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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: pstwo on May 08, 2004, 12:52:58 AM
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ETA: 10/1/04
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Some new info!
http://xbox.gamezone.com/gzreviews/p15609_02.htm
The game features 30-40 hours of gameplay, and there are five multiplayer maps for the Xbox Live experience. The game sports puzzles and mazes, and the weapon swap-out is typical of FPS titles. But this title prey on players with psychological terror. There are moments when hell takes over parts of the base. The scenes are akin to macabre nightmares of flayed bodies, living tentacles embracing whole rooms and ceilings, creepy crawlies and drop in from above, and zombies that pop out and try to do more than simply say boo.
Pre-E3 2004: DOOM 3
We\'ve seen the Xbox version. It\'s real and it\'s real good.
May 04, 2004 - DOOM 3, expected to ship sometime this year for both Xbox and PC, is not a sequel to DOOM II. Instead, it\'s a retelling of the original. "What if DOOM were made today, with today\'s technology and with everything learned about gaming in the past decade?" That\'s the underpinning to one of the most anticipated titles of the year. Just because DOOM 3 is a retelling of the original doesn\'t mean the look or feel is particularly reminiscent of the classic PC title. The atmosphere is dark, the pacing of the demo somewhat slow, and every aspect more fitting of a survival horror game than a run and gun shooter. That\'s not a bad thing at all, in fact, it makes for a more intriguing title. Point being, this ain\'t yo daddy\'s DOOM, this is a whole new ballgame.
The hard part for fans is going to be looking past expectations of what a DOOM game should be and embracing what DOOM 3 is -- a gritty take on the horrors of a demon infestation at a military base on Mars. There will be shooting aplenty, don\'t worry, and in the 10-minute demo there was quite a good deal of it, but none of it is at, say, the pace of Halo. Atmosphere is clearly being emphasized with heavy use of shadow and minimal lighting, plus six-channel Surround Sound with random ethereal voices crying for help and cackling voices from the shadows. It\'s creepy, it\'s moody, but when the action hits, DOOM 3 quickly kicks into high gear, slowing once more once all the corpses have dissipated.
In DOOM 3 you play as a marine detached to a Union Aerospace Corporation facility on Mars. While away from base, a horde of demons overrun the facility. You return to find nearly everyone dead, with just a handful of combat-ineffective marines left alive. The demons have one goal -- to travel from Mars to Earth and take over the big blue ball, putting an end to shopping malls and cable television. Obviously, they must be stopped.
The Game in Motion
So much has been made of DOOM 3\'s graphics that we might as well get those out of the way right off the bat. The Xbox and not the PC version was shown at Activision\'s pre-E3 editors\' day, which is why this preview is so Xbox-centric. While the PC version has been seen in motion, very little of the Xbox DOOM 3 had been seen, save some tasty screenshots. Vicarious Vision has done an admirable job bringing DOOM 3 to Xbox, but in motion, this game does not look nearly as drop-dead gorgeous as the PC version. For an Xbox game, it looks fantastic, but it\'s hard not to compare the two versions, which isn\'t fair considering the difference in hardware. Don\'t expect the same visual depth as the PC DOOM 3, but have no fear, the Xbox build looks quite nice.
Expected to be locked in at a solid 30 frames per second, DOOM 3 features bump-mapping, real-time lighting, cinematics using the in-game engine (shown in the 3rd-person perspective), and a few jaggies here and there. The good news is, there\'s no tearing, so the annoying break lines found in graphic-intensive Xbox titles like Splinter Cell aren\'t anywhere to be found in the E3 demo of DOOM 3. The environment looks impressive and the lighting is on par with the above-mentioned Splinter Cell, judging from the 10 minutes of gameplay we saw. There\'s plenty of particles to go around as well, with some grainy smoke effects from explosions, and brilliant fire that looks hot enough to scold. With 480p widescreen support on Xbox, this one should look pretty good when all is said and done.
3 pages long.
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/510/510917p1.html
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pstwo I\'m guessing you don\'t have a fast computer ;)
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Here\'s my 3rd (?) post to the same effect..
I love my Xbox, but Doom III is a PC game.
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Originally posted by THX
pstwo I\'m guessing you don\'t have a fast computer ;)
hehe! Only 933MHz using 56K.
NEW GameSpy preview!
We take our first frightening look at the Xbox version of id Software\'s highly anticipated shooter at an Activision Pre-E3 event.
Our first question -- how would the game look on the Xbox? -- was answered within seconds of the demo starting. We\'d wondered if the Xbox version would have to be scaled back to handle the amazing graphics engine created by John Carmack and co. for the PC version, but that doesn\'t appear to be the case. On the Xbox, DOOM 3 shares the PC game\'s unique look, as well as all the little hooks that we\'ve been raving about: super detailed models, dynamic lighting, and the new physics system. Shoot a hanging light, and shadows dance around as the light swings back and forth. Most of the areas we saw in the UAC facility contained the same industrial look we\'ve seen in the PC previews, with lots of dark, creepy corridors and detailed metallic textures covering the floors.
The controls for the Xbox version of DOOM 3 should be fairly simple. Like many console shooters these days, the game uses a Halo-like system, using the left analog stick to move and the right to aim. The right trigger lets you fire our weapon, while the left trigger allows you to go into a sprint. The D-Pad is used to change weapons, and the black button allows you to pull up your PDA, which will contain your current objectives as well as emails from other characters that help propel the story along. There\'s some auto-aiming planned for the Xbox version, with the goal being to "make it challenging but not frustrating."
The first part of our demo took place in an area called "Alpha Labs," set early in the game. DOOM 3\'s deliberate pace of the game could be seen in full effect here, as our space marine made his way through a series of hallways, with lots of ambient sounds setting the mood. The game will support 6-channel Dolby surround sound, and it looks like DOOM 3 will take full advantage of it -- the sound was arguably the most impressive thing about the demo, with lots of punchy sound effects for the weapons and totally creepy sound effects and strange voices filling the background while not in combat.
2 pages long.
http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/doom-3/512537p1.html?fromint=1
GameSpot: Doom 3 E3 2004 Preshow Impressions
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/doom3/preview_6095270.html
Activision showed Doom 3 running on the Xbox for the first time publicly at its pre-E3 event in Santa Monica, California, earlier this month. And for those of us who didn\'t think it was possible, it appears that id and Vicarious Visions have managed to bring the game to the Xbox with no compromises from the visually impressive PC version.
Despite its name, Doom 3 is not a sequel but rather a retelling of the original Doom. You once again play as a space marine, tasked to guard the Union Aerospace Corporation\'s facility on Mars, when something goes wrong and demonic creatures take over the base. You\'ll have to survive and try to rally any survivors as you attempt to seal the dimensional rift at the heart of the infestation, and the deeper you delve into the base, the more hellish the environment becomes.
Activision demonstrated an early level in the game; you have to fight your way to the base\'s Alpha Labs in order to get a warning signal to a nearby fleet of warships. From the get-go, the graphical immersion is superb. Doom 3 is, without a doubt, one of the best-looking console games we\'ve seen. There are a lot of curved surfaces and bump-mapping to give the base\'s interior a very realistic and amazing look, but at the heart of the graphic\'s engine is the powerful lighting and shadowing system. As we watched, the marine entered a large room, when the lights sudden went out. In the pitch dark, the only way to detect attacking zombies is by sound, and perhaps by catching the silhouette of one against a distant light. But the tension and creepiness are definitely there.
The marine has access to a flashlight that can cut through the darkness, but the caveat is that you have to lower your weapon to switch to the flashlight, so you can\'t shoot and use the flashlight at the same time. This is bound to cause plenty of frantic moments when you encounter something terrifying in the darkness and have to switch back to your weapon in a hurry.
Like the PC version, the Xbox version incorporates a powerful physics engine, and it\'s quite impressive to hit an overhead light, causing it to swing, and then watch as the shadows in the room react to the swinging light. Doom 3 also incorporates a powerful physics engine that will ensure that objects behave realistically when in motion; we were shown boxes tumbling down a corridor into the face of the enemy. In addition, the elaborate skeletal animation system in combination with the physics engine means that creatures move in a very lifelike manner.
Hollenshead said that their goal is to make your living room the scariest room of your house, and to help accomplish that, Doom 3 for the Xbox will support surround sound. Like everything else in the game, the sound effects are top-notch, from the deep rumbling of the base\'s machinery to the sound of zombies shambling about. Demons also have a nasty habit of leaping out at you, and the sudden shriek can pierce the relative calm and cause you to jump out of your seat.
During the demonstration, the marine used several weapons, including the shotgun, machine gun, chaingun, pistol, hand grenades, and fists (yes, you can try punching zombies). Monsters encountered included the fat zombies, who are zombified security guards, demonlike imps that hurl energy balls at you, and dual-headed demon maggots that crawl on walls and the ceiling like spiders. The marine also entered portions of the base where the demonic infestation was literally taking the environment, and the walls were covered with an organic, pulsating tumor.
The Xbox version will be the only version of the game to support cooperative play, and the game will support up to two players over Xbox Live or a system link. There will be no split-screen multiplayer, because Hollenshead says that the Xbox is already being pushed to its limits to render a single screen. The game will support up to four players in multiplay over Xbox Live and system link, and the game will ship with five multiplayer maps. Hollenshead says they\'re not trying to break any new ground, but he did promise something fun and uniquely Doom.
The PC and Xbox versions will share the same story and gameplay, though the Xbox\'s smaller memory footprint will affect level size; as a result, some levels on the Xbox will be modified to flow better. Hollenshead said that the Xbox is the only console capable of running Doom 3 as programmer John Carmack envisioned it, and they\'re not going to port the game to the PlayStation 2 or GameCube.
The Xbox version is being developed by Vicarious Visions, contemporaneously with the PC version under development at id. However, Hollenshead said that the Xbox version will ship after the PC version, and the PC version will ship when it\'s done. He wouldn\'t commit to a date; however, he did say that id will not show the PC version at E3 because the team is locked in "completion phase" at the company\'s Mesquite, Texas, offices. Activision will show the Xbox version at the show, and from what we saw, it\'s a safe bet that Doom 3 for the Xbox is going to be one of the major games of E3.
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Originally posted by pstwo
hehe! Only 933MHz using 56K.
Damn. I feel for you man. I got out of that hole myself not to long ago
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Here are the other Xbox shots.
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nice blurring
looks like shit and runs at 30 fps
:rolleyes:
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Those screenshots are blown-up. How stupid.
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We\'ve seen these screens 50 million times already.
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looks like shit and runs at 30 fps
I don\'t think it\'s that much of an issue for XBOX owners. Remember DOOM 3 is a very slow game, therefore fps is not as important as the faster/high pace FPS.
Besides anyone whom plans to play DOOM for all it\'s worth isn\'t gonna touch the XBOX version. Xbox owners of this game will be very, very pleased.
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
I don\'t think it\'s that much of an issue for XBOX owners. Remember DOOM 3 is a very slow game, therefore fps is not as important as the faster/high pace FPS.
Not only that, but if I remember correctly, the PC version cannot go any farther than 60fps. Which, is, of course, better than 30, but I hope people weren\'t expecting to bump this game up to 100\'s of frames per second.
... Even with that said, I\'m still buying the PC version first. LIVE Co-op is nice, but it can wait.
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I\'m failing to see the draw of a Doom game. I hope they make me eat my words but I\'d rather play the original probably.
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I never got into the Doom series, but I know id Software can design one helluuva game engine. They are arguably the best on the planet at it (PC FPS-wise).
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They are arguably the best on the planet
At designing Engines, not games.
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You don\'t need over 60fps, but obviously the higher the framerate (in benchmarks) the better because it reduces the chances of framerate inconsistency. If you average 60fps with an unlocked framerate.. you\'re getting some choppiness going from as low as 20fps to as high as 90+fps..
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Its a great purchase for the people that own an XBOX but not a state of the art PC.No need to repeat the self-evident.We dont care.This game pushes the XBOX to its limit and thats a good thing for the console now that its reaching the end of its lifespan.
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DOOM 3 Xbox 2004 Trailer!
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/512/512897p1.html?fromint=1
Screens from the trailer.
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I think these are too.
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Da XBaux Version...
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The PC version
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Nuff Said !
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mmm looks lovely (put your img tags on!). But to be fair, post a pic of how it looks like on your & pstwo\'s PC :D
Just bustin your balls, I really hope Xbox users like their version, but this is a game I\'d upgrade my vid card for.
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... Seriously, man. Everybody gets it. 0_o
There\'s an obvious difference in visual quality, but I still do not understand all of the folks who claim this port looks bad. That\'s outrageous, IMO.
Same goes for the Xbox port of Far Cry.
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i really, really hope that xbox doom trailer was filmed that way
looked like it ran like shit
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I think it looks pretty good, I was expecting a lot worse. That being said though, it\'ll still control like ass with a gamepad.
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Nah...MM is right. The trailer showed a choppy framerate game, except for the almost static \'slide-opening\' doors shots. For the rest they obviously tried to hide the low fps by means of fast editing.
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NEW screens!
Call 911, *faints*
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nice photoshop
dial 911 and call the "copy and paste" police
:rolleyes:
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heh. never fails to amuse
The first games were creepy. I can only imagine how these will be. In the first ones though it was all about the music.
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I\'ve played the PC beta (it\'s beautiful), and I\'ve seen the video for the Xbox version...not sure what you guys are complaining about, the game looks fantastic for Xbox. Easily one of the best looking games this gen...
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\'cept for the framerate (i mean lack there of)
oh and the blur
and dont forget the shimmering
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actually, my response entails those very things you mentioned, mm.
It\'s quite obvious the game is taking a hit on Xbox, however the game still manages to look down right impressive.
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Originally posted by mm
nice photoshop
dial 911 and call the "copy and paste" police
:rolleyes:
:laughing:
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The sounds rox!
http://articles.filefront.com/24;2
We put our hands ALL OVER DOOM 3
One thing that we are really adamant about is the game’s audio, you’ll want to definitely turn up your speakers for Doom 3 though. The sound in the game is absolutely amazing. When you fire a shotgun, the gun reacts appropriately, and the sound conveyed by the shotgun blast just sounds powerful. It’s a shotgun and when you fire this beast you’re unloading one big-ass cartridge, which means a lot of gunpowder is going off. The sound effect for the shotgun blast makes it seem like you’re really handling one heavy piece of machinery, instead of a little water pistol that magically hurts the enemies through telekinesis or some other non-visible means of damage.
Doom 3 also, really isn’t a sequel to either of the first Doom games either, which is something I was surprised to find out. Doom 3 is, really, just a “re-telling” of the original Doom game. Granted it’s a much prettier, much different version of Doom, but it’s still based on the original Doom game nonetheless.
Final Word: Doom 3 is a sure-fire hit on the PC; but can the Xbox version (which sports less polished visuals), even with the co-operative mode, compete with Halo 2? Only time will tell; but one thing is for sure, Doom 3 is going to be one freaky game.[/i]
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omg!!!1 realistic sounds!!
i was excited too the 1st time i got my soundblaster card in 1986
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OMG! Inside E3 D00M 3 Floor!
*faints*
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covers for both look like ass
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:laughing:
I d like to see more
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Alright - now let\'s see a watered-down version of HL2, for all the Xbox fans can get excited. You guy\'s have fun playing DOOM 3, without all the gorgeous graphics and at a nice steady 15fps - 20fps, while the rest of us either sit this one out or play it the way it\'s meant to be played... on a high powered PC....
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Alright - now let\'s see a watered-down version of HL2, for all the Xbox fans can get excited. You guy\'s have fun playing DOOM 3, without all the gorgeous graphics and at a nice steady 15fps - 20fps, while the rest of us either sit this one out or play it the way it\'s meant to be played... on a high powered PC....
odd, I can hear everything he\'s saying but I can\'t see him. Perhaps you could step down from that enormous soap box...I\'m sure that with the combined intellect of yourself and mm you\'ll figure out a way to get down;)
:p
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E3 2004: DOOM 3 Hands-On Vol. 2
Flashlights are for wussies. Now, pop a cap in some imps.
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/515/515485p1.html
May 13, 2004 - A couple of months ago, if you\'d told me I would play DOOM 3 and Halo 2 in the same E3, I\'d have called you a crack fiend. Now, while you may very well be an actual crack fiend, it seems that derogatory declaration would have been a bit foolish. See, I\'ve played both Halo 2 and DOOM 3 this week and it\'s going to be interesting to see how these two games end up faring when compared to each other down the next few months (and they will most certainly be compared). It\'s not really a fair comparison, though. Halo 2 is a true twitch shooter that focuses on heavy amounts of action, puts your nuts to the wall and never lets up. DOOM 3 is all about dark atmosphere and is really more of a first-person survival horror game than a straight-up action shooter, as people might expect. So forget Halo 2 for just a moment and focus on ALL CAPS 3.
Vicarious Visions, the cats bringing D3 to an Xbox near you, have done a wonderful job of translating the PC version into a fully-functional Xbox title. I still don\'t think D to the OOM is nearly as pretty on Xbox as it is on PC, but after finally playing it, I\'m pretty certain it\'s gonna rock. To be honest, a lot of editors, not just from IGN, were a little underwhelmed by the DOOM 3 demo given at Activision\'s Pre-E3 Editors\' Day. It looked a bit too slow, the AI a bit too simplistic. We were all hopeful that one in hand the game would truly come to life. It does.
The flashlight, which can\'t be used when wielding a gun, makes a lot more sense when you hop into the game. Everything is dark, with hardly any lighting. But there\'s sound. A lot of it. Enter a room and hear a zombie moaning in some pitch-black corner and your only choices are to fire blindly or point your flashlight into the darkness to get sight of the enemy. Once the flashlight shines on them, however, they become reactive and will come at you, so you need to quickly switch to a weapon (easy enough to do) and waste them.
There\'s definitely some Resident Evil-like shock moments where demons pop out of nowhere. Like one moment when a door slides open and an imp leaps at you. I had some sort of sixth sense for that thing though and shot it through the head with my shotgun as it leaped forward. There are plenty of things that go bump in the night, but the AI does seem pretty basic. That\'s not as much of a factor when playing a game that sends boatloads of creatures at you, but if the E3 demo is anything to judge by, DOOM 3 isn\'t going to be that kind of game. It\'s a bit more slow-paced, but still with plenty of action and shooting. Mood is king here and it works well, even if the AI could use a kick in the ass.
As expected, 3 has some pretty spiffy graphics, with plenty of interactive objects, fantastic lighting, and some fun enemies to waste. There\'s no slowdown in the demo whatsoever, but the true test will be co-op play. If the graphics can stay the same with another person playing with you online, well, that will be quite a feat.
DOOM 3 is cool. Maybe not Halo 2 "my unborn children are in awe" kind of cool, but cool nonetheless. The overall feel of the game, the great graphics and eerie sound, and the promise of much greater things in later levels have got me hyped for this game once again. Master Chief will be in good company this holiday.
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Originally posted by Ginko
odd, I can hear everything he\'s saying but I can\'t see him. Perhaps you could step down from that enormous soap box...I\'m sure that with the combined intellect of yourself and mm you\'ll figure out a way to get down;)
:p
Ginky, I love you, but how can you honestly be excited about a watered down version of DOOM 3? We all know the stellar graphics is what has got ID all the hype when it comes to the PC version, so why would I care about a version that doesn\'t have all those gorgeous textures / lighting effects/ etc?
I have no doubt the game will play great, but I cannot get excited about the Xbox version. While it may mark a good techincal achievement, somethings don\'t need to be bothered with and this is one of those. But then again, you are talking to someone who is building a $2,500 - $3,000 dollar computer just to play DOOM 3 / HL 2.
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You talk about the downgrade as though the Xbox to the PC version is what Dead or Alive is to Dead or Alive 3. And that simply is not the case.
The game has remained intact for the most part. Resolution seems to be the only major downgrade.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Ginky, I love you, but how can you honestly be excited about a watered down version of DOOM 3? We all know the stellar graphics is what has got ID all the hype when it comes to the PC version, so why would I care about a version that doesn\'t have all those gorgeous textures / lighting effects/ etc?
I have no doubt the game will play great, but I cannot get excited about the Xbox version. While it may mark a good techincal achievement, somethings don\'t need to be bothered with and this is one of those. But then again, you are talking to someone who is building a $2,500 - $3,000 dollar computer just to play DOOM 3 / HL 2.
luv ya too!
I\'m a broke college student. I believe that answers your question;)...
I\'ve had the chance to play the pc beta and I must say it\'s a damn good looking game. I did see the Doom III demo reel for Xbox and while you can tell it\'s taken a hit, it\'s not going to effect the game too much. The textures are still nice and the lighting looked great if not awesome. The enemies even looked good, though not up to their PC counterparts. Actually, the ONLY thing that concerns me at this point is the framerate. I hope they can get something solid.
Bottom line is that if I want Doom III then I have no choice but to be excited for the Xbox version.
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Originally posted by Ginko
luv ya too!
I\'m a broke college student. I believe that answers your question;)...
I\'ve had the chance to play the pc beta and I must say it\'s a damn good looking game. I did see the Doom III demo reel for Xbox and while you can tell it\'s taken a hit, it\'s not going to effect the game too much. The textures are still nice and the lighting looked great if not awesome. The enemies even looked good, though not up to their PC counterparts. Actually, the ONLY thing that concerns me at this point is the framerate. I hope they can get something solid.
Bottom line is that if I want Doom III then I have no choice but to be excited for the Xbox version.
Point taken.
(See, I can step down off that soapbox. )
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Not sure if this has been reported yet, don\'t feel like reading through the last 2 pages so here...
Following yesterday\'s revelation that Doom III would be playable co-operatively over Xbox Live, our sources at Activision\'s Californian press event have confirmed that there will be no split-screen options in Vicarious Visions\' forthcoming Xbox adaptation, and shed some light on other aspects of the presentation.
During a demonstration of the game by Id Software\'s Todd Hollenshead, it became apparent that while Xbox Live online options are certainly on the cards (both two-player co-operative and four-player deathmatch, in fact), split-screen offline modes are not, although graphically the game is "very, very faithful to the PC version" with no slowdown evident.
That said, nobody was actually allowed to play the game first hand, and there was no mention at all of any potential release date. Vicarious Visions CEO Karthik Bala has previously stated that development of the PC and Xbox versions of game is going on simultaneously at Id and Vicarious respectively, so we\'d expect the pair to launch fairly close to one another.
At the recent Game Developers Conference in San Jose, Id Software\'s John Carmack said Doom III was "really close" to shipping, although the developer has always said the game will only appear when it\'s ready. We hope to see more of the Xbox version of the game (and the PC version, absent from the Californian Activision event) at the Electronic Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles next month.
No split screen action...hmmm
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but I cannot get excited about the Xbox version
Ok for the last time, the XBOX version is not targeted for those that own a $500 GC, plus a 2.8ghz+ cpu or over 500MB ram. Believe me there is allot of people that do not own expensive pc\'s so when taken into consideration, you must realize that those buying the XBOX version will be blown away. Doom 3 for the XBOX looks amazing, I can\'t see any valid reason to bitch about it, cause if you have the PC specs, it\'s understood that the XBOX version is of no interest. That\'s like a Ferrari owner getting pissed that Ferrari starts manufacturing an dumb down version of there car for $60,000(different markets people)
One more thing, at least there is a console out there that is capable of giving gamers the opportunity to play games like doom 3. We all know PS2 could only dream of running a game like DOOM.
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and the PS2 came out how much earlier than xbox?
it\'s pathetic you even compare them
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it\'s pathetic you even compare them
Just like how you are comparing the XBOX to a modern pc hardware set-up for playing Doom 3; Hypocrite :p My point was that at least there is a console out there that is hardware capable of housing a game like DOOM 3. This isn\'t a ps2 vs. XBOX debate mm, all I am saying is you should be grateful that at least the XBOX will open a door to many budget gamers giving them the privilege to play DOOM 3, otherwise not possible for those lacking a nice PC set-up.
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to quote nvidia
"the way it was meant to be played"
in my opinion, screw budget gamers. go get a job
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in my opinion, screw budget gamers. go get a job
rather distasteful and unnecessary. I guess you\'ll do anything to get yourself out of a corner though.
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I won\'t insult "budget gamers", because at sometime in all our lives, we live off a budget, it\'s just how we divide that budget up and support our hobbies. I have never been what MM calls a "budget gamer", but I know not everyone can afford a $3500 dollar PC just so they can play two games and download pr0n. Hell, I have a decent paying job and it\'s still breaking me after I factor in my bills.
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only a damn fool would spend 3500$ on a PC, even 1500$ is a joke
i can build a monster rig for less than 1200$ including monitor
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Right now I\'m playing Far Cry on a video card I\'ve had for 3 years, at a resolution higher than the Xbox\'s native resolution.. but without FSAA. I\'m using Very Low settings for everything (as prescribed by the game itself) and it\'s running around (at the least) 30fps.
The textures in Doom III for Xbox don\'t look all that much better.
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don\'t make boasts you can\'t backup.
translation:
lets see the specs of a monster PC for $1200
including some reputable links to prices. (ie not the cheapes POS online store on pricewatch)
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The textures in Doom III for Xbox don\'t look all that much better.
Sure, sure why don\'t we wait for the PC version to come out before we make comparisons.
Right now I\'m playing Far Cry on a video card I\'ve had for 3 years, at a resolution higher than the Xbox\'s native resolution.. but without FSAA. I\'m using Very Low settings for everything (as prescribed by the game itself) and it\'s running around (at the least) 30fps.
Enough said-----^
PS. Good luck running Doom 3
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Originally posted by mm
only a damn fool would spend 3500$ on a PC, even 1500$ is a joke
i can build a monster rig for less than 1200$ including monitor
You want top of the line, you pay for top of the line. As always, it\'s you trying to dig yourself out of a corner...
You spend $350 for 1 gig of good RAM
You spend $ 400 for a decent CPU and if you want an extreme CPU , you spend upwards of $ 800.
You spend $500 on a top of the line VIDEO CARD
That\'s already more than $1,200. And you haven\'t got into a DVD-R / four large HD\'s / Motherboard / good Monitor.
I think what you meant to say is, you can build a decent rig for $1,200 with a crappy monitor.
:)
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I got my PC 5 months ago for under 800, and the specs are pretty good (damned good 5 months ago);
3000+ AMD Barton
512mb pc2700
15" lcd
Nvidia Gainward 5950
80gb 7200 rpm HD
DVD RW
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what motherboard, what ram, also 512mb is kind of cutting it, 5950(were you smoking crack when you bought that card)
Fx line was a disater.
15" lcd-(we all know it\'s a cheap ass low quality LCD) Ghosting, etc...
Heck a decent LCD costs $500
My point is, that for $800 don\'t expect high quality.
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350$ for gig of "good" ram?
wtf? you live in australia or something?
but i guess xbox fans are used to being ripped off
LCD\'s suck for gaming, CRT > all
and my time if far too precious to list specs. why in PC forum if dont know where to look and how?
3500$ PC
:laughing:
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Yeah man you can get a gig of PC3200 for like $150, that might be a little high too.
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I\'m still waiting on specs... and what you expect to pay - lets keep it simple:
CPU
Motherboard
Ram
Graphics Card
Hard Drive
Power Supply
Sound Card
Media Drive (1)
Monitor
Ok.. that\'s it..
I\'ll let you cheap out, and put in a POS case, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc... but the rest... I want to see some monster specs.
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I\'m bored:
AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-391&depa=0) - $179
Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe mobo (fully loaded) (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-478&depa=0http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-468&depa=0) - $113
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-268&depa=0) - $204
(2) Crucial 512mb PC3200 DDR (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-541&depa=0) - $212
Fortron 530w Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-104-968&depa=0) - $75
Seagate 160gb 7200rpm SATA Harddrive (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-018&depa=0) - $124
Lite-On DVD-RW (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-106-920&depa=0) - $70
Antec ATX case (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-117&depa=0) - $54
All that adds up to $35
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Like LIC said.. add a crappy monitor to that, cheap speakers/soundcard/mouse/keyboard and you\'ve built yourself a decent rig for around 1200 bucks.
Now upgrade to a monster rig - better CPU, GPU, Monitor, Case, Hdds, and peripherals, and you will easily double your costs.
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For the hell of it why don\'t you do what I did and post monster specs just to show us an example?
The "decent" rig should be great for running Doom 3.
*the soundcard is included with the motherboard btw. And don\'t try to say an outboard one will be better than the Soundstorm or Soully will get on your case :p
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AMD64 3200+
Asus ASUS K8V
1gb of Corsair or OCZ platinum ram
Goof Quality PSU
160gb HD
Media Drive
M-Audio Revolution 7.1 (creative labs is still crap)
Monsoon PM14 (speakers)
There is an example of a decent system spec
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the soundcard is included with the motherboard btw. And don\'t try to say an outboard one will be better than the Soundstorm or Soully will get on your case
First show me a AMD64 board that includes SS. For gaming the soundstrom is good, however for dvd and music playback the revo is of better sound quality. Better DAC\'s, better layout for cleaner sound, better quality componets used etc....
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$315 for Kingston HyperX 3700 DDR RAM - 1 gig of it. It has highly overclockable / and what not. You could go cheaper and get value RAM, but you\'d lose some of the function of the HyperX.
Here is my specs..
AMD Athlon 64 3400 - $ 414
Chaintech ZNF - 150 MOBO - $115
1 Gig Kingston Hyper X 3700 - $315.
Plextor 708A - $ 180
Antec SoHo File Server Case - $100
Antec 450 PSW - (can\'t remember what I paid for that)
Seagate 160 gig Serial ATA drive - $150
Another Seagate 160
ATI or Nvidia High Performance Card - $500
Floppy Drive - $9.
Creative Labs Soundblaster Audigy Plantium ZS - $200
------ Note, I left out my two other Western Digtial 250 gig SATA drives, CRT Monitor, 5.1 Speaker setup, Wireless Mouse / Keyboard and all prices are apprx, either way I remember paying for them or what I have got off Pricewatch / NewEgg.com . Granted, some of that stuff is overkill, but that is a "monster rig". Not bashing Omen\'s rig, but it is merely decent and it will most likely not play DOOM 3 / Far Cry/ HL2 at the highest settings.
but i guess xbox fans are used to being ripped off
I hate to say it - but think before you post. You should know I\'m not an Xbox fan and I\'ve supported your argument against DOOM 3, up and until the whole "budget gamers" comment.
I think some of you confused budget rigs, with expensive high performance rigs.
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Fair enough, a couple of examples of why I couldn\'t build a monster rig for 1200:
1) CPU - AMD Athlon 64 FX-53, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - OEM $733 (ouch), possibly I would save 40 bucks and go with the FX-51, but probably not. If I were willing to compromise somwhere between your gen and cutting edge, I might go
AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - OEM $404, but that\'s as low as I would be buying today.
2) Won\'t say anything about onboard sound, certainly nothing about an external soundcard.
3) Hard Drive... well, if I didn\'t go with a ramdrive for my OS drive, it would be a 37 gig raptor ($110) for the OS/cache and one or two of my most used applications. I would then have a separate RAID setup, consisting of at least 200 gigs - but most likely more.. after all, my current rig has a total of 320 now, 200 of that in RAID. So lets say two of the ($124) hard drives you bought.
4) GPU, gonna get a 256 meg card, to stay with your company, probably the 9800XT, OEM thats $400 bucks, but if we stayed with the 9800pro 256 meg version.. thats... $275.
5) Good monitor.. the monitor on my rig now was 1G CDN.. Samsung SyncMaster 192N... so we\'ll stay with that.....
6) Good accessories.. ie, current rig has the 4.1 THX approved Logitech Z-... somethings.. 580 was it? I would probably be getting the Z-680 ($265) were I buying today, but that\'s neither here nor there. Another $50-$80 bucks on a cordless optical rechargable mouse... (course, I already have one..)....
you get the idea.. right?
My definintion of monster rig is one (and of course, this will be different for different people) that runs todays most cutting edge software with EASE, and will still run things in a couple years, with minimal upgrading. I buy a MONSTER rig every 2.5 years.. ie, my now .... close to 2 year old rig still runs Farcry at 1280x1024 with good/high everything at good framerates. In another 9 months or so, I\'ll make this rig my bitch rig which goes in the corner to store stuff on, burn DVDs/CDs from, and just generally do nothing but run SETI.
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Antec 450 PSW - (can\'t remember what I paid for that)
I just want to add that ANTEC, VANTEC, and ENERMAX are nothing more than average PSU. Everyone thinks theses are the top dogs, but they are junk.
CPU - AMD Athlon 64 FX-53, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - OEM $733 (ouch), possibly I would save 40 bucks and go with the FX-51, but probably not. If I were willing to compromise somwhere between your gen and cutting edge,
Dude wait for the 939 newcastle, forget the overpriced FX-53 or 51. Trust me!!
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Don\'t worry. Like I said I\'m not buying today.. in 9 months.. and when I do, that\'ll involve a good month of research into what\'s out there, and what\'s coming shortly.
I do think that enermax makes good powersupplies. I got top of the line, and the monitors I\'ve got in my system have never showed any aberation from perfect that I\'ve seen. Course, I have a nice power-setup before I even get to my computer, but that\'s something else all together :p
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The system I posted is not a budget rig. A budget rig would be something like an older Celeron with 256mb of ram.
upgrading the parts for "monster" title that is only needed for gaming would be:
SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON X800 PRO (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-364&depa=0) - $445
AMD Athlon 64 3400+ (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-427&depa=0) - $404
All the extras you posted won\'t help for gaming. Didn\'t include the ram because we have to assume not even half of PC gamers overclock.
I got $1500 with the 2 new components. $3500 is crazy...
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Originally posted by THX
The system I posted is not a budget rig. A budget rig would be something like an older Celeron with 256mb of ram.
upgrading the parts for "monster" title that is only needed for gaming would be:
SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON X800 PRO (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-364&depa=0) - $445
AMD Athlon 64 3400+ (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-427&depa=0) - $404
All the extras you posted won\'t help for gaming. Didn\'t include the ram because we have to assume not even half of PC gamers overclock.
I got $1500 with the 2 new components. $3500 is crazy...
1) I overclock :D
2) You\'re missing the same-level peripherals
3) You\'re missing storage capacity, and BTW, having a small/fast/dedicated OS drive does improve game performance, and overall performance.
4) You\'re missing a monitor (about to break the 2k mark anyone?)
5) Extras I posted will help for gaming in the near future - I don\'t buy just for today I buy for tomorow.
Your budget rig is not a budget rig, it\'s a POS. If I knew anyone who was running a celeron today I would tell them to buy something else now. If I knew someone who bought a celeron new today?!? I might just have to beat them up.
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I do think that enermax makes good powersupplies.
There average, like ANTEC.
you want clean, raw power
#1 PC Power & Cooling > everything else
if you can\'t afford that, then I highly recommend FORTON PSU
If you are an overclocker, the better the PSU(more stable the rails) the better overclock you will get.
here take a look at your ANTEC/ENERMAX http://www.pcpowercooling.com/pdf/Turbo-Cool_510_vs.pdf
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Originally posted by NVIDIA256
There average, like ANTEC.
you want clean, raw power
#1 PC Power & Cooling > everything else
if you can\'t afford that, then I highly recommend FORTON PSU
If you are an overclocker, the better the PSU(more stable the rails) the better overclock you will get.
here take a look at your ANTEC/ENERMAX http://www.pcpowercooling.com/pdf/Turbo-Cool_510_vs.pdf
Like I said.. it may be my setup before I even get to the PS, but I took care setting it up, testing it when I got it... and my monitors have showed that it runs ROCK STEADY (expected variations) all the time, hot/cold, loaded/unloaded.
Never take a 1st party comparison for a gospel example.. look 3rd party.
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You can buy 2.8Ghz Celerons you goon. And many many people still go this route. They also OC em like a biatch.
Also small & fast when it comes to HDs is an oxymoron. The bigger it is the more density it sports meaning higher trasnfer rates at the same speed.
My 120gb Maxtor is faster than my 40gb Seagate, both 7200rpm.
But now the argument has gone to shit. More expensive peripherals won\'t help in gaming so I guess we\'re not talking Doom 3 anymore.
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Celerons, no matter their clock speed, run everything like shit. Especially games. You can call it opinion or bias, but that\'s the way I feel.
I\'m not talking a smaller drive of the same type, I\'m talking a smaller drive of a much better/faster type, and it\'s smaller cause I didin\'t want to throw a $200+ 70 gig raptor at you, that\'s all.
Peripherals are part of gaming.. especially FPS games.
If you\'re not a headphone user, good surround is a must, and good headphones are expensive too.
A high end mouse is a must - after all, some jackass with a 3 dollar ball mouse just won\'t have the responsiveness that I will (dirty, not as responsive to fast movement or fine movement, slower refreshing). And even my textured-made-for-optical mouse pad cost me some dough.
High end monitor? Yup, more resolution and detail helps in games.. and is kind of the whole point.... Your rig might play games at an amazing 1600x1280 max everything 100 fps, but if you\'re playing on a 15" POS, then who cares?
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This whole thing started because MM popped off and said he could build a "monster rig" for $1,200 and I think we have all figured out, that you cannot build a monster rig for $1,200... I have no doubts you can build a decent rig for that, but you are not goin\' to build a high performance rig that is ready to handle anything thrown at it. It simply is not going to happen.
Look at THX\'s - two components and he is already at the $800 dollar mark and that is just a CPU / Videocard.
And Fatal - one thing you failed to mention on your monster rig was that the FX series of CPU / motherboards required REGISTERED RAM, which raises the price even more.
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Ya.. tell me about it.. my current rig has rambus ram (same idea).... sure is nice one the one hand, but it cost me an arm and a leg. I wouldn\'t go that route again unless I had to.. well.. actually... I like my RDram :p
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Fatal if you test the rails on the Enermax when they are in intense use with a voltmeter you will see fluctuations of .5 -.10 with Enermax or ANTEC.
With the PC-Power and cooling no matter what you throw at that best, you cannot move it. There is no change from idle to load. Less than 1% variance has been recorded by myself(I used a Fluke), and every other reviewer that has tested them. Go look at any spec for a Dream PC from MAXIUM PC to any website building one. You will notice the PSU unit used in any Cream del la crop PC is a PC Power & Cooling "Turbo-Cool 510 ATX Deluxe"
Anyone in the PSU business knows the Old saying; the weight of a PSU generally is a tall tale sign of its quality.
Below is pics of what a real PSU should look like.
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcpowercooling.com%2Fproducts%2Freviews%2Fbig_bruin%2Fpcpower510-79-b.jpg&hash=5920ad792caa7efe70524600549cf71f69d01484)
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcpowercooling.com%2Fproducts%2Freviews%2Fbig_bruin%2Fpcpower510-81-b.jpg&hash=2c54572a2ce96971f86a9c002acfd7f7d258cb2a)
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a.. tell me about it.. my current rig has rambus ram (same idea)
My rig is using 1gb of pc1066 RDRAM ( I was given it for less than 70% of it\'s retail price, and even then it was still expensive)
Also RAMBUS XDR is going to be amazing fast(rise and fall on the octual clock). PS3 is going to use XDR.
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Same as my rig Nvidia256. ;)
While it does look like they use some heavy duty components... don\'t write of enermax (http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/cases/Enermax_EG475AX-VE_4.html) quite yet. Although that site did rate the Turbo Cool 510 an editor\'s choice, and it got 9.5/10 the enermax got 9/10 and "highly recommended" - and look at the results of their tests. Like I said.. I tested my PS, and it was ROCK STEADY.
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the enermax is not crap, however it is not of the same calibur of the PC&C.
the enermax is like a M5-BMW and while you guessed it, the PC&C is a Ferrari.
One more thing Fatal, PC&C is built in the USA, not some third world country mass slavery production line.
Also the rating system used for your enermax, ANTEC or VANTEC is fudged/inaccurate. You see the rating for example: 550W was measured while the PSU was at a temperature of 25c
Problem with that is typical PSU in a PC runs at 40c and if you overclock and have lots of components 45-50c. If you live in a hot country like down south USA your in for even more trouble.
So at 40c (average temp for PSU) your 550W unit is really only able to put out 366W, and we are not talking clean stable power(at least what I consider clean power)
Anyways the thing is for your next purchase stay away form the commercial units, and stick with FORTON and if you have money to burn PC&C. I\'m not trying to bash the mainstream companies, Heck I have a ANTEC True power 550 in my girldfreinds rig (which by the way she is a computer ****-up)
enermax got 9/10 and "highly recommended
That rating is based on performance/PRICE
if you had to do a head to head, the bar would be raised for the enermax therefore scoring lower.
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I don\'t have money to burn, but I find money to buy the best.. I\'ll look into it more.
The llink was merely to back up what I\'m telling you.. that from my personal testing of my PS, it\'s rock solid under load and regular temperature.
I guess I was just irritated by the fact that you said just want to add that ANTEC, VANTEC, and ENERMAX are nothing more than average PSU.
But now that you\'ve compared them to a very nice BMW, I\'m happy. :p
After all, the parts we choose for our rigs.. we all feel like our choice is representative of ourselves.. and we all defend them because nobody wants to hear negatives....
PS - From that site, the Antec didn\'t do nearly as well in the test (under powered, although not by a huge amount) as the Enermax or the P&C.
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Hey man I hear ya, I bought that ANTEC before I knew about the better stuff, Boy was I pissed. Keep in mind the PC&C cost $179us. For alot of people that is unacceptable for a psu, but if you want quality you pay for it, just like RAM, CPU , HDD etc...
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If you compare a computer to a person.. the PS is one of the two most vital parts.. and not something you should ever scrimp on.
MB/CPU - Brain
Powersupply - Heart
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Statistically speaking the #1 cause of computer malfunction/problems is related to a cheap crappy PSU. I believe Ram takes the #2 spot
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Nvidia, you may think that the 5950 is crap, but I have yet to play ANY game with full specs and have to worry about framerates. I know doom III is a beast, but I\'m happy with my card and the price I paid.
And the monitor was a very nice LCD, I switched to crt and installed the LCD on my boat.
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LCD\'s are nice to surf the web, read text etc...
When it comes to gaming they still don\'t messure up.
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I originally bought it because it was a great sale and was going to ebay it, but decided to transfer it to the boat and ended up buying a crt, and though I wish it were smaller (depth wise), it has a great resolution and refresh rate.
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thanks for wasting you\'re time LiC, mine is too precious.
in the 10 seconds that i feel like spending
Creative Labs Soundblaster Audigy Plantium ZS - $200 can be had for 100$
i paid 60$ for my audigy ZS
you must be one of the suckers that paid 3500$ for a PC