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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: clips on April 30, 2004, 05:57:21 PM
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http://sports.ign.com/articles/510/510528p1.html
look out madden! :D
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aye, look out for madden to crush it
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^^^only reason for that will be because madden fans are like sheep...i used to be one of them until i finally gave espn a chance last year..i\'m hooked on it..i\'m never goin\' back to madden..madden probably was better with the extra stuff.. prices, ownership etc..,but i just loved espn gameplay..imo it plays more realistcally than madden..
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ESPN was easily my favorite football game last year. You can read some of my old posts from last year and see how much I liked it. This new version looks and sounds incredible. The online league portion ALONE makes it worth the purchase.
I personally felt that ESPN looked and played a lot more realistically than Madden. Madden was almost cartoony in comparison. Still, I can\'t knock Madden because you can be sure that I will definately have that too.
ESPN didn\'t sell nearly as many copies as Madden did but it still did incredibly well. Maybe it would help if ESPN itself would promote its own game as opposed to the competition\'s.
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but thierin lies the problem..espn & monday night football are by the same companies & we all know who\'s on monday night football right? i\'ve noticed alot last year that on espn chris berman would sometimes talk to madden about a game he was covering,..so i don\'t think that\'s the main reason but it might be a part of it..what is that saying "conflict of interest?" maybe that\'s what i\'m tryin\' to say...
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The graphics do look good, and theres a movie in there with TO where the animation looks pretty good (near the end it got unrealistic). My only problem is the pants kind of look painted from the front, and the shirts are too detailed. You cant see every whole on the jersey in real life, but thats just my view.
Im one of the sheep so ill be getting Madden 05. I think if i wasnt in the psx2c league id rent this but mainly because of the league im sticking to madden.
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I have set an open mind towards the Football games and every year I choose Madden. This year, I think I will be jumping ship though. I love the feel of the ESPN NFL series. What makes me mad though is that Madden damn well knew about making playmaker available for defense last year but most likely chose to withhold that feature so they had something for this year or this year\'s theme (defensive focus). It is going to be a real joy to start seeing these two compete at E3.
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for those of you still hatin\' on espn...read..
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/522/522096p1.html
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espn was better than madden last year imo..and looks to dominate...maybe not financially, but definitely in quality...
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as mm would say.."the madden killah!" :D
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this is for the cats that was touting "golly gee i get to set my own hotdog prices!" :rolleyes:
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the cheerleaders have gotten a small facelift as well..
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i cannot wait for this one...
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#1-2 in the link sound hot. I can\'t wait to play this.
BTW, I\'m glad that they varied the look of the cheerleaders.
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While looks sweet when does it come out?
If it wasn\'t for espn I would not play football games anymore.
I am so over madden. I hate midget players
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Originally posted by QuDDus
While looks sweet when does it come out?
If it wasn\'t for espn I would not play football games anymore.
I am so over madden. I hate midget players
:werd: you & me both qdog...you & me both..
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my thoughts:
To me gameplay is way more important than graphics, and madden has proved to be the better of the two. Now that they hopefully fixed the defense since they focused on it this year. In the article their tooting ESPN\'s horn for a "QB evasive" with the qb ducking a tackle by a lineman. Madden\'s already done that.
second thing they toot their horn about is "The first is Maximum Tackle. This allows defenders to choose whether to go for a more standard arm-wrap tackle or to try and knock the flop off the ball carrier. "...Madden added the same thing this year..just called Big Hit Stick. I guess ESPN\'s name sounds better.
Custom music? who cares.
I havent heard too much about madden, but i know they did fix the graphics, but iv never had a problem with them.
Only appealing thing i find is trading online which can have a huge downside. If a guy in a league does a big trade, then has to leave the league, the next guy could be unpleased with the trade and screw things up. Or get a douche to make 2 accounts in a league and trade until one of the teams has a lot of good players. Just speculation that these problems will happen. But yea..madden 2005\'s focus on defense is why im getting this game. Every football game online gets boring after a while because people find flukes that work every time. I bet people will find it in madden 2005 as well since people are stupid; but the big difference is is that u can audible your defense so if the guy runs the same play over and over..hes screwed. Just my 2 cents
Plus the players helmet look skinny as hell in ESPN\'s screenshots
But i do give ESPN props for this:
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/sports/espnnflfootball2005/screens.html?page=66
very cool. But in the end, gameplay owns
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i respect what you stated viper, but it\'s not just about the graphics..espn imo has better gameplay..if you put madden & espn side by side & watch them both play..espn plays more like a real game...also the part with the qb ducking espn already does that..it\'s just now you can control it...i don\'t play online..so i don\'t care about that..custom music?..nope espn delivers on gameplay...and the commentary & visuals are better than madden. like i said before it\'s not about the graphics espn has excellent gameplay as well...
i\'ve played madden since the genesis & i gave up on it in 03...same rehashes year after year..espn made real improvements in 04..
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Originally posted by clips
i respect what you stated viper, but it\'s not just about the graphics..espn imo has better gameplay..if you put madden & espn side by side & watch them both play..espn plays more like a real game...also the part with the qb ducking espn already does that..it\'s just now you can control it...i don\'t play online..so i don\'t care about that..custom music?..nope espn delivers on gameplay...and the commentary & visuals are better than madden. like i said before it\'s not about the graphics espn has excellent gameplay as well...
i\'ve played madden since the genesis & i gave up on it in 03...same rehashes year after year..espn made real improvements in 04..
i agree i feel the gameplay in espn is far better. I feel like I have way more control of the game in espn. I love playing defense in espn. It seems way more real. I hate the tackling in madden. In espn the tackling looks real.
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I just can\'t see how anyone who has played both can say that Madden was that much better than ESPN.
Madden was a great game but ESPN felt so much more polished. Maybe its just me.
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ESPN feels more like an arcade game while madden feels more like a sim. It\'s just a matter of taste. It\'s like compariong MS Flight Simulator to Ace Combat -- both have their very high points, but who loves what depends on what you really want out of the game. For that specific reason, that\'s why I love ESPN. I always felt ESPN was always far more fun and enjoyable a game then Madden from beginning to end. Having the ESPN logo slapped on it now just means their presentation is just that much better. I can\'t complain, but the biggest point I\'ve heard about is the entire ESPN lineup being released at 19.99 budget price... I will buy the ESPN NFL and NHL games at launch for that price. It\'s the perfect way to tear into Madden\'s stranglehold.
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Originally posted by Ryu
ESPN feels more like an arcade game while madden feels more like a sim.
Have you played ESPN NFL 2004? And, 2005 is suppose to implement momentum a lot better. Changes things around a bit huh ;)
I will agree with you though, like in NFL2k3 when the players could charge up and dive a mile for a tackle. Kind of gay. But those guys have their acts together and are really putting together something good.
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go here to get ESPN NFL 2005 for 22$ shipped
http://www.slickdeals.net/#p4784
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I\'ve played ESPN 2004 and honestly I hated it, the controls and game play are just unrealistic and how you speed burst is annoying. Plus IMO the cameras suck in the game especially when passing.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
I\'ve played ESPN 2004 and honestly I hated it, the controls and game play are just unrealistic and how you speed burst is annoying. Plus IMO the cameras suck in the game especially when passing.
I can\'t believe you called espn unrealistic that shows just how much ppl who play john madden now nothing about the game.
Those 1 play 40-70 yard touchdown passes in madden are so realistic:rolleyes:
And I hate tackling in madden it just looks so fake. And how is speed burst fake?
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2 words
defensive hotroutes
something madden gives me that just gives me so much more control and flexability at the line of scrimmage. Does ESPN let you do that? (maybe it does, I don\'t know much about the sega game)
Oh, and the custom audio thing is only for the xbox and pc. You need a hard drive to store the songs on and I don\'t think they are supporting the ps2 hard drive (since hardly anyone has it)
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Its common knowledge that Madden has always been more of a simulation style game, and ESPN hasn\'t.
I want something as realistic to football I see on TV every Sunday, and that is Madden.
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It isn\'t realistic feeling, and don\'t sit here and what I know about football just because I disagree with how a freaking game plays, real mature Quddus
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Exactly, don\'t talk down to either me or mike because we will own you in any football game you throw our way. Preferably Madden.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Exactly, don\'t talk down to either me or mike because we will own you in any football game you throw our way. Preferably Madden.
oh please b4 real. What makes madden real because you can set the parking, hot dog prices, merchandise pricing.
When it comes to defense and offense I would rather play espn. They just put it all together better than madden.
And until madden imporve the running game I won\'t touch it.
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Great you just proved something Quddus, that different strokes for different folks I could give you 100 reasons why Madden was better than ESPN and vice versa and neither of us would change our minds. Madden still ROCKS
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They are both great games but I disagree with Madden being a sim and ESPN being arcadey. I thought the playcalling and gameplay was a lot more realistic in ESPN.
I can seriously run back 2-3 kickoffs/punts a game in Madden using any team. The control is THAT unrealistic. You can turn any player with decent speed into Barry Sanders.
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why don\'t you join our madden league here and see how many kickoffs / punts you will return per game. I never play against the computer anymore, way too easy to just have my way with it.
:fro:
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Yea, when you play against the computer you don\'t get the same feel as if it was me kicking Jbeans ass like always. Try Madden online against some of us and see what you think then. Madden is more set to play other people it changes alot of things.
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All I play against is other people. When my buddies come by we toss in Madden.
Single player gets played the first couple of weeks after the game comes out. After that its all multiplayer.
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Have you guys seen the recent football friday? It\'s something which is in junction with operation sports. Go to operationsports.com and click on the most recent news link which reads, ESPN NFL 2005 6-11-04, and watch the 3 new movies. That whole juke with the right analog stick looks nice. They also have videos of the halftime show with video highlights, unfortunately if you have a PS2, you will need the HDD or you will only see still images.
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Well I was once a madden head and ragged on espn. Till I finally went and played it. I liked nfl 2k on dc but I always felt that it was nowhere close to madden.
Clips kept bragging on it so I went and rented it and ended up buying the game. And I tell you I have not played madden since.
But like you guys have all said to each his own.
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http://www.easports.com/articles/04a/e3awards.jsp
madden got awards from people who played the games at e3. Im assuming they played both since they are the most anticipated sports games.
3 videos:
http://www.easports.com/games/madden2005/downloads.jsp
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Awards are one thing, but I don\'t care what editors think about games anymore especially pre-final builds. That means nothing to me.
ESPN is more like an arcade football game and those of you who think ESPN is bad because of that fact just have your heads in the clouds. But when it comes to choosing between Madden and ESPN, it\'s a matter of preference. I for one enjoy the fact that ESPN isn\'t as rigid with its gameplay as Madden tends to be. I love that ESPN is so smooth and has the running game that I enjoy. It\'s this type of game that I personally prefer just as I would Ace Combat to Flight Simulator or Ridge Racer to Gran Turismo. I don\'t need the excessive realism. I like being able to tweak it as I see fit. I like how fast it plays.
But that\'s just me...
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Paying $19.99 for ESPN NFL 2005....
If ESPN ever had a great idea to bring down Madden, this was it.
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by whoring themselves out? Fine by me either way I\'m still going with Madden. 20 dollars is just a scheme to get people to buy so they can try and out sell Madden.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
by whoring themselves out? Fine by me either way I\'m still going with Madden. 20 dollars is just a scheme to get people to buy so they can try and out sell Madden.
just goes to show you\'re sheep.."no matter what madden is the greatest blah blah blah"...i used to be like you i bought madden faithfully i never gave espn a 2nd look...i\'ve had espn since it came out and just the other day i\'ve heard a comment made that i haven\'t heard before! abd i\'ve had the game since it came out!
that said the presentation,.. halftime shows..primetime..these are what set espn from madden and i already stated espn plays more realistically..for years we as players wanted a decent halftime show..we wanted updates from week to week..yes it\'s all cosmetic but this is what espn has and that is what you see on television...that\'s a fact..you cats act like you\'re on EA\'s payroll..
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This $19.99 thing may be the smartest move they ever made. This is already one of the top selling games at EBGames and Gamestop.
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At twenty dollars, even if you\'re a total friggin Madden whore, it can\'t hurt to try it. Heck, twenty bucks these days for some cars isn\'t even enough to fill up a full tank of gas and we\'re talking about hours and hours of fun here. :)
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the new king ;) you might have to hit pause to let it load..
http://www.espnvideogames.com/news/movie.php?id=509
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Originally posted by JBean
2 words
defensive hotroutes
something madden gives me that just gives me so much more control and flexability at the line of scrimmage. Does ESPN let you do that?
As a matter of fact it does.
Here is a quote from the games lead AI programmer:
The new system will work within the defensive shifting system. Instead of using the r-stick to adjust your group, you can select an individual player using a button. From that point, you can double-team a receiver, blitz, delay blitz, and spy the QB. I recommend watching the tutorial Defensive Training videos found in our Extras to learn how to use these features in the game. The extra treat is that the pinching/crowding functionality available to groups is also available. SO you can have one corner playing off a receiver and one in press.
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this halftime show is from the xbox, but you can get the same results only with the ps2 hdd..still this footage is amazing..to my knowledge madden doesn\'t have this..
http://www.espnvideogames.com/news/movie.php?id=583&gid=7
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this is suzy kolber from the postgame show, it\'s a little rough around the edges, but it\'s still a solid effort and this is what you see on tv..
http://www.espnvideogames.com/news/movie.php?id=582&gid=7
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Any football fan will most likely give ESPN NFL2k5 a try at 19.99. And that is all ESPN / Take Two / Visual Concepts wants from the consumer. This will expand their fan base and possible gain many once Madden loyalists. It all makes perfect sense and personally, I don\'t think I will be getting Madden this year anyway. Nothing has impressed me. I don\'t want some player to cry about playing time or not getting the ball enough then have his stats lowered because of it. Sure I can turn that feature off, but then why wouldn\'t I just play Madden 2004?
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Originally posted by square_marker
Sure I can turn that feature off, but then why wouldn\'t I just play Madden 2004?
because espn is better ;)...on another note i just played ncaa at eb & basically that\'s a clone of madden & i went home and put in espn..and i\'m sorry..yea it\'s still my opinion but espn just plays so much more like real football..madden\'s a good game, but espn took the crown last year imo...and looks forward to keepin\' it...
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I\'ve tried the sega games the last 4 years and they haven\'t impressed me at all really. I tried that stupid helmet cam feature last year, totally lame. The running in that game looks awful too for some reason. Maybe thats the speed burst, I don\'t know.
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Originally posted by unfocused
I\'ve tried the sega games the last 4 years and they haven\'t impressed me at all really. I tried that stupid helmet cam feature last year, totally lame. The running in that game looks awful too for some reason. Maybe thats the speed burst, I don\'t know.
i\'ll agree with you on one thing..i can\'t really get into that 1st person view thing either..yea they was trying something new but i think they should can it..everything else i respectfully disagree with you... the running game? awful?..sorry running may be slighty juiced for key players (ricky williams, marshall faulk) but it looks more realistic to me than madden...
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Originally posted by clips
because espn is better ;)...on another note i just played ncaa at eb & basically that\'s a clone of madden & i went home and put in espn..and i\'m sorry..yea it\'s still my opinion but espn just plays so much more like real football..madden\'s a good game, but espn took the crown last year imo...and looks forward to keepin\' it...
You are truly a great man.
Let me do a side by side or what have you, compairson of the two premier football titles coming out shall I?
Madden\'s Additions
1. Storyline Central - Players now act as if they were real people with feelings. If your star player doesn\'t get the ball as much as he thinks he should, his morale will lower which will lower his stats. Also, he may ask to be traded to other squads, it does have its bonus part too with boosting team morale, but if you are like me and run the ball 70% of the time, your going to have some pretty pissed off WRs which will want to be traded. I don\'t want to be told how to run my offensive, that is all.
2. Newspaper Stories - National newspapers along with local ones will now be ran with headlines, local will concentrate on your team while national with concentrate on the league.
3. Bruno\'s Radio Show - This feature gives you some inside information inside the NFL and the on goings with Storyline Central. Basically, it is what Madden has to offer against ESPN\'s sportscenter.
4. Defensive Playermaker - Choose zone, bump and run, blitzing and a few other things on the presnap. Eh, most likely no one will use or have time to use this. This is EA\'s backbone this year.
5. Hit Stick - About 10 brand new tackles can be excuted by the right analog stick. This hits are bigger and can cause more fumbles but also have a risk of missing more.
6. Improved player models and refined graphics.
7. Online rushing attack... (HOMO)
8. Create a fan... ? lets me a fat ass with suspenders and a Lions hat. HOW COOL!!!!.... lame
ESPN NFL 2k5
1. Maximum Tackling - Giving good use to ONE button. Tap it for a heavy more risky but sometimes rewarding hit, or hold for a wrap tackle which is safer but doesn\'t bring your opponent down as quickly.
2. Gamecast Live - Lets you replay any play during the entire game and see what went wrong or how it happened. Very nice for improving yourself or just taunting your friend.
3. VIP - Gamer\'s personal profile which can be transfer onto your memory card. After it is on your card, you can play that person through the computer but the computer will play just like the persons profile you downloaded. You can also DL profiles off the internet from celebrities or just the top ranked player. Great way of improving yourself.
4. Online Leagues with Live Rosters - Leagues setup directly through the online server with live rosters allowing for trades and injuries. Stat tracking is all done by the server.
5. Weekly Prep - Go by each day from Monday to Friday assigning tasks for each position or team member to do such as weight room / wind sprints to something like swimming or yoga. Also give post game speeches which determine team morale and team focus. Very indepth feature which adds a lot to the franchise mode.
6. Impoved Graphics - Running animations have been improved as well as player porportions such as arm length. Grass now is kicked up when players run and jerseys get progressively dirtier as games go on. Tons and tons of new crowd cutscenes and player cutscenes
7. Improved ESPN presentation with video highlights at halftime and post game with chris berman. Player interviews with Suzy and weekly sportscenter with video highlights in franchise mode.
8. Defensive Matchups - Same thing as madden\'s defensive playmaker, (might I add, Madden\'s entire emphasis this year)
9 Right Analog Stick Jukes - different and varying jukes now can be done using the right analog sticks.
10. Improved 1st person football where you can switch to 3rd on the fly. QB goes through progressions now.
11. Momentum addition to Gameplay - Players now cut and pivot when changing directions sharply. The arcadeyness is now gone my friends.
12. 20 customizeable touchdown celebrations which can be button programed.
13. Revamped crib mode which serves a purpose now.
14. Game costs 19.99!
15. Customizeable music for XBOX users only.
16. Always connected online so if anyone needs to reach you when they are online, they can. Makes leagues easier.
It is easy to see in my mind which is the better game, but I am not here telling you which is better, I am merely stating my opinion on this.
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you truly are a great man..as much as i like espn..and i still like madden to a degree, i would have never done such a comparison the way you just did..it truly stated what both games have to offer..excellent take on both games..:)
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one of ESPN\'s finest features IMO is the video highlight of the weeks games, but bear in mind that\'s only available on the XBOX
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Originally posted by IareEthan
one of ESPN\'s finest features IMO is the video highlight of the weeks games, but bear in mind that\'s only available on the XBOX
you\'re wrong there bro...you\'ll still be able to see the weeks highlights on ps2, but you\'ll only get still images of the HALFTIME report..you\'ll be able to get video highlights of your game in the halftime report only if you have the harddrive...
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this is the halftime show for ps2
http://www.espnvideogames.com/news/movie.php?id=584&gid=7
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you\'ll be able to see this regardless of whether you have a harddrive or not...
http://www.espnvideogames.com/news/movie.php?id=585&gid=7
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I was aware of the still images...and that\'s still a cool feature, but somewhat quirky. Are you sure the weekly highlights are available in video form without the hard drive?
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Originally posted by IareEthan
I was aware of the still images...and that\'s still a cool feature, but somewhat quirky. Are you sure the weekly highlights are available in video form without the hard drive?
I am positive that you need a HDD with the PS2 to see video highlights. Lucky for me, I own one :)
Speaking of the game and such, ESPN NFL 2k5 is being released 2 weeks ahead of schedule on July 20th. This doesn\'t really bother me since the game is already done. They always are finished. Sucks for people without downloadable rosters though.
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im not to sure about it being a video if theres no harddrive.
Now i have no idea what im going to do,lol. Iv always been happy with madden, and im still skeptical about how ESPN looks. Wish they would show more videos of madden to get a feel of what it will look like.
Plus i dont want to join a new online league and start out as a newb when i already know most of the people in the madden league. Dillemmas dilemmas...wish i was rich so i wouldnt be hesitant to buy both,lol.
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Also ships on the 20th of this month... w00t. July 20th, 20 bucks will go to Visual Concepts. :)
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is it 20 bucks when you walk in and buy it? or do you have to pre-order?
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Originally posted by clips
i\'ll agree with you on one thing..i can\'t really get into that 1st person view thing either..yea they was trying something new but i think they should can it..everything else i respectfully disagree with you... the running game? awful?..sorry running may be slighty juiced for key players (ricky williams, marshall faulk) but it looks more realistic to me than madden...
Im talking about the running animation, just looks unnatural to me. I don\'t know, in that comparison between the two it said the running animation has improved so I\'ll definitely give it a shot.
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I\'m all about ESPN for the presentation, the graphics, and the online league play this year (making trades online? ****ing sweet). But I really don\'t like the running game. As it\'s been said...the animations have supposedly improved...but running was just TOO easy last year. I had a back who was less than a stud in Duce staley, and managed easily 150 YPG. He just broke too many tackles ... not only him, but the then severely under-rated Westbrook.
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Originally posted by IareEthan
I\'m all about ESPN for the presentation, the graphics, and the online league play this year (making trades online? ****ing sweet). But I really don\'t like the running game. As it\'s been said...the animations have supposedly improved...but running was just TOO easy last year. I had a back who was less than a stud in Duce staley, and managed easily 150 YPG. He just broke too many tackles ... not only him, but the then severely under-rated Westbrook.
Try running against me if you thinks it\'s easy. I will shut you down.
And try turning the game up to the hardest level. Thats the only way to play man. pro and allpro is for punks.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
is it 20 bucks when you walk in and buy it? or do you have to pre-order?
The game costs 19.99, no strings attached.
Try running against me if you thinks it\'s easy. I will shut you down.
I\'m gunna take you out with my Lions!
Seriously, if enough people get ESPN 2k5 this year, I say we start an online league with the members here. I mean there have to be others who are coverting from Madden to ESPN. Plus, we won\'t have to do any stats or anything, just news stories if we wanted to.
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I\'ve been in the madden league here since season I, and I am definately gonna rent this game and maybe even buy it if I like how it plays. I could easily convert I think as i\'m getting a little tired of supporting EA and their lazy upgrades for the past several seasons.
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Well a few stores in Texas have been telling there preorders that the game comes in possibly later tonight or tommorow. Pretty crazy if you ask me. The Operation Sports board is going crazy though.
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the price plus the qulaity of the game could convert me from one of those madden sheep to a ESPN guy. wouldn\'t that be something.
but i really think this is a bold move for ESPN and hope it pays off for them. as of this post i am putting a $20 aside for the game.
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You are not alone. Many people I was talking with today at my local Gamestop, where I was paying off my preorder of ESPN, had said they would put some money down for ESPN. The way I see it is, why not just try it if anything else? Once these people try it, it will start turning some heads. Don\'t be suprised of Madden is wasted this year, not just out sold, completely outdone!
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I\'ve been in the madden league here since season I, and I am definately gonna rent this game and maybe even buy it if I like how it plays. I could easily convert I think as i\'m getting a little tired of supporting EA and their lazy upgrades for the past several seasons.
Just think, if you pay 5 bucks to rent it, you already paid for 1/4 of the price. Just buy it and save cash (I can\'t believe I was able to saying something like that about a new game).
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Originally posted by square_marker
I am positive that you need a HDD with the PS2 to see video highlights. Lucky for me, I own one :)
Speaking of the game and such, ESPN NFL 2k5 is being released 2 weeks ahead of schedule on July 20th. This doesn\'t really bother me since the game is already done. They always are finished. Sucks for people without downloadable rosters though.
i\'m sure you only need the harddrive to see video highlights from YOUR game at halftime and possilbly during the weekly highlights..espn 2k4 already shows weekly highlights now in video form on ps2..it would be silly for that option to be required this year for video highlights alone when last year they didn\'t need the harddrive to show them..
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for football fans there is no reason this year not to at least try out espn. i\'ve usually bought both or at least rented both and bought the one i thought was better if the $$$ was short. usually that was espn for me. although madden won out for me in 2001 i think.
this year i\'ve preordered espn based on the reviews first and the $$ second. then i\'ll probably rent madden and see how it compares.
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Originally posted by clips
i\'m sure you only need the harddrive to see video highlights from YOUR game at halftime and possilbly during the weekly highlights..espn 2k4 already shows weekly highlights now in video form on ps2..it would be silly for that option to be required this year for video highlights alone when last year they didn\'t need the harddrive to show them..
Last years game didn\'t push the PS2 to it\'s limits. This year they said it was required. If you still don\'t believe me I will go out and find it from a more reliable source.
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Originally posted by square_marker
Last years game didn\'t push the PS2 to it\'s limits. This year they said it was required. If you still don\'t believe me I will go out and find it from a more reliable source.
yea, i heard they made the game for the xbox and then downgraded to the ps2 (which isnt much) and pushes the PS2. Last year they made the game for the ps2, not pushing the limits, then made the same game for xbox. sorry if that doesnt make sense.
Im still getting madden though, and debating with espn.
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Originally posted by square_marker
Last years game didn\'t push the PS2 to it\'s limits. This year they said it was required. If you still don\'t believe me I will go out and find it from a more reliable source.
yea i suggest you do that...not that i don\'t believe you or anything and you may very well be right..it\'s just that i could\'ve sworn you only needed the harddrive for highlights of YOUR halftime highlights & for your weekly highlights for the whole week..
i noticed in espn 2k4 they would never show highlights from your game..i think it had to do with memory storage thus, the hdd option..but i will look around as well and if that is the case, i will just cop the harddrive...
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Q: Will we be able to see plays from our own game during the weekly wrap-up (sportscenter)?
A: Yes, if you have an Xbox or PS2 + Hard Drive, you’ll get User Highlights. You’ll find that this year’s SportsCenter pushes the envelope of presentation to a place no football game has gone before. In addition to seeing actual plays from your games, you’ll also see Highlights from around the league, interspersed between news of trades, injuries, and other happenings from around the NFL. If you like watching SportsCenter, you’ll probably get a lot of enjoyment out of our virtual SC.
source, Rick Brown, Asst. Producer http://www.espnvideogames.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18987
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The Gamepro review said that the Xbox version looks pretty good(for the Xbox) and the PS2 version looks GREAT(for the PS2).
They said something along the lines of this being the first legitimate contender for Madden\'s crown in YEARS and with the $19.99 price tag you would be a fool to not get it.
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wow. I just watched videos on IGN.com for espn and am hugely becoming skeptical of it. The presentation is getting the game a bunch of hype, so i checked out maddens videos and espn.
Madden had 2 retards playing it that kept throwing bombs...and they were working. But i think if a normal person is playing D, then it wont be as likely to work. Some of the animations were iffy/unrealistic, and the same as 2004. Hoping its not the same as NCAA, cuz so far im not liking it as much as i would hope.
ESPN had a bunch of unrealistic broken tackles. Dillon (i think) broke about 5 tackles in a one second period, stayley broke about 5 tackles for a 50 yard gain, jamal lewis not only broke about 4 tackles but then out ran everyone else including the safteys. Barlow had a couple runs where he broke a bunch of tackles. They didnt show much of the passing game though so i cant be devils advocate on that. I will definitly give the props on the deep pass coverage which turned into interceptions. A couple others worked but they do in real life too. And of course the graphics, but if madden would mix the torso/helmet into it, then it would be the best out there.
Bottom line..Ill pass on the 20 dollar game and go with madden.
links:
Madden: http://media.sports.ign.com/articles/528/528097/vids_1.html
ESPN: http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/674/674666/vids_1.html
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Your loss, but then again, to each his own.
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Well I guess I will be buying the xbox version because I am not going to shell out cash for the ps2 hdd.
Kind of sucks though cause i wanted the ps2 version hoping they would start an espn league.
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Bottom line..Ill pass on the 20 dollar game and go with madden.
Wait wait, they throw bombs in Madden all the time and they are successful with them and your reasoning is bad D, but a guy breaks a few tackles in ESPN and the game is total crap? Why doesn\'t ESPN get the fair shake on this one with the benefit of the doubt like you gave Madden? Why can\'t the guys playing ESPN get the write-off of bad D? What\'s with the double standard? If I were you, I\'d wait awhile longer until some credible sites got a hold of final builds and reviewed it -- which is basically anyone except gamepro.
In all honesty though, it really doesn\'t matter. Just about every year since the NFL series has been in production from Visual Concepts, sites and magazines have declared it THE football game to play. It has won direct showdowns over and over again with IGN and Gamespot to name a few and people still refuse to buy it and still would rather stick with Madden. This isn\'t directed at you or anything Viper, but I\'m totaly amazed at such blinding loyalty that Madden fans consistantly show. It\'s got to be pretty damn strong for people to say "20 bucks for a possibly superior football game then Madden which is close to triple that value? I\'ll stick with Madden."
It absolutely amazes me.
[edit] -- ESPN NFL2K5 review from IGN (http://xbox.ign.com/articles/530/530939p1.html)
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Okay, after getting a taste of NCAA 2005, I\'m definitely getting Madden 2005 because the same guys made the game, and they know what they\'re doing.
Madden > *
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Originally posted by Ryu
Wait wait, they throw bombs in Madden all the time and they are successful with them and your reasoning is bad D, but a guy breaks a few tackles in ESPN and the game is total crap? Why doesn\'t ESPN get the fair shake on this one with the benefit of the doubt like you gave Madden? Why can\'t the guys playing ESPN get the write-off of bad D? What\'s with the double standard? If I were you, I\'d wait awhile longer until some credible sites got a hold of final builds and reviewed it -- which is basically anyone except gamepro.
Because you can control the defense. they werent even audibling. You cant control broken tackles and its frusterating as hell. But i know it sounded lopsided, which i kind of am mainly because iv never been displeased with madden. Iv been displeased with how people play online but not that actual game. And its more than a few tackles so dont downplay that. It was rediculous after it happened almost every clip of a guy running.
And again, the main reason im sticking with madden is because of the psx2c madden league. Its probably one (if not the best) organized league. If i werent in it i would get ESPN on xbox. But thats not saying its better than madden.
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To me, the reasoning on this one is pretty full-proof. You\'re getting a game that\'s WELL worth 50 dollars and could very well be better then Madden -- for a mere 20 bucks. Owning both shouldn\'t even be a question in people\'s minds. You\'re getting the two best football games in the world, both totaly solid products in every respect, for a mere 70 dollars total. I mean, I can\'t stand IGN, but the closing comments in that review link I posted from both reviewers really sums up well how I feel about this.
I just think people would be fools to pass this up solely because they like one game better then the other. I mean, how often does something like this in videogame release history actually happen?
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Originally posted by square_marker
Q: Will we be able to see plays from our own game during the weekly wrap-up (sportscenter)?
A: Yes, if you have an Xbox or PS2 + Hard Drive, you’ll get User Highlights. You’ll find that this year’s SportsCenter pushes the envelope of presentation to a place no football game has gone before. In addition to seeing actual plays from your games, you’ll also see Highlights from around the league, interspersed between news of trades, injuries, and other happenings from around the NFL. If you like watching SportsCenter, you’ll probably get a lot of enjoyment out of our virtual SC.
source, Rick Brown, Asst. Producer http://www.espnvideogames.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18987
I am so pissed you can only get all this on the xbox version. I know it\'s only 20bucks but I am not buying it on two consoles.
I\'ll buy the ps2 version only if we are lucky enough to get a league here like the madden folks.
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want to get your guys\' opinion.
Im probably going to get ESPN. Theres a chance i wont because im hesitating owning 2 football games. I dont want to suck in the league and get confused by the controls, and i also dont want to buy a game and not use it.
Anyway, would it be better to get it on xbox and have the video highlights but have old rosters (theyre going to be pretty old since they have it coming out so early). Or have the updateable roster for PS2 and not have the video highlights.
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Get the PS2 version! Many owners here have the PS2, i.e. the Madden league and hopefully they convert so that we can make a ESPN league. Very low maintance for the league since everythig is already set up for us through ESPN.
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Weve been talking about it on the forums and it looks like most are sticking with madden. Especially the big guys like the admins. But there will be a few (not sure how many but i know of 3 er 4..probably more since not that many are active in the forums)
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Well whatever the case, I\'ll end up making a league and asking the forum members here with the PS2 version if they wanna join first. That way at least some of us can get together and play if we want too.
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Lord knows that if the Admins are sticking with it , it would have to be a superior game, right?
:rolleyes:
Madden is over-rated and always has been. Since VC came into play with the DC they have been one-uppin\' EA , but blind Madden fans will never notice this.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Lord knows that if the Admins are sticking with it , it would have to be a superior game, right?
:rolleyes:
Madden is over-rated and always has been. Since VC came into play with the DC they have been one-uppin\' EA , but blind Madden fans will never notice this.
Agreed. Oh, and not to burst your bubble, but I\'m an admin and I think ESPN is better and no one listens to me. :)
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I ment the admins of the league
But im also not retarded and didnt mean that just because the all-knowing great admins are staying with madden that its a better game, but what i was saying was the people that are leading the league arent changing and neither are 99% of the people in the league. Even if theyre getting espn, theyre still getting madden. I think..unless the people who dont post are switching.
anyway..anyone get it today? best buy said they were either getting more tonight or tomorrow.
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I was going to wait and see if they would start a league, but I think I will just go buy the xbox verison 2marrow.
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This game is getting some awesome reviews.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Agreed. Oh, and not to burst your bubble, but I\'m an admin and I think ESPN is better and no one listens to me. :)
I play Madden quite abit durin\' the actual "foosball" season and I am sure I will play this year\'s version sometime or another, but personally, I loved VC\'s NFL2K series and I figure, if they are doin\' something better than that series and only charging $20 bucks, I can\'t pass it up. I am amazed that so many people can pass up this game simply because it does not have the Madden brand name on it.
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If anyone would like some impressions I am more than happy to give them to you. Any questions I will field :)
Let me just say, so far, i\'m impressed :)
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Just got home with the game, pretty excited.
This is the first time I\'ve evcer even TRIED a football game othor than Madden.
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Luke, do you have it for the PS2? If so, my user name for online is squaremarker. Bring it!
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Originally posted by square_marker
Let me just say, so far, i\'m impressed :)
Ditto
I was loving it when Steve-O and Carmen Electra called me up at my "Crib" to challenge me to a game.
BTW, The Gameplanning in this game is the best I have seen in any football game. Looking at the in-depth scouting report and having your player(s) train during the week to specifically target the report, then having it work in the game is great.
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Yeah, so far I\'m taking my Lions through a franchise and we are going into week 2 of preseason. My first weekly prep results weren\'t so hot as I was afraid to over work my players but after a 7 sack game by the packers, I wind sprinted my oline to death and worked my entire crew twice as hard. I had a 6 pt jump for matt joyce and 4 for dre bly. As soon as I get the hang of this I should be alright.
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Originally posted by square_marker
Luke, do you have it for the PS2? If so, my user name for online is squaremarker. Bring it!
Sorry guy... XBOX here.
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So how is it? I\'ve heard the game play is still lacking, but presentation and everything else is awesome, I might get it for the Xbox just to play my friends online.
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yea. maybe i went into the game with too much expectation with all this hype its getting but i was kind of disappointed. Still a good game but the gameplay lacks compared to madden. The running animation is weird. Vick runs like a girl and i dont know if im doing something wrong but i cant smoothly turn when im running. I have to stop for a split second then turn up field which is kind of stupid. The passing game is pretty good but its kind of slow when the receiver catches it. And of course the presentation and graphics kick ass so its definitly worth 20 bucks.
BUT, if madden and espn were both 50 bucks id get madden in a heartbeat. Dont get why people try to say madden is a bad game compared to the godly espn. The gameplay just isnt up to par with madden.
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You know, I actually prefer ESPNs gameplay as opposed to Maddens. Just letting the QB drop back himself and then hit my target feels right. My only complaint is on DB coverage. It is hard to control your player when a lob is thrown and the computer sometimes doesn\'t do a good enough job.
One thing I will mention that I absoultely love about this game:
When tackling someone, there will be periods were the player being tackled will fall slowly. Slow enough for you to get another pop in from another player. Now instead of just falling off the player who is being tackled, the 2nd tackler latches on and changes the player who is being tackled direction. I love the contant gang tackles.
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I think this game is very much on par with Madden, but not better than Madden.
The presentation is frickin\' incredible.
How great is it to watch Sportscenter after you play a week of games and watch all the highlights!?
Is that only on the XBOX?
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Nope it\'s PS2 also. Plus I have a HDD so its virtually the same just with a little downplay on the graphics.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
but i cant smoothly turn when im running. I have to stop for a split second then turn up field which is kind of stupid.
sorry..but i see this as an impronement..no longer will the player be able to cut on a dime..the player now has to adjust his footing before making the cut..it\'s called being more realistic..that said i have the game & while i haven\'t played madden yet, i must say that this is thee best football game there is period...i can understand some being madden loyalists but for you not to even fork over 20 bucks for a stellar game is just crazy...
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stop with the damn madden loyalist. its the better game. When a guy is running, im afriad in real life they are able to run to the left sideline and make a smooth rounded turn to get around the defense. You cant do it in this game. The guy stops his running and turns. Madden you can actually run and smoothly go around. Im not talking from going right to left, im talking going from right to straight in a realistic manner.
Its far from the best game. YOUR JUST A ESPN FANNNBOOOOY. Annoy after a while isnt it? Just because madden people think its the better game they are obviously the ones who are dilusional and wrong and follow into the brand. DUR NO DUR.
and i did buy the game.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
stop with the damn madden loyalist. its the better game. When a guy is running, im afriad in real life they are able to run to the left sideline and make a smooth rounded turn to get around the defense. You cant do it in this game. The guy stops his running and turns. Madden you can actually run and smoothly go around. Im not talking from going right to left, im talking going from right to straight in a realistic manner.
Its far from the best game. YOUR JUST A ESPN FANNNBOOOOY. Annoy after a while isnt it? Just because madden people think its the better game they are obviously the ones who are dilusional and wrong and follow into the brand. DUR NO DUR.
and i did buy the game.
well i wouldn\'t call myself an espn fanboy...i\'ve been a loyal madden fan up until 2003,..and just got tired of the same ol gameplay...i bought espn last year & i\'ve played madden 2004 & to me madden takes a backseat to espn...but i will agree with you on the running..madden runs more smoothly when running in a straight line then running to the right or left...still imo espn plays more realistically than madden,..but i will have to wait & see how madden 2005 plays...
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I have been a Madden loyalist for years but purchased ESPN 2005 tonight because I knew it had something to offer Madden just didnt. I\'ve been loving every second of the gameplay. The presentation is especially like none other. I just wish I had a harddrive for the halftime show.
Im still looking forward to Madden though. I think it\'s a win win situation with either game. I plan on owning boht.
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yea i plan on getting the harddrive because i didn\'t know they showed highlights even in the post game show...i thought the presentation was great last year, this year they\'ve taken it a step further...
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Im still looking forward to Madden though. I think it\'s a win win situation with either game. I plan on owning boht.
This is the exact mentality Madden fans should be approaching this game with. If you\'re a diehard Madden fan, it\'s obvious that you won\'t change your opinion on which is better unless John Madden himself supports ESPN, but until then, how can anyone honestly say no to a full featured game such as ESPN NFL 2K5 at $20 and still maintain a straight face?
This $20 dollar deal is once in a lifetime and its primary goal is to show the diehard that ESPN does indeed have its huge advantages over Madden. You don\'t have to switch up, that\'s for sure, but you most likely won\'t be hurting yourself or your wallet by owning two of the best football games ever made.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
stop with the damn madden loyalist. its the better game. When a guy is running, im afriad in real life they are able to run to the left sideline and make a smooth rounded turn to get around the defense. You cant do it in this game. The guy stops his running and turns. Madden you can actually run and smoothly go around. Im not talking from going right to left, im talking going from right to straight in a realistic manner.
There is no one in existance that can go from running full speed toward the sideline-to running up the field without planting their foot.
If you think the way Madden handled momentum and turning was better than this you are delusional.
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I played a few games of ESPN the other night and I was totally blown away by the presentation. Really the graphics overall are a pretty good step up from what madden offers.
The only thing I didn\'t like about it was the gameplay. It was like beating off with boxing gloves.... guess it\'s just not for me. And if by "huge advantages" over madden is the presentation and video highlights, then we have different views on what a game should be centered on..... good gameplay.
I\'m not touting madden as the end all, be all of football video games. ESPN does a lot of things right, it just isn\'t for me (yet).
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
stop with the damn madden loyalist. its the better game. When a guy is running, im afriad in real life they are able to run to the left sideline and make a smooth rounded turn to get around the defense. You cant do it in this game. The guy stops his running and turns. Madden you can actually run and smoothly go around. Im not talking from going right to left, im talking going from right to straight in a realistic manner.
Its far from the best game. YOUR JUST A ESPN FANNNBOOOOY. Annoy after a while isnt it? Just because madden people think its the better game they are obviously the ones who are dilusional and wrong and follow into the brand. DUR NO DUR.
and i did buy the game.
I think your problem is that when your running to the left and you want to cut up field, you don\'t gradually bring the control stick toward the top, instead you just stop pushing left and go right to up. I had this problem but when I went into the practice mode I found out why it was happening. You can try that if you\'d like ;)
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
There is no one in existance that can go from running full speed toward the sideline-to running up the field without planting their foot.
If you think the way Madden handled momentum and turning was better than this you are delusional.
p.s I can\'t go get the game til tomarrow so I am pissed
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
There is no one in existance that can go from running full speed toward the sideline-to running up the field without planting their foot.
If you think the way Madden handled momentum and turning was better than this you are delusional.
I dont think u get what i was talking about. dont worry about it.
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kinda off topic..just heard my team dallas just signed eddie george...damn that\'s one of the drawbacks of releasing a game early..i guess there\'s a way to update the roster? i don\'t usually bother with that stuff but when i\'m playing i\'d like to make sure i\'m as current as possible...
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if your not connected online don\'t buy sports games.
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You might have mentioned if you bought this for Xbox or PS2, Clips, but on the Xbox version at least, the minute you sign on (provided you use xboxlive or even sign up with the two free months included in the game package), the roster will update.
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I like the fact that they have pictures for the players that you draft.
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The only thing I dont like is that you cant edit players once you start your franchise... It\'s a small thing but that really bugs me.
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^^^You can edit incoming rookies.
Why would you want to edit regular players?
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Well, I\'m a big roster nerd.
Let\'s say I\'m wathcing a game on Sunday.. I see a certain player wears a different style fasemask than the one he has in the game.
I wanna be able to go change it.
Yeah, I know, its small potatos but I\'m a nerd like that.
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I see what you are saying. I get real anal about players being on the wrong team.
BTW, Has anyone tried the ESPN25 games? Some of those games are RIDICUOLOUSLY hard. I don\'t know why I keep playing them. The immaculate reception scenario is giving me SO much grief.
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Can you put yer own music on the ps2 version using the HDD? if so, how do you do it? the instructions are so ****ing vague for this game.
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Don\'t know about the ps2... but I LOVE that I can put my own music in the game.
Rockin\' out to At The Drive-In while I create my player:)
I just got my XBOX a week ago, and I\'m lovin\' it (like McDonalds)
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
stop with the damn madden loyalist. its the better game. When a guy is running, im afriad in real life they are able to run to the left sideline and make a smooth rounded turn to get around the defense. You cant do it in this game. The guy stops his running and turns. Madden you can actually run and smoothly go around. Im not talking from going right to left, im talking going from right to straight in a realistic manner.
Its far from the best game. YOUR JUST A ESPN FANNNBOOOOY. Annoy after a while isnt it? Just because madden people think its the better game they are obviously the ones who are dilusional and wrong and follow into the brand. DUR NO DUR.
and i did buy the game.
Not only are you crazy, you\'re ignorant.
As far as football games go, from what I have played of ESPN it beats the hell out of previous Madden games and I have played most of them (infact, most of them are in the other friggin\' room).
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Not only are you crazy, you\'re ignorant.
As far as football games go, from what I have played of ESPN it beats the hell out of previous Madden games and I have played most of them (infact, most of them are in the other friggin\' room).
EDIT: screw it..
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I just got it
"hehe"
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I haven\'t started my franchise yet just went throught training to see what has change. So far I am impressed. The tackling has gotten so much better. And the passing seems to gotten a lot of smoother.
I\'ll post more later.
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Qu, do you have the PS2 version?
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I have it, and I enjoy it. It is a good football game in it\'s own right I supoose...yet you can add all the bells and whistles you want, but when it comes down to it, gameplay is what keeps you coming back...and that\'s why I must say I am really anticipating this years madden.
In ESPN, It\'s still too easy to run, the quarterbacks are ALL unrealistically fast (****ing Jeff Blake is NOT going to outrun any linebacker as he can in this game)...the gameplay is just generally lacking. The run seems quirky, the pass has it\'s own flaws (one of my biggest peeves being that the icons over the recievers are too small). Meanwhile on defense you never feel like you\'re fully in control unless you\'re controlling a defensive lineman, in which case it\'s far too easy to get the sack.
But gameplay has been an issue that\'s been addressed on forums and in publications, it\'s no secret ESPN is lacking in that department. But now, how about it\'s other selling point, presentation? No question they hit it big here. They took the ESPN license, and flat out abused it...they got everything they could out of it, now I can only hope they do the same for ESPNBA:) But realistically...how much of this \'presentation\' will matter months from now, when the NFL season is in full swing...when you REALLY feel like playing a football game? After, assumingly, plenty of games already, will you really want to sit through just another half time show...just another \'sportscenter\'? I submit most will not, as I myself find both to be cool features...but after a while, they grow stale.
There is a feature I\'m still looking into...and that\'s the online leagues. The online trading most definitely sounds interesting...but how to find a dedicated league on a game with such a shaky following...having gained many of it\'s fans through it\'s latest entry?
I just think Madden will, once again, be the better all around product, offering much of the same, if not more than ESPN did. ESPN is definitely a fine holdover, however, and a steal at $20.
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i love you ethan
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Originally posted by square_marker
Qu, do you have the PS2 version?
Naw man I wanted all the features I could have in the game so I had to go with the xbox version.
But man the game is awesome. I love that you can customize your own music to any part of the game that you want to. That rocks. The tackling has gotten so much better. Best tackling system in any football game to date.
Man this game is so awesome.
I am currently going through franchise with the eagles and I just traded for jamal lewis.
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ok, I just bought the game. And it seems that the updated rosters ONLY work for online games. I went online to specifically get the updated rosters and start my franchise. And when downloading the roster update, it clearly says the downloaded roster only works for online games.
that is pretty gay if you ask me.
and if you have the HDD you can change the music in the ps2 version as you can in the xbox one, as the option is clearly there, just ghosted.
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Originally posted by JBean
ok, I just bought the game. And it seems that the updated rosters ONLY work for online games. I went online to specifically get the updated rosters and start my franchise. And when downloading the roster update, it clearly says the downloaded roster only works for online games.
that is pretty gay if you ask me.
and if you have the HDD you can change the music in the ps2 version as you can in the xbox one, as the option is clearly there, just ghosted.
Yeah but my xbox came free with an hdd. And my ps2 doesn\'t. And I wanted the ps2 version but not having all the highlights and stuff turned me away. And I was not going to shell out 99.99 for the hdd just for this game.
I\'ll probably end up getting the ps2 version anyways just so i can kick some you guys asses.
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Man pre game analysis. While post game analysis and interviews. Free agent signings and injury reports. The presentation in this game is so huge. I mean this has to be the most complete football game ever created.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
i love you ethan
:headbang:
Damn straight.
And Quddus, who\'d you trade for Jamal? I\'m doing a franchise w/ the Eagles too. I got rid of Thomas Tapeh and Mark Simoneau to pick up a fullback after Richie got injured (I put Jeremiah Trotter on the Eagles, to make the roster accurate before starting a franchise, so I\'m still good with my MLB position), but I\'m assuming neither of those guys were involved.
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Originally posted by JBean
and if you have the HDD you can change the music in the ps2 version as you can in the xbox one, as the option is clearly there, just ghosted.
how would i get my music on the PS2 HDD? Insert a CD and save one of the tracks?
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Originally posted by IareEthan
:headbang:
Damn straight.
And Quddus, who\'d you trade for Jamal? I\'m doing a franchise w/ the Eagles too. I got rid of Thomas Tapeh and Mark Simoneau to pick up a fullback after Richie got injured (I put Jeremiah Trotter on the Eagles, to make the roster accurate before starting a franchise, so I\'m still good with my MLB position), but I\'m assuming neither of those guys were involved.
Wow i also put trotter on the eagles. But I traded westbrook and 2 round pick for lewis then traded lewis punk ass for duce.
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They took westbrook and a 2nd round? Shit, you took them for a ride.
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and if you have the HDD you can change the music in the ps2 version as you can in the xbox one, as the option is clearly there, just ghosted.
How?
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Originally posted by IareEthan
They took westbrook and a 2nd round? Shit, you took them for a ride.
Yeah then I traded him for duce.
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Originally posted by IareEthan
But realistically...how much of this \'presentation\' will matter months from now, when the NFL season is in full swing...when you REALLY feel like playing a football game? After, assumingly, plenty of games already, will you really want to sit through just another half time show...just another \'sportscenter\'? I submit most will not, as I myself find both to be cool features...but after a while, they grow stale.
wow...i will not comment on madden yet as nobody here has played it yet...but concerning this statement here? i say you\'re damned if you do & damned if you don\'t...let me say this this as a long time gamer..i\'m talkin\' since the atari 2600 days...i\'ve watched these games evolve to what they are today..madden & espn are both solid titles...that said how many of us here have wanted that full experience? espn gave us primetime last year & a decent halftime show...who cares about seeing cheerleaders for a few seconds(madden) & then gettin back into the game?
those small cosmetic touches are what i love about espn...the post game show in espn this year is phenomenal & goes back to what i said earlier...that is what you see on television...damn when they go that extra mile to make that gaming experience more realized some still will criticize...lets just be happy that you have the option to skip it if you want,..but atleast it\'s in there...
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That\'s what I\'m saying though. It\'s a great feature, no question. But after a while...it\'s the same old thing, that takes minutes to get through. You do have the option to skip it, and that is nice for those who favor ESPN\'s gameplay, but the thing is, again, that this title\'s foundation for many people is not gameplay, but presentation. And a large chunk of that \'presentation\' comes in the form of the halftime/postgame shows...both of which will wear their welcome sooner or later.
You see what I\'m saying? It\'s all about longevity...staying power. There are those who actually prefer ESPN\'s gameplay over Madden\'s ... to them, this game is spectacular. But you have to understand that most people bought this game for 1: It\'s price tag and 2: It\'s presentation. And again, once gamers find the videos and chris berman and all that stuff grows repetitive, there will be many many people left with what they consider a lackluster game.
And Quddus, did you pick up anything else with Duce? Though I myself would love to have him back in Eagles green, a straight up trade Jamal Lewis for Duce Staley is...wow.
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^^^^yea i see what you\'re sayin\', but i\'m one of the few that prefers espn\'s gameplay over madden...;) so for me the gameplay & presentation is what makes it superior to madden..imo of course...
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Originally posted by IareEthan
That\'s what I\'m saying though. It\'s a great feature, no question. But after a while...it\'s the same old thing, that takes minutes to get through. You do have the option to skip it, and that is nice for those who favor ESPN\'s gameplay, but the thing is, again, that this title\'s foundation for many people is not gameplay, but presentation. And a large chunk of that \'presentation\' comes in the form of the halftime/postgame shows...both of which will wear their welcome sooner or later.
You see what I\'m saying? It\'s all about longevity...staying power. There are those who actually prefer ESPN\'s gameplay over Madden\'s ... to them, this game is spectacular. But you have to understand that most people bought this game for 1: It\'s price tag and 2: It\'s presentation. And again, once gamers find the videos and chris berman and all that stuff grows repetitive, there will be many many people left with what they consider a lackluster game.
And Quddus, did you pick up anything else with Duce? Though I myself would love to have him back in Eagles green, a straight up trade Jamal Lewis for Duce Staley is...wow.
Not me I bought this game for it\'s gameplay. I use to be a madden head and after I talked to clips I decided to play espn and have not put it down since. The running is far the best in any football game. You actually have to fight for those extra yards in this game. The tackling is unbelievable in this game. You can hit a guy many different ways and the hits seem so real. Getting your guys ready for the next game was a nice touch.
This games has so many things that make it an awesome game. When madden hits I will give it a try because I am very excited to see what EA has done to try and match what sega has given us.
Ethan I did a strait up trade for duce. I am trying to get the colts to give me marvin right now and they are playing hardass with me.
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You know what is really pathetic, on both sides of ESPN and Madden.. Year after year we get small cosmetic changes and a few AI tweaks and it\'s repackaged as a new game. It\'s stuff that is so obviously held over, so they can throw it in the next year and tout it as a "new feature". You basically pay for a new roster and slight AI tweaks.
Pathetic.
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I would like to take the time to thank anybody who complimented this game for completely wasting my time. I just played a handful of games with my buddy and even with it\'s nice presentation it just isn\'t good. Welcome to the world of breaking atleast a couple tackles every play, and good luck trying to control someone cause each person has the mobility of a mack truck. It just completely feels like the 2k games from the DC and thats not a good thing.
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I hear that. I\'m eagerly waiting for my madden 2005. Just reading the "chalk talks" IGN has been doing about has me salivating.
ESPN 2K5 PLAYS LIKE ASS (although it does look mighty pretty)
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Originally posted by Bozco
I would like to take the time to thank anybody who complimented this game for completely wasting my time. I just played a handful of games with my buddy and even with it\'s nice presentation it just isn\'t good. Welcome to the world of breaking atleast a couple tackles every play, and good luck trying to control someone cause each person has the mobility of a mack truck. It just completely feels like the 2k games from the DC and thats not a good thing.
You must be a complete ass at the game because tackles are hardly broken against me. I mean you can take a guy down in many ways. If you have no idea what your doing sure a guy is going to break tackles. And in the NFL guys break tackles all the time. And guys get trucked all the time. But it seems like you have no idea what the hell your doing. But to each it\'s own
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I was hoping someone would say that. My friend is 5-0 online and I beat him in a game, then lost another. My skill has nothing to do with it. Someone like Priest Holmes is an absolute joke no matter if you try to wrap him up or just lay into him. That and when the ball is in the air you don\'t have half the control of the person as you need to go dive and try to pick it off. I got a handful of interceptions still but the control really is pathetic.
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i had to adjust my sliders for my defensive backs (dallas) as whenever the computer would throw the ball my db\'s would get burnt..a little troubling that i didn\'t have to do that last year...anyway that\'s my only complaint as i have eddie george in my roster so all is well...i will be getting the hdd soon...oh and this game still plays imo incredibly real... madden is not out yet so we\'ll see how it turns out,..espn last year might have actually made those cats to stop rehashin crap year after year...
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Um Madden will have leagues now too, what you going do now???
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Where did you hear this?
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IGN you want the link? too bad I\'m too lazy
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Nope, I did my research. It was a lazy question :)
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this is a reader review...i thought it was interesting since he pointed out some interesting facts...
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/espnnflfootball2005/reader_review.html?id=1895328
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Ok, after playing both games, it is clearly obvious that Madden 2005 is better than ESPN 2005.
This is a totally unbiased opinion of course.
Thank you all for your time.
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Originally posted by clips
this is a reader review...i thought it was interesting since he pointed out some interesting facts...
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/espnnflfootball2005/reader_review.html?id=1895328
I read that review.
Seems like he just likes the idea that a QB like Testeverde can scramble from line backers and how the running backs have the same ability.
I dont want Jerome Bettis juking defenders and spinning around safties
Sure , i think this year\'s madden has improved on last years game VERY little, the smallest amount of improvement so far in the PS2 games.
But from what i\'ve read and heard, ESPN isnt quite there yet. And if they get there, then i wont have any problem jumping the madden ship.
They just arent there yet, but are improving by leaps and bounds. I hope this worries EA
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I\'d have to agree that both games are about even.
Maddens owener mode is better though, and that\'s why im gonna play it more.
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Ok after playing this years madden I have to say I still prefer espn when it comes down to it. I am a defensive player and I don\'t fill that full control that I get in espn. As far as coverage goes I think you feel more like you have more control of your db\'s in madden. And I have to say the running in espn is much more versitle.(IMO) The guys don\'t cutback like they do in espn.
This years madden felt a lot like last years madden to me. I won\'t purchase it anytime soon. My friend has it and we it through beating it up I will take his copy. Save the owner mode how can you pick madden over espn? Maybe I just have to buckle down and just put hours and hours into the game. Because people sware by madden. I just don\'t see it.
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Originally posted by QuDDus
Ok after playing this years madden I have to say I still prefer espn when it comes down to it. I am a defensive player and I don\'t fill that full control that I get in espn. As far as coverage goes I think you feel more like you have more control of your db\'s in madden. And I have to say the running in espn is much more versitle.(IMO) The guys don\'t cutback like they do in espn.
This years madden felt a lot like last years madden to me. I won\'t purchase it anytime soon. My friend has it and we it through beating it up I will take his copy. Save the owner mode how can you pick madden over espn? Maybe I just have to buckle down and just put hours and hours into the game. Because people sware by madden. I just don\'t see it.
with you all the way on this one..i seen both espn & madden at eb\'s a week ago when i purchased the harddrive for the ps2 (damn espn\'s halftime show & postgame is off the hook now!) and i\'ve played madden and i\'m sorry madden have made some improvements on the defensive side of things,..but for the most part..nothing has changed since 2002 seriously...the running in espn this year is more realistic...tackling animations,..defenders talk s**t to qb\'s after the sack...i just don\'t see how some still say espn ins\'t there yet..WHAT? give me a break..espn has made real improvements over madden since 2004
the only part madden reigns is the owner mode..which i could care less about,..madden still has the same physics since 2002, tho i have seen a couple of new tackling animations,..it\'s gameplay imo is still 2nd to espn....i played both games and to me espn is clearly better...
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Originally posted by clips
with you all the way on this one..i seen both espn & madden at eb\'s a week ago when i purchased the harddrive for the ps2 (damn espn\'s halftime show & postgame is off the hook now!) and i\'ve played madden and i\'m sorry madden have made some improvements on the defensive side of things,..but for the most part..nothing has changed since 2002 seriously...the running in espn this year is more realistic...tackling animations,..defenders talk s**t to qb\'s after the sack...i just don\'t see how some still say espn ins\'t there yet..WHAT? give me a break..espn has made real improvements over madden since 2004
the only part madden reigns is the owner mode..which i could care less about,..madden still has the same physics since 2002, tho i have seen a couple of new tackling animations,..it\'s gameplay imo is still 2nd to espn....i played both games and to me espn is clearly better...
I feel you clips. Espn clearly has the better tackling animations. I remember when i first got madden 2004 the owner mode was sick. And I was hooked but the minute I tried espn 2004 I felt like the game felt so much more real. Hard hitting. I can\'t tell you how many fumble\'s I have created hitting the shit out of qb\'s with kerse. I just don\'t see how guys are so strong out on madden.
Sweet you got the hdd. I played espn at my friends without the hdd I was shock how different the game feels to me. I was used to all the player animations and highlights.
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read...i agreed with them for the most part,..ign has a head to head also,.. but it\'s only on insider so f**k them!
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6104789/index.html
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have been playing Madden 2005, and it\'s a great game. My absolute favorite moment was playing against the Giants. It was a close game and they were trying to make a comeback with 2 minutes left, then Eli threw a pic and I returned it for a TD. The camera then showed the Giants fans getting out of their seats and leaving....beautiful
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wow this was an intense thread..:D...i will miss 2k5 no doubt..:(...i\'ve already started updating the rosters as best i could in espn 2k5...yes..even tho the game is two years old, it\'s strong gameplay and visuals still outdo what madden is bringing to the table.....i agree 100% with what this person wrote to ign...it\'s in the mailbag of ign but it\'s the letter regarding fluffy football.
http://ps2.ign.com/mail/
anyway i won\'t be buying madden until it\'s presentation and gameplay surpass espn 2k5\'s and judging from the lackluster 360 version,..espn 2k5 is even better than that...meh i don\'t want to start kickin\' dirt on madden, it\'s just amazing how i can put that game in and still be impressed with it\'s overall presentation and gameplay....i really just wanted to ask is everybody ready to fire up their games again, whether it\'s madden or espn...i know that at least with me when the football season is over i won\'t touch espn until preseason starts...:D....let the trash-talkin start....dallas in the superbowl..nuff said!..:fro:...
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yesss.lets get ready for some FOOTBALL!.
broncos need to get chris brown to make me a little confident. But they always do manage to have a good running attack so they should be fine. See, as a cowboy fan, you have the luxury of having a shitty conference :D. AFC has the chiefs, broncos, colts, steelers, bengals, and patriots. NFC just has...the seahawks? falcons and panthers maybe? redskins just have a bunch of names, no chemistry. Id worry about ur cowboys next season though. TO is only not a punk bitch the first season. After that bledsoe better retire before hes in the media 24/7
Speaking of the chiefs..holy sheit. Ty law, surtain, bell, johnson, allen on defense (which has been their downside), add that with the offense.. edit: i guess willie roaf retired..and they did lose richardson..GO BRONCOS!
and i wont be buying madden on ps2. not sure if it was madden 06 or my ps2, but it was feezing every single play. Besides, after playing on the 360, i dont want to pay 50 bucks for a ps2 game. Im going to have madden on 360 for a monthish till my brother moves. Honestly, madden 07 on 360 looks awesome. A video i saw had the rookie combine, i think training camp is back, challenging is probably back. Madden 06 on 360 didnt really count..just tried to get it out for the next gen console since theyd obviously get a bunch of sales no matter what.