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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: videoholic on May 16, 2004, 05:23:54 AM
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What\'s the difference?
WHy is e so much more expensive?
If you were wiring a house today would you get the e?
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Cat5 = up to 100Mbps
Cat5e = up to 1Gbps
Cat5 is easily fast enough as no internet connection has reached anywhere near those speeds yet.
Check out this link for more info
http://www.derose.net/steve/guides/wiring/
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Yea, cat5e is used for Gigabit Ethernet (1000mbit). Atm its pretty useless unless u have all systems running on 1000mbit connections and you\'re doing a lot of lan parties. Cat5 is fast enough to do anything u could want atm.
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I run cat 5e. That way I have the option of running gigabit. If I were running cable for a new house. I would prob run cat 6. Having to re-wire your house 10 years from now would be a major pain.
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another question.
If I do build this house next to my parents, can I run a wire from their house to mine? Would be pretty cool to share their cable internet by taping into their router.
What distance can a line run? Do I need an amplifier or anything like that?
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Read that link!
Yes, yes you can unless it\'s further than 100 feet (which it shouldn\'t be, right?)
But... cable isn\'t made for outdoor weather, or to be buried, so you need to bury a conduit.
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Wow...i learned something new today and pretty much everday.
Again, from what I skimmed through from that link, I think Cat5 is good enough for a decade or more to go (10 years).
100 Mbits per second is great for now as there are still many internet users still using 56k modem (myself included). Even DSL is only about 384 Kbits per second or maybe 512 kbits...
either way, it will be a very long way before the mainstream consumers go broadband....
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Yeah, it will be more than 100 feet. Probably about 150 feet.
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Then you gotta go up to coax or better... I used to have that running at my parents.. a coax network was a bit more irritating to set up, but the cable is a little sturdier and easy to use... more expensive tho. Wireless won\'t go that far unless you can put the base station right inbetween your houses, and that will be stretching the limits of it, especially in bad weather. You could also put a hub half-way, and run your cabling from there, but if that\'s outside, you would need some sort of shelter for the router/modem, etc.
When I had a coax network, it was mixed, so, basically two networks, that were connected at one computer which had two NICs one RJ45 and one Coax. You could do something like that...
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100mbit/sec is still kinda slow when you get down to it. My home network is multimedia heavy and transferring big files still takes much longer than I\'d like.
Running Cat5 from 2nd floor network to the basement. Don\'t wanna fool with Wi-Fi until I get a laptop.
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almost all NICs are still 100 mbit/sec... so there\'s no real point installing faster UNLESS you are going to do a really good job, and plan to keep it for the future (it is more expensive afterall, and more sensitive to installation mistakes).
At 100 mbit/sec you\'re transfering over 700 megs a minute.. which should suffice for most home needs :p
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100 megabits = 12.5 megabytes
http://www.digitaldutch.com/unitconverter/index.htm
edit- ah see you wrote minute instead of seconds. A minute is too long to wait for data transmission in this instant gratification age ;)
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riiiiiiight...
and 12x60 is.....
720 megs/minute...
or over 700 megs a minute
I know my units :p
*EDIT* for your edit :p
a minute is too long to wait for data in this instant gratification age
Man... even a fast CD drive, say 52x max will read at average over the whole disk at about 40x... that\'s 6000 k/s - or roughly 6 megs a second.. which means it takes longer twice as long to copy an entire CD to your hard drive than it would take to get over your network. If you want to spend the money for real high speed... go ahead.. but it\'s really not worth the money/care it takes right now to actually hit speeds over 100mbits.
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Ethernet can go 100 meters without an amplifier
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Originally posted by FatalXception
Man... even a fast CD drive, say 52x max will read at average over the whole disk at about 40x... that\'s 6000 k/s - or roughly 6 megs a second.. which means it takes longer twice as long to copy an entire CD to your hard drive than it would take to get over your network. If you want to spend the money for real high speed... go ahead.. but it\'s really not worth the money/care it takes right now to actually hit speeds over 100mbits.
Good point, you know your stuff :D
I\'d like to tell myself I\'m overreacting, especially after reading that, but there\'s been many times I transferred huge ass files between computers and I had to sit there and wait for it to copy over. Just call me hard to please... I still think computers are still too damn slow. :p
Getting back on topic I run 100\' of Cat5 and don\'t need an amplifier.
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100mbit a sec is only theory (burst speeds).
It will never truly reach those limits in real world, just like ATA100 Hds etc...
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VCD MPEG-1 average movie runs at 1.5 Mbits per second.
DVD MPEG-2 runs about 7 Mbits average...max at 9.6 Mbits or so...
HD-DVD/Blu Ray runs at 36 Mbits per second....
Even those are compressed video,
so, 100 Mbits per second is more than enough. Even if it\'s only burst speed. Say even if it reach only half of it, its still pretty fast, enough to transfer hd video.
But if you use it to copy file computer to computer, then, it wouldn\'t be as fast as the computer hard disk drive.
But for internet purposes, it great as it is.
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OK, back to me damnit!!!!!
What do I need to do to connect our houses?
I am cheap and don\'t want to pay for cable internet.
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I\'d just go wireless between the two houses. Do you have a clear line of sight between where your house will be and your parent\'s house? You would probably need to upgrade your parents router to a wireless one, then setup your router as a client to theirs. It would probably also be best to run the antennas up to the peak of the roof or a chimney, where they can "see" each other with as little interference as possible.
I just setup a wireless home network (d-link 802.11b) and it works much better than I thought it would.
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If you got a clear line of sight you could easily set up a wireless network , the main thing being line of sight and nothing obstructing the view and even then, if you want you could put a booster on it and probably still get it. The only problem being that wireless still means you still need to deal with dropped signals / slower speeds / bursts / etc.
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If you\'d ask me Viddy I\'d just say screw wireless and run some Cat5 between houses. Cost is minimal so you\'d have nothing to lose if somewhere down the line it breaks.
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That\'s what I\'d probably do first anyway to try it out. I figure it would be a cheap way to get internet.
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Just make sure you read over your ToS for the \'net connection - because a lot of providers would frown upon the idea of you runnin\' cable to share the \'net connection in another house hold.
How far are we talkin\' in distance? Because both wireless and wired both have advantages and disadvantages. If you go wired, you have to figure out how much cable you need, a way to manage the cable, hide the cable and upkeep it. If you go wireless, you need a cerain distance, good line of fight and what not.
With all that said, if you do decide to go wired, I say go with \'E\' . Build for the future, Gigabit Ethernet is coming and you will need it eventually. But then again, I always say "build for the future", most people would say buy 1 gig of ram, I\'d say buy 2 gigs of Ram.
-shrugs-
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LIC is crazy...just kidding
(me runs and hide)
*psst...batman to superman*
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Or u can wait and not pay large amounts for the future. Then when the future is finally here, everything is cheaper and normally it\'s better in technology.
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^^^
true to that. Like HDTV, when it was first out in 1998, it was costing around $6,000 - $10,000 and up, and the hd tuner costing around $1,500 and over.
Now HDTV can be had for $2,200 with hd tuner more features, much higher resolution....like the new sony xbr960 that is coming out this summer/fall...which is better than last year but cheaper...
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Just make sure you read over your ToS for the \'net connection - because a lot of providers would frown upon the idea of you runnin\' cable to share the \'net connection in another house hold.
Well I certainly don\'t think they are going to want me to do it, but it would be cool to have our houses connected so I can fix crap on his computer quickly and easily. I figure if we are going to be connected, I may as well snag his bandwidth.
HD Sucks and no one should buy into it. It\'s going to fail miserably and if I was going to buy a tv today I would just buy a regular ole 4x3 box.
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it a nice move to buy 4 x 3 analog set today to last for 2 - 3 years, then move to HDTV, because the price tags for many hdtv are still a little expensive.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Well I certainly don\'t think they are going to want me to do it, but it would be cool to have our houses connected so I can fix crap on his computer quickly and easily.
Netmeeting is great for troubleshooting the parent\'s PC. I do that for my Father, and he lives in Phoenix, while I\'m in LA. We both have high speed connections, so it works fine. Should be even better over an ethernet connection.
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Paul!!!! Stop talking HDTV in every thread! :p Go find a good HT forum.
Cored- how does Netmeeting work? My uncle from Alabama is always calling me for tech support because he hates translating to the Indian guys at Dell.
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screw netmeeting
realvnc is the way to go and its free
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Screw both.
Pcanywhere.
:)
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Yeah whatever. :) Netmeeting is good enough for me. You can see their desktop and control it right? What more do you need?
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Video take it from me.... you can run it 150 feet you might get some slight degregation and droped packets but it wont be enough that you will notice I mean it seriously. I have seen it go farther that that scared the hell out of me and was even wire nutted in the center and still reached. There is a book way of doing something and then the way that us real people do it in the industry.
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Originally posted by Jar O Pickles
screw netmeeting
realvnc is the way to go and its free
oh and btw if you want VNC wich is by far the best of all listed above..... if you need a copy we still have one of the originols wich came with a client that ran on the local machine :-)