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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: TSina on May 04, 2004, 02:22:53 PM
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Just when we thought we had a pure and simple hero, a millionaire athlete who gave up wealth and fame to become the ideal patriot, to make the ultimate sacrifice, his friends and family complicated everything. They turned Pat Tillman into a human being Monday, showing us what was really lost during that ambush in Afghanistan, insisting that we question every assumption we\'ve made since he died an icon on April 22.
Yes, there were uplifting tales, moments when tears and pride swelled in everyone watching Tillman\'s memorial service at the San Jose Municipal Rose Garden. There were jarring moments, too, and they carried the message of the afternoon -- "challenge yourself" -- more powerfully than those laden with conventional inspiration.
Tillman\'s youngest brother, Rich, wore a rumpled white T-shirt, no jacket, no tie, no collar, and immediately swore into the microphone. He hadn\'t written anything, he said, and with the starkest honesty, he asked mourners to hold their spiritual bromides.
"Pat isn\'t with God,\'\' he said. "He\'s ****ing dead. He wasn\'t religious. So thank you for your thoughts, but he\'s ****ing dead."
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/05/04/SPG5K6FD091.DTL
I put this in here as it seems to fit plus it\'s potential to turn into something else that would really fit in here.
Converse........
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Sounds like they aren\'t very religious and they\'re tired of people just assuming he was.
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Sounds like you hit and missed the point as well.
He is no hero.
He is no NFL star
He is no millionaire
He is no Army Ranger
He is NO SON
He is NO BROTHER
He is NOTHING now(sort to speak)
The brother is fed up with people making Pat Tillman to be this or that, but none of it matters as he is nothing but a memory and that isn\'t good enough.
God damn media.
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I haven\'t been paying much attention to it on tv so of course I would miss that point. I haven\'t seen what they turned it into. In fact all I knew is that he died.
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Honestly, how can you have not heard or seen what they have turned Pat Tillman into, but yet know who he is?
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You really need to ease up. When he first decided to go into the armed services way back when I read an article about it. Then I heard about him dying so I knew what the fuss was about but I didn\'t sit down and watch everything on tv.
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His brother is jealous and angstful?
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I rarely get to "sit down" and watch TV and heard wayyy too much about him. Similar to the first 7 hostages and the Hamill guy. It was just there. So I had to ask the question. I\'m sorry you don\'t like my reasoning.
I didn\'t call you a liar, but asked a legitimate question.
For the record, I don\'t have to do anything I don\'t want to do. Just to keep that straight friend.
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Never said you had to anything, you\'ll just fit in better if you aren\'t so brash.
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Originally posted by Bozco
You really need to ease up.
Preceded by..
Never said you had to anything, you\'ll just fit in better if you aren\'t so brash.
Sounds like you did to me? Care to to take back your previous statement and take foot out of mouth?
BTW..I\'m not exactly one to conform to "fit in" if you haven\'t noticed. If you don\'t like what I have to say, you don\'t have to A: read my statements or B: not reply to those statements.
If I feel I\'m not liked or wanted, I\'ll simply move on, but I\'ll never try to "fit in" because someone said so.
Yes, I\'m damn head strong. :p
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I\'d say you\'re more of a bitch. :)
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I said you need to ease up, never said you HAD to ease up. Backing those headstrong ideals with the ability to read would be nice. And I\'m not asking you to conform your opinion, just be a little more considerate of others.
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I\'ll also add though that its good to have another liberal to argue with on the boards besides SirMystiq.
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All of you stop, i dont give a shit who started it but the personal attacks in this forum need to end.
His brother is jealous and angstful?
No he is just tired of the media capitalizing on his brothers death.
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Originally posted by Bozco
I said you need to ease up, never said you HAD to ease up. Backing those headstrong ideals with the ability to read would be nice. And I\'m not asking you to conform your opinion, just be a little more considerate of others.
Touche...I think I like you already!!
SwifDi..I KNOW I\'m a bitch..wanna try me? Also, Im not as liberal as you may think I am. Pay attention.
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I think it was highly disrespectful for his brother to say that, and he will regret it down the line... Like I said, very angstful.
Originally posted by TSina
SwifDi..I KNOW I\'m a bitch..wanna try me? Also, Im not as liberal as you may think I am. Pay attention.
Exactly why I felt comfortable to mention it, I\'m sure you take it as a compliment if anything. And thus far I have no reason to believe you aren\'t much of a liberal, but I\'ll be watching. :)
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How is it disrepectful to say that he is ****ing dead? he is after all, very ****ing dead.
Put yourself in his brothers shoes. His brother loved him and grew up with him, and now when his brother dies, the media portray him completley wrong. His brother, who knows Tillman better then anyone else, clearly indicates that his brother would NOT have wanted this attention.
What his brother did was honorable, and I respect him for it, the media sometimes needs a nice slap in the face.
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I agree about the media. I dont know why they have to do a story about Tillman. There are plenty of other fallen heros they can talk about.
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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
No he is just tired of the media capitalizing on his brothers death.
Thank you!!!
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Originally posted by SwifDi
I think it was highly disrespectful for his brother to say that, and he will regret it down the line... Like I said, very angstful.
Exactly why I felt comfortable to mention it, I\'m sure you take it as a compliment if anything. And thus far I have no reason to believe you aren\'t much of a liberal, but I\'ll be watching. :)
Don\'t try to backpeddle in an attempt to be nice. You formed your opinion about me already, hence your statement something about how it will be nice to now have another liberal around.
Be yourself young one(not that Im that much older than you anyway) I say young as a frame of mind b/c first you compare(basically calling me all but actually saying YOU are liberal.) me to being a liberal, then you say that you know that Im not.
First impressions are a bitch no? :D
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TSina, are you more moderate than any one side? You seem to be more moderate than anything.
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It really depends on the issue and my personal beliefs or thoughts.
I do tend to lean more towards the left, but I\'m not exactly a "leftist"
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You sure? :)
Not trying to start trouble or anything but you do seem to be an extreme liberal to me, so well have to see that moderate part of your arguments sometime i guess eh?
Dont take offense to this please because I am a liberal and i dont think ebing called a liberal is bad.
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I like her.
She stays.
With that said - I also liked this post.:)
And she reminds me of an early female Bozco. Very headstrong.
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Well, if I had to be on one side of the fence or another, it would be the liberal side. That doesnt mean that is where I stay at though. :D
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Originally posted by TSina
Touche...I think I like you already!!
:)
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And she reminds me of an early female Bozco. Very headstrong.
:D
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so where have you been all my life sexy? ;) :D
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his family is mad big brother didnt bring the $$$ home
pathetic
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mm, stay out of this forum, you have nothing to contribute.
thankyou.
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Hamster boy, not only does he watch over these forums, he\'s the head honcho, so I think it would be unwise to tell him what to do.
Also, it is disrespectful, the manner he used was ignorant. You don\'t beligerently swear and curse at your dead brother\'s memorial like an idiot. There were many more other conventional ways of getting his point across.
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what MM said was disrespectful. Admin or not, I can still crtisize him.
SwifDi, he did what he felt was right, he loved his brother, I think that is obvious in the text.
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Originally posted by mm
his family is mad big brother didnt bring the $$$ home
pathetic
So what does that have to do with big brother and what he said at the funeral?
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I\'m sure he loved his brother, but he is stupid for not keeping his cool. Like I said, many other positive ways to make a point out there, being a beligerent moron isn\'t one of them.
And you have every right to disagree with mm or criticize his posts, but to tell him to stay out of a forum is ridiculous.
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Swifdi, it is my opinion judging from mm never actually posting anything valuable, and only posting short one lined assaults on people, that itd be better not to post here.
We dont need flame wars.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
Hamster boy, not only does he watch over these forums, he\'s the head honcho, so I think it would be unwise to tell him what to do.
Also, it is disrespectful, the manner he used was ignorant. You don\'t beligerently swear and curse at your dead brother\'s memorial like an idiot. There were many more other conventional ways of getting his point across.
Yes, he does watch over the forums..he however is not head honcho as bjorn is. mm might be 2nd or 3rd in line, but still, that is that. Wise and Unwise are fine. People with spines speak their mind no matter the cost. This is not a big thing, it\'s a message forum.
Disrespectful, fine...but respect is earned, not given. Ignorant, not at all.
He can do what he wishes as if it wasnt for what was created, he probably never would have done that. You are blaming the wrong people. There may have been many more ways to get his point across, but not many if any would have been more effective and not many would have spoken such volumes.
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Originally posted by SwifDi
I\'m sure he loved his brother, but he is stupid for not keeping his cool. Like I said, many other positive ways to make a point out there, being a beligerent moron isn\'t one of them.
And you have every right to disagree with mm or criticize his posts, but to tell him to stay out of a forum is ridiculous.
i agree with swif..i think i would\'ve been like damn wtf is up with that?! if i was at the funeral..just seems like he was a little jealous,..i know he wasn\'t but it came off that way a little bit..and hampster leave mm alone :p i like his dry sarcastic humor...
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The only thing that happend is that he spoke what was on his mind.
He may have planned to not wear a black suit, but I doubt he planned his words.
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Sorry for being a bit over agressive, but it is well known that we never see MM actually DEBATE anything, no matter what he posts ... :P
But yes, sorry for being a bit too attackful there... attackful isnt a word, but oh well.
Anyways, I guess it could come off as jealous but it sounds more like his brother is being realistic and wants people to snap the **** out of it.
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jealous of what? his brother being dead?
If he was jealous of anything, wouldnt have been the potential millions Pat was going to have and not him being a hero?
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Originally posted by TSina
jealous of what? his brother being dead?
If he was jealous of anything, wouldnt have been the potential millions Pat was going to have and not him being a hero?
it seemed like he was being jealous of all the attention his brother was getting..i know this was not the case, but to me that is what it felt like a little...
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I guess that is where we differ. I figure if he were to be jealous over his brother, it would be something trivial like the money or fame, not the attention.
If it was the attention, then what he did is simply ****ed up!!! It would have been better for him to not even show up.
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The answers all lie in Tillman\'s brother\'s little head. We can argue about how he truly feels, but I will promptly exit with my opinion that his brother is only angstful and still recovering from his brother\'s death. He will regret speaking out so uncontrollably at his brother\'s memorial service.
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DH, you got an issue with me, feel free to PM me anytime
i dont bullshit like you do, im to the point
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Originally posted by TSina
Yes, he does watch over the forums..he however is not head honcho as bjorn is. mm might be 2nd or 3rd in line, but still, that is that.
When was the last time anyone has seen bjorn post? Didn\'t mean to get off topic. Just wanted to point out that if mm is 2nd in command and bjorn doesn\'t come, guess what? I don\'t need to answer it.
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all the hoopla over this guy kinda reminds me of the lacy peterson case
3000 people at her funeral?
people love to feel sorry for themselves and this transparent sympathy for other people because it makes themselves look better to other people
kinda like when people grieve over celebrities it digusts me
at that rambling brings me back to my original point
why waste your time feeling bad about someone who you didnt know and they didnt know you and had zero affect on your life. but when they die you act like it turned your world upside down
im pretty much convinced that most people dont have emotions of their own they just sit back and wait for the media or celebrities to tell them how to feel
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There\'s probably 10,000 pat tillmans. No, not a thousand football stars that want to fight in war, but 10,000 white males who saw the events of 9-11 and had their hearts fill with rage against the Arabs of the middle east.
Therefore supporting your family etc takes backseat as you go to afganistan to hunt arabs. some try to run away and you chase them down and they turn and kill you, like they did pat tillman.
its amazing what hate will make you do
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same can be said for patriotism. He saw his country attacked, he wanted to help. Let\'s not assume all post-9/11 "white males" in the military are there for hate.
I\'m kinda glad his brother said that to the media, shake things up a little and destroy the kind of person they made him out to be.
However he seems like a big fat redneck, showing up at a funeral dressed like Andrew W.K., cursing at the eulogy. Very tasteless there.
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Originally posted by alliswell
its amazing what hate will make you do
Like flying planes into buildings? Like beheading people on videotape? Yes enlighten us some more. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by alliswell
There\'s probably 10,000 pat tillmans. No, not a thousand football stars that want to fight in war, but 10,000 white males who saw the events of 9-11 and had their hearts fill with rage against the Arabs of the middle east.
Therefore supporting your family etc takes backseat as you go to afganistan to hunt arabs. some try to run away and you chase them down and they turn and kill you, like they did pat tillman.
its amazing what hate will make you do
You couldn\'t be any more wrong. Luckily their isn\'t anything I could say here that already hasn\'t been said about you before.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Like flying planes into buildings? Like beheading people on videotape? Yes enlighten us some more. :rolleyes:
Exactly
Extreme hate for Americans lead to 9-11, then extreme hate back leads to people leaving their homes/jos to go fight the enemy.
This is true, and cannot be denied
The 10,000 I spoke of are the ones who leave the country not out of patriotism, or to protect their homeland, but those who have a quarrel with the dark man of the middle east, and see them as animals who deserve nothing, they see them so low that they say they wouldn\'t flinch if they were nuked.
Those are your 10,000
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Originally posted by clips
it seemed like he was being jealous of all the attention his brother was getting..i know this was not the case, but to me that is what it felt like a little...
I dont see him being jealous. His brother is dead. He probably just wants everyone to let the issue lie.
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Turns out he was killed by friendly fire. :(
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Extreme Hate will lead to the bombing of civilians and the overthrowing of multiple nations on the basis, that we are right.
Remember, no matter the cause, the death of innocent civilians is wrong. America does it EVERY day. Think about that.
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His brother doesn\'t seem jealous by the statement thats ignorant to say, his bro\'s dead and thats that, Tillman didn\'t want the media attention so his brother was conveying that message for his dead brother.
And Alliswell you are a complete looney if you think 10,000 Americans went over there just to kill some Arabs, wheres your facts and studies? Oh thats right you don\'t have shit to back it up, other than your skewed views on everyone elses opinions.
And oh yea you sucked at Madden only reason you ever played is because of your terrible Rams team and there religous cult QB
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Originally posted by mjps21983
And oh yea you sucked at Madden only reason you ever played is because of your terrible Rams team and there religous cult QB
WTF?!? :laughing: lets try and keep the insults on topic at least.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
WTF?!? :laughing: lets try and keep the insults on topic at least.
;) ;) ;)
Sorry I just had to.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
And oh yea you sucked at Madden only reason you ever played is because of your terrible Rams team and there religous cult QB
Kurt Warner is a good man
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thats fine and dandy and I\'d love to see him excel for the Giants but he can keep God and Jesus out of the locker room and at home.
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Tsina why the hell arent you posting in off-topic damn it!!!! I never come in here because I love a fight to much and everyone would hate me but you my love I could almost leave my wife for.... Well except for the fact that she is absolutly beautifull and I have no Idea what you look like.
That being said I live here in AZ and if you think the national coverage was overwhwelming.... His brother is just tired I think of everyone morning and Idea they had no idea of the MAN and all the morning in the world is not gonna bring him back just get over it and let the family start to be able to move along for godsakes its hard to morn someone when there face is plastered constatly on the tv.