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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: NVIDIA256 on April 22, 2004, 10:36:43 AM
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well he is a little peak at what the new ati card will look like
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Personally it looks just like the 9800XT, although the heat sink seems to be a little longer. Glad to see that ATI was able to keep the card cool without using a massive heatsink
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Not to mention that it\'s not a friggin space hog inside the motherboard as well. Just a slightly larger heatsink and a slightly larger fan. So long as the numbers are accurate in what we\'ve heard so far performance wise, then this will be the card worth getting in a month or two in my opinion.
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I do not plan on buying either of the Cards untill the games that require them actually ship, DOOM 3 HALF-LIFE 2. Untill then MY ti4600 will do.
Also hopefully by the time DOOM 3 and HL2 ship, I can then upgrade to a 939 AMD64 HT1000 Dual channel PCI-X motherboard.
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Oh i don\'t plan to upgrade right away either. I want the price to come down quite a bit and any bugs to be worked out in the driver sets before I even bother investing at all. My 9800pro suits me just fine for playing what I want. I can\'t imagine Half Life 2 requiring much more to run on a system then FarCry. the effects, at least in the demos from last years E3 for HL2, are hardly that drastic of an improvement on what FarCry already displays.
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No I agree, but remember on the 9800 Pro Half-Life 2 was CPU limited, not GPU. So the new cards will push performance even further, plus bragging rights for some. Also who knows what Vavle is adding to the game since they have decided to delay. I do hear they are adding PS 3.0, though as of right now, I have yet to see any benifit to it. Also I was going to post an article here yesterday, of a polish webiste that attended the ATI conference yesterday, where I live in TORONTO.
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That\'s half life 2, and here is "farcry" running at 68 FPS on r420 (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pclab.pl%2Fzdjecia%2Fartykuly%2Fpila%2Fati_tech_days_toronto%2Ffarcry.jpg&hash=aa60f34b3518de721a11b708de5d9085925e13ed)
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Ok here is the pic with fraps removed
By the way that webiste within an hous took down the pics, as intsructed by ATI.
ANyhow I will wait for offical benchmarks before I make any conclusion.
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PS 3.0
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I personally do not believe the R420 will have support for it, then again I could be wrong since we do not have the offical specs released yet, but beleive me i\'m willing to bank on it; no PS3.0 support, and untill someone can show me conclusive edvidence that 3.0 has any sufficient improvement visually than 2.0 then 3.0 means squat, especially considering it decrease performance under fp32 ps3.0
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PS 2.0
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PS 3.0
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ready to listen?
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nope, first off I need to know what game, under what conditions, what graphics card was used etc.. you just can post 2 pics without a link explaining what has been done my friend
For example I saw the ps 2.0 from far cry on the ATI and then the so called pic of the ps3.0 on the NVIDIA and could not see any real significant difference. Also I hope it turns out that PS 3.0 does indeed really improve upon quality, cause if that is the case then I’m all for it, so please provide us with more info mm.
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pwned
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aww you have not proved anything, we are still waiting mm, for a link explaining the 2 pics etc....
you Have proved nothing so far
Oh and one more thing mm, If i FIND OUT THAT both THOSE PICS ARE TAKEN FROM an NVIDIA card, your whole argument will be blown right out of the water. We all know NVidia can\'t do ps 2.0 to saves it\'s life, have you ever seen the comparison between ATI 2.0 and NVIDIA, the IQ on the NVIDIA for 2.0 is horrible
Just looking at the first pic, 2.0 looks like it\'s from NVIDIA not ATI
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specific article link (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=stop+wasting+my+****ing+time+and+google+it&btnG=Search)
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MM i\'m still waiting on a valid link???? Stop wasting my time little boy
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bro, if you honestly knew hardware like you claim to, you would have ALREADY seen the reports and comparisons by now.
those images are a 4 days old already
you copy and paste enough shit here off of nvnews, try there
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UPDATE----those pics he pasted both came off the NVIDIA card.
MM, if you knew anything about how to compare Hardware, you would of pasted a ps2.0 pic from the ATI 9800XT and one from the NVIDIA, instead the propaganda matrix that you are you selectively posted 2 pics from the same card, Not at by any means a far comparison, therefore this just illustrats your lack of understanding of how to properly compare and contrast to different forms of hardware.
you copy and paste enough shit here off of nvnews, try there
Really, why don\'t you prove it, instead of sitting here on your ass, as if your some kind of king on a grandiose trip. Just shows how pathetic you are.
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grrrrr :rpissed:
probably because the ATi R420 C-A-N-N-O-T do PS 3.0.
perhaps it was the PS 2.0 and PS 3.0 labels i posted that threw you off
me > you
hows that for a comparison?
wait, maybe you didnt notice a key word, ATi R420 CANNOT do Ps 3.0
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mm here you are claming that your mr hardware genius, and you didn\'t even know that the ATI does a spectacular job at 2.0 much better than the NVidia, not to mention we do not know how the R420 will handle 2.0. Now if you had been paying attention to far cry you would have Noticed the NVIDIA PR stunt where they took PS 1.4 of the ati and then showed ps 3.0 on the NV40. Interesting that they chose to avoid showing the 2.0 from the ATI card becuase as it was latter determined by ati users that took shots of far cry and then compared them to the 3,0 from Nvidia there was very little difference.
ATi R420 CANNOT do Ps 3.0
Oh by the way WHERE does it say ATI does not do PS 3.0 hmmmmm Mr Einstien. That was me who said that I didn\'t think it would do it. There is no official releases of the ATI r420 , only speculation
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sure, just completely ignore that fact that R420 will not support PS 3.0 and that PS3 > PS2
and before you stuff your foot in your mouth again:
Fudo reported that the forthcoming ATI R420 won\'t feature Pixel Shader 3.0 and this is what the document seems to confirms, and further, that it is a weak point – from a marketing perspective – for ATI, as Nvidia\'s forthcoming NV40 definitely will have Pixel Shader 3.0 support.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15106
quote and link, enjoy and please stop wasting my time
the original argument was that PS 3.0 wasn\'t any better than PS 2.0
http://tech-report.com/onearticle.x/6328
3DCenter says, "We can confirm free of doubts that the ATi R420-Chip will not offer Shader 3,0 support."
can\'t dispute that
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yes it was but then you changed it to R420 will not have it, which you do not know for a fact.
ALSO mm your credabilty just went right out the window, are you SIR quoting from the Inquier as a reliable source, do not make me fill pages here showing how many times they have made FUD up, LOL!!!!!
bahbahbahbahbah the Inquier,
PS. yes the inquirer has gotten some things right, but it\'s more like a 80/20 ratio from wrong to right. They are not real journalism, they are mostly go by rumors, secret so called sources etc...
Go crawl back in your hole..mm
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i give up, i\'m debating hardware with an ignorant child.
when R420 ships without PS 3.0, i\'ll expect an apology
the inq is a news site, just like any other. they claim no credibillity, just post news as they hear it
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(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hometheaterforum.com%2Fhtforum%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fpopcorn.gif&hash=208768742f1b86d5084732303b652c7311cce0ae) I like games
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same here, can\'t wait to play farcry or UT2K4 or painkiller with *cough* PS 3.0 enabled
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when R420 ships without PS 3.0, i\'ll expect an apology
Someone here has a short term memorey
Posted by: Nvidia256 I personally do not believe the R420 will have support for it, then again I could be wrong since we do not have the offical specs released yet, but beleive me i\'m willing to bank on it;
So I guess your not getting shit
the inq is a news site, just like any other
TOMS HARDWARE is a news/review site, just like any other, yet most people know that they are biased assholes over there, does that mean TH is a relibile source for new or reivews, NO!!!
You mentioned 3dcenter, they are an amazing site that defiantly has credibility, but the Inquirer has shown over time to have very little credibility, all they do is post article after article changing there story by making speculative, logical guesses, until they actually through statistics get one right, then people say "look the inquirer was right all along" but yet they forget all the previous BS articles they posted. They are not real journalism, cause real journalism does not change they’re story every 2 days. It’s hard to tell what to believe form that site, almost like a lottery ticket.
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tom accepts donations for reviews, it\'s common knowledge
again, the inq calls them as they see them
so, about PS 3.0 not looking any better than PS 2.0?
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i just id interject in your squable and ask we the hell is ps3.0
i mean i love computers but this video card shit is over my head
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ok, like I said we have to wait before we can conclusivly determined if PS 3.0 is all it\'s cracked up to be. Wait for r420, wait for comparison screenshots.
It\'s a little to eariler right now, to be making final judgment, That is my whole point.
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Originally posted by Jar O Pickles
i just id interject in your squable and ask we the hell is ps3.0
i mean i love computers but this video card shit is over my head
they\'re referring to the Pixel Shaders.
Found some crap on shaders etc.
http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20020116/index.html
haven\'t read it though, but your answers to what they do should be in there.
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Soul here is an excellent link that explains the difference between the 2 http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winhec/partners/shadermodel30_NVIDIA.mspx
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how can we wait for R20 comparisons wont it wont be supported?
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UPDATE -- pics posted by mm
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I took some time to look into this comparison, which from the start I found very suspicious. You can CLEARLy see the first pic in the comparison is not utilizing DX9 shaders, those pics are invalid. The first one is in "quasi-DirectX 7" mode and the other(buttom) is fully DX9. For anyone that has seen PS2.0 on ATI and then to look at pic one you would have to be ignorant/Blind to beleive that is true PS2.0 being rendered there.
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Totally unfair biased comparison, just like the PR NV stunt with the 3.0 VS 1.4
This is why when you first posted those pics mm, I asked under what conditions, what card etc.. Was this comparison done on, which you quitley avoided to answer.
NICE try MM--you slick, slimy little guy (you are Propaganda King)
OWNED!!!
I\'m done here!!!!
PS. sorry about edit\'s i\'m on wi-fi here at the gym
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your done? thank god, please take your trite bullshit elsewhere
and noone asked your personal opinion on what you think those pics display
the bottom line is this
PS 3.0 > PS 2.0 = Ati - support
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your done? thank god, please take your trite bullshit elsewhere
HOLD ON, ILL CALL A WAHBULANCE!!!
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Its ok, I know it hurts when you have been proven wrong, especially when I caught your little sneaky pathetic trick. MM you should lobby for the low life’s that run this country.
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you\'re not gone?
so PS 3.0 doesnt look any better than PS 2.0 right?
..you\'re gonna wear your F5 key out
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I personally won\'t make any judgements till i see a ps2.0 ATI card against a ps3.0 nvidia card.
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guess you got your email fixed, souly
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email wasn\'t the problem. Changing it was, ryu fixed it. :)
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o PS 3.0 doesnt look any better than PS 2.0 right?
I\'ll say this one more time, even though I mentioned this before, I will wait and see how it plays out, untill then you, nor I know(as a fact) if PS 3.0 is really gonna make that much of a difference if any.
Untill then please stop posting NVIDIA PR STUNT IMAGES
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PS 3.0 is going to make a world of difference
3dfx - " nah, who cares about 32 bit color in games?"
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http://www.driverheaven.net/articles/driverIQ/ hmmmm, nvida caught cheating.
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I believe 24 bits color is perfect as it\'s...maybe 32 bits is for something else? Alpha blending? Shrug? is that really important? don\'t know....
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"32-bit colour" is for all prac perposes is just 24-bit color that is aligned so that the color information for each pixel in the bitmap starts every four bytes vs. every three bytes.
The only reason this is done is that on the Intel 32-bit PCI/AGP/Memory data bus its more efficient to get at data that is "32-bit aligned".
(with 24-bit data you often actually have to read the pixel\'s data twice, and then mask for the bits you are interested in)
The fourth byte is normally wasted.
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PS3.0 = Faster path through the stupid GPU. does not mean better quality automatically, just means you can get more juice out of the hardware, and get better effects done.
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Oi, why didn\'t I see this thread earlier.
LOL at those comparision pics. That was PS 1 vs. 2/3. For now PS 2.0 and 3.0 look the same.
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=36
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Like I said Earlier nothing more than an NVIDIA PR STUNT
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:yawn: