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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: mm on May 19, 2004, 03:44:35 AM
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/18/news_6098784.html
personally, i think any other NFL game out there is shite, so i really dont care
BUT, using microsoft tactics is never a good thing
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bleh, imagine Sony having exclusive rights to all the cars out there, meaning only GT3 would have real car names in it
this is dumb, even though I don\'t care much for sports games
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This kind of pisses me off, I dont like it at all. I feel ESPN was set to take the crown this year are next, but something like this will kill them.
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From Link:
Players, Inc. denies billion-dollar EA exclusivity deal
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Originally posted by PSX_J
I feel ESPN was set to take the crown this year or next
I doubt they will completely take the crown but they are poised to be a legitiamte competitor.
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^^^They deny *rumors* of the deal going on. Just like how Microsoft kept denying they weren\'t making a console.
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I doubt they will completely take the crown but they are poised to be a legitiamte competitor.
I was always a Madden fan before NFL2k/ESPN but you have to see this years vid of ESPN 2005. It is the most awesome true to life presentation I have seen on a football game. You trully feel like your watching an actuall game. That\'s why this kind of sucks, put\'s a damper on an otherwise awesome title.
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What a kick ass move by EA. Very bold. The business world is so freaking cut throat. I love it.
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Boycott EA. honestly, what a bunch of jerks.
EDIT: damn my blindless, it was a rumor like I thought it was. Buying out the NFLPA for one gaming company would destroy all competition, the worst possible thing that could happen to video games.
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Well ESPN can pony up if they want.
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Originally posted by square_marker
Boycott EA. honestly, what a bunch of jerks.
EDIT: damn my blindless, it was a rumor like I thought it was. Buying out the NFLPA for one gaming company would destroy all competition, the worst possible thing that could happen to video games.
How would names already make the game better???
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This has to be one of the dumbest things ive heard in a while. That is a cheap move EA. Let the talent put behind the game show its greatness. Taking all the names and putting "We have REAL player names" on the Madden boxes would just be twisted and retarded.
Not a fan of too many sports games but this is just stupid.
Since when has the console world been so... for the lack of a better word, corrupt?
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they (EA) are just worried about sega takin that crown this year..sheeit sega took that crown last year with 2004...all you madden heads just need to give espn a spin..i\'ve converted over to it & i\'m never goin back to madden...espn is superior to madden in every way..
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*cough* bullshit *cough*
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I\'m sorry, but it\'s my opinion that IF the console videogame industry comes to a crash, like way back in the early eighties, then it\'ll be (partly) becuz of EA. Heck, imho they single handedly killed off the F1 genre, by their crappy F1 games year after year.
They just take a \'franchise\', in whatever genre (movies, sports, lifestyle etc.), then buy all the official \'to-be-licensed\' content of it, and put it as huge marketing tags on their crappy to mediocre games.... which always just look ....\'just\' slick enough to get the mainstream consumers (ugh, what an ugly word) buy into it.
I had a discussion at work last week with one of commercial project acquisition guys ; he\'s about 31 but only just slightly interested in \'gaming\' and he had the chance to visit E3. He said he was quite impressed by the EA booth... Ugh, so I told him what I thought of them and he could only reply ; ..."but, they have all the great big Hollywood franchises !"
.... :O
As of now ; witness EA single handedly kill off the Bond franchise. They\'re about to friggin\' ruin the "GoldenEye" name ! :mad:
EA Big is.. maybe... just a bit better... but all in all, imho EA is since ages no sincere gamesdeveloper anymore to me. Imho they\'re just a buncha CEO suits playing the fancy publisher, ruining videogames.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
*cough* bullshit *cough*
^^^EA sheets biter!...
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"Everything or Nothing" was a good game.
EA Big makes some of the best sports games PERIOD.
EA Sports\' Madden and NCAA Football are both 5-star franchises.
Originally posted by Knotter8
I\'m sorry, but it\'s my opinion that IF the console videogame industry comes to a crash, like way back in the early eighties, then it\'ll be (partly) becuz of EA.
It won\'t and if, hypothetically speaking, it did occur it would not be the fault(even partially) of a 3rd party multi-platform developer.
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Originally posted by Black Samurai
"Everything or Nothing" was a good game.
EA Big makes some of the best sports games PERIOD.
EA Sports\' Madden and NCAA Football are both 5-star franchises.
It won\'t and if, hypothetically speaking, it did occur it would not be the fault(even partially) of a 3rd party multi-platform developer.
tru..no doubt..i never said ea was crap..BUT espn clearly plays more realistic than madden...
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^Of course it won\'t crash like back then. The videogames industry was in it\'s infancy in those years. The circumstances were different. But the main reason why it crashed is ; a saturated market with crappy to subpar games in which the gamer public had lost complete interest.
The point is : Other companies are of course also in the biz for profit, but \'guys\' like Konami, Ubisoft, Sony and Nintendo and such still have this sincere upright vision/soul/effort in their products. They create games with original content, thoughtfull original gameplay and custom made engines...... alot of EA\'s products feel like digitized interactive commercial adds to me.
Their F1 games are a complete disaster. Yes, the graphics look slick, especially in static screenshots and the official license crap is all in there with teams, drivers and everything.... but, then you play it and you notice you\'re playing a friggin\' slideshow, sucha horrible framerate and control.. ughhh
I\'m sorry if you happen to enjoy their sports games, but that\'s just my opinion on EA. This rant is also not aimed at the individual programmer nor artists who might work for one of EA\'s game studio\'s or talented studio they bought (hostile takeover ??? ) ; no, this is aimed at their management, their product business model and how all that imho negatively influences the videogame market as a whole.
Until they change, EA\'ll remain \'no-love-for-the-games\' business suits to me. Heck, even MS is more sincere with their XNA vision...
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but \'guys\' like Konami, Ubisoft, Sony and Nintendo and such still have this sincere upright vision/soul/effort in their products.
I love how you leave M$ out. You actually think SONY is any different, MY GOD man wake up.
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quoting my damnself ;
"Heck, even MS is more sincere with their XNA vision"
as for Sony ;
like I said, all companies are commercial yes, i acknowledge that, but at least the majority of Sony games are good quality and they offer room for originality of content with games like Ico and Mark of Kri etc.
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Alright let me throw this out there:
Battlefield 1942
Need For Speed
The Sims
Freedom Fighters
Fight Night
NBA Street
NFL Street
How many genres has EA created or set the benchmark in? You can\'t knock EA for having an excellent business model when every other company is trying to do the same thing.
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I understand what people are saying but EA does contribute a lot to the overpopulation of "casual gamers." I cant stand those boobs. They eat up garbage like its the creme de la creme of gaming, driving ingenuity down because in order to compete, people have to put out these "me - too" casual kinda games.
Dont get me wrong, and say im some EA, casual gaming hating freak. There are games that EA makes that i do enjoy. But people just suck up all kinds of things that people put out there. I mean there are games that will suck complete ass, and because it has a lot of violence, a kool name and good looking box art, people will buy it. Its nuts.
To make a list of comments gone rant short, Ill just say one more thing about the matter.
1) In almost all blockbusters i go to, out of all the launch games on ps2, they still have X-Squad.
Thats all that ill say
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Oh God. Now we are ragging on EA because they appeal to "Casual Gamers" Dude, you are graping man.
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Well.... try to understand the bigger picture Lord Nicon is pointing out ; the influence of EA\'s mass market \'casual gamer public\' business model is a like double edged sword.
It does indeed \'grow\' the industry as a whole, but it also waters it down with cut n paste game engines on which they \'paste\' slick license logo\'s of each succesive annual edition. Granted, their main leverage, EA Sports and EA Big are value for money...if you enjoy those kinda games. Unfortunately I\'m (like many others) very not interested in sports games, except for F1...and you know how they screwed that up.
I\'m not saying you can\'t have ANY fun with any random pick EA game, but imho their influence on the perception of the videogames industry, by casual gamers and outsiders (sceptics, parents, anti-videogame lobbies etc.) should not be underestimated as a not so positive thing.
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well i\'m only speaking from the standpoint of madden..yea madden is a solid title, but i like millions of others bought madden faithfully like a zombie no matter what..but after madden 2003, i got sick of the same rehashes year after year,.the super comeback mode of the computer in the 4th quarter, no matter what team the computer had..
granted all sports games rehash stuff to improve upon the forth coming year,..but espn imo made huge improvements last year..i absoutely loved nfl primetime,.. yea it\'s all cosmetic but those are the small details that make it that much more real...espn already had good gameplay so these small details improved the overall game greatly..
as far as other games are concerned i really enjoyed def jam vendetta & i\'m enjoying fight night..ea makes some soild titles it just seems they are a bit overrated..
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I was slightly tempted when I saw Bond EoN getting some pretty good previews. The screens and the short gameplay clips looked cool.
Enter the reviews ; it got pretty good scores, avereging about 85 out of 100 mostly. But there were also complaints and they where the typical things about why I don\'t like EA\'s way of handling the Bond franchise ;
- very short
- paced like an action movie, almost as if the player is forced to follow the movie script litterally.
- the inclusion of all kinds of gameplay cropped in there just too appeal to mainstream :
* driving | cut n paste NFS engine
* helicopter flight | ON RAILS ! :o
* only one decent executed stealth level
* uniform glossy visuals
So, while it all looks cool and slick with all the actors and stuff in it...I can\'t but shake the feeling that EA doesn\'t want to push the envelope. I acknowledge ; it\'s not crap or halfassed, but it\'s sooo damn stuck to this dreaded formulac/commercially way of making games... ugh...
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Now as much as we may agreen on certain points i will have to dissagree and say that EoN was a pretty good game. And if you like to play online then hey, more power to you. Perhaps you may not want to buy it but its definately a rental.
The graphics are pretty good, the driving is not that bad and there are some fairly innovative parts. As for the helicopter: Its not on rails at all. Theres a butt load of extras to unlock when you beat platinum challenges on oo agent and also some if you only get golds.
Im not entirely sure if this will ruin much but if its in order to convince you ill use it. Theres a part where you get to free fall and doge ledges while shooting enemies and rescuing a falling Shannon Elizabeth. If that doesnt sound neat then i dont know what does.
Last of all, there are a ton of vehicles that you get to use and a bunch of new gadgets. If you dont want to buy it cheap then i Highly suggest that you rent it at least.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
- very short
- paced like an action movie, almost as if the player is forced to follow the movie script litterally.
- the inclusion of all kinds of gameplay cropped in there just too appeal to mainstream :
* driving | cut n paste NFS engine
* helicopter flight | ON RAILS ! :o
* only one decent executed stealth level
* uniform glossy visuals
1) It was short but not too short
2) I\'m not following the paced like an action movie bit. The game certainly felt like you were playing a Bond movie. I can\'t, for the life of me, figure out why that is a bad thing.
3) Thats crazy. Adding varying gameplay to appeal to the casual gamer?!?! Lay down the pipe.
4) The driving levels were fun. They can cut-and-paste the Mario Kart engine for all I care. If the shit is fun WHO CARES?
5) There were only two(?) helicopter levels and they were not on rails.
6) Bond is not Sam Fisher. Why do you care about stealth levels in a Bond game for f*cks sake.
7) I don\'t even know what that means. The graphics were definately above average.
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Ok, ok ! I surrender ! :eek:
.....still a shame the good ol\' RareWare team has fallen apart, eh ? ;)
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^^^this is the part where nicon & black sam say "you silly fool resistance is futile!" :p
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Originally posted by Bozco
How would names already make the game better???
It wouldn\'t make Madden any better. If EA made a deal with the NFLPA, every other game on the market that wasn\'t made by EA wouldn\'t be able to license the pro atheles meaning that they could not make them look exactly like the real atheles nor would they have the names. Instead of playing with Brett Favre on the Packers, you would be playing with QB # 4.
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"you silly fool resistance is futile!" and all the borg said "you will be assimilated"
j/k:rolleyes:
In the words of agent smith "It is inevitable"
Ok im done
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Originally posted by square_marker
It wouldn\'t make Madden any better. If EA made a deal with the NFLPA, every other game on the market that wasn\'t made by EA wouldn\'t be able to license the pro atheles meaning that they could not make them look exactly like the real atheles nor would they have the names. Instead of playing with Brett Favre on the Packers, you would be playing with QB # 4.
I\'m failing to see how that would monopolize the football gaming.
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Because believe it or not a sports game will appeal to the teenage crowd because the players names are actually there. Adding that realistic quality the others dont have. This will influence sales alot.
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I disagree, Madden will sell more because it\'s got better gameplay, not the names.
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Madden always has held the upper edge... Where ESPN has focused on extras and add-ons, Madden enhances their game engine.
I\'ve heard the ESPN hype the last three years, and its always the same conclusion, Madden > ESPN.
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^^^those add-ons and extras are what make espn a more realistic experience..add to the fact espn\'s gameplay is more realistic and there you have it..after playin espn, madden players look like midgets...
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Originally posted by clips
^^^those add-ons and extras are what make espn a more realistic experience..add to the fact espn\'s gameplay is more realistic and there you have it..after playin espn, madden players look like midgets...
Ill have to agree that Madden always has small stocky players but its not bad by a long shot. Or so im told. I hate football games... well except for blitz :D
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Looks-wise Madden looks cartoony compared to ESPN. Look at both games side-to-side. I don\'t know anyone that has seen both running and says otherwise. Anyone that read my posts about ESPN last year knows that I liked it more than Madden but that doesn\'t mean Madden was bad. ESPN just felt like a more realistic game. Audibles based on formation, more plays, better control over defense, and realistic running just made it a great game. The only thing it could not compete with was Madden\'s dynasty mode which IMO is the best dynasty mode in sports.
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yea i agree...maddens dynasty mode was top notch..but that really doesn\'t appeal to me. all i ever play anyway is the franchise mode (season)..all the other stuff makin prices for hot dogs & such is just a waste of time imo and are themes you don\'t see in a football game...you DO see nfl primetime on tv you DO see cutscenes of the crowds on tv...it\'s just small touches like that & the play by play is incredible..ten times better than madden..those guys even joke around and go off topic from time to time....but statistically madden does things a little a better but it really doesn\'t matter to me...what i want is gameplay and to me imo espn has it locked...
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One thing is certain. When NFL preseason rolls around I will have NCAA, Madden, AND ESPN in my rotation.
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Originally posted by Bozco
I disagree, Madden will sell more because it\'s got better gameplay, not the names. [/QUOTE
That\'s not the point, yea it has great gameplay...but not having actuall players names will be a turnoff..while vise versa having them will be a turn on. You catch my drift? Stupid gamers are going to lean towards the game that has the actuall players names.
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just think back toward the 16 bit days..turbo graphx 16 had realsports football where genesis had madden..even tho at the time realsports football players where more realistic madden sold more because of the real players it had in it...i for one wouldn\'t wanna play a game with fictional characters...it just takes away from it a bit..tho i did play 10 yard fight when i had a commodore 128 :p
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Originally posted by PSX_J
That\'s not the point, yea it has great gameplay...but not having actuall players names will be a turnoff..while vise versa having them will be a turn on. You catch my drift? Stupid gamers are going to lean towards the game that has the actuall players names. [/B]
I wouldn\'t, but once you bring in the stupid gamer aspect I see where you\'re coming from.
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Originally posted by PSX_J
I was always a Madden fan before NFL2k/ESPN but you have to see this years vid of ESPN 2005. It is the most awesome true to life presentation I have seen on a football game. You trully feel like your watching an actuall game. That\'s why this kind of sucks, put\'s a damper on an otherwise awesome title.
They really should think about going one step further, and just showing you actual footage from the previous NFL season.
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oakridger.com%2Fimages%2F112601%2Fnfl.jpg&hash=65da89d5953787cb273ab69c542302b36fe2f513)
My God! The realism! How did they get that running on the PS2?!?!?!
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Madden is supposedly getting a graphics overhaul this year. I read up on it in PSM.
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Originally posted by Knotter8
I was slightly tempted when I saw Bond EoN getting some pretty good previews. The screens and the short gameplay clips looked cool.
Enter the reviews ; it got pretty good scores, avereging about 85 out of 100 mostly. But there were also complaints and they where the typical things about why I don\'t like EA\'s way of handling the Bond franchise ;
- very short
- paced like an action movie, almost as if the player is forced to follow the movie script litterally.
- the inclusion of all kinds of gameplay cropped in there just too appeal to mainstream :
* driving | cut n paste NFS engine
* helicopter flight | ON RAILS ! :o
* only one decent executed stealth level
* uniform glossy visuals
So, while it all looks cool and slick with all the actors and stuff in it...I can\'t but shake the feeling that EA doesn\'t want to push the envelope. I acknowledge ; it\'s not crap or halfassed, but it\'s sooo damn stuck to this dreaded formulac/commercially way of making games... ugh...
Haven\'t liked a single Bond game since Goldeneye :mad:
If fact that’s why I named myself ooseven because of my love for the Multiplayer Greatness.
IMO...if you want a Great Bond game...then get the Free Radical boys to do it!
Second Sight & timespliters= what a bond game should be...
Bloody EA...They had better not Fook Goldeneye 2 up or there WILL be HELL TO PAY :mad:.
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this is madden...
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this is espn...this is in response to swifs statement...
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if this happen I would be truly pissed. I cannot stand the madden franchise anymore. I think nfl2k/espn series was a much better overall game than madden. People just flock to the madden game for name sake.
EA is just not good a developer. Only game I enjoy is Nba streets series the rest are bullshit save madden which ppl still seem to flock even though it has so many problems that never get addressed with the series.
NBA STreets and madden are there best games. They put hardly no effort into nba live at all and it kills me. Live 04 had so many bugs I felt sadden as a huge nba fan.
NFL streets was an idea that seemed good that turned out to be a bad game.
They kill the 007 series with every new game.
As for there other titles I don\'t even bother with them. I did use to like fifa but have not visted the series is a while now.