period of time. I\'ve also seen what fast food can do to people who choose to eat it day in and day out without exercising and collapse at the age of 40 with a pullmonary disorder.
I\'ve seen all of this, but what I find most insulting is that you can tell me, and everyone else on this forum, that marijuana doesn\'t kill you. If you believe that, then you and Vivi are truly meant for each other and you two can light up simply in spite of me, but I refuse to believe that people willingly breathe in cannibis smoke, knowing there are very harmful chemicals in them, and then tell themselves that their cigarette habit or their drinking habit is killing them -- and not their weed.
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Ryu\'s post in a nut shell.
Anyone thinking dope doesn\'t have any adverse effects is truly deluded. It\'s insulting to say otherwise ;)
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Originally posted by Ryu
But the fact still remains that the contents of marijuana, over a long period of time, just like cigars, cigarettes and alcohol, can perpetually mess you up and cause death no matter how filtered they are.
That is entirely untrue. There have been NUMEROUS studies by the American Medical Association, Harvard University, and Stanford to name a few that have said the exact opposite. The amount of marijuana needed to cause bodily harm is SO great that its nearly impossible to reach.
The only (bodily)harm from marijuana is that people tend to smoke unfiltered joints/blunts/etc. so they are at risk for the hazards of unfiltered smoke; but when you take into account filtering devices like bongs, or other marijuana uses like teas, food, drinks, etc. that risk is entirely negated.
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A google search comes up with sites saying otherwise.
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My God! Will someone delete this freaking thread!! Why does everybody have to use the lords name in vain.
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I would have to agree.
I love [glow=green]marijuana[/glow].
I love people who dont smoke [glow=green]marijuana[/glow].
I love the idea that we should not give a ****, and just live our lifes accepting people are different. [glow=green]marijuana[/glow].
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deadpool he\'s your lord, I don\'t believe in fictional characters, thus I have no problem using it. Thus, you should refrain from using it, but morally and legally can\'t stop others from doing so.
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yeah!
lest not you judge others...and all that bullshit
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Id have to say my brightest idea yet;
Start a Marijuana picture thread...
Hmmm... Botony picture thread maybe?
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Originally posted by theomen
deadpool he\'s your lord, I don\'t believe in fictional characters, thus I have no problem using it. Thus, you should refrain from using it, but morally and legally can\'t stop others from doing so.
Why use it in the first place? What does it mean to you? Why not use the f word or some other obsinity?I dont get you people.
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Because I can\'t type f*ck it gets edited. God damn is an effective phrase, and doesn\'t get cencored. I felt like using it, I used it, and won\'t change it. I like the expression, I use it often and enjoy thrusting.
*thrusts
as a comprimise, I will start posting "Jesus tap dancing christ"
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Originally posted by Ryu
However, I have one very serious problem with your post and I\'ll quote it as it reaffirms exactly what I thought you meant beforehand in your earlier post...
The problem with people who are for the drug is that they treat it in the same vein as crack, cocaine, heroine, pcp, and all the other hard drugs out there simply because it is illegal and the same goes for the people who are against the drug primarily to dissolve any negative connotation it has, but when it comes to arguing for it, it is compared to legal drugs such as alcohol and tobacco (which of course includes cigars) and each one is stated as having killed millions of people, millions more then marijuana according to you, and for that reason alone, we should stop being hipocritical and either ban it all, or at least give marijuana the same shot tobacco and alcohol have been given all these years. But the fact still remains that the contents of marijuana, over a long period of time, just like cigars, cigarettes and alcohol, can perpetually mess you up and cause death no matter how filtered they are.
There\'s no "safe" alcohol other then rubbing alcohol and that\'s never to be ingested.
There\'s no "safe" smoke other then visible oxygen (which isn\'t visible to the naked eye).
There\'s no "safe" marijuana other then to simply abstain from it altogether.
And saying how you can filter marijuana in a bong doesn\'t get you off the hook either as it still contains plenty of carcinogens that kill tons of people every damn day. Because most people smoke cigarettes AND smoke marijuana at the same time in their lives certainly doesn\'t dismiss the negative effects marijuana is having on your body whether you realize it or not.
You, just as an example, light up pretty damn often and are only letting up, according to you, because of time constraints. Vivi, by his own admittance, is giving up because his parents busted him with it. Would he continue if he didn\'t get busted? Would you if you had more time? No one can say for sure. There\'s no way to know what a person will be doing from one day to the next, but in my own experience, the one that actually counts far more then any survey or scientific study to me, is that I\'ve seen people piss away a ton of cash for their habit. I\'ve seen people so high, they fell into the street and were nearly killed by a passing car. I\'ve seen people so high, they drive like maniacs on the road and end up in a bodybag the next morning. I\'ve seen drunk people start fights, act like total jackasses, then never make it home the next day because they drove into a tree that same night. I\'ve seen firsthand what cancer can do to you if you keep up your habits over a long period of time. I\'ve also seen what fast food can do to people who choose to eat it day in and day out without exercising and collapse at the age of 40 with a pullmonary disorder.
I\'ve seen all of this, but what I find most insulting is that you can tell me, and everyone else on this forum, that marijuana doesn\'t kill you. If you believe that, then you and Vivi are truly meant for each other and you two can light up simply in spite of me, but I refuse to believe that people willingly breathe in cannibis smoke, knowing there are very harmful chemicals in them, and then tell themselves that their cigarette habit or their drinking habit is killing them -- and not their weed.
First of all, I never said anything about lighting up often at all. once a week or so is by far not often. In my college days, I would smoke 12-14 different times a day just b/c I could. I do now maybe once a week, maybe twice when stressed. So I dont see how that is pretty often. Yes I am STOPPING..not letting up as my job is much more important than smoking occasionally.
How come there have been no confirmed reports of mj being directly for a persons death in recorded history? I wont say it doesnt help kill a person, as I never have. Just like stogies and cigs have been proven to have a direct link between them and cancer. MJ however has not to this day.
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Well I agree pot will cause lung and throat cancer but so does cigs,I agree pot causes brain damage but so does alcohol.(Bumping your head also kills brain cells eg. sport)
As someone else said,when stoned you feel paranoid,when drinking you feel overconfident.I know who I\'d rather be on the road with.(not condoning driving stoned)
Also pot isn\'t a gateway drug anymore than cigs,alcohol,speed and x,as has been said it\'s the person not the drug.
And Ryu how did someone get so stoned he nearly fell in front of a car?I\'m thinking there was something else involved (cough)alcohol (cough)
Not having a go at you but I have never fallen over from pot.
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I was wondering that too and forgot to address that. Thats makes no sense as weed doesnt throw your sense of balance off.
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TSina, why are you stopping if it doesn\'t do anything? Your job isn\'t 24/7.
What\'s your opinion on the fact they partially legalized pot, but not every other drug. Then said it dropped usage rates on other drugs? Imo, of course that would have happened. Make pot legal, easy to get and cheaper. (which most likely happened)
The use of other drugs will drop. Make all drugs legal, cheaper and easy to get. THEN make a result.
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Originally posted by theomen
Because I can\'t type f*ck it gets edited. God damn is an effective phrase, and doesn\'t get cencored. I felt like using it, I used it, and won\'t change it. I like the expression, I use it often and enjoy thrusting.
*thrusts
as a comprimise, I will start posting "Jesus tap dancing christ"
Alright man. Do what you do. But we will all find out in the end and see what happens.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
TSina, why are you stopping if it doesn\'t do anything? Your job isn\'t 24/7.
Come on now. Are you seriously asking this question? Use a little bit of common sense.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
TSina, why are you stopping if it doesn\'t do anything? Your job isn\'t 24/7.
What\'s your opinion on the fact they partially legalized pot, but not every other drug. Then said it dropped usage rates on other drugs? Imo, of course that would have happened. Make pot legal, easy to get and cheaper. (which most likely happened)
The use of other drugs will drop. Make all drugs legal, cheaper and easy to get. THEN make a result.
Spot checks. I cant afford to test positive and lose my job. It just isnt that important to me. If I had nothing to lose, I would still smoke the little I do, but for now, nuh uhh. :D
I like the fact that many states have accepted the medical benefits for some. I dislike the fact that some cops within those states that have are still assholes and arrest the person anyway for possession only for the case to be thrown out in court. Basically inconveniencing them just because they can.
They wont make it fully legal because there is more money in it for them to be illegal. Plus it will cut jobs and make the "war on drugs" look even more useless than it already does.